Freeza hasnt even TRANSFORMED on Toonzai. They are STILL at episode 30 and Freeza transforms 10 episodes after that.
I do have to check the Goku vs Vegeta fight.
Freeza hasnt even TRANSFORMED on Toonzai. They are STILL at episode 30 and Freeza transforms 10 episodes after that.
I do have to check the Goku vs Vegeta fight.
I wonder if you guys were defending all of the much-hated 4kids One Piece edits when they were being done.
@Badass:
I wonder if you guys were defending all of the much-hated 4kids One Piece edits when they were being done.
waaaaaaaaaaaaaay to miss the points we've been making.
Good one man, good one.
@Badass:
I wonder if you guys were defending all of the much-hated 4kids One Piece edits when they were being done.
ARE YOU KIDDING!?
I hate the 4kids version of One Piece. They totally destroyed the show. And I dont have uncut dvd's where I live to make up for it.
BUT I do think 4Kids could redeem itself by airing a light cuts version of One Piece in Toonzai. Because Funi would be the one dubbing it. 4Kids just has to air it.
Because while it sometimes has ridiculous edits. Dragon Ball Z Kai is FAR, WAY far from being another butchery.
To reach One Piece levels of butchery it must:
-Replace all the BGM
-Merge Episodes Together
-Rearrange Scenes
-Cut Import Plot Scenes.
-Have TERRIBLE AND UNFITTING VOICES.
When it reaches THOSE levels of butchery you can call me out on it.
And Kaolino, That edits site is for the Nicktoons broadcast, which Toonzai is indeed based of, I admit. But then you should complain about Nicktoons too.
While the Nicktoons airing is a bit overdone with the edits, it at least doesn't have groaning dead Yamcha, glittery exploding Chaozu, sparkly exploding Nappa, kanji removal, blue Popo, silly balls instead of halos, glowing bullets, cutting Yajirobe picking his nose, censored Shenron and trash tier 4Kids actors ad-libbing awful lines and a dozen things more. It actually treats its child audience seriously.
Oh there's also the name changes like Spirit Blast and Gallic Blast.
Nick does have blue Popo though doesnt it?
None of those edits you've listed are that bad anyway…
Hell, if One Piece at worst gets that level of edits then goddamn sign me the hell up. If thats all its got to sink to to get that level of exposure then its fucking worth it.
Ok there you got me. I really do hope Nicktoons Picks One Piece up before Toonzai Does. But I still think they could do a nice job if given the chance.
Nicktoons doesnt get Blue Popo Sympathy…. But you live in the UK so its forgiveable.
Ok there you got me. I really do hope Nicktoons Picks One Piece up before Toonzai Does. But I still think they could do a nice job if given the chance.
Nicktoons doesnt get Blue Popo Sympathy…. But you live in the UK so its forgiveable.
I was sure it did because I heard about it aaaaaaaaaaages before the Toonzai one even broadcast.
Either way, never mind.
I'm not saying that Toonzai or nothing though, I'm saying Toonzai atleast. Exposure with the decent dub, original music and storyline intact is what's most important. It already isn't like the 4kids days so you could only gain from the braodcast.
I still don't get why people care about people not necessarily dieing or the halos in DBK anyway?
…it's not like death is handled the same way anyway, it's merely a set back for most characters.
Ok Toonzai at Least.
Thats all we are saying. Of Course we would love for it to be On Nicktoons with Marathons and Stuff!
@Badass:
I wonder if you guys were defending all of the much-hated 4kids One Piece edits when they were being done.
A better comparison would be Saban DBZ. Great voice acting, but edited to hell. Only difference is the music was altered.
"But the next dimension was just death in the end and the story wasn't altered. I could live with that."
Sigh… You guys seem to have a hard time understanding.
Where it goes is irrelevant. It just needs a spot on TV so the franchise has solid ground and a chance to grow in popularity. Now, if we can get it on a better channel. That's great! I'd prefer that (and no one say funi's channel, or i'll proceed to choke 'em). But we have to take what we can get at this point when it comes to this.
If you don't care, fine. That's where the uncut DVDs come in. But don't dare say "NO, not another 4Kids case!! I can't stand that!! That's a stupid idea!!" when in the grand scheme of things, it won't be.
I mean, seriously Sno-Cone. You're usually better than that, but that was a throughly stupid thing to say, I'm sorry. u_u
You know the dub wouldn't reach 4Kids Piece levels EVER simply because of the original music and better voice acting, coupled with the fact that no episodes will be merged. And even if it did, HELLO: Uncut DVDs! Problem solved. 4Kids Piece was a whole different situation. WHOLE DIFFERENT SITUATION.
This is why I get on anime fans... They don't THINK beyond the immediate circumstances.
I mean, seriously Sno-Cone. You're usually better than that, but that was a throughly stupid thing to say,
Who are you?
I'm sorry. u_u
Apology accepted.
You know the dub wouldn't reach 4Kids Piece levels EVER simply because of the original music and better voice acting, coupled with the fact that no episodes will be merged. And even if it did, HELLO: Uncut DVDs! Problem solved. 4Kids Piece was a whole different situation. WHOLE DIFFERENT SITUATION.
I've realized something. The fact that I'm arguing about something that isn't actually happening and just might happen is stupid.
Carry on.
This is why I get on anime fans… They don't THINK beyond the immediate circumstances.
Please don't become Smore/RomanMack 2.0.
While the Nicktoons airing is a bit overdone with the edits, it at least doesn't have groaning dead Yamcha, glittery exploding Chaozu, sparkly exploding Nappa, kanji removal, blue Popo, silly balls instead of halos, glowing bullets, cutting Yajirobe picking his nose, censored Shenron and trash tier 4Kids actors ad-libbing awful lines and a dozen things more. It actually treats its child audience seriously.
Oh there's also the name changes like Spirit Blast and Gallic Blast.
This.
@Badass:
I've realized something. The fact that I'm arguing about something that isn't actually happening and just might happen is stupid.
And this.
The way I see it if Nicktoons doesn't take One Piece, then Toonzai is pretty much a last resort.
This.
And this.
The way I see it if Nicktoons doesn't take One Piece, then Toonzai is pretty much a last resort.
but thats what we've always said in here.
Anyone whos all doom and gloom about the prospect of it being on Toonzai just cant see the benefits. It wouldn't be as bad as 4kids OP and thats the main thing. DBK's edits aren't even that bad.
"It wouldn't be as bad as 4Kids One Piece" isn't an argument.
Also, shut up romangod.
"It wouldn't be as bad as 4Kids One Piece" isn't an argument.
That argument just makes me wonder. So it's okay for it to be bad, just not 4kids-OnePiece-bad?
Exactly. You are basically saying that as long as it's not the worst of the worst, it's okay.
It's like saying Naruto is an acceptably good manga, because it's not as bad as Bleach.
For people that want it on Nicktoons, I found a Nicktoons Facebook page and it looks pretty legit:
So, I guess it wouldn't hurt to write on their Wall demanding "One Piece".
Exactly. You are basically saying that as long as it's not the worst of the worst, it's okay.
It's like saying Naruto is an acceptably good manga, because it's not as bad as Bleach.
Then that is a retarded argument.
I think that's only shows that are on Nicktoons to begin with. I don't think they can be assed to license a show just to broadcast it for a day.
I think that's only shows that are on Nicktoons to begin with. I don't think they can be assed to license a show just to broadcast it for a day.
They can be asked, doesn't mean they'll listen. Wouldn't hurt.
Exactly. You are basically saying that as long as it's not the worst of the worst, it's okay.
Your analogies are terrible but frankly yes, thats exactly it.
Edits are acceptable but not to the 4kids One Piece degree, which from looking at Toonzai's Kai, wouldn't happen anyway. No arc skipping, no combined episodes, music intact.
I believe we should focus on getting One Piece on multiple channels. Toonzai, Nicktoons, Disney XD are a few good ones. Instead of demanding it be aired on one channel, we can demand it to many different channels.
Eventually, one or more of them is bound to pick it up.
I believe we should focus on getting One Piece on multiple channels. Toonzai, Nicktoons, Disney XD are a few good ones. Instead of demanding it be aired on one channel, we can demand it to many different channels.
Eventually, one or more of them is bound to pick it up.
Again, that's what we've been saying all along. We're just saying that if it DOES end up on Toonzai, it wouldn't be the absolute worst thing ever.
I know that, I just didn't see anyone discussing about putting One Piece on more than one channel.
If you have a Facebook account, go to this discussion topic to recommend One Piece:
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=151243551570892&topic=328
Also, how bad are DisneyXD's edits compared to Toonzai's edits?
They arent bad but they promote Naruto very little, specially when compared to Nicktoons promotion of DBZKai.
They promoted Naruto a lot in the beginning, now they're running new episodes at a later time. I have a feeling Disney is afraid of the violence. Nick in general is very good at promoting their shows.
"It wouldn't be as bad as 4Kids One Piece" isn't an argument.
Also, shut up romangod.
It wouldn't be as bad as the 4Kids age BECAUSE there would be uncut DVDs.
So with those out, why in the name of FUCK would you guys even CARE if it ends up on Toonzai? That is what I'm trying to say, but you guys aren't getting that part.
And it's a key part, and totally makes it a different situation. The tv airing's only purpose would be to make sure the series has serious footing in America. That's it! Would I like to see it in a channel where it wouldnt be edited as much? Hell yeah. But I'd be fine with it going to Toonzai as well because, in the grand scheme of things, it's back on tv! And since we have the uncut DVDs this time… I really wouldn't give a shit what they do to the tv version.
It would definetly help out One Piece's popularity either way.
I just noticed but the Toonzai Broadcast credits the Original Japanese cast! Anyone knows if Nicktoons does the same?
@Badass:
I wonder if you guys were defending all of the much-hated 4kids One Piece edits when they were being done.
Some of us did, but some of us matured since 2008 :)
2008 was the year the Funi dub was taken from us…
Some of us did, but some of us matured since 2008 :)
Well, in that case:
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Enjoy, you epitome of maturity, you. :)
Ugh…..
Im gonna be sick....
And its STILL 2006/7
@Badass:
Well, in that case:
yTxzYwmpZ7Q
Enjoy, you epitome of maturity, you. :)
Ahh….And I thought that was good a few years back.
I don't hate the 4Kids dub. It is okay for what it is but I do hate what it has done for One Piece's rep within it the US.
Still I don't want that when it comes back on TV which it won't get if place on Toonzai.
@Badass:
Well, in that case:
yTxzYwmpZ7Q
Enjoy, you epitome of maturity, you. :)
I'm not seeing what you're getting at? Yes, I did get mad back in the 4kids area, but I have matured since then I don't like things like a couple of edits ruin a show for me. Yea, some (if not alot) of 4kids edits were bad, some in production reasons, others for narrative reasons.
That particular edit wasn't horrible, in the sense that if you were watching it for the first time without piror knowledge of the episode, you wouldn't have known it was edited. Nothing visually stood out of it, it wasn't like it was a badly drawn knife added in with a drastically line quality. No, it was done pretty tastefully.
Narratively it does damage some of the mood of the scene, but then again, its not like we all thought Usopp died there; AND he does appear again alive at the end of the episode/next episode preview. But what was needed to connect other plot points remain in tact, Both the Fishmen and Johnny and Yosaku think Usopp's dead.
Edits only bother (not put me in rage like some of you) when they're poorly done. When their noticeable. And while a lot of you will say their noticeable, its only because you're so intimate with the source material, AND watch the episode before.
These TV airings aren't for already made fans, they are for the new viewers (typically kids)! I do not see the point of getting worked up on potential edits of a show we've already got UNCUT and UNEDITED dvd's for. It makes anime fans look really sad, that's not my words either… that's pretty much what my Animation nerd friends said after I discuss the issue with them.
Anyways Snowcone, I don't want to drag this on to much. If you want to debate more, PM me.
I'm not seeing what you're getting at?
I made a comment regarding the 4kids dub of One Piece. You responded saying you've matured since then, implying that you've grown out of your distaste for 4kids. I then posted one of the first videos of the 4kids dub I could easily find, and told you to enjoy it. What isn't there to see?
Yes, I did get mad back in the 4kids area, but I have matured since then
I'm tempted to wonder if you'd be so mature, currently, if 4kids were still dubbing One Piece…
That particular edit wasn't horrible
Could they have made the fact that a "rubber knife" was being used any more obvious?
Nami: Usopp, give me your RUBBER KNIFE
Usopp: Huh? Okay, Nami. Here's my RUBBER KNIFE.
Nami: Now, I'm gonna stab you with your RUBBER KNIFE to make it look like I've killed you. So you won't ACTUALLY be dead, because it's your RUBBER Knife.
Usopp: It better be my RUBBER KNIFE.
Nami: Okay. Here goes! Remember- it's your RUBBER Knife!
That wasn't bad? The fact that they had to highlight it so often isn't proof enough that it was an edit? You wouldn't be able to realize that something was odd with the emphasis on the rubber knife thing, if you were watching it without prior knowledge?
Oh yeah. That edit was so tasteful.
These TV airings aren't for already made fans, they are for the new viewers (typically kids)! I do not see the point of getting worked up on potential edits of a show we've already got UNCUT and UNEDITED dvd's for.
The way the edited TV airings are represented have a direct effect on how well the series as a whole does.
For example: It's because the 4kids dub editted so much that One Piece has had a shaky reputation here in the west.
That's why people get worked up over it.
Anyways Snowcone, I don't want to drag this on to much. If you want to debate more, PM me.
I can understand not wanting to drag it out, but this isn't like it's off topic or anything, so I don't see the need to take it to PM.
I don't see why anybody would want to clog up their PM box arguing with someone, anyway. That would only end up making the matter personal. Which would be far worse than it not being personal.
Ohhhh!!!
You got TOLD Snocone!
….I'm sorry, What?
Are you 5?
We've previously mentioned maturity and you waltz in and say something as utterly stupid and pointless as this? Am I the only one seeing the irony here?
I'm almost positive Mr. Bolt doesn't need you to chime in with that comment.
Making a comment like the one you just did is almost begging for me to make a heated response (this response is much subdued, believe me). It's as if you're trying to start some kind of trouble. And for what reason? I suppose I wouldn't know.
But 4kids completely changed scenes entirely. In case u didnt know that whole rubber knife thing never happened. Its ok to have edits but they cant change the scenes, they should just edit out inapropriate stuff like blood.
@Badass:
I made a comment regarding the 4kids dub of One Piece. You responded saying you've matured since then, implying that you've grown out of your distaste for 4kids. I then posted one of the first videos of the 4kids dub I could easily find, and told you to enjoy it. What isn't there to see?
I'm tempted to wonder if you'd be so mature, currently, if 4kids were still dubbing One Piece…
Too be honest yea. After so long, you kind of get bored with being angry over something, especially if its not fixing anything. I would've defiantly lost some of the steam.
@Badass:
Could they have made the fact that a "rubber knife" was being used any more obvious?
Nami: Usopp, give me your RUBBER KNIFE
Usopp: Huh? Okay, Nami. Here's my RUBBER KNIFE.
Nami: Now, I'm gonna stab you with your RUBBER KNIFE to make it look like I've killed you. So you won't ACTUALLY be dead, because it's your RUBBER Knife.
Usopp: It better be my RUBBER KNIFE.
Nami: Okay. Here goes! Remember- it's your RUBBER Knife!That wasn't bad? The fact that they had to highlight it so often isn't proof enough that it was an edit? You wouldn't be able to realize that something was odd with the emphasis on the rubber knife thing, if you were watching it without prior knowledge?
Oh yeah. That edit was so tasteful.
Actually I re-watched the clip again to make sure I got this right, but the term RUBBER KNIFE is used 2 times. First with "Let me have your RUBBER KNIFE", and "Remember its your RUBBER KNIFE". The rest of the time its "the knifes".
I mention before, that the edit isn't bad visually. It was mostly a dialogue change. Again, I mention it destroys the mood, but doesn't alter the overall narration, which is my personal main concern.
The only thing that really threw me off was the line "I'll switch back the knifes while they're staring at the water!" But that's mostly I am a firm believer of "showing not telling" form of story telling.
@Badass:
The way the edited TV airings are represented have a direct effect on how well the series as a whole does.
For example: It's because the 4kids dub editted so much that One Piece has had a shaky reputation here in the west.
That's why people get worked up over it.
I do not believe because of the editing One Piece wasn't successful, I believe how they edited it effected the views of it. Which is why I keep saying, that One Piece would be perfectly fine on Toonzai because it would be FUNimation editing it, tastefully.
I don't think One Piece is less entertaining with out guns or blood. I don't think that makes that big of a difference.
Just so we all know what my main point was. I don't think we should get work up as we have in the past about edits. I think we should know that the hands One Piece are in currently, are very smart and capable hands. We're not going to see random edits if its on TV, we're going to see smart edits to fit the standards of either the FCC or the network it airs.
So if their is no blood, doesn't ruin anything at all. (And please don't bring up Luffy vs. Crocodile, we know they're ways around that.) As long as the audio is dramatic during fights, all the drama should remain intact if there is no blood. Same with guns, sexuality (cleavage, etc) and cursing.
But 4kids completely changed scenes entirely. In case u didnt know that whole rubber knife thing never happened. Its ok to have edits but they cant change the scenes, they should just edit out inapropriate stuff like blood.
Okay, you've got a limited amount of time, the FCC stated that you cannot have a knife penetrating a person on Tv, how would you edit that scene. Are you going to cut out something that important completely out?
Nami: Now I'll switch it out while they're all staring at the water.
XD
This topic has now hit rock bottom.
Too be honest yea. After so long, you kind of get bored with being angry over something, especially if its not fixing anything. I would've defiantly lost some of the steam.
Actually I re-watched the clip again to make sure I got this right, but the term RUBBER KNIFE is used 2 times. First with "Let me have your RUBBER KNIFE", and "Remember its your RUBBER KNIFE". The rest of the time its "the knifes".
I mention before, that the edit isn't bad visually. It was mostly a dialogue change. Again, I mention it destroys the mood, but doesn't alter the overall narration, which is my personal main concern.
The only thing that really threw me off was the line "I'll switch back the knifes while they're staring at the water!" But that's mostly I am a firm believer of "showing not telling" form of story telling.
I do not believe because of the editing One Piece wasn't successful, I believe how they edited it effected the views of it. Which is why I keep saying, that One Piece would be perfectly fine on Toonzai because it would be FUNimation editing it, tastefully.
I don't think One Piece is less entertaining with out guns or blood. I don't think that makes that big of a difference.
Just so we all know what my main point was. I don't think we should get work up as we have in the past about edits. I think we should know that the hands One Piece are in currently, are very smart and capable hands. We're not going to see random edits if its on TV, we're going to see smart edits to fit the standards of either the FCC or the network it airs.
So if their is no blood, doesn't ruin anything at all. (And please don't bring up Luffy vs. Crocodile, we know they're ways around that.) As long as the audio is dramatic during fights, all the drama should remain intact if there is no blood. Same with guns, sexuality (cleavage, etc) and cursing.
Okay, you've got a limited amount of time, the FCC stated that you cannot have a knife penetrating a person on Tv, how would you edit that scene. Are you going to cut out something that important completely out?
No silly dumbbut . They should have just NOT BOUGHT ONE PIECE!
I'm pretty sure the horrible voice acting, script and RIDICULOUS edits that only a 4Kids dub would have is what hurt One Piece's reputation here. Of course, that may have all been changed had uncut DVDs were available. But they weren't. Game changer. ;)
An edited for Toonzai version of FUNi's One Piece will never get to the point of ruining it's reputation. Solely for the solid script, decent voices and original music.
Too be honest yea. After so long, you kind of get bored with being angry over something, especially if its not fixing anything. I would've defiantly lost some of the steam.
Actually I re-watched the clip again to make sure I got this right, but the term RUBBER KNIFE is used 2 times. First with "Let me have your RUBBER KNIFE", and "Remember its your RUBBER KNIFE". The rest of the time its "the knifes".
I mention before, that the edit isn't bad visually. It was mostly a dialogue change. Again, I mention it destroys the mood, but doesn't alter the overall narration, which is my personal main concern.
The only thing that really threw me off was the line "I'll switch back the knifes while they're staring at the water!" But that's mostly I am a firm believer of "showing not telling" form of story telling.
I do not believe because of the editing One Piece wasn't successful, I believe how they edited it effected the views of it. Which is why I keep saying, that One Piece would be perfectly fine on Toonzai because it would be FUNimation editing it, tastefully.
I don't think One Piece is less entertaining with out guns or blood. I don't think that makes that big of a difference.
Just so we all know what my main point was. I don't think we should get work up as we have in the past about edits. I think we should know that the hands One Piece are in currently, are very smart and capable hands. We're not going to see random edits if its on TV, we're going to see smart edits to fit the standards of either the FCC or the network it airs.
So if their is no blood, doesn't ruin anything at all. (And please don't bring up Luffy vs. Crocodile, we know they're ways around that.) As long as the audio is dramatic during fights, all the drama should remain intact if there is no blood. Same with guns, sexuality (cleavage, etc) and cursing.
Okay, you've got a limited amount of time, the FCC stated that you cannot have a knife penetrating a person on Tv, how would you edit that scene. Are you going to cut out something that important completely out?
Sorry to backstab you like this but 4kids DID let Buggy Stab Zoro in the Early episodes.
And Im sorry Snocone. That "U GOT TOLD" was just Petty, sorry.
But I still think that the Funi Dub could do well on Toonzai.
^ Yeah, I do remember that… That was pretty odd. Although, now that I remember, they did leave in some stabbings...
Nami being stabbed by Miss Doublefinger (Or in their case, Miss New Years Eve) was left in.
And so was Mr.2 stabbing Sanji with his Swan shoes.
All without blood, of course.
Ok. Snocone was right on this one. The Scene could have been handled better. But the Above shows that 4Kids could have let the stabbing intact if they so desired, and will probably let Funi do whatever they want in Toonzai.
Ok Not all they want…. but a lot if given the chance.
Lets just hope for the best.
I like to note that I did not say anything about the bad audio aspect of 4kids' version, because the topic was editing.
But now that you mention it, it is odd that they allow stabbing one time, and not the other. So I don't know what's up with it now.
So here's a good question.
If One Piece does air on Toonzai, would Zoro be changed back to "Zolo" again? I mean I'm pretty sure there's no longer any reason for them to call him that.
And what about "Devil" fruits?
So here's a good question.
If One Piece does air on Toonzai, would Zoro be changed back to "Zolo" again? I mean I'm pretty sure there's no longer any reason for them to call him that.
And what about "Devil" fruits?
Hopefully, they could change it back to Zoro since it's been a while since One Piece has been on TV. Plus, it'd be on a different network. Devil fruits would have to go back to cursed fruits though. No getting around that one.