but if you put the feet on Buggys Backs
then he can fly
(like ID)
like the fuwa fuwa no mi (shiki),the main power is Not flight..but the user discevered a way to fly with that power
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When AP used to be good:
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but if you put the feet on Buggys Backs
then he can fly
(like ID)
like the fuwa fuwa no mi (shiki),the main power is Not flight..but the user discevered a way to fly with that powerBut, in a sense you are right that Shiki's DF isn't strictly flight, but it is levitation, but seemingly unlimited levitation unlike Buggy's.
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about the fuwa-fuwa: "levitation to non-living things" so he can only levited objects not hinself (of course he used the swords to make him able to fly)
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Again, true. But, he had the "Flying Pirate" nickname before his breakout (It's been a while since I've read Chapter 0), but then it was probably doing it to his clothes.
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Maybe Trafalgar Law´s DF
can make him separete his own body parts
(but that will be just like buggy DF)
for me
the 5 Flight power DF are
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2)marco
3)lafitte
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@Kokutou:
Isn't that Luffy's DF :ninja:
Not even close, Luffy's fruit has nothing to do with monkeys.
I thought Kizaru was always drunk 
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Not even close, Luffy's fruit has nothing to do with monkeys.
:blink:I know I was just joking. But Oda has said before that the type of animal Luffy resembles is a Monkey.
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@Kokutou:
:blink:I know I was just joking. But Oda has said before that the type of animal Luffy resembles is a Monkey.
Indeed, didn't he also say that Sanji most resembles a Duck? :ninja:
I thought Kizaru was always drunk 
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Indeed, didn't he also say that Sanji most resembles a Duck? :ninja:
Yes. Oda also said that Chopper mostly resembles a Reindeer but I just don't see the resemblance.:ninja:
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An anteater fruit would be cool and different.
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I just thought of this, I know it can't exist, but what if there were a Haki DF :ninja:
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What does not being able to swim and drinking water got to do with eachother?
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@Rubber:
I just thought of this, I know it can't exist, but what if there were a Haki DF :ninja:
I guess the darkness darkness fruit sorta counts. It can negate/penetrate other powers so thats sort of like CoA, and if I was about to be crushed by gravity, I would probably start hearing voices and pass out from intimidation, so I guess thats the other 2 covered as well
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Kinda random, but I think it would be somewhat awesome to have a kind of Paramecia DF that gave you the ability to steal the abilities/powers of others.
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hmmm…
a dragon mythical zoan.
a wind logia
an illusion generating paramecia
bone based paramecia
would love to see these in usage
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hmmm…
a dragon mythical zoan.
a wind logia
an illusion generating paramecia
bone based paramecia
would love to see these in usageDoesn't Dragon have wind logia?
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Doesn't Dragon have wind logia?
Possibly? In Loguetown he said "gust" and there was one, but whether that was him or just a prediction, who knows? Don't forget there was a huge storm coming, the wind might have been that, or maybe his DF controls weather…once again, we don't know.
an illusion generating paramecia
When Nami fought Ms #1, whatever her name was, when first using cold air to generate illusions her opponent wasn't surprised that it was an illusion, but rather "she made an illusion in this small space". I assume that refers to space of time, rather than enclosed space. From that it would be reasonable to assume there might be some other ability, DF or not, that can create illusions.
bone based paramecia
This was in Naruto, so no.
a dragon mythical zoan.
Maybe this is what Dragon ate? Though it'd depend which type of dragon you go with. It can almost certainly fly, but does it breathe fire? How big? Though its not actually mythical, since we know dragons exist in OP, though maybe not currently.
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Possibly? In Loguetown he said "gust" and there was one, but whether that was him or just a prediction, who knows? Don't forget there was a huge storm coming, the wind might have been that, or maybe his DF controls weather…once again, we don't know.
Maybe this is what Dragon ate? Though it'd depend which type of dragon you go with. It can almost certainly fly, but does it breathe fire? How big? Though its not actually mythical, since we know dragons exist in OP, though maybe not currently.
Yeah, that's what I'm going off of, and if he was a wind logia, he would control wind pressure and cycles thus creating storms present in the times he appears. A mythical Dragon zoan doesn't seem to fit his character as a revolutionary in working in the background, but that's my opinion.
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In my mind I like to separate a theoretical air/wind logia with a paramecia fruit capable of altering weather patterns because having one fruit capable of doing both would be ridiculous. Weather patters are so huge, with so many moving parts in such a delicate balance, spread across such a huge area, that being a logia on top of that would just be overkill.
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wind is kinda the most responsible factor for weather change, isnt it? kinda weird to think wind logia would not be able to control at least some aspects of the weather like hurricanes and storms.And be limited to just cutting attacks or some such farce.
This was in Naruto, so no.
I fail to see your reason here really.Rubber(in essence stretching ability) was in fantastic four. Plastic man had it too. look how BRILLIANTLY oda treated that.
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wind is kinda the most responsible factor for weather change, isnt it? kinda weird to think wind logia would not be able to control at least some aspects of the weather like hurricanes and storms.And be limited to just cutting attacks or some such farce.
Because weather patterns span dozens to hundreds of miles, we haven't seen any df with the ability to effect things on that scale, either by volume or distance from the user. WB came close, but he wasn't making quakes far away, only the tidal waves that came after.
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[Because weather patterns span dozens to hundreds of miles, we haven't seen any df with the ability to effect things on that scale, either by volume or distance from the user. [/QUOTE]
he wouldn't even need to control patterns hundreds of miles away.Wind pressure in a specific area of the logian/paramecia user alone would help in changing the weather for miles around the area.
he just has to change the pressure from low to high or vice versa for controlling the amount of wind rushing in or out right?i think storms are created that way only.WB came close, but he wasn't making quakes far away, only the tidal waves that came after.
iirc , wasnt there an aftershock of a quake felt somewhere off in some remote island at some remote place when the tsunami struck?or was the quake at shabondy? still would be plenty of distance between them really.
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I don't care who disagrees, but Sengoku has to be a logia.
There is no paramecia transformation to date that is as obscure and dead as his is.
The only transformation that comes comes close is Hawkins', but he in truth is comparable Gecko Moria in the since that he has a base power and his ultimate maneuver is becoming a living representation of that power by absorption. Sengoku on the other hand reminds me of Enel's transformation. My guess is that he's some sort of liquid metal or ivory logia.Don't now if that's an accurate analysis but its the best I could come up with.
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Personally, I don't think Sengoku has a DF at all.
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@Superbear:
It can't be Life return.
Why not exactly?
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Why not exactly?
Because if it was something we've seen already why would he be constantly silhouetted? Also Life return users don't usually get that big and and start shooting off shock waves.
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@Superbear:
Because if was something we've seen ready why would be constantly be silhouetted? Also Life return users don't usually get that big and and start shooting off shock waves.
**Same reason the Pacifista were silhouetted two chapters ago despite looking the exact same?
How do you know how big Life Return users usually get? We only saw two, and for all we know they were novices/Sengoku's Life Return is just that advanced.
As for the shock waves, they can easily be some sort of Rokugan or perhaps Haki.**
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Sure that's all possible, but the simplest explanation at the moment is that it's some kind of DF. Simplest often meaning likeliest.
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**Same reason the Pacifista were silhouetted two chapters ago despite looking the exact same?
How do you know how big Life Return users usually get? We only saw two, and for all we know they were novices/Sengoku's Life Return is just that advanced.
As for the shock waves, they can easily be some sort of Rokugan or perhaps Haki.**
That was for suspense. Color of armaments is used to block and defend against devil fruit user and their attacks, the closest thing to a shock wave ever shown was when the Admirals held their palms out to block white beard's quake, which is similar to sentomaru's open palm thrust. You may have something wit the Rokugan, but it usually preformed with two closed fist pressing together and thrusting quickly at a point, Sengoku just looked like he shot a ki blast out of his single fist.
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That CP9 guy was able to control his hair so who knows. And Sengoku's clothes don't change.
@Dan:
Sure that's all possible, but the simplest explanation at the moment is that it's some kind of DF. Simplest often meaning likeliest.
True enough, but the idea of it being a DF just doesn't appeal to me.
@Superbear:
That was for suspense. Color of armaments is used to block and defend against devil fruit user and their attacks, the closest thing to a shock wave ever shown was when the Admirals held their palms out to block white beard's quake, which is similar to sentomaru's open palm thrust. You may have something wit the Rokugan.
It was for effect, no reason Oda couldn't have done so to Sengoku for the same reason. Besides, I don't even think he was silhouetted the entire time.
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How the hell does Life Return change his hairstyle and clothing.
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True enough, but the idea of it being a DF just doesn't appeal to me.
It was for effect, no reason Oda couldn't have done so to Sengoku for the same reason. Besides, I don't even think he was silhouetted the entire time.
Every picture I've of Sengoku in "Buddha mode" is either shaded weirdly or silhouetted. And my bad the ki blast thing was done with a open palm which, makes the move more bizarre.
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The Kumas are silhouetted for like one panel then revealed, while "Buddha mode" Sengoku is shaded and silhouetted for the entire falling action of the Marinford arc.
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@Superbear:
Every picture I've of Sengoku in "Buddha mode" is either shaded weirdly or silhouetted. And my bad the ki blast thing was done with a open palm which, makes the move more bizarre.
Seems you are correct. Still doesn't mean it can't be some form of Life Return.
@Cyan:
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! He looses his shirt and he gets some robe like thing around his waist.That robe like thing is his shirt.
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How did his shirt just roll down perfect like that.
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@Cyan:
How did his shirt just roll down perfect like that.
By taking it off?
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Why would he go to the trouble of wrapping it around his waist instead of the sensible thing and throwing it away.
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Seems you are correct. Still doesn't mean it can't be some form of Life Return.
That robe like thing is his shirt.
Out of all the ridiculous size and form alterations in One piece, hardly anyone ever disrobes. Example,Monster chopper, Urouge, Moria, Luffy, Lucci, every zoan ever etc. The only time anyone experiences a costume change upon a significant transformation, as far as I can remember is when Enel goes god state;it sounds silly but there has to be something that makes him different.
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Urouge does disrobe.
@Cyan:
Why would he go to the trouble of wrapping it around his waist instead of the sensible thing and throwing it away.
Because he didn't want to lose it? Imagine having to take your shirt off and throw it away every time you got in a fight. A shirt with some no doubt very valuable medals on it no less.
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I thought Urouge's clothes just rip.
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@Cyan:
Why would he go to the trouble of wrapping it around his waist instead of the sensible thing and throwing it away.
Because Polygon wants this to be a Life-Return technique
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Urouge does disrobe.
Because he didn't want to lose it? Imagine having to take your shirt off and throw it away every time you got in a fight. A shirt with some no doubt very valuable medals on it no less.
The thought of Sengoku taking the time to take his shirt off and either a)throw it away or b) wrap it around his waist-while Luffy is trying to unlock Ace's hancuffs-is hilarious to me.
Was there a split second hesitation? or did he immediately know that he had to take his shirt off?
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Because he didn't want to lose it? Imagine having to take your shirt off and throw it away every time you got in a fight. A shirt with some no doubt very valuable medals on it no less.
And yet he makes no effort to put it back on after the war.
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@Mr.:
The thought of Sengoku taking the time to take his shirt off and either a)throw it away or b) wrap it around his waist-while Luffy is trying to unlock Ace's hancuffs-is hilarious to me.
Was there a split second hesitation? or did he immediately know that he had to take his shirt off?
Or he just did it really fast. It's not that hard, especially considering he should be capable of moving at hypersonic speeds.
@Superbear:
And yet he makes no effort to put it back on after the war.
**Why does that matter?
Are you guys actually trying to tell me Sengoku grows a robe out of his ass when he transforms?**
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God all of you guys are hilarious. You're seriously arguing about Sengoku's wardrobe.
When I die I want to get shot out of a cannon. Scare the hell out of someone.
