Maybe she made him a new vest with some kind of ''manly'' design on it instead of flowers, like a Chinese dragon (fitting, in more ways than one) or something, and others see it as gaudy, especially for Luffy. Though, that might be too much of a hassle to draw all the time.
Chapter 593: "News" Discussion
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I was a bit confused by what Vivi stated in this chapter;
"Nnnn… Stylish? Nah, I guess not. But it's Luffy-san!"
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/66085019/17I'm not gonna start making wild speculations here, but… the heck did she mean by that? Is Luffy looking/wearing something abnormal in the newspaper article? I didn't really catch that.
You didn't miss anything–it's meant to be vague and confusing. It was one of Oda's most intriguing little plants this week--the whole board's been worrying that little statement from Vivi like a dog with a new bone since the chapter came out. Can't wait for the spoilers this week, lol.
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I think you got Luffy's outfit confused with Dofla's new Moria-skinned outfit.
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one thing: I never said that. I said that I have a theory that he might be offered the position. Nowhere did I say it would happen next chapter or the one after that.
iam aware of the fact that it was ALL a suggestion of yours^^:happy:
but non the less you said it would be possible that this event could happen, so i thought i could talk about it without nailing you on that one suggestions(from many) of yours.ehhm, that was then. This is now. Things may have changed. We know Luffy and his friends intrigued Enel about the goings-on down below. He may have changed his mind and the world government may have noticed him.
To what was he intrigued?
that luffy said that down on the blue seas he would be a nothing^^
Enels goal was still to reach vearth…he never showed any interests in conquering the blue seas, cause as a god his goal is the heaven(in his case vearth) **(FROM CHAPTER 280.stephen
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Luffy: THE KING OF THE GREATEST SEA IN THE WORLD!!!!
Ener: Splendid...
Let's settle this, then... here in the sky!!!you could argue about the fact that he never heard of becoming PK before but to me Enel never showed any interest to the blue seas..he always claimed himself as a God and wanted to be alone in the sky( thats why he destroyed angle beach etc)
so i guess it wouldn`t make much sense for him to try his luck in the blue seas..in my opinion just not his style and goal at all.That the WG noticed him…mhhh why now out of nowhere?
they should have noticed him when he took control at skypia when they have any connections to the white seas.
now that he flew to the moon they should have finally noticed this strong guy?
1. i dont think they have much contact to the moon..and even if (via Vegapunk) i guess they don
t send so many guys to it.
2. why would they even think he is on the moon?
they wont know of Maxim and also Luffy wouldn
t know hes up there 3.wouldn
t oda put some hints so far in the coverstory orso that he would use Enel as a shichibukai...i think we can assume that oda is such a master of his whole story that he would have given us some clues...(and in my opinion he did that more in the direction that the moon people will have a role in the lost century orso)so as your only point why you suggest that Enel "could" become a shichibukai is that you think because of his DF power he would be strong enough and that we also saw other villains reappear and you would like that with Enel or not?
on another note: i wouldn
t even know a offer they could give Enel to work for them. i mean he
s a god..he wouldn`t take orders, money etc.Sincerely disagree. I don't think any character "belongs" to any other, but if you're talking about who is most likely to fight him, that would be Luffy. Luffy knows Kuma as the guy who totally defeated him and separated his crew. Just because Zoro has met him once before doesn't mean he will be the one to fight him.
yup , we are talking about who is most likely the one who will fight Kuma.
also Kizaru and Sentamarou Luffy remembers as the guys who completely defeated him and without Kuma they would have all died.
But why i think Zoro will more likely be his opponent.
1. he has notived that the crew fighted not the real Kuma…having such "connection" to his villain could mean something
2. Kuma noticed that Zoro survived his attack at TB..means he sure has respect for this guy
3. Luffy has with other shichibukais and admirals enough guys who would be harder to fight and in my opinion also Zoro should be in the end able to fight a shichibukai(besides Mihawk)
for that Kuma seems to be fitting
4. also what you brought up as a point for luffy (defeating and seperating the crew) does work for Zoro^^so i don
t say Luffy wouldn
t fight him the second he sees Kuma..but i think Oda makes this "connections" between Kuma and Zoro out of a reason..because it will be a top tier fighter who will be Zoro`s match.
just my opinion but the facts points a little more to Zoro than to Luffy.(and thats all what we should let count on a suggestion)And as I said before, it's easy to pick apart the things from other people's predictions; it's a lot harder to come up with your own.
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t get me wrong..your suggestion to what Luffy
s action in the newspaper could be in this chapter was rly great.
but still when you post some suggestions i believe you will talk a bit about them.
i picked those points out of it, i couldnt agree with(the rest seemed to be cool, and "possible" in my eyes) and so i posted a few thoughts of mine to that subject. i don
t have to agree with them and when that is the point i post what i think about it.
that can be discussed with some arguements and maybe i see than more clear and change my opinion or maybe you (or non of us).
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5 bucks says Luffy is wearing frills again.
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Ordinarily I would be annoyed at your impatience, but this is WAY TOO BIG OF A CLIFFHANGER for me =.="
It's not like I think there should be spoilers already (sure, we still have nearly a day before their regular arrival), but I reeeeally want to know what the hell luffy did. If we get one more chapter of this same cliffhanger, I will track Oda down in my 3 more days of being in Japan just to make him tell me XD
LoL this cliff hanger is huge. It's quickly making moving me past the war and ready to move forward and continue to journey to find OP. God I can't wait till the crew gets reunited.
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It was implied in Ch. 591 that Rayleigh told Luffy that Kuma was a revolutionary leader that was really trying to save the Strawhats.
No it wasn't. That was Rayleigh looking back on what happened. He didn't tell anyone else (that we know of) that Kuma actually was trying to help Luffy and that he worked as a revolutionary.
I think the only way Luffy will fight the real Kuma now is if Kuma is still mind-wiped when they meet again.
"Mind wiped"? What do you mean? Wasn't it stated in the manga that Kuma had been "altered," not "mind wiped"? The assumption is that he still is in this altered state, if I read the manga correctly.
@Don:
iam aware of the fact that it was ALL a suggestion of yours^^:happy:
but non the less you said it would be possible that this event could happen, so i thought i could talk about it without nailing you on that one suggestions(from many) of yours.Yeah, I did say it was possible, but that's not something that can be argued with. Almost anything is possible in this manga. It's just an idea.
@Don:
To what was he intrigued?
that luffy said that down on the blue seas he would be a nothing^^
Enels goal was still to reach vearth…he never showed any interests in conquering the blue seas, cause as a god his goal is the heaven(in his case vearth) **(FROM CHAPTER 280.stephen
s script)**Doesn't matter. He hadn't heard of it, so of course he didn't show any interest. Like I said, things may have changed.
@Don:
you could argue about the fact that he never heard of becoming PK before but to me Enel never showed any interest to the blue seas..he always claimed himself as a God and wanted to be alone in the sky( thats why he destroyed angle beach etc)
so i guess it wouldn`t make much sense for him to try his luck in the blue seas..in my opinion just not his style and goal at all.Style and goals are things that can evolve with time. I'm sure Enel wasn't born as a baby wanting to become the God of sky island….He decided he wanted to once he heard about it etc. Same can be said of this.
@Don:
That the WG noticed him…mhhh why now out of nowhere?
It's not necessarily out of nowhere. They could have been keeping track of him the entire time and now decided to act when a spot opened up.
@Don:
they should have noticed him when he took control at skypia when they have any connections to the white seas.
now that he flew to the moon they should have finally noticed this strong guy?
1. i dont think they have much contact to the moon..and even if (via Vegapunk) i guess they don
t send so many guys to it.
2. why would they even think he is on the moon?
they wont know of Maxim and also Luffy wouldn
t know he`s up thereWe don't know that the world government doesn't know about him. They might. It's also possible that he came down to the blue seas and made himself known as a new pirate. There's no evidence that Enel flew to the moon.
@Don:
3.wouldn`t oda put some hints so far in the coverstory orso that he would use Enel as a shichibukai…i think we can assume that oda is such a master of his whole story that he would have given us some clues...(and in my opinion he did that more in the direction that the moon people will have a role in the lost century orso)
That's not necessarily accurate. Oda surprises us all the time. That's a big part of his master storytelling. Besides, there's still time to give evidence, if he decided he wanted to.
@Don:
so as your only point why you suggest that Enel "could" become a shichibukai is that you think because of his DF power he would be strong enough and that we also saw other villains reappear and you would like that with Enel or not?
No. I don't have a point. This is exactly what I'm talking about. All I said is that this is something Oda could potentially do – as he has been known to use old characters -- and I would like it. Nothing more.
@Don:
on another note: i wouldn
t even know a offer they could give Enel to work for them. i mean he
s a god..he wouldn`t take orders, money etc.Do you read Naruto? Reread the whole Pain v. Jiraiya fight and then contemplate how he took orders from Tobi. Besides, I doubt someone like Mihawk (or Enel) would agree that their jobs are about "taking orders." Enel would take it if he thought it would further whatever ambitions he now holds. We clearly see Mihawk and other shichibukai disregarding the government and even disobeying them directly….
@Don:
yup , we are talking about who is most likely the one who will fight Kuma.
also Kizaru and Sentamarou Luffy remembers as the guys who completely defeated him and without Kuma they would have all died.
Except Kizaru wasn't the one who defeated Luffy or his crew; that was Kuma. if you read the SA arc, you see Kuma sending the strawhats away (but Luffy doesn't know that at the time), and Luffy is struggling to fight Kuma and save his comrades. As each one gets sent away, Luffy looks more and more desperate and scared. At the end of the chapter, it says "the strawhats were completely defeated" – this is by Kuma, not Kizaru. Luffy holds a grudge against Kuma for this, not Kizaru.
@Don:
But why i think Zoro will more likely be his opponent.
1. he has notived that the crew fighted not the real Kuma…having such "connection" to his villain could mean somethingHe doesn't have any connection to Zoro. Zoro just met him one more time….
@Don:
2. Kuma noticed that Zoro survived his attack at TB..means he sure has respect for this guy
Having respect for someone doesn't mean he's going to fight him.
@Don:
3. Luffy has with other shichibukais and admirals enough guys who would be harder to fight and in my opinion also Zoro should be in the end able to fight a shichibukai(besides Mihawk) for that Kuma seems to be fitting
Not an argument. So there are lots of guys Luffy can fight. Same with Zoro. And Zoro will be stronger than Mihawk by the end; don't kid yourself.
@Don:
4. also what you brought up as a point for luffy (defeating and seperating the crew) does work for Zoro^^
But it's not the same because it wasn't Zoro's crew; it was Luffy's. He's the captain, and it was his responsibility. He said as much during that arc.
@Don:
so i don
t say Luffy wouldn
t fight him the second he sees Kuma..but i think Oda makes this "connections" between Kuma and Zoro out of a reason..because it will be a top tier fighter who will be Zoro`s match.
just my opinion but the facts points a little more to Zoro than to Luffy.(and thats all what we should let count on a suggestion)I understand that's your opinion, but there's no way that the "facts" point more towards Zoro over Luffy. I would say it's unclear at this point. But anything could happen.
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and why not a kuma vs franky after all it's a battle of cyborg + It will be time to show if franky's coup de vent can beat kuma's paw paw fruit.
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No it wasn't. That was Rayleigh looking back on what happened. He didn't tell anyone else (that we know of) that Kuma actually was trying to help Luffy and that he worked as a revolutionary.
And here I thought you actually read this chapter since you're posting in this thread. Well Rayleigh clearly told Shakky that Kuma was on there side at the time. Why wouldn't he tell Luffy?
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/593/15/
"Mind wiped"? What do you mean? Wasn't it stated in the manga that Kuma had been "altered," not "mind wiped"? The assumption is that he still is in this altered state, if I read the manga correctly.
I didn't mean it literally. I meant it figuratively. Maybe next time I should put it in quotes for you too avoid confusion. :getlost:
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And here I thought you actually read this chapter since you're posting in this thread. Well Rayleigh clearly told Shakky that Kuma was on there side at the time. Why wouldn't he tell Luffy?
I'm sorry. Where in there does it say Rayleigh told Luffy that Kuma was a revolutionary?
Your logic of "why wouldn't he tell him?" doesn't apply.
I didn't mean it literally. I meant it figuratively. Maybe next time I should put it in quotes for you too avoid confusion. :getlost:
No. There was no confusion. I was just wondering whether you understood what was going on currently in the manga. Kuma never had his mind wiped that we know of, and I thought you didn't understand what was going on with him based on your comment.
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I think the reason why Kuma is on SA is related to what Luffy has done.
P.S : People with Number "7" on their Username should not fight each other
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Yeah, I did say it was possible, but that's not something that can be argued with. Almost anything is possible in this manga. It's just an idea.
sure it can be argued with..
when you cant prove any suggestion to be a bit to much, because some fact points towards another outcome, i have to say you
re wrong here.when you don
t want to argue about your suggestions a bit, than write above them (Those are just suggestions which i hope are cool but don
t want any response against it cause everything can be true!) or just post them into fanfics\theories that don`t deserve their own thread.
here on this board we normally discuss some suggestion in detail and try to prove with more good arguements or facts, that some suggestions are less likely.
thats why this thread is called Chapter DISCUSSION!Doesn't matter. He hadn't heard of it, so of course he didn't show any interest. Like I said, things may have changed.
Style and goals are things that can evolve with time. I'm sure Enel wasn't born as a baby wanting to become the God of sky island….He decided he wanted to once he heard about it etc. Same can be said of this.
It's not necessarily out of nowhere. They could have been keeping track of him the entire time and now decided to act when a spot opened up.
We don't know that the world government doesn't know about him. They might. It's also possible that he came down to the blue seas and made himself known as a new pirate.
Could be …or not...i see.
no hints are in the story and thats what we should work with.
so, i let you your dreams that this could happen but so far it`s a bad part of your suggestion ,because it has not even the slightest backup in the story and is just a wish of yours.There's no evidence that Enel flew to the moon.
[hide]http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/428/01/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/429/01/[/hide]Except Kizaru wasn't the one who defeated Luffy or his crew; that was Kuma. if you read the SA arc, you see Kuma sending the strawhats away (but Luffy doesn't know that at the time), and Luffy is struggling to fight Kuma and save his comrades. As each one gets sent away, Luffy looks more and more desperate and scared. At the end of the chapter, it says "the strawhats were completely defeated" – this is by Kuma, not Kizaru. Luffy holds a grudge against Kuma for this, not Kizaru.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/516/02/
thats shows that he sees all 3 of them responsible for their defeat.(and not just Kuma)He doesn't have any connection to Zoro. Zoro just met him one more time….
Having respect for someone doesn't mean he's going to fight him.
Not an argument. So there are lots of guys Luffy can fight.
But it's not the same because it wasn't Zoro's crew; it was Luffy's. He's the captain, and it was his responsibility. He said as much during that arc.okay i see, instead of bringing up facts you just say again and again "cause he vanished his crew…ehhhm end" you just deny other arguements.
but also other villains did go against the SH-crew and still Luffy didnt fight all of these..Zoro is also a guy who protects his crew (even his capt
n with his life, as we saw at TB)Same with Zoro. And Zoro will be stronger than Mihawk by the end; don't kid yourself.
i never said i doubt that Zoro will defeat Mihawk^^
actually i was saying that Zoro has to fight another opponent in that power level(like for example Kuma as a shichibukai)…so you agree with me there^^I understand that's your opinion, but there's no way that the "facts" point more towards Zoro over Luffy. I would say it's unclear at this point. But anything could happen.
let`stay by this, even when you just can bring one arguement over and over again in this subject^^
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Has Oda started a new arc with these last 2 or 3 chapters…..i mean its not post war or war aftermath anymore i think..now we see how everyone is doing and what they are planning???
Any thoughts...?
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So basically Chikmagnet is making retarded random arguments about shoehorning Ener into the story. Based around "HEY IT COULD HAPPENED" and apparent lack of reading Ener's own cover story.
Fantastic.
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hmm after noticing the rather apocalyptic predictions being made in relation the status of scans and such I just had a rather sad thought myself…what happens if the MAn takes down our sources before this cliffhanger is revealed..or worse one chapter before crew reunion or something? Living in a part of the world with NO english one piece access I could live months..years perhaps my whole life knowing that the manga I have faithfully followed since the age of 11 is no longer available to me......oh the horror!
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I'm sorry. Where in there does it say Rayleigh told Luffy that Kuma was a revolutionary?
You know, in movies and television not everything happens on screen. Things can happen off screen and still take place. That why I originally said it was implied.
Your logic of "why wouldn't he tell him?" doesn't apply.
Um, actually I think it does. Rayleigh and Luffy have come up with a plan together. When people are making plans, it is usually wise to make sure everyone is filled in on the missing details and on the same page. That's why Dragon is also telling the Revolutionary Army what happened to Kuma. There is no good reason why Rayleigh would not tell Luffy that Kuma is a revolutionary. What reason would he have for withholding that info? Like I said before he told Shakky, but you're saying he's not going to tell Luffy, the MAIN person involved with the incident with Kuma?
No. There was no confusion. I was just wondering whether you understood what was going on currently in the manga. Kuma never had his mind wiped that we know of, and I thought you didn't understand what was going on with him based on your comment.
So you were confused?:wassat: Anyway, don't worry. I'm very aware of what's going on in the manga. You're really nitpicky about the difference between mind wipe and altered state. Although I will say that the fact that Kuma said, "We will not be seeing one another again" implies that his memory was wiped.
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Um, actually I think it does. Rayleigh and Luffy have come up with a plan together. When people are making plans, it is usually wise to make sure everyone is filled in on the missing details and on the same page. That's why Dragon is also telling the Revolutionary Army what happened to Kuma. There is no good reason why Rayleigh would not tell Luffy that Kuma is a revolutionary. What reason would he have for withholding that info? Like I said before he told Shakky, but you're saying he's not going to tell Luffy, the MAIN person involved with the incident with Kuma?
Luffy may be a real nice guy, but he's not the most intelligent and I wouldn't trust him with a secret of such importance. Not that he would intentionally reveal it. He'd just say "hey Kuma, how's your revolution going?!" next time he meets him in front of Sengoku, and then "woops".
If I was in Rayleigh's place, I wouldn't reveal this unless I had a VERY good reason.
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Luffy may be a real nice guy, but he's not the most intelligent and I wouldn't trust him with a secret of such importance. Not that he would intentionally reveal it. He'd just say "hey Kuma, how's your revolution going?!" next time he meets him in front of Sengoku, and then "woops".
If I was in Rayleigh's place, I wouldn't reveal this unless I had a VERY good reason.
someone should make a mini parody about this lol
Garp said himself though that luffy isnt the type to go around saying he beat up moria
i can see how this can be different seeing how he blurted out that dragons his father but then agian so did garp
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