@Aaronrules380:

You realize a double issue doesn't mean 2 chapters, correct?

Well that's the thing. I don't know. Usually when WSJ has a double issue, it's because of one of the major holidays in Japan. It means the magazine is meant to last for 2 weeks, where it is released the first week, and nothing new is released the second week. Here we have something different. We have nothing released one week, and a double issue being released the week after.

Usually double issues simply have one chapter's worth of material, but this time it's conceivable that in an effort to remain on schedule (since last week's break was unscheduled and unexpected), shounen jump will provide more material in the coming double issue. I don't think shounen jump is planning a break this next week, so I don't know why they would call it a double issue. That and the early release date make me think something's up.

Can someone confirm #2 on OP's post, please? People have basically only been talking about #1, which is important, but which only deals with what is going to happen in shounen jump THIS week. What about next week? #2 seems to be saying that next week's issue is a double issue and will be released early. Is this the case? If so, this is awesome news.

@Redspear:

Other: I think the straw hats should be strong enough to handle a pacifista on their own and a vice admiral as a group.

Are you serious? You think it would take the entire strawhat pirates to match a vice admiral? I would wager Luffy could defeat any vice admiral by himself. Any.

@choperman:

when he says yonkou he means their crews too and he said marco the pheniox and the remains of the whitebeard pirates implying them as a unit, and I don't believe sengoku said it it was the five elder stars

http://www.mangareader.net/103-56101-2/one-piece/chapter-594.html

It was the 5 elder stars, but he was talking about individuals. That's why they said blackbeard and not the blackbeard pirates. And the yonkou refers to the four emperors, not the entire crew of those emperors.

@choperman:

When, he said the whitebeard pirates along with marco could beat him, and that's because of numbers I'm guessing, not one-on-one

No, he said that "only the yonkou or perhaps Marco the Phoenix" would be capable of halting Blackbeard's advances.

He was talking in terms of individuals, but it was unclear whether he meant Marco could defeat Blackbeard. This is probably because Blackbeard recently obtained Whitebeard's devil fruit to complement his own, increasing his power a good deal. In other words, it's not clear whether Marco could currently defeat Blackbeard (with two devil fruit powers), though Sengoku seems to think that he most likely could.

After this time skip, that won't be the case.

@Zik:

No did I say you did?

Indeed you did. Or at least you implied it. Let's review:

Your initial question: @Zik:

Again why does the entire crew have to have haki?

My answer: @chikmagnet7:

Have to have haki? No one has to have haki. I just think it's extremely likely.

Your next response: @Zik:

As we've seen haki isn't the only thing that can make a person stronger.

So what, pray tell, was the point of this comment, were it not meant to mean that I was saying that haki was the only way for the strawhats to get stronger? I never said they had to learn haki; I only said it was very very likely they would.

@Zik:

If you acknowledged this I don't see how you couldn't understand the initial question.Again I ask why does each and every single SH have to learn haki?

And again, I've already answered you….I'm not saying that each and every strawhat "has to learn haki." I'm saying it's extremely likely they will.

http://www.readingrockets.org/teaching/reading101/comprehension?gclid=CIHhpcfe26MCFQsCbAodIGPP9Q

@Zik:

Given the choices yeah you did unless you have an analysis of why they couldn't be proficient in both types of haki and left it out or real reasons why they couldn't lean toward the other.

So because I didn't include an analysis of why each strawhat could not be one or the other and instead opted to analyze why each strawhat would fall under one or the other, my post becomes random guessing, instead of analysis?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analysis

Want to show me where explaining the negative is necessary for analysis?

You're completely full of shit.

@Zik:

I figured. Making up wild scenarios no one brought up to try and prove another point is a great way of trying to make a reasonable point and support a theory.

Ah, there's something no one's tried before: take a sentence out of context that proves your point, otherwise known as an admission of defeat.

Thanks.

@Zik:

No I never suggested all of them would not learn it you assumed that.

Then please, if that is not what you meant, tell me which you think will learn haki and which you think won't. It doesn't help if you just hide behind your keyboard eating cupcakes without explaining yourself.

@Zik:

Yeah cuz the NW is filled with endless logia users the SHs will have to fight to the death.

Will have to fight to the death? I doubt it. But is it possible that they run into logia users they have to fight to the death? Yes, yes it is.

@Zik:

Your incessant harping on logia users as if they're the main and only threat and why haki must be used by all SHs is a terrible argument.

Saying an argument is terrible is one way of avoiding it. Notice how you haven't actually explained why it's terrible, probably because you can't.

@Zik:

To an idiotic notion.

What are you even saying at this point?

@Zik:

I never said only Luffy would learn haki or that some of the SHs won't learn haki.

LOL at your attempts to backtrack. This is exactly what you were saying. Your question, though utterly unrelated to anything I posted, asked why every strawhat had to learn haki. The implicit reasoning behind your question suggests you don't think every strawhat will learn haki. If you did, why would you ask it? It's not as if the question itself has anything to do with what I wrote. I'm sorry for assuming you actually had a rational basis for your question. I won't make the same mistake again.

@Zik:

I asked why do all of them have to and laughed at your "analysis" of what types your "theory" said they would end up using.
I'm sure the irony is lost on you.

This part of your post actually had me laughing out loud for a good minute. I'm just glad you can manage to find the "i" "r" "o" "n" and "y" keys on your keyboard without too much trouble. The only ironic notion in this whole exchange has been the fact that the person claiming that irony has been lost on me doesn't have the slightest idea what irony actually is. That's quite ironic indeed.

@Zik:

Show me where and when in the last chapter there was any hint to all of the SHs learning haki.

What does this have anything to do whatsoever with what I said or have been talking about? Answer that question first. Did I say there was evidence the strawhats were learning haki? The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. Nor did I even say that the strawhats would learn haki over the timeskip. These were all your assumptions, begun from an idiotic starting point because you didn't carefully and thoroughly read the post in the first place. I am talking by the end the manga here.

@Zik:

It's funny cuz your theory has all of them learning haki.

Actually, no it doesn't. Wouldn't you be better served to actually read the post, as opposed to, you know, arguing blindly for no apparent reason other than the fact that you're waiting for some pedophilic porn to download?

My "theory" only deals with first, my opinion that they will eventually have haki. I do not specify when or how. The bulk of the post is directed towards once they have haki, analyzing which form of haki they will specialize in, since according to Rayleigh users of haki tend to drift towards one form of haki or another.

@Zik:

You keep talking about logia users but your theory doesn't even have all of them learning color of the armor which is the only type of haki that allows you to harm them.

Again, thank you for proving to me you didn't actually read the post. It deals with which type of haki the strawhats will specialize in, not which type they will learn. As I explain in the post, each strawhat will know how to use at least the two main types of haki, but will specialize in only one, as Rayleigh explained. Why am I even arguing with you anymore. It's clear you have zero idea what you're talking about at this point.

@Zik:

So what's the wager since you have no idea what I think on the matter?

I know exactly what you think on the matter: nothing. Or, at least, that is what you've demonstrated – no ability to think rationally. I'm willing to wager literally anything. That is how confident I am in this.

@Zik:

All of the current SHs will all know haki after the time skip?

Strawman. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

I never said that. Once again, you didn't read the post.

@Zik:

Since your theory has all of them learning some type of haki. I'd take it, so are we betting accounts or money? Or are we betting exactly on your theory and what types of haki EACH SH uses? Cuz I'd take that bet as well.

I'm betting that each strawhat will be able to use haki. That is what we've been arguing about, is it not? I'm willing to bet anything. I don't care about accounts. How much money do you have? I'll wager 5 grand.

@Zik:

That end of the manga bullshit is a meaningless wager if that's what you have in mind. I'm not gonna wait around possibly 7-10 years for your theory to pan out. Don't tell me you had something in mind like all current and future SHs will all know haki by the end of the manga?

Is this a question? Why don't you actually read the entire post and then get back to me. You really don't seem to have read it or understood it very well at all. Get back to me once you've read it thoroughly.

@Zik:

Wait wait how about a bet on the amount of logia users each individual SH actually fights?

Why would I bet on that? It's totally unrelated to what we were discussing.

@Zik:

Cuz according to this:
Brook, Sanji, Robin, and Chopper are all gonna pale in comparison to all of the logias in the NW and won't measure up to the WB commanders cuz you know color of observation doesn't help you harm a logia user directly. They'll specialize in observation not in armor and fall short to the countless logia users waiting for them.

Again, I never said they wouldn't learn both types of haki. I said they would specialize in only one, as Rayleigh explained. Reading comprehension is useful in this instance.

@everyone: and this, ladies and gentlemen, is exactly why you do not post drunk

@Zik:

As we've seen haki isn't the only thing that can make a person stronger. It really does look like you're randomly guessing with this theory.

Did I say it was the only thing that could make them stronger? It's something that can and will make them stronger. Every strawhat is extremely important to a fight, since there will only be about 11 total members. Each will probably be as stronger or stronger than a WB commander.

I'm randomly guessing with my theory? Did you read it at all? There's a difference between analyzing and guessing randomly.

@Zik:

Are you a dumbass? I'd have to assume yes since you'd even ask if I'm suggesting any of that nonsense that happens to be on your mind.

Yeah, you're right. I'm a dumb ass for trying to argue with someone who can't even form a coherent sentence, let alone follow simple logic.

If you are suggesting that the strawhats will not learn haki, then you are also suggesting that they will be utterly helpless against anyone with a logia fruit. There is no other way to touch someone with a logia, unless you have control of the color of armor haki. In other words, you are suggesting that Nami, Brooke, Franky, R_o_bin, Ussop, and other strawhats would be unable to fight a logia fruit user, even by the end of the manga.

Are you really that short sighted?

@Zik:

Not absurd at all if you think if they don't learn haki it has to be that way.

What an idiotic response. Way to not answer the question. The fact that it has to be that way because it is written that way doesn't mean it's not an altogether absurd possibility, since it has yet to be written.

@Zik:

LOL @ entertaining the thought of more members of the crew having king's haki after it was just explained.

LOL@ your feeble attempts to engage in rational discourse.

@Zik:

What does Chopper being the best doctor in the world or Nami being the best navigator or Robin have to do with hitting logia uers with the use of haki?

The short answer to your question is "go reread the manga, specifically the last chapter."

The longer answer to your question is that although they have their own goals, they have one larger goal, and that is to become the strongest pirate crew in the world in order to support their captain in finding One Piece and becoming the Pirate King.

We saw this last chapter when Mihawk commented that Zoro threw away his pride and found something larger and more important than his own goal for which to strive. The strawhats, including Chopper and Nami, are going to take these two years to get stronger just for this very purpose. Unlike the WB pirates, theirs is a small crew, and because of that, each individual member must be strong enough to stand on his/her own.

That said, it would be a travesty for the strawhats, by the end of the manga, to be the strongest pirate crew in the world and yet unable to use even the basics of haki, unable to even fight against logia users. They are probably going to be on par, if not stronger, than the WB commanders.

But please, let's make a wager, since you seem so confident in your opinion.

@Gol:

Dragon saved a totally random dude that merited him a page in Chapter 589. So Sabo isn't confirmed to be alive yet so the poster with a sig that has a check on Sabo being alive should remove that check because I have problem with it. Now I think that the whole crew would be getting haki. Boo hoo.:getlost:

Oh! Oh! I know this game! Let me try!

I'm an idiot who has no idea what I'm talking about, and I like to make erroneous comments that are utterly unrelated to anything having to do with anything in the discussion going on in this thread in an ill-formed attempt to annoy a poster whose intelligence far exceeds my own. I saw a bunch of posters ganging up on one poster, and instead of using my tiny brain to figure out what the actual argument was or how it originated, I'm going to automatically side with the big crowd of posters because it will make me more popular, and I'm someone who cares more about being liked than the truth. Oh, and I have a tiny penis.

@Zik:

Again why does the entire crew have to have haki?

Have to have haki? No one has to have haki. I just think it's extremely likely. The strawhats will eventually become the strongest pirate crew on the seas. They are a small but extremely powerful force. It's not as if only the big three are going to do all the fighting. Are you suggesting that by the end of the manga, Nami would not be strong enough to defeat current Smoker just because Smoker is a logia? You've got to be joking.

Ussop will be the greatest sniper in the world by the end of the manga! Oh wait, he can't hit logias…never mind. Franky? He's going to upgrade himself with a massive laser beam, after learning new things from Dr. Vegapunk. Too bad he won't be able to land a blow on a logia and will have to run away if he comes across one.

None of this sounds absurd to you?

@Zik:

You got two choices of it and you're just throwing shit against the wall to see if it sticks with these theories.

Actually, I have three choices, and I'm not "throwing shit against the wall." I'm analyzing their actions and personalities within the story so far to paint of picture of what I believe would best fit their characters. And what are you doing? I'm not sure. You're certainly not providing anything to the discussion.

@Don:

Oww here are still some members not over the fact that their favourite SH won`t get Haki.
Sad:sad:

Every straw hat will get haki eventually. If you'd like I'll bet you here and now. I'm willing to wager 100,000$.

You just seem like someone who is butthurt because Luffy won't be the only strawhat with haki.

Newest theory:

As Rayleigh explained, every single human being has the potential to manifest the power known as haki. The question is whether one learns to control this power and its two separate forms. With that in mind, it's clear that as the pirate king's crew and therefore the strongest pirate crew in the world, each member of the strawhat pirates will learn to control haki.

That does not mean, however, that each one will learn how to utilize King's haki, otherwise known as Color of the Conqueror (henceforth abbreviated as CoC lol). Most likely only Luffy and Zoro will be able to use this rare type of haki, since the potential to use this type seems to be hereditary. Also, the fact that each member of the strawhats will learn haki does not mean that each will be as good at using it as the others or that each strawhat's haki will be as strong as everyone else's.

Ignoring for now the fact that each individual strawhat will have a different level of skill, ability, and power in his/her haki usage, the only question, therefore, is what type of haki each strawhat will eventually come to specialize in, since, as we know, one can use all different kinds of haki but will most likely specialize in one, since, as Rayleigh said, usually people drift towards one type or the other. This is a list of where I think each strawhat will drift and why I think so.

Luffy: Color of the Conqueror (CoC)

! Luffy is the captain and the eventual conqueror of the grand line and new world as well as the one who will ultimately become pirate king. Luffy has already shown an immense ability to use CoC and specializing in this would fit in well with his personality, goals, and his overall narrative.

Zoro: Color of armaments (CoA) but will also have king's haki

! Although Zoro will be the only other member besides Luffy able to use CoC, I believe that he will specialize in CoA. This is because CoA has been said to allow its user to infuse haki into weapons and cut even the likes of logias. This idea fits in well with Zoro's ability to cut nearly anything. Specializing in CoA would make his slahses and overall swordfighting abilities much stronger.

Sanji: Color of Observation (CoO)

! Because Sanji is a hand to hand fighter, dodging is of the utmost importance, especially, for instance, if he comes up against someone with a very sharp weapon. Being able to read one's movements is more important to a hand to hand fighter than it is to a weapon's user like Zoro, who is more likely to specialize in something that makes his slashes stronger. Also, being able to sense one's surroundings is particularly important to Sanji, since as the cook, it is his job to find and locate wildlife and other sources of food for his crew mates.

Nami: CoA

! I believe Nami is more likely to specialize in this form of haki, if only because her fighting style utilizes weather based weaponry. It would be more important for her to focus on using haki to make the attacks of those weapons stronger and allowing those weapons to affect devil fruit users than it would be for her to focus on dodging the attacks of others. Of course, CoO would be important to her as well, since she is the navigator and seems to have an uncanny ability to predict the weather, but if she wants to grow stronger, she will focus on CoA.

Ussop: CoA

! You might be seeing a pattern here. The people who use weapons in battle, I believe, are more likely to end up specializing in CoA than another form of haki. Ussop will most likely focus on this as well to increase the strength and power of his sniper ammo as well as to allow his weaponry to affect devil fruit users. It is important that he specialize in this so that he does not become useless against someone with a logia. For example, I believe Benn Beckman, first mate of the Red Hairs, is a complete master of CoA haki. No wonder Kizaru was scared when Beckman pointed that gun at his face. Ussop is another character to whom CoO would also be very important. Although I think he will specialize in CoA, CoO will be useful in sniping far away targets a la Van Auger.

Robin: CoO

! Robin, like Sanji, is also a hand to hand fighter. Well, sort of. She uses no weapons and relies only on her senses to fight. She is also the crew's resident archeologist, and her focusing on the CoO haki would jive with her narrative as one who can sense and discover new things.
Chopper: CoO

! Once Chopper increases his overall strength, his main weakness will be his inability to react quickly enough to the attacks of others. Specializing in CoO would change that. He would sense when both he and his nakama are in danger and be able to use his rumble balls to change the situation in his favor.

Franky: CoA

! I believe Franky will specialize in CoA because, as a cyborg, he has numerous weapons he can use which would greatly benefit from haki. Imagine Franky, having learned a thing or two from Dr. Vegapunk's lab, with a beam (OMG) that can connect with logias. That is what I envision in his future. Franky is not someone who needs to worry so much about dodging attacks. As a cyborg, he is very durable, and specializing in CoA would only increase that defense.
Brooke: CoO

! Gasp! I know what you're all thinking: "But Brooke is a swordsman, just like Zoro! Why will he not specialize in CoA???" Fear not, my friends! I do not mean to say by any means that Brooke will not be able to hurt devil fruit users or logias, or that he won't be able to infuse his strikes and slashes with CoA haki. I only mean to point out that although Zoro and Brooke are both swordsman, they are very different types of swordsman with very different styles. Zoro is more direct and aggressive; Brooke is more roundabout in his fighting and focuses more on finesse than power. With that in mind, I believe he would benefit more by specializing in CoO, which would allow him to react better to his opponents movements and read his surroundings.

For those of you keeping track at home, that makes 4 strawhats who will specialize in CoA and 4 strawhats who will specialize in CoO, while Luffy as the captain will focus on CoC (lol). As we know, there will most likely be two more strawhats (I'm guessing a fishman and a giant). I imagine one of them will specialize in CoA while the other specializes in CoO, if this patter prevails.

And for those of you complaining about how CoC seems useless and weaker than the other two, let me remind you that it's rare for a reason. It will be extremely important in Luffy's growth and eventual power. Luffy was the one who came up with the gears in order to make himself stronger for his friends and to accomplish his goal. Leave it to Luffy to use CoC and other forms of haki in ways no one has ever heard of or thought of before, bringing them to new heights. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if he brings king's haki to the next level or even invents his own form of haki.

@Wisshard:

I never liked temporary power-ups such as Gear 2, since it's something Luffy activates to enchance his physical prowess for a limited amount of time. His fighting strength, as such, is counting on having Gear 2 activated, which I dislike since without the temporary power-up of Gear 2, the real Luffy is a tier lower.

I sincerely hope that Luffy will abandon his gears as Chopper pleads him too and wont develop a Gear 4…

No one's saying Luffy won't get stronger without his gears. I'm just saying that the gears represent a creative way to enhance his strength. Luffy has a very strange devil fruit. There are probably infinite possibilities and things he can do with it to make him stronger. I sincerely doubt Luffy will just abandon his gears when they have the potential to make him so much stronger.

As for your comment about the "real Luffy," that image you have of him doesn't exist. There is only one Luffy. Luffy can use his abilities to enter gear 2nd, but it's not as if the "real Luffy" is weaker than that because the "real Luffy" is the one who enters gear 2nd.