Funny episode. I think I'm enjoying them as I've really missed the crew. They're doing a really good job of not really going further than the cover stories have shown, but also managing to give us a good idea of how the characters will power up/get back to SA. Shame it all seems abit predictable, would kinda like Oda to go in a different direction as I've predicted Chopper getting birds to fly him back, Sanji getting a lift from Iva, Nami floating back etc for ages
454: "The Crew's Whereabouts - Giant Bird Chicks and a Pink Showdown"
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While I'm still reserved and wait to see if this is really how Oda wants to play it I must say that I'd be actually pleasantly surprised if Oda would make Sanji have such a change of heart for real. I really like Sanji as he is but having a testosterone monster like him turn into a queer would really be a very nice twist by Oda simply for the fact that there appears to be still too many homophobic pricks out there that seem to be butthurt if a fictional character turns gay. :getlost:
Meh not really Ivotas like you said i like Sanji has he is, i love Bon-chan and hes a gay but i cant stand seeing a character that i really like having a complete change of Heart and go queer not homophoby here XD.
I hope when hes back in he boat he isnt a queer anymore, in the manga we could see he was pissed with his veins showing and all thats why i dont understand why in the anime they made it like the "oh i accept im a queer" thing, i still hope they put some kind of incantation on him or something like that haha otherwise ill be pissed ;(.
And yeah i couldnt laugh at it and i laugh my ass off with Ivankov/Bon-chan queer activites.
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am I the only one who thinks that it was some kind of spell that turns Sanji Like that? something to do with the flowers maybe.
I'm sure it's just a temporary change.
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Just shows what a bunch of intollerant pricks we're having around here. If somebody doesn't appreciate the character change (if it really is one) simply because he/she likes Sanji as he was up till now then it's one thing. But being disgusted with such a kind of life attitude as a whole (which pretty much seems to be the case for some guys) just shows how dumb some people really are.
The funny thing it isn't really a character change but up to this point Sanji seems to really dislike it himslef and it's mainly played for the laughs. But still people don't seem to take it with a laugh, but overreact in the dumbest manner… And the whole homophobia this episode seems to bring out in some here is a completely different topic...
For myself, now that I've rewatched the sanji part, I really wish I'd be hit on by a tranny...xD
But who else thought the preview was a bit...weird...with a bare-bosomed...STEAMING Nico Robin lying on the floor...? -
am I the only one who thinks that it was some kind of spell that turns Sanji Like that? something to do with the flowers maybe.
I'm sure it's just a temporary change.
Well the flower were there to show that he was like sprounting from bud to the flower that he his right now haha.
Anyway yeah i though it was strange that he changed in a matter of seconds, and the okamas said they had a plan so it might be something like that but Oda said he wouldnt use magic in the manga so for sure it wasnt a spell but it might be some kind of fragrance maybe.
Meh Robin cover story didnt show much so it might be hard to make the episode out of it yeah it was kinda strange, i liked the Usop preview though he was going Tarzan with Heracles nice.
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am I the only one who thinks that it was some kind of spell that turns Sanji Like that? something to do with the flowers maybe.
I'm sure it's just a temporary change.
Agreed. Remember that other guy's father from Impel Down that went to the island and came back a woman? Not to mention, Sanji - manly man that he is, suddenly a girly man - it'd mess up the crew chemistry.
Not to mention, Sanji'll break out of this. Even if it's not by himself, a mega punch from Nami or a vacay to Amazon Lily should snap him out of it.
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Hilarious episode. I think this isn't a permanent change and it is only a gag; because the development feels too rushed and sudden to feel natural. I think his experiences here will surely influence his character; but I don't think he will remain as a full blown okama. I want to approach this subject skeptically until we see Sanji again. I want to see what Oda does with this character and if it is well written, I won't have any problems keep liking Sanji.
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It's like somebody said earlier: he's getting a taste of his own peeping medicine.
And reading through this topic, I lol'd at everybody who said that those who hate the character change are homophobes. :silly:
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omgg I dont think my frail heart will be able to take this episode!!! I havnt seen this episode but from reading the cover stories and knowing Oda this is definately not permanent. But for those Sanji fan who stopped liking him…. SHAME on you for not liking him when he got turned into an Okama "forcefully", out of his own "will". One piece is all about doing things for your own dreams and out of your own will, esp the Straw hats, and thats why I know Sanji will not stay the way he is. He will get a power up yet but all will be well and Iva comes back. This is just a gag that Oda really wanted to torture Sanji with. (I guess us fans should be used to it by now!)
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omgg I dont think my frail heart will be able to take this episode!!! I havnt seen this episode but from reading the cover stories and knowing Oda this is definately not permanent. But for those Sanji fan who stopped liking him…. SHAME on you for not liking him when he got turned into an Okama "forcefully", out of his own "will". One piece is all about doing things for your own dreams and out of your own will, esp the Straw hats, and thats why I know Sanji will not stay the way he is. He will get a power up yet but all will be well and Iva comes back. This is just a gag that Oda really wanted to torture Sanji with. (I guess us fans should be used to it by now!)
Listen to this person. The fan in the tempest…
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Oda has been stealing sanji's lunch money since Enies Lobby ended.
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am I the only one who thinks that it was some kind of spell that turns Sanji Like that? something to do with the flowers maybe.
Right, such a change of heart can't be something normal and most certainly must be result of either a spell or a virus because it's pure evil and most have some sort of remedy to take care of it. :getlost:
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Lil' Bird for Nakama !!!
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When Sanji will be in mob laughing over smth the ghost of Bon-chan will come to him, bitchslap him and tell him to become a man once again for the sake of Mugi-chan. Then a series of speeding up flashbacks will hit Sanji and the dress will explode, revealing his classic, freshly ironed black suit. Then, covered in his fiery aura he will beat everyone and then Iva will arrive and tell him the location of Luffy. Hearing the place Sanji will grab the boat and row to the place with wild speed, fired by the dream.
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Well we really haven't fully seen where Oda wants to take this, only where the anime took it. How much imput Oda had is hard to say, right? I do know he has handled every Okama character in teh manga so far with respect, so I'm gonna take a wait and see approach to this whole storyline with Sanji. Besides–it's hilarious.
I agree its just a temporary change. I also see the potential for jokes and little moments where this haunts Sanji here and there in the future, even if the other SH's never find out about it. It'll be funny, 'cause Oda is that good.
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Loved the episode, Girlfriend and I were dying of laughter over Sanji's episode, the flower thing was hysterical. Also, that Baby bird was pretty cute! I thought it was adorable.
My prediction for what'll happen with Sanji:
Iva will arrive on the Island, somehow learn (Or maybe already know from the Wanted poster somehow?) That Sanji is a Straw Hat, will get him back to either Amazon Lilly to meet up with Luffy or get him to Sabaody.As for what'll happen to his character… There are two things I'd like to see.
The more likely, is that Oda simply takes the safe route and has Sanji somehow revert, either from seeing the Amazons or Seeing Nami and Robin. It doesn't matter how, but revert Sanji back to the Sanji we all know and love, but a little stronger and wiser for his trouble. This is the safest route and is probably what's gonna happen because I doubt Oda's editors would let him 180 Sanji's character on a permanent basis.The other thing I think has the lowest chance of happening, but I'd LOVE so much more to see is Iva arrive and use Emporio Female Hormones on Sanji and make Sanji permanently a woman for the rest of the story. It'd take balls on Oda's part, it'd come a tad closer to evening out the Male-Female Ratio on the ship, and it would make an actual Transgendered main character in an uber-popular manga. But again, as much as I'd prefer this, it's the least likely scenario I think.
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Right, such a change of heart can't be something normal and most certainly must be result of either a spell or a virus because it's pure evil and most have some sort of remedy to take care of it. :getlost:
ok, then maybe a scent that makes a man acts like a girl and wants to be one? remember that sudden girly scream :ermm: ?
and being a gay is indeed evil, don't want to talk about it anyways
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Well we really haven't fully seen where Oda wants to take this, only where the anime took it. How much imput Oda had is hard to say, right? I do know he has handled every Okama character in teh manga so far with respect, so I'm gonna take a wait and see approach to this whole storyline with Sanji. Besides–it's hilarious.
I HIGHLY Doubt Oda would let Toei go to town on the Straw Hats' whereabouts like this. Because they're in a position to mess up REALLY bad if they do.
I'd almost guarantee that Oda told them exactly what's happening with the SHs and how they're gonna get back to Sabaody and that these episodes were all made to either work in aid of that, or to have everything be undo-able enough to fit into what Oda's planned.
and being a gay is indeed evil, don't want to talk about it anyways
You better be joking dude…
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OH MY GOD. NO SANJI. DON'T TOUCH IT.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v344/RenegadePocky/Untitled.jpg
:sick::sick:
I feel like killing myself.
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S….Sanji...?
This is only temporary.....right?
Right?
[hide] … [hide]Right?[/hide] [/hide]
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Sanji's angry vein is still there, so I guess he is just pulling an act against his own will.
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Right, such a change of heart can't be something normal and most certainly must be result of either a spell or a virus because it's pure evil and most have some sort of remedy to take care of it. :getlost:
I dunno dude, there was something pretty sinister about that whole scene.
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and being a gay is indeed evil, don't want to talk about it anyways
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Well I guess we know how you voted on the Pornographic Actress/Homosexual Son ballot.
I don't see how anything that doesn't hurt anyone or anything else could be classed as "evil" though.
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You better be joking dude…
She WILL kill you, dude. Just ask Ezekiel.
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Sanji's angry vein is still there, so I guess he is just pulling an act against his own will.
I'm guessing his veins just can't handle the blood of an Okama. They're popping out because it's too strong for them.
What.
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and being a gay is indeed evil, don't want to talk about it anyways
Motherfucker, get your ass back here.
Explain. Now.
@Badass:S….Sanji...?
This is only temporary.....right?
Right?
[hide] … [hide]Right?[/hide] [/hide]
Ivankov's on his way there. His chances of manhood decrease by the minute.
What.
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@Cyan:
Motherfucker, get your ass back here.
Explain. Now.
….just ask Ezekiel.
Ivankov's on his way there. His chances of manhood decrease by the minute.
What.
So… Sanji will be Sanje?
What.
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still running
well, I meant disgusting :ninja: -at least for most of the people in the world-
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Sanji's part was great. I couldn't stop smiling. Now, to sit back and wait for the Ms. Sanji fanart to start rolling in.
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still running
well, I meant disgusting :ninja: -at least for most of the people in the world-
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Poor Sanji. However I have the very stong feeling that as soon as he sees some girls he will switch right back to the astonishment of the others candy boys.
By the way did you guys saw the promo for the next episode. Man once again they drew Nico Robin like crap. Seriously who is the moron responsible for this?
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Naoki Tate. The one people fangasm over.
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Naoki Tate is balls.
I find it awesome that Sanji is considered low tier in Kamabakka. I can't wait until Sanji emerges from his cocoon with new fighting power.
Chopper's story is balls. Seriously Oda, chop fucking chop!
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people seems to forget Sanjy is a master of infiltration… he is a clever dude and had a plan on his mind!
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Gotta admit one thing, that yeah Zkaiser, Sanji couldnt do shit to the Okama it was nice and it shows that he might learn something from him before leaving.
The Chopper one boring me a little so i didnt pay much attention really, ill might check it out again later probably, it was 9am and i had just woke up when i saw it and i was too pissed at Sanji's to see it with some attention, same with Franky last week.
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The anime was pretty clear that the Temp Queen's spell worked. I personally suspect a devil's fruit/Homo Haki is at work. I agree that Sanji will snap out of it once he sees Nami/Robin.
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I'm amazed at how outclassed Sanji was against Carol. Imagine how strong Iva is who's better at Kama Kempo, has Death Wink and has his hormone fruit. The world is definitely a big place.
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The anime was pretty clear that the Temp Queen's spell worked. I personally suspect a devil's fruit/Homo Haki is at work. I agree that Sanji will snap out of it once he sees Nami/Robin.
Well yeah i think it was some kind of Devil Fruit, maybe a fragrance fruit or something like it and yeah i also think he will snap out of it and i hope he will still it was painfull for me to watch it .
The cartoon sounds made a comeback this episode :getlost:, when Sanji fell the boing, boing, boing thing was annoying me as usual :getlost:
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Those degenerates are putting Iva-san on shame! That is a good thing they are closed from the world but that also makes them degradate as human beings. Whole island looks like one giant asylum for hopeless cases and Iva-san is their overlooker. All queers and transvestites far away from that island were not violent retards oor even more manly than some straight guys. Just remember Bunnyman and Bon-chan!
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well, a man sucking other man's balls and dick ,and licking another man's ass and scream like a girl is indeed not disgusting huh?
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well, a man sucking other man's balls and dick ,and licking another man's ass and scream like a girl is indeed not disgusting huh?
About as disgusting as a woman licking a man's penis and ass while the man screams like a girl or vice-versa.
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Well I as one of the biggest Sanji fans around here have to say… No I'm not against character development and no I don't hate Okamas...
But IF Sanji suddenly changes his character to 180° it is a slap in the face for the current fans. Yeah some like the Okama Sanji cut it has comedy material and yeah this episode was even funny. but still THIS isn't the Sanji we had over the whole story and the fans liked.
Would you tolerate that an other SH turns his character completely like Usopp who suddenly becomes super brave, won't be afraif of nothing and stops his lies. No I won't like it because all this is part of his charcter.
Oda did a great job with usopp keeoing his character all the way but still develop it over the story.
But changing Sanji completely from his old self isn't that good. Maye it will be funny for some but it isn't the old bad-ass, cool, peverted and rivaling Sanji.
What would you say if Zoro would be in his position and would be changed in an Okama or something else... Or Zoro would suddenly stop being a total bad-ass and would become emo-like? It would suck as well.
But never wanted to believe that... But Oda really start since EL using Sanji more and more as comedy character and maybe he is using it even further now.
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You know KiShiDo, shouldn't you rather wait for a more elaborate scenario before you jump on the "it's a 180° character turn" waggon? In the manga we just saw that one panel. And Toei doesn't really have a good track of handling Oda's idea nicely these days. For all we know this might just be a catalyst for a very fitting character development for Sanji.
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Hah some of the responses to this episode are hilarious.
Oh noes, the big bad gay is gonna get me!
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Great animation imo.Sanji part felt a bit wierd.I wonder if there is any other anime changed one of their main character from normal to tranvestite/gay. Also i think chopper used his guard point without a rumble ball. I tought he was out of rumble balls in that island
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Would you tolerate that an other SH turns his character completely like Usopp who suddenly becomes super brave, won't be afraif of nothing
Sogeking is cool shooting stars and not afraid of nothing.
In reality this development is rather interesting and one cannot deny the potential of whatever the outcome is if Oda chooses to take a non-safe route out of it. A powerhouse Sanje would be a nice thing. Only bad thing about that'd be ditching Sanji's awesome voice actor to someone else.
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You know KiShiDo, shouldn't you rather wait for a more elaborate scenario before you jump on the "it's a 180° character turn" waggon? In the manga we just saw that one panel. And Toei doesn't really have a good track of handling Oda's idea nicely these days. For all we know this might just be a catalyst for a very fitting character development for Sanji.
Um… no. How the hell is Sanji becoming a crossdresser after all this time a very fitting character development? Regardless of filler catalysts, there's no way that Sanji's ideology is gonna go out the window for "ZOMG TEEHEE I'M FEMININE" or some other like-minded bullcrap. Sanji will return to the awesome MAN that he is.
It's awesome how people are getting so wound up over this.
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The other thing I think has the lowest chance of happening, but I'd LOVE so much more to see is Iva arrive and use Emporio Female Hormones on Sanji and make Sanji permanently a woman for the rest of the story. It'd take balls on Oda's part, it'd come a tad closer to evening out the Male-Female Ratio on the ship, and it would make an actual Transgendered main character in an uber-popular manga. But again, as much as I'd prefer this, it's the least likely scenario I think.
You and I, we think exactly alike.
This is what I want to happen. It would just be so crazy and really only Oda would do it. xD
But it would be a lot funnier if emphasis was put on "Sanji was not cross-dressing by choice" and that Ivankov came to the island fooled by him dressing like that. Then again maybe it could still work because Sanji still has the veins like he's not enjoying it.
I know quite a few wouldn't forgive Oda after doing that, but I would love it.
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@Cyan:
Motherfucker, get your ass back here.
Explain. Now.
Well… not that I really care in the long run. But I believe homosexuality is against the bible, which may be what he's steaming that belief from.
Not trying to put up religion up on this, just saying.
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He wouldn't do that because then he would hit on Zoro. lol and then he wouldnt fight hard when nami and robin were in danger.