Strawhats vs CP9 (who will fight?)

[changsho]

@Ivotas:

The only damaga Usopp did to Luffy was mental damage because he made him fight against a friend. Other than that the moves Usopp pulled didn´t cause serious damage of Luffy´s body. I´m not saying that it wasn´t strong moves but I didn´t see Luffy need medic care after that fight so it´s not that much of damage Usopp caused to him.

Usopp did do some "damaga" to Luffy. After the fight, Luffy wore bandages. Sure they disappeared later (during the fight against Franky) but I think that's because he's got a crazy recovery state.

If you look at the fight carefully, Usopp did a number of moves that causes burns and lacerations. Impact did the most damage, too. Luffy was coughing blood.

The point is, Usopp didn't do any lasting damage. Same goes for Luffy. After a while, Usopp was able to stand and walk around, right? But in his case, he didn't rip off his bandages.

[Ivotas]

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[Ivotas]

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[Voodzik]

Alright, right here is why I think Usopp is gonna beat Kaku:

http://groups.msn.com/OnePieceMangav-3/volume38.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=7232

Usopps got the vendetta to settle

Oh and thanks for the help on the argument Kaku. Though Usopp is still gonna kick your ass ^_^

[Ivotas]

Well Usopp also had a vendetta to settle with Kuro but it was Luffy who kicked his ass.

The vendetta stuff doesn´t follow that pattern in One Piece. If it would then Usopp would have kicked Kuro´s ass, Sanji Krieg´s, Nami Arlongs and Chopper Wapols.

Of course I realize that it was always Luffy who beat those guys and not Zoro but since Luffy already nominated his enemy the second strongest obviously needs to be taken down by the second strongest on the other side.

And another reason why a Usopp vs. Fukuro fight would be awesome besides the liar vs. talker thing is that Usopp is the only guy that wouldn´t bother me if we find out his Doriki. If Fukuro measures it it will obivously be very low but Usopp will still defeat him. And you avoid "…he has such a high Doriki" discussions that would occur if any of the other Strawhats would be involved. Just a personal preference though. =)

[Son Conan]

I think that the only match-up I'm really hoping for is Chopper vs. Fukurou, because I find a battle between "Extreme Honesty" and "Extreme Naivety" strangely hilarious.

[Myoti]

Sanji vs. Kalifa.

That would be hilarious. XD

[Ivotas]

@Son:

I think that the only match-up I'm really hoping for is Chopper vs. Fukurou, because I find a battle between "Extreme Honesty" and "Extreme Naivety" strangely hilarious.

Hmm, but what would that bring? I mean Fukuro speaks always the truth so Chopper´s "reallies" would lose the complete impact they have when he says it as response to an obvious lie. :hmm:

I try to think of some possible dialogs in that battle:

Fukuro: "Our strenght here at Enies Lobby is ten thousand men strong!"
Chopper: "Really?"

or

Fukuro: "Even if you defeat us you don´t stand a chance because a Buster Call fleet will be coming for you!"
Chopper: "Really?"

Well maybe it´s my bad taste of humor but I wouldn´t find anything funny in such discussion because Chopper doesn´t fall for a lie but tastes the truth. But then again, it might just be lack of creativity for good dialog between those two.

[agmaster]

Usopp glares at Kaku….Going Merry falls on Kaku's head. Revenge is had.

[Voodzik]

Going merry sank….

[Myoti]

Going Merry rises from the sea to help Usopp… then falls in the pit surrounding Enies Lobby.

[Voodzik]

Interesting…there WAS all that setup about the Klaubautterman earlier. Foreshadowing perhaps?

I have a cat sleeping on my keyeboard as I type this. I don't know why I thought you should know that.

[Myoti]

I have a cat sleeping on my keyeboard as I type this. I don't know why I thought you should know that.

TIS MORE FORESHADOWING!!!

[Marcman2020]

@Myoti:

Sanji vs. Kalifa.

That would be hilarious. XD

INFREAKIN DEED! XD!!!!

[Ace]

Sanji V Kalifa with the man man fruit

[July_the_Pirate]

I think some of the fights will be like this,

Luffy vs Lucci ~ Lucci seems to be the leader and Luffy always takes on the big boss of any group/crew.

Chopper vs Blueno ~ Chopper has strong strength in adult form and Blueno is very strong too. So, a battle of strength and might.

Nami vs Kalifa ~ I don't know why but I just see this fight happening.
or
Paulie vs Kalifa ~ both use rope-like weapons and Paulie doesn't seem to like her very much and vice-versa.

Zoro vs Spandam ~ both use swords. Simple as that.

[warp]

ive been thinking about it and i dont see anyway luffy an beat blueno right now. thats why i think blueno will knock him off the leadge and everyone thinks hes dead. then zoro makes a kickass speech about how luffy isnt dead and they still need to move on , then long hair dude comes in the way ands like if u pass ill comite suicide. then chopper remembers sanji saying how he needs to become a man(i cant remember something like that before sanji goes looking for robin) then he'll tell he'll handle this

[Mumbo]

If Luffy couldn't beat Blueno then I don't see how in the world he would be able to beat Lucci. I was guessing that we'd see the end of the Luffy/Blueno fight next chapter…maybe I'm just being too hopeful.

[warp]

well i mean i dont know how he can reverse the revoling door without beating the shit out of blueno.

[l2agnarok]

Someone told me usopp left from one of these points…Will he come back?

[warp]

nope usopp went back to water 7 and the mysterious sogeking came to help them ^^

just read

[Voodzik]

Ok seriously, my prediction is that Usopp saves Luffy from Blueno. He needs some big event to draw him back into the crew, that would be perfect.

[SteveRessel]

Going Merry's Klabautermann revives from the wreckage and kicks Blueno's butt, then kick's Ruffy's butt for abandoning the wreck…

Then the entire Going Merry returns as a giant wooden battle suit and Usopp goes on to kick all butt before the world plunges into the sun.

[Voodzik]

@SteveRessel:

Going Merry's Klabautermann revives from the wreckage and kicks Blueno's butt, then kick's Ruffy's butt for abandoning the wreck…

Then the entire Going Merry returns as a giant wooden battle suit and Usopp goes on to kick all butt before the world plunges into the sun.

Uhm….wow 0.0

Save something for the finale huh? ^_^;;

[SteveRessel]

What?

…you don't see that coming? It's obvious. Oda left hints all over the manga pointing into this direction.

After the world plunges into the sun, he sorta will continue the series as a space drama about a lonely boy on a spaceship with a harem of girls dressed as maids.... it's SO obvious.

[CosmicDebris]

@SteveRessel:

Then the entire Going Merry returns as a giant wooden battle suit and Usopp goes on to kick all butt before the world plunges into the sun.

It's true! Look!
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/15271741/

[SteveRessel]

Oh….phew.

I thought you were going to link to the porn I did on there a while back.

YEAH, OK...SEE? Proof.

[CosmicDebris]

@SteveRessel:

Oh….phew.

I thought you were going to link to the porn I did on there a while back.

Nah, it's against the rules to link to porn here. I'm not into mecha porn anyway.

[Voodzik]

0_0 how the hell can you have MECHA PORN?

"Sir! The hydraulics are failing! We can't keep this up-"

"Keep trying damnit she's almost there! Revert all power to the crotch! All pistons pumping! MAINTAIN THAT ERECTION AT ALL COSTS!"

[Ace]

0_0 how the hell can you have MECHA PORN?

Thats a good question :wacko:

"Sir! The hydraulics are failing! We can't keep this up-"

"Keep trying damnit she's almost there! Revert all power to the crotch! All pistons pumping! MAINTAIN THAT ERECTION AT ALL COSTS!"

:laugh:

[Herackles]

ooh it's eight vs seven now. commence the who will sit out speclations

[Adamiser_x]

Not if you count the strongest and obviously the best, but otherwise overlooked member… HATTORI!!!

[Herackles]

oh i counted him. i forgot to count lucchi. ok its 8 on 8
i want to know what zipper mouth can do in battle. he's so mysterious 0.o

[Megadoomer]

My guesses:
Luffy vs. Lucchi
Nami vs. Kalifa
Usopp/Sogeking vs. Kaku
Chopper vs. Hattori, seeing as Blueno's out of the picture…or is he?
I don't know much about the other members of CP9, but if one of them uses swords, they're most likely going to fight Zoro.

[freedom]

The only way I see Usopp fighting Kaku right now is if Kaku is unfortunate enough to get one of those DF that makes you weaker. Otherwise, I think it'll be something like…

Luffy vs. Lucchi
Zoro vs. Kaku
Sanji vs. Jabura

Not sure how the others will pan out...

[Adamiser_x]

Time for my prediction….WHAT!?!?!

It turns out that Luffy was right about Hattori in Water 7. He really is controlling Lucci. HAttori and Lucci are seperated. Usopp ends up having to fight the newly weakened Lucci and gets the nesessary courage/ pride to rejoin the straw hats. Meanwhile Chopper is battleing Hattori. He loses (but barely) and manages to convice HAttori to become good. Together they destroy Spandam and totally rape Buster Call.
Girls fight
Sanji fights LongHair, bringing in some more knife action
Zoro Fights 3rd Strongest.
Luffy Fights Kaku (now the strongest) and we see a bunch of mountain wind action
Franky fights Big Mouth but is eaten and rusts in the stomach (dies) big mouth sufers from indigestion and also dies.
And Robin says "..."

FF joins GallyLa and the head back to Water 7. Hattori is the new StrawHAt!!!!

[Voodzik]

@freedom:

The only way I see Usopp fighting Kaku right now is if Kaku is unfortunate enough to get one of those DF that makes you weaker. Otherwise, I think it'll be something like…

Luffy vs. Lucchi
Zoro vs. Kaku
Sanji vs. Jabura

Not sure how the others will pan out...

Why, why why are there all these people out there with no respect for usopp? BATTLE OF THE NOSES MUST OCCUR.>=( Usopp is not weak. Usopp made luffy cough up blood. Some of the theoretically toughest pirates in east blue didn't manage that much, and neither did a lot of stronger GL guys either. Plus, the long nose thing has been hyped since the beginning, you KNOW there's gonna be a showdown

[Zero]

@Voodzik:

Why, why why are there all these people out there with no respect for usopp? BATTLE OF THE NOSES MUST OCCUR.>=( Usopp is not weak. Usopp made luffy cough up blood. Some of the theoretically toughest pirates in east blue didn't manage that much, and neither did a lot of stronger GL guys either. Plus, the long nose thing has been hyped since the beginning, you KNOW there's gonna be a showdown

I agree, because Usopp left the crew with many things on his mind including the fact that he said that around monstrous powers he will just be a burden so Oda was setting up a fight for Ussop by making him feel like that and giving him some motivation to rejoin the crew if he wins against another strong enemy. If you know what im sayin…..

[Buccaneer]

Uh, which pirate in East Blue didn't make Luffy bleed? As if that's even an accomplishment.

And there's a higher chance of Kaku getting someone else anyway. Usopp isn't too weak, but he's no Sanji.

[Zero]

@Buccaneer:

Uh, which pirate in East Blue didn't make Luffy bleed?

Uh even though that was wrong I dont think that was his point. As I said the Ussop fight has been set up in a way that he has to at least "help" do something damaging in a final fight too reasure his place in the Straw hats. Feel my flavor Buc

[Ivotas]

This constantly reappearing "Usopp made Luffy bleed" argument is one hell of a bias and lacks any objectivity. With lack of objectivity the only things that get proven are personal preferences. Nothing more. It is simple as that!

[Zeefer]

Having Usopp rejoin just because he defeated a strong opponent (e.g. Kaku) would just prove true the reasoning for Usopp leaving in the first place, that you have to be strong or at least useful to be a part of the Strawhat crew, which Usopp feels he is not. I don't think this is the message Oda wants to convey. The strawhats are all about nakama and loyalty and not about how useful or strong you are.

[Ms. Suave Debonair]

@Ivotas:

This constantly reappearing "Usopp made Luffy bleed" argument is one hell of a bias and lacks any objectivity. With lack of objectivity the only things that get proven are personal preferences. Nothing more. It is simple as that!

well put. You could give Luffy some raw chicken to eat and he'd start bleeding (sure, it'll be when he goes to the toilet) but making Luffy bleed is something that should be used to determine Usopp's or indeed anyone else's strength.
As for Usopp needing to prove himself to stay in the crew, he already has done countless times. Let's not degrade to a fanboy/girl arguement people =(

[Zero]

@Ivotas:

This constantly reappearing "Usopp made Luffy bleed" argument is one hell of a bias and lacks any objectivity. With lack of objectivity the only things that get proven are personal preferences. Nothing more. It is simple as that!

Geez did you even read my post.

[Ivotas]

@Zeefer:

Having Usopp rejoin just because he defeated a strong opponent (e.g. Kaku) would just prove true the reasoning for Usopp leaving in the first place, that you have to be strong or at least useful to be a part of the Strawhat crew, which Usopp feels he is not. I don't think this is the message Oda wants to convey. The strawhats are all about nakama and loyalty and not about how useful or strong you are.

Well put. Your post actually finally made me realize why I always was feeling uncomfortable about Usopp beating a super strong opponent. It´s not because of the illogic (is that even a word?) about constantly rising strenghtlevels while guys like Zoro or Sanji take on weaklings. NO!

The reason why Usopp taking on a strong guy bothers me because Oda would deliver a very sad anti-moral with it. Usopp left the crew because he felt weak. If he now beats a super strong dude (while others take on inferior guys) and comes back to the crew then, the entire situation will always have the impression that Usopp just was considered worthy to return to the Strawhats because he is strong and not because of his personality.

That would seriously suck IMO. One Piece is so great because even the physically weak guys are worth much simply because of their character. That message would completely be replaced by the message "You´re only worth something if you´re strong" if Usopp beats Kaku. And to my personal understanding of the series, this is not One Piece.

Thank you for making me finally realize what was making me feel so uncomfortable with that Zeefer. :adore:

@Zero:

Geez did you even read my post.

Geez did you even read the second and third words of my post?

Plus it wasn´t you who brought that blood argument so what in the world made you think I was talking to you?

And on top of that if you ask a question then use a question mark.

[Zero]

@Ivotas:

:

Geez did you even read the second and third words of my post?

Plus it wasn´t you who brought that blood argument so what in the world made you think I was talking to you?

No it wasnt and I know you werent talking to me, but I pointed out that the Blood of Luffy wasnt the main focus of that guys argument and shouldnt overshadow the point that Usopps being counted out in the final battles in everybodys theorys of whos going too fight and the fact that a fight has obviously been set up for him. Do you get what im saying now King Ivatos.

[changsho]

… No, I didn't want Usopp to beat Kaku because Recta-Nose is strong... I want Usopp to beat Kaku because they both have longnoses!

It would be funny!

Lucci: Damn! I can't tell which one's which!

Seriously, there's nothing wrong about Usopp taking on Kaku. It doesn't necessarily mean "Weak vs Strong".

Usopp has a wide arrangement of long-ranged attacks. Kaku moves at incredible speed. Sniper + Moving target? Kick-ass battle, it would be...

[Ivotas]

Lol, I see your user name fits you well. Say hello to my igno list my royal subject. :laugh:

[Zero]

LOL, I thought you were wrong for ignoring me so too prove me wrong your ignoring me :D, good job King .

[Ivotas]

@changsho:

Usopp has a wide arrangement of long-ranged attacks. Kaku moves at incredible speed. Sniper + Moving target? Kick-ass battle, it would be…

I like the idea, but wouldn´t all CP9ers with their ability to perform Soru be interchangable for a Sniper + Moving target situation? <_<