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Chapter 581: "The Future is Creeping Up" Discussion
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Gosh, what a chapter! Really worth of all the waiting…! :D
Oh how I love Bepo <3I'm just wondering, when Ivankov says something like "no wonder a mind or two would collapse", was it just a saying? ...or could this be something like back then at Jaya, when Luffy and Zoro talked about Blackbeard as "them"? O____o
Ugh, forgive me my horrible english! D|
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@Doggggggiestyle:
What actual crimes did he commit?
hell, he even helped Marines in his cover story.
I'm pretty sure being a Pirate is a crime in One Piece.
Again, not saying Whitebeard was wrong but to say Ace was only a criminal in the eyes of the Marines because he was Roger's son is not true.
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@Doggggggiestyle:
What actual crimes did he commit?
hell, he even helped Marines in his cover story.
Being a pirate…
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The battle for One Piece should be
Crocodile vs Kidd.
BADASSNESS OVER 9000!!!!!!!!!!!! -
Just playing Devil's Advocate, not saying I believe what Whitebeard did was wrong.
Also, I disagree with you about Ace's only crime was that he was Roger's son. Ace's crime was that he was a Pirate and worse yet, he was a member of the Whitebeard Pirates.
Being Pirate in itself can't be a crime. Its only when you wreak havoc against the Innocent, do you deserve whats coming your awy. I mean, come on, Ace saved Marines from that burning ship. As for being a part of WB's crew, i don't see how that is a crime in itself. As it has been shown, WB was a positive influence on the sea. So many Kingdoms & Islands were safe and secure because of him.
Ace's 1 and only rime was he was Roger's son. Thats why the WG went after him even before he was born. I hope this covering up of the Lvl 6 incident backfires spectacularly on the WG. Its only a matter of time b4 those criminals are unleashing hell upon the Innocent….
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Probably just a fodder pirate that Oda decided to use to show the chaos now that Whitebeard is dead.
I doubt Oda would reveal a key character in this manner. Now, if Brownbeard's face was hidden, I would think he was a major character but I doubt he will be.
I wouldn´t say he´s a fodder pirate - oh, damn. It wasn´t stated if it was in the New World, was it? xD
If the Island were in the NW then I would have said that they can´t be fodder pirates, since otherwise they wouldn´t have made it there ^^ -
Isn't it kinda confirmed now that Lola's mom is the last Yonkou? Big Mom really sound like her.
No it hasn't been confirmed and I would't be surprised if it turned out that it wasn't Lola's mom.
@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
Just to reiterate what I said in the spoiler thread I'm hoping Brownbeard is just fodder for Teach or another badass NW pirate that's going to be taking over WB's territories.
Brownbeard looks incredibly lame to me.
I agree. I think Brownbeard will get owned by somebody, just don't know if it will be someone like Luffy or more like Blackbeard.
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Hot damn. So, even without tremendous losses from the Marine side, we're in the middle of utter chaos.
There are so many plot threads to follow and that are introduced, its absurd.
Also, I love the hypocritical nature of Apoo's argument. Mr. I'm-Going-To-Blindside-An-Admiral (which saves Hawkins) is lecturing Law on rescuing potential enemies.
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Being Pirate in itself can't be a crime. Its only when you wreak havoc against the Innocent, do you deserve whats coming your awy. I mean, come on, Ace saved Marines from that burning ship. As for being a part of WB's crew, i don't see how that is a crime in itself. As it has been shown, WB was a positive influence on the sea. So many Kingdoms & Islands were safe and secure because of him.
Ace's 1 and only rime was he was Roger's son. Thats why the WG went after him even before he was born. I hope this covering up of the Lvl 6 incident backfires spectacularly on the WG. Its only a matter of time b4 those criminals are unleashing hell upon the Innocent….
"Piracy" is a Crime.
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I hope the part where they show marines from the blue seas who aspire to become greater marines after the inspiring victory actually show up later on. I can't rely on the likes of Coby and Helemppo and Smoker is too old for that. I want to see a mini Akainu show up to be kinda like Coby's in house rival.
@mickgreen58:I agree. I think Brownbeard will get owned by somebody, just don't know if it will be someone like Luffy or more like Blackbeard.
I'm assuming that island is deeper in the NW. I could be wrong but I just think it is. So I'd say it's up for Teach to grab or possibly a new ambitious NW pirate to show up.
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I'm pretty sure being a Pirate is a crime in One Piece.
Again, not saying Whitebeard was wrong but to say Ace was only a criminal in the eyes of the Marines because he was Roger's son is not true.
But it is true. They tried to kill Rouge whilst she was pregnant with Ace. They wanted to end Roger's bloodline. That is the only reason.
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its great how sengoku seems to be a loser of his own success…. looks like he is trying all his best to be as noble as possible.... but is not being allowed by his superiors.... interesting..
I don't want moria to die... hope he pulls out somehow...
and Law has just operated upon an opponent... I wonder he left some device or something similar that he might be able to use in the future in a fight vs luffy?!?!? or was it just a way to get an ally in the new world? especially as law has this reputation of cruelty?!?!
great chapter this week.. sad that we'll have another break not next but the following week...
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Hmm…Brownbeard looks like fodder. I'm with people saying he'll be the boss for Fishman island
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Moria !!!! Survive my smiling friend!
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The battle for One Piece should be
Crocodile vs Kidd vs Doflamingo
BADASSNESS OVER 9000!!!!!!!!!!!!fixed for ya!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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the girl in the apoo crew is cuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuute:wub:
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The battle for One Piece should be
Crocodile vs Kidd.
BADASSNESS OVER 9000!!!!!!!!!!!!points at your name Nuff Said, that's gonna end up being the end result of THAT match;
- Sand Control
- Sudden bursts of killer intent
- MANLY MAKEUP
dude. this is too epic.
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Hot damn. So, even without tremendous losses from the Marine side, we're in the middle of utter chaos.
There are so many plot threads to follow and that are introduced, its absurd.
Damn right, also forgot about all the pirates that will taking to the sea now that they heard One Piece is really out there. The SH's got a lot of crap to do before they can obtain One Piece, this is making me doubt that One Piece will end in the next 10 years, we have too many open plots. Not unless Oda starts doing short arcs like AL and Thriller Bark.
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the girl in the apoo crew is cuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuute:wub:
which one? was that in Apoo's panel?
kinda saw his expression and quicklymovealong. -
You shouldn't say that, Moria will troll your hopes and dreams.
Well, I´d expect everything from Oda, but:
It was clearly stated he is seen as too weak by the government! And he´ll probably be killed by Moria if PinkyGuy doesn´t decide to take a ride to the NW on a whim :DAnd even if we SHOULD see him again in the NW, he won´t be one of the biggest threats out there :P
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Being Pirate in itself can't be a crime. Its only when you wreak havoc against the Innocent, do you deserve whats coming your awy.
So IRL, if some body says they're a terrorist and joins a terrorist group, they're not a criminal until they've actually attacked something?
I mean, come on, Ace saved Marines from that burning ship.
A good deed doesn't nullify an evil deed.
As for being a part of WB's crew, i don't see how that is a crime in itself.
Because simply being pirate is a crime
As it has been shown, WB was a positive influence on the sea. So many Kingdoms & Islands were safe and secure because of him.
Sadam Hussein was a good influence in keeping controll in Iraq too.
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Being Pirate in itself can't be a crime. Its only when you wreak havoc against the Innocent, do you deserve whats coming your awy. I mean, come on, Ace saved Marines from that burning ship. As for being a part of WB's crew, i don't see how that is a crime in itself. As it has been shown, WB was a positive influence on the sea. So many Kingdoms & Islands were safe and secure because of him.
Ace's 1 and only rime was he was Roger's son. Thats why the WG went after him even before he was born. I hope this covering up of the Lvl 6 incident backfires spectacularly on the WG. Its only a matter of time b4 those criminals are unleashing hell upon the Innocent….
I have to disagree because being a "pirate" suggest that you take part illicit activity that has been declared as a crime by the World Government.
Now we know that Pirates are as different as the the number of stars in the sky. Some are known for their cruel behavior and others are known for their benevolence.
Also, to support my argument, most Marines didn't know Ace was Roger's son and before this was revealed, there is no doubt they would have tried to apprehend him, without this knowledge for the simple fact that he is a Pirate and worse yet, a member of "the" Pirate Crew.
I wouldn´t say he´s a fodder pirate - oh, damn. It wasn´t stated if it was in the New World, was it? xD
If the Island were in the NW then I would have said that they can´t be fodder pirates, since otherwise they wouldn´t have made it there ^^I think it has to be assumed that Brownbeard was in the New World. It just really wouldn't make sense for Whitebeard to protect islands located in the Grand Line or any of the directional seas, although I could be wrong as we only really know that he protected Fishman Island, which is in the New World.
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which one? was that in Apoo's panel?
kinda saw his expression and quicklymovealong.yes.on his right
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Forgot to add, Oda doesn't give Moria a break. Wonder if once upon a time there was a fat guy with a long neck that picked on Oda growing up, and now he's taking it out on him in the manga.
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Now that this war is over, I just have a question.
Does anybody here feel that Whitebeard may have been a little bit selfish by trying to save the life of one person at the expense of thousands of people. This chapter has shown us that the Silver Medalist have not wasted any time asserting themselves in territories previously protected by Whitebeard.
So now that Whitebeard has lost, trying to save one Crew Member, he has literally endangered the lives of thousands of people.
It's because he goes to that length to save a single crewmate or his territory that people fear him and do not go after his crew or territory . If he were to say screw Ace and leave him the awe behind the WB name will go away and territories will not be safe .
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Hmm…Brownbeard looks like fodder. I'm with people saying he'll be the boss for Fishman island
Don't count on it. Although I much rther hope he is taken out in ruthless fashion. I am raelly pissed at how he insulted Epicbeard…he cut his flag in half. As WB's No.1 fan, I cannot accept such an act of besmirching WB's honor.
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I gotta say this: IN YOUR FACE, MORIA FANATICS, IN YOUR FACE :D
You, this guy, glass of wine.
Ugh.
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yeah sailing around with skull flag while DOING NOTHING BAD is totally sick.
fuck he truly is the worst
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Pirates are bad
Corrupt bureaucrats are good
Don't cha know.
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@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
I'm assuming that island is deeper in the NW. I could be wrong but I just think it is. So I'd say it's up for Teach to grab or possibly a new ambitious NW pirate to show up.
I agree with you, I think this island is in the New World. Also, I believe it will be shown later that Brownbeard gets owned by somebody. But what is interesting is that Brownbeard is referred to as "great" and has his own unique laugh.
But it is true. They tried to kill Rouge whilst she was pregnant with Ace. They wanted to end Roger's bloodline. That is the only reason.
Some Marines like Akainu felt he needed to die for that reason but the fact remains is that he was a pirate and piracy is very illegal in the world of One Piece.
Hmm…Brownbeard looks like fodder. I'm with people saying he'll be the boss for Fishman island
When has Oda ever revealed a boss of any Arc so early and show his face? I could be wrong in thinking that he has never done it but for the most part, major enemies are not revealed in this manner.
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I wish I had been wrong, but my theory of Moria's removal from the Shichibukai seems to have been right. That means if Hancock is removed theres going to be 4 open spots left. I hope to see 4 new Shichibukai then!
I was wondering how Blackbeard picked his new members, and very effectively. Strength determined their freedom. That makes the four new members even scarier then. I hope Basco Shot is one of the stronger members now. Hurray for the Bascoholics!
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also not saying that pirates are little angels but Ace really was just a pussy who did nothing bad.
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Hopefully Moria switches with Doppelman at the critical moment.
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Now that this war is over, I just have a question.
Does anybody here feel that Whitebeard may have been a little bit selfish by trying to save the life of one person at the expense of thousands of people. This chapter has shown us that the Silver Medalist have not wasted any time asserting themselves in territories previously protected by Whitebeard.
So now that Whitebeard has lost, trying to save one Crew Member, he has literally endangered the lives of thousands of people.
Maybe, but you are thinking as a "good person", you have to think it as a warrior.
1.- No one messes with whitebeard BECAUSE he reacted like this for each infraction, If he had let Ace's business slide, it became more likely that someone would attack one of his islands.
2.- Whitebeard was clossing in to the end of his life, at any moment he could have died of a heart attack, or whatever dissease forced him to hire the sexy nurse squad, it was better for him to die fighting than of sickness.
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@Doggggggiestyle:
also not saying that pirates are little angels but Ace really was just a pussy who did nothing bad.
yep but he was still a pirate….
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oh my god shut up
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Maybe, but you are thinking as a "good person", you have to think it as a warrior.
1.- No one messes with whitebeard BECAUSE he reacted like this for each infraction, If he had let Ace's business slide, it became more likely that someone would attack one of his islands.
2.- Whitebeard was clossing in to the end of his life, at any moment he could have died of a heart attack, or whatever dissease forced him to hire the sexy nurse squad, it was better for him to die fighting than of sickness.
3.- He's a pirate.1.-Agreed
2.-Agreed
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It's because he goes to that length to save a single crewmate or his territory that people fear him and do not go after his crew or territory . If he were to say screw Ace and leave him the awe behind the WB name will go away and territories will not be safe .
Agreed.
Don't count on it. Although I much rther hope he is taken out in ruthless fashion. I am raelly pissed at how he insulted Epicbeard…he cut his flag in half. As WB's No.1 fan, I cannot accept such an act of besmirching WB's honor.
I think Brownbeard gets owned by a much stronger Pirate. But Brownbeard is in the New World, so he is probably strong even though he reeks of fodder.
@Doggggggiestyle:
yeah sailing around with skull flag while DOING NOTHING BAD is totally sick.
fuck he truly is the worst
Do you really believe that is all Ace did during his career as a Pirate?
Pirates are bad
Corrupt bureaucrats are good
Don't cha know.
In reality, no, it is not that cut and dry.
But in the view of the World Government of One Piece, this is how it is. Piracy is a crime and has been for a long time.
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@Doggggggiestyle:
also not saying that pirates are little angels but Ace really was just a pussy who did nothing bad.
He beat up and impersonated a Marine officer. Two of 'em, in fact. Not to mention all the dine-an'-dashing he did as well.
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also saved couple of lives
Do you really believe that is all Ace did during his career as a Pirate?
yup.
I've actually lost a track what we are debating for, but whatever.
my points:
1. Ace was a pussy
2. did nothing really bad
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I hope Brownbeard doesn't end up being the boss for Fishman island. Just don't like the idea. Would be cool just for him to be shown attempting to take that island so when he's defeated it trumps an even stronger NW pirate.@mickgreen58:
I agree with you, I think this island is in the New World. Also, I believe it will be shown later that Brownbeard gets owned by somebody. But what is interesting is that Brownbeard is referred to as "great" and has his own unique laugh.
Yeah I noticed the laugh. Only one way to beat a unique laugh
[hide]With an even more unique one"Dereshishishishi!" Kind of a long shot that Saul has a son that's a pirate tho.[/hide]
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So do we still consider Bart Kuma a member of the Shichibukai or a member of the Pacifistas?
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Maybe, but you are thinking as a "good person", you have to think it as a warrior.
1.- No one messes with whitebeard BECAUSE he reacted like this for each infraction, If he had let Ace's business slide, it became more likely that someone would attack one of his islands.
2.- Whitebeard was clossing in to the end of his life, at any moment he could have died of a heart attack, or whatever dissease forced him to hire the sexy nurse squad, it was better for him to die fighting than of sickness.
3.- He's a pirate.3. He's the fking Pirate boss. The King of the sea.
Also, i guess this proves all of BB's crewmates are the real fking deal. They're not guys you'd wanna fuck with.
I really hope the WB pirates get their revenge on that bastard BB.
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I would still consider him a Shichibukai. He might be thought-less, but he still has a super power DF abilility. But then he is known as PX-0 as well, so not so sure :P
For me hes still a warlord just because I believe he'll somehow return to normal when a Dragon or Vegapunk related arc is upon us.
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Being Pirate in itself can't be a crime. Its only when you wreak havoc against the Innocent, do you deserve whats coming your awy. I mean, come on, Ace saved Marines from that burning ship. As for being a part of WB's crew, i don't see how that is a crime in itself. As it has been shown, WB was a positive influence on the sea. So many Kingdoms & Islands were safe and secure because of him.
Ace's 1 and only rime was he was Roger's son. Thats why the WG went after him even before he was born. I hope this covering up of the Lvl 6 incident backfires spectacularly on the WG. Its only a matter of time b4 those criminals are unleashing hell upon the Innocent….
Nop, sorry, just raising a "jolly roger" is considered a crime, marines could very well prosecute the veggie pirates back in Ussop's island.
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Maybe, but you are thinking as a "good person", you have to think it as a warrior.
1.- No one messes with whitebeard BECAUSE he reacted like this for each infraction, If he had let Ace's business slide, it became more likely that someone would attack one of his islands.
2.- Whitebeard was clossing in to the end of his life, at any moment he could have died of a heart attack, or whatever dissease forced him to hire the sexy nurse squad, it was better for him to die fighting than of sickness.
3.- He's a pirate.Agreed. I just feel sorry for all the innocent people who will suffer now that Whitebeard is dead. However, it was never really Whitebeard's job to protect them in the first place.
@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
I hope Brownbeard doesn't end up being the boss for Fishman island. Just don't like the idea. Would be cool just for him to be shown attempting to take that island so when he's defeated it trumps an even stronger NW pirate.
Yeah I noticed the laugh. Only one way to beat a unique laugh
[hide]With an even more unique one"Dereshishishishi!" Kind of a long shot that Saul has a son that's a pirate tho.[/hide]
I honestly don't think Brownbeard will. I just think Oda needed a new fodder character to show the chaos that has ensued on islands protected by Whitebeard. We don't know if Brownbeard is on Fishman Island either.