most likely ace will survive this…. and being punched by akainu he will loose his tattoo on his back.... and WB will die by end of this arc... then ace will stop being a WB pirate.... who knows he might join SH like alabasta arc but for real this time... or he may start his own new pirate crew....
Chapter 573 "The Name of this Era is 'Whitebeard'" Discussion
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He was losing the fight before that saving. But I agree… luffy would do the same thing... Difference... Luffy somehow manga to beat the people for a goal.
Ace lost the first strike, but he was perfectly fine after taking a hit of an admiral after the torture and everything.How many caharacters have stand mostly unharmed after taking an admiral hit?
And Luffy lost all his nakamas because he was an idiot that hit a tenryuubito, which made Kizaru, an enemy they dindt stand a chance, to come and catch them. He was sooo patetic that he even lost against Sentoumaru, Kizarus subordinate. And what about magellan?? So no, Luffy not always beat the people for his goal. -
Fire/Flame for Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire
Lava (from Wiki) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lava
We know that Ace's flames are Orange/red (from 525 °C to 1200 °C)
If Akainu have the full control of Lava, his logia can be a little bit hotter than Ace's fire (from 650 °C to 1600 °C)So there is no fail from Oda
Not only that. The temperature of lava is lower, but it has more heat energy than fire. Mass and density need to be considered.
An electric spark can be 4000 degrees but a person can hold a live sparking wire without even feeling the heat, simply because electrons have so little mass, and the spark doesn't have enough electric current.
Magma, and thus lava, are made of rock. A rock at 1000°C will melt your hand off if you touch it. A flame at 1000°C will burn you, but your hand is still there.
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Now that i think of it, if someone insulted Shanks in front of Luffy he'd have the same reaction i think (cf Garp and Luffy dialogue at water seven). So it's normal for Ace to react like this.
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Ace lost the first strike, but he was perfectly fine after taking a hit of an admiral after the torture and everything.How many caharacters have stand mostly unharmed after taking an admiral hit?
And Luffy lost all his nakamas because he was an idiot that hit a tenryuubito, which made Kizaru, an enemy they dindt stand a chance, to come and catch them. He was sooo patetic that he even lost against Sentoumaru, Kizarus subordinate. And what about magellan?? So no, Luffy not always beat the people for his goal.Well yeah you arer right… but i hope next chapter will be a suprise and Ace will burn more than ever
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Thanks for the chapter!
Did any previous chapters confirm that Akainu is a logia? Could he be a Magma paramecia?
THIS IS RIDICULOUS!!!!! they confirm it and you still question it get out now, NOW!!!!
it was obvious without even seeing his power that he was going to be a logia, then they show luffy punching through him, and now this and people still doubt it i mean he said it clearly this is the same damn thing with haki ARRGGH!!!
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Ace, you fucking idiot.
What? Luffy is the one who got Ace tag blasted by Red Dog. Luffy got Ace Ko'd, such a weakling.
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Why Luffy didn't used Buggy as a scapegoat again?????
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This was an exciting chapter! ^^
Never expected for Akainu to step in, and insult Whitebeard like that. Seems Akianu really doesn't like pirates at all. Also, never expected magma to be Ace's weakness.
Another thing is that the cameras are back on, thanks to Buggy. Also, with the camera back on, the world will find out in someway, that Whitebeard never betrayed his comrades.
Lastly, I don't know if Ace will die or not, I'm 50/50 on it. I think it could go either way, Ace lives or he dies. -
Im glad the idiot Ace finally died.Hell I hope he stays dead once and for all this time.Its not like he is being any use to his friends at all rather than being the bait in the trap 24/7.
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What? Luffy is the one who got Ace tag blasted by Red Dog. Luffy got Ace Ko'd, such a weakling.
Hopefully this arc can be saved once Blackbeard shows up.of course if only luffy had used substitution no jutsu everything would have been fine right
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Hey is it just me or is the reason that Akainu's fist nearly killed Ace primarily because Ace intentionally took the hit to stop his fist?
If Ace didn't solidify at some point Akainu just would have gone right through him and killed Luffy.
Ace intentionally stayed in solid form to stop Akainu's fist from killing Luffy. Akainu's fist is so powerful it just most likely one hit KOd Ace. Ace isn't just defenseless he had to make a choice between taking severe damage or letting his brother get fucked up while his brother was defenseless.
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Also i hear people saying ace fall for akainu bait which is true, but someone had to stop him. Akainu right now want both ace and luffy dead. He no longer cares about WB .
He say that crap to ace cause he want to kill him ,if ace did not step up someone would have to stop him away and how many people right now on WB side can stop akainu from coming at them.
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If Ace didn't solidify at some point Akainu just would have gone right through him and killed Luffy.
Ace intentionally stayed in solid form to stop Akainu's fist from killing Luffy. Akainu's fist is so powerful it just most likely one hit KOd Ace. Ace isn't just defenseless he had to make a choice between taking severe damage or letting his brother get fucked up while his brother was defenseless.
I didnt think of that but it seems probable that thats what happened.Also anyone know who Brenheim is?
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He say that crap to ace cause he want to kill him ,if ace did not step up someone would have to stop him away and how many people right now on WB can stop akainu from coming at them.
Did ace stopped akainu? Or did akainu almost killed ace? How is that stopping akainu?
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Did ace stopped akainu? Or did akainu almost killed ace? How is that stopping akainu?
Akainu almost kill ace cause luffy fell down on ground cause he was dead tired. If not for luffy ace would gotten away with few burns . Akainu went and attack luffy cause he knew there was nothing he could done to save him self.
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Ya know, I realize that after this war the battlefield is probably surrounded by a lot of fire.
I wonder if that'll play into the next few chapters somehow.
Yes, Crocodile will turn to glass. xD
As for Ace.. Oda hasn't killed anyone important in ~550 chapters, I don't see him killing two major characters together. And since Whitebeard is already done for, Ace will survive. Plus, to try and justify it, he definitely didn't completely solidify there or Luffy would be covered in his guts. He probably just solidified and tightened around Akainu's arm (heh) so when Akainu pulls out (heh) Ace will have two round burns in the front and back, along with several internal burns. Otherwise he'd be dead instantly and he isn't.
And of course let's not forget the classic argument: even Pell survived.
On another note, lightning is supposed to be up to 30 times hotter than fire and magma. Does that mean Enel could "burn" both Ace and Akainu?:blink: (I most certainly hope so..)
Ever since his stay at Impel Down Portgay D. Ass loves to be fisted.
Portgas D. Gayce perhaps? Sounds good too.
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It's not irrational Ace hate if he's being a fucking moron. Akainu intentionally goaded Ace into sticking around and the thin-skinned bastard took the bait, ending up with a hole where his stomach should be.
Considering this is possibly the last moment he will ever see the man he called "father" alive, I'm willing to cut him some slack for getting pissed at Akainu.
I swear some people have the attention span of flies around here.
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It's possible because onemanga doesn't give a rat's ass about quality. I mean, go read their new Naruto chapter. It's quite the piece of work.
on my way.
If you read it for fun (to laugh at) than lower the quality more likely the increase in laughter as well
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It's possible because onemanga doesn't give a rat's ass about quality. I mean, go read their new Naruto chapter. It's quite the piece of work.
Just did, it's pretty well done actually.
Tell me: if they didn't care about quality, why did they put up a new version?
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Exactly, but they like to point out Ace to make it seem Luffy wouldn't do the same crap. Do you think if it was Zoro or Ace who said "I will hold them back" instead of WB Luffy would be leaving so quick. GTFO
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That's not even comparable.
The tenryuubito had shot Hachi and was about to finish him off.Marguerite was about to be killed off on Boa's orders.
Luffy would never react the way Ace did to taunts.
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Yes, Crocodile will turn to glass. xD
As for Ace.. Oda hasn't killed anyone important in ~550 chapters, I don't see him killing two major characters together. And since Whitebeard is already done for, Ace will survive. Plus, to try and justify it, he definitely didn't completely solidify there or Luffy would be covered in his guts. He probably just solidified and tightened around Akainus arm (heh) so when Akainu pulls out (heh) Ace will have two round burns in the front and back, along with several internal burns. Otherwise he'd be dead instantly and he isn't.
And of course let's not forget the classic argument: even Pell survived.
On another note, lightning is supposed to be up to 30 times hotter than fire and magma. Does that mean Enel could "burn" both Ace and Akainu?:blink: (I most certainly hope so..)
Portgas D. Gayce perhaps? Sounds good too.
This one is good… Thought about that as well but couldn't find the right words for it with my bad english.
That + the theory of the heat of the lava will make's Ace fire stronger would be amazing
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Luffy would never react the way Ace did to taunts.
Probably cos Luffy doesn't have anyone comparable to what WB is to Ace.
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Just did, it's pretty well done actually.
Tell me: if they didn't care about quality, why did they put up a new version?
You're right, they did put up a new version. That's my mistake, then. Onemanga rarely updates bad scans. The fact that they did this time is a testament to just how awful that scan was.
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of course if only luffy had used substitution no jutsu everything would have been fine right
Better than sitting their like an emo dummy that Luffy is.
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Ace dying after getting soul punched by Akainu, would be the best part of this whole war arc, I say this not because I hate Ace, but it would be a major twist to what has been a fairly predictable story arc. Not too mention it would set up a deeper enmity between Luffy and the Marines.
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Did ace stopped akainu? Or did akainu almost killed ace? How is that stopping akainu?
because his body's stopping the fist from moving forward, kinda obvious…. no one say anything i know your all thinking something perverted
Better than sitting their like an emo dummy that Luffy is.
You've seem to forgoten what happened he's exhausted HE COULDN'T MOVE!!!! not that he didn't want to he's just too tired and lost a lot of blood
@WarcoW:Probably cos Luffy doesn't have anyone comparable to what WB is to Ace.
Shanks?
@Red:
Ace dying after getting soul punched by Akainu, would be the best part of this whole war arc, I say this not because I hate Ace, but it would be a major twist to what has been a fairly predictable story arc. Not too mention it would set up a deeper enmity between Luffy and the Marines.
Now he will become like sasuke seeking reveng plunging into THE DARKNESS!!! @Flagg1982:
That's not even comparable.
The tenryuubito had shot Hachi and was about to finish him off.Marguerite was about to be killed off on Boa's orders.
Luffy would never react the way Ace did to taunts.
remember shanks…. FIRST FREAKING CHAPTER!!!!!
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Why Luffy didn't used Buggy as a scapegoat again?????
'cause buggy doesn't deserve to die.
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Shanks?
I don't think so but we'd have to wait till Shanks is dying and someone badmouths him then.
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because his body's stopping the fist from moving forward, kinda obvious…. no one say anything i know your all thinking something perverted
Ace and luffy are on the marines top list of most wanted dead pirates. Now you guys are arguing that ace stopped akainu by using his own body ending with a hole in the belly? That's not what i call stopping.
The next move if nothing happens will leave luffy with more than just 4 holes…He did stopped akainu from killing luffy. But he didn't stop akainu generally from ending the pirates escape attempt.
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I didnt think of that but it seems probable that thats what happened…
Ace moved himself in front of Akainu to be Luffy's shield. If he doesn't solidify himself then he loses the essential property of a shield. Was it really that hard to grasp? :unsure:
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Ace and luffy are on the marines top list of most wanted dead pirates. Now you guys are arguing that ace stopped akainu by using his own body ending with a hole in the belly? That's not what i call stopping.
The next move if nothing happens will leave luffy with more than just 4 holes…He did stopped akainu from killing luffy. But he didn't stop akainu generally from ending the pirates escape attempt.
HE WAS JUST TRYING TO SAVE HIS BROTHER!!!!!
THAT'S IT YOU PROVED MY POINT
was it in vain probably but it was a good scene and IT'S A MANGA
EDIT: I'm not really mad just trying to get my point across
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on my way.
If you read it for fun (to laugh at) than lower the quality more likely the increase in laughter as well
It got replaced, but here are a few highlights from the one they had up earlier.
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[/hide]In other news, mangastream has the new OP chapter up.
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Probably cos Luffy doesn't have anyone comparable to what WB is to Ace.
Well, Luffy's relationship with Garp is kinda similar.
I even get the feeling that Garp will retire after this battle is over, because his era is over as surely as Whitebeard's is. While he could still teach Coby and Helmeppo a lot, they both have become self-reliant enough that they no longer need him
@Red:
Ace dying after getting soul punched by Akainu, would be the best part of this whole war arc, I say this not because I hate Ace, but it would be a major twist to what has been a fairly predictable story arc. Not too mention it would set up a deeper enmity between Luffy and the Marines.
The chances of Ace dying are 0%
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that's not what i'm arguing.
are you arguing did it make sense because he'll just attack again ell at least he'll have a chance to dodge if he didn't luffy would be dead it's just which path looked worse kind of thing
EDIT: it was a spur of the moment thing you act like he had a couple minutes to think about it when truly one second less luffy's dead
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Ace moved himself in front of Akainu to be Luffy's shield. If he doesn't solidify himself then he loses the essential property of a shield. Was it really that hard to grasp? :unsure:
I thought that he just came in front of luffy and that his body did the usual logia stuff but Akainu magma hurt him but ya that was kinda stupid not to realise.
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are you arguing did it make sense because he'll just attack again ell at least he'll have a chance to dodge if he didn't luffy would be dead it's just which path looked worse kind of thing
I'm arguing that akainus goal was to kill luffy or ace or both. Right now he apparently succeed in severly injuring ace. The next one is luffy and that's not what i understand under stopping akainu.
Stopping him would be hinder him in succeeding at what he wants to achieve. That's not the case here.
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I'm arguing that akainus goal was to kill luffy or ace or both. Right now he apparently succeed in severly injuring ace. The next one is luffy and that's not what i understand under stopping akainu.
Stopping him would be hinder him in succeeding at what he wants to achieve. That's not the case here.
…..... i'm tired of arguing i don't even understand your point so we will just leave it as a agree to disagree thing K'
EDIT: ugh can't stop bolded the part I'm talking about
he stoped luffy from dying if only for two seconds how can you not see that
Okay there i've said my last comment I am done going for a walk
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…..... i'm tired of arguing i don't even understand your point so we will just leave it as a agree to disagree thing K'
Akainu wants luffy and ace and all the pirates dead.
Ace is almost dead from akainus punch.
Akainu wasn't stopped. Ace is almost dead which is what he wants. Next one would be luffy if nothing happens.
It's not that hard to comprehend.
You're only taking into consideration the main character. He even said it in this chapter so…
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Its not like Ace had time to think about the consequences.He knew he coudnt defeat Akainu and so the only thing was to become a human sheild.
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Akainu wasn't stopped. Ace is almost dead which is what he wants. Next one would be luffy if nothing happens.
What do you mean Akainu wasn't stopped? The punch was aimed at Luffy. If he wasn't stopped then he would have just hit Luffy.
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A really good chapter. Luffy and Ace will probably be helped by other white beard crew as Jinbei fights Akainu. I want to see White Beard one last time. But really good chapter. Even though I think I might be wrong, I think the Biblicard is really conected to White Beard some how. But that's just my imagintion on the last one. Very good chapter and can't wait for the next chaper.
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remember shanks…. FIRST FREAKING CHAPTER!!!!!
Yeah that's when Luffy learned this valuable lesson.
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What do you mean Akainu wasn't stopped? The punch was aimed at Luffy. If he wasn't stopped then he would have just hit Luffy.
I'm saying that technically regarding what he has in mind akainu is on the way to succeed. He tried to kill luffy. But he also had in mind to kill ace, Why just limiting ourself to think he was stopped he was stopped….
He wants both dead and ace is almost done. That's what i call success...
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Akainu: But no matter what we sure as hell won't let the two brothers slip away.Then he attacks luffy. Ace jumps in and got burned pretty badly. It was a win move by akainu. He would have killed luffy. But he got Ace which is like PERFECT. Cause that's what he was also trying anyway.... You seriously think he didn't think about ace trying to stop him? He is an admiral and a brilliant one...
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Now he will become like sasuke seeking reveng plunging into THE DARKNESS!!!
Only if Oda takes the lazy route to writing.
The chances of Ace dying are 0%
Sadly, I agree.
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I'm saying that technically regarding what he has in mind akainu is on the way to succeed. He tried to kill luffy. But he also had in mind to kill ace, Why just limiting ourself to think he was stopped he was stopped….
Because right now I'm just arguing that his strike for Luffy was stopped. I never argued that his aim is not to finish both Ace AND Luffy.
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Hmm, I just realized that this would be the perfect opportunity for Luffy to do a Han Solo. Only instead of getting frozen in carbonite, he gets encased in lava. That should put him out long enough for the others to catch up with him and if there is to be a timeskip it would be rather fitting. And there's even that old theory of Luffy's DF getting an upgrade by the rubber getting vulcanized. I don't know whether it's the same in japanese, but in english that would be a fitting play of words.
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Because right now I'm just arguing that his strike for Luffy was stopped. I never argued that his aim is to finish both Ace AND Luffy.
And i argue the second one. We have different issues. If you read my post that's exactly what i'm trying to explain. I got your and choppermans point. But that's not what i thought about the whole situation. Or let's say i have a different view on that whole scene.