@MagneticMonkey:
Oh yes you are. But:
No I'm not. And if you're only gonna quote one thing when I took the trouble to reply to your whole post, you might as well not reply at all.
So why are you assuming anything related to them if we haven't seen enough yet? Your best argument is "use common sense guys"? Mine is "lay back and wait before making assumptions on how stronger the admirals are physically compared to luffy". I'm highly amused by anyone who lays out of the window stating things left and right only to end up with "we'll see!"
**You do realize that what you just said makes absolutely no sense, right? The top-tiers so far have shown us only a fraction of their power, and it's already far above anything Luffy can do. Again, I am not making assumptions. We have seen with our own eyes in this very battle the Admirals fighting people hundreds of times stronger than Luffy. They ARE physically stronger than Luffy.
It also seems you didn't read my post right. I never said "Let's wait and see", I never even hinted at that.**
And about the tekkai part: i was talking about marigold blocking luffys kick.
I don't feel like going into pages of argument against your assumptions. It's not like i would gain anything from it. All will be revealed soon enough by Oda and then we can discuss it with more facts.
I know what you were talking about. I just proved that you were wrong, tekkai is not a haki thing. Otherwise we'd have seen tekkai in this war at some point and it wouldn't be part of the Marine's secret art.
@pwnobi:
I have to agree with Mister Anbu, and say you're getting reaction time mixed up with speed. I agree Luffy is not at admiral level, I never said he was, just support that with evidence, or at least things that have a strong logical backing, not things like "They're all much better than him in every category." Such as speed, which I called you on, and you now admit there is no evidence for. It seems like everyone's jumping on you for this though, so I don't really have to say anything else. Moving on…
**I am not getting reaction time mixed up with speed, I don't see how you guys keep on mixing this up.
First of all, I supplied you clear cut evidence. You, however, refuse to accept it at all. You didn't even try to explain why it's wrong, you just keep on saying it's not evidence without a real reason as to why you think that.
Again, top-tiers can both react to and manage to attack a lightman. This is evidence right there of their speed.**
@Mister_Anbu:
No, your "evidence" is just speculation. And sure, there's no proof the Yonkou is stronger than Luffy either. For all you know, one of them is an old hag ready to drop dead, but just has a bunch of strong ass subordinates.
And the top tiers? We haven't seen Akainu or Aokiji face off against Kizaru, which is what we've been arguing.
Sure, I agree with you that Luffy is nowhere near them. But speed and power are different issues. Who do I think is faster? Probably Aokiji and Akainu. I'm just saying you have absolutely no proof to support such a claim.
**Oh go, are you being serious here? FYI the unknown Yonkou is stronger than Luffy.
Do you think Kizaru would own them like he owns Luffy? Of course now, that' be absurd. To be on his level, the other two have to be able to react to and attack him.** Speed and power are related, just like all other physical aspects.
@Ryuksgelus:
Even focused there main defense against Kizaru's speed is their Logia abilities. Only real defense I see for Aokiji is too set his body so
And you base this one what exactly? Marco, Whitebeard and Rayleigh have all reacted to Kizaru just fine. Rayleigh an Marco even managed to tag him.
I think both have better perceptive abilities but aren't beating Luffy in a race. Its like the M.trio vs. CP9. People think Luffy was faster than Blueno during their fight because he hit him. Not realizing he never chased Blueno down, simply saw where Blueno was attacking or going and aiming for those spots. Sanji did the same thing while Zoro mostly just counter attacked when Kaku went offense, not doing to much to memory in chasing him down when Kaku wanted to get away(like when he got his swords).
**Luffy is faster than Blueno, just not for the reason you stated.
But see, the thing is, we're talking about people on a similar level. Kaku is faster than Zoro, but they were still both of a similar level. Yeah, perception and reaction ability can allow you to fight someone faster than you, but when the gap between opponents becomes as big as Luffy and the top-tiers, just having really good reaction speed isn't gonna help you.**
People like Jimbei, Garp, Sengoku, WB, Rayleigh, Marco, even Vista vs. G2 Luffy would go the same way as M.Trio vs. CP9. Mihawk's little fight with Luffy showed us how perceptive abilities(not necessarily Haki in his case) can deal with decent speed. In complete total control of that fight.
**Those guys vs Luffy would all result in Luffy dying before he could blink.
Mihawk didn't use super speed, that doesn't mean he's isn't capable of it. Contrary to popular belief, there is a correlation between movement and reaction speed.**
@GaaraofTheDesert:
Catching up with someone's speed is different than being faster than him. Zoro never reached Kaku's speed level but he managed to beat him. I also didnt see WB moving like a lighting or anything. So yes Luffy being faster than Akainu and Ao Kiji is really possible.
**Luffy being faster than the Admirals is absolutely ridiculous.
Oda isn't going to say "Hey, I'm gonna make these guys 100X better than Luffy in every way possible buuuuuuut I'm going to make him faster for the hell of it lulz."**