No the sea king would attack them , the only reason sea kings don't attack the marines battle ship is because of the season stone and thats not 100% safe .
Who said otherwise. What the fuck. You're absolutely derailed now lol.
No the sea king would attack them , the only reason sea kings don't attack the marines battle ship is because of the season stone and thats not 100% safe .
Who said otherwise. What the fuck. You're absolutely derailed now lol.
If Kreig can make it across the Calm Belt albeit in shit shape I'm sure Blackbeard could make it with a Marine ship easily.
lol what do you mean "in time for the war". The war was triggered by Teach, he had all the time in the world to steal one of those ships, and they are all over the Grand Line.
What is trivial is the method for getting the ship, he went through too much trouble to get his position for his purpose to be just "getting the ship in this specific place instead of the million others where it would be ridiculously easy". Hence why I'm saying thinking that was his only purpose is extremely retarded.
How much do we know about these ships, exactly? We know the marines have them, yes, but how well the marines protect them isn't all around clear. However, we do know that thanks to this trick he got into Impel Down without getting into a sea battle.
On top of it, why are you making all this emphasis on the trouble of getting his position. He beat a strong pirate and got his role, that's just one move with some sea travel in between. Meanwhile, to get to Impel Down he'd need to steal a sea stone boat from what's most likely a sea fleet, kill all the marines while keeping the ship in sailing condition, while avoiding marine pursuit until he reaches Impel Down, which he'd then have to fight a prepared Gaol since the marines could warn them depending on how well they track them. He certainly has the power to do this, but is it really that easy?
Just because he loses his position quickly doesn't mean he doesn't use it well, and just because he didn't squeeze every advantage from it doesn't mean it was a waste. I have to ask, what more is Blackbeard going to use that position for after killing WB and making his army of pirates?
Edit: Oh, now you're going on about using a normal ship. Great. Yeah, BB is strong not it's a pretty big fact that fighting hundreds of sea kings is never easy. That'd be more trouble then anything BB did to reach the place using the way we had seen. Taking a 100 million berri pirate as per BB original plan would have been much easier then that.
@Karate:
All these things he could do without doing some ridiculous feat like becoming Shichibukai.
And when the hell was that last bit EVER said.
AND your ignoring that they didn't come on a ship escorted, the Marines reported the ship missing and it shows up anonymously at Impel Down, no one knew Blackbeard was involved until it was too late.
And lastly tell us what the fuck magic eternal life elixer it is you think is at the bottom of Impel Down or whatever cryptic gay reason people keep making this dumb argument in any dicussion about the place.
What ever is in ID . BB think when he get it , he going to shock the world. We just have find out what it is.
On top of it, why are you making all this emphasis on the trouble of getting his position. He beat a strong pirate and got his role, that's just one move with some sea travel in between.
I've noticed a trend that many of the bad arguments in this thread revolve around very bad conception of the One Piece world and it's various powers ands forth.
"yeah he just rode a bot a plaece and beat up the third in command for the strongest pirate crewa nd tougehst guys in the world, s'all"
Meanwhile, to get to Impel Down he'd need to steal a sea stone boat from what's most likely a sea fleet,
No he wouldn't, we've seen quite a few by themselves already, Garp's ship was alone, and so was the mission to Amazon Lilly, there's no fleet problem at all. Easy as pie.
kill all the marines while keeping the ship in sailing condition,
How is this hard for Blackbeard, he can just suck them up and blast them off the ship.
Van Auger could even pick them off from literally a mile or so away.
while avoiding marine pursuit until he reaches Impel Down,
Same way he did it this time.
which he'd then have to fight a prepared Gaol since the marines could warn them depending on how well they track them. He certainly has the power to do this, but is it really that easy?
You can beleive that is too hard for him, but somehow you conceptualize becoming Shichibukai like a basic errand lol.
Just because he loses his position quickly doesn't mean he doesn't use it well,
Except that he hasn't?
and just because he didn't squeeze every advantage from it doesn't mean it was a waste.
What the hell advantages has he taken.
I have to ask, what more is Blackbeard going to use that position for after killing WB and making his army of pirates?
I ask you what he's done with it so far.
What ever is in ID . BB think when he get it , he going to shock the world. We just have find out what it is.
You can't theorize on empty bullshit like this, get outta here moron.
@Karate:
You can't theorize on empty bullshit like this, get outta here moron.
Okay i am theorize on some thing that was said in the manga. what the hell is wrong with you . If BB say he going to do some big after he get into ID why can't i theorize on it . Hell half talk in last few pages about it. You seem to have a problem and if you can' talk people with out get angry you should calm down.
Okay i am not theorize anything it was said in the manga. what the hell is wrong with you
No, YOU think there is something in Impel Down that is worth a Shichibukai position (that he could access anyway).
@Karate:
Same way he did it this time.
Yes, when he wasn't a famous pirate and no one was looking for him. Stealing a ship, especially from a vice admiral as you seem to suggest, it's low key. More VAs would come especially since they know he could kill one.
You can beleive that is too hard for him, but somehow you conceptualize becoming Shichibukai like a basic errand lol.
Clearly the standards here are skewed, yes. That's where this whole argument lies. I for one think the "use a normal boat and fight your way through plan" has a few more uncertainties then what Blackbeard actually did. And remember, BB originally would have used a 100 million pirate to get shichibukai status, meaning he wouldn't have had to struggle with Ace. It's a little easier then some people are making it out to be, cause c'mon, we know this guy could kill a bunch of 100 million pirates easy.
Except that he hasn't?
What the hell advantages has he taken.
I ask you what he's done with it so far.
WELL, we're know when the story cuts back to them. Duh.
Does anyone think he went to Impel Down for nothing?
Also…
@Karate:
No, YOU think there is something in Impel Down that is worth a Shichibukai position (that he could access anyway).
YES! Why can't people grasp that Blackbeard might not value the shichibukai position at all, expect as a means to an end. A stepping stone in fact. No one wants to be a shichibukai, they want the WG off their back long enough for them to get an advantage. BB's just showed up quicker then expected. That was one of the points of that chapter, that BB was risking his title so fast!
Ha, I remember back when people theorized that an ancient weapon was in Impel Down. While that was a dumb idea, why can't there be something else there he wants? That idea alone is pretty plausible considering the type of people there.
How much do we know about these ships, exactly? We know the marines have them, yes, but how well the marines protect them isn't all around clear. However, we do know that thanks to this trick he got into Impel Down without getting into a sea battle.
We know it's the way the Marines move from the Blue Sea to the Grand Line, so they have to be very common.
On top of it, why are you making all this emphasis on the trouble of getting his position. He beat a strong pirate and got his role, that's just one move with some sea travel in between. Meanwhile, to get to Impel Down he'd need to steal a sea stone boat from what's most likely a sea fleet, kill all the marines while keeping the ship in sailing condition, while avoiding marine pursuit until he reaches Impel Down, which he'd then have to fight a prepared Gaol since the marines could warn them depending on how well they track them. He certainly has the power to do this, but is it really that easy?
So you're saying becoming one of the seven people who conform an entire world power is easier than stealing a rather common ship filled with fodder. Okay. I'll refrain from insults, but damn.
Just because he loses his position quickly doesn't mean he doesn't use it well, and just because he didn't squeeze every advantage from it doesn't mean it was a waste. I have to ask, what more is Blackbeard going to use that position for after killing WB and making his army of pirates?
He hasn't used it for basically anything yet. Him losing his position would be fucking stupid.
Edit: Oh, now you're going on about using a normal ship. Great. Yeah, BB is strong not it's a pretty big fact that fighting hundreds of sea kings is never easy. That'd be more trouble then anything BB did to reach the place using the way we had seen. Taking a 100 million berri pirate as per BB original plan would have been much easier then that.
Never said anything about Blackbeard using a normal ship, I was just quoting the manga on the time the trip would take because this andy doofus was implying it would take years or something when it's only a week from AL.
We know it's the way the Marines move from the Blue Sea to the Grand Line, so they have to be very common.
So you're saying becoming one of the seven people who conform an entire world power is easier than stealing a rather common ship filled with fodder. Okay. I'll refrain from insults, but damn.He hasn't used it for basically anything yet. Him losing his position would be fucking stupid.
Never said anything about Blackbeard using a normal ship, I was just quoting the manga on the time the trip would take because this andy doofus was implying it would take years or something when it's only a week from AL.
No you seem to think that BB becoming a warlord has not do with getting into ID . When manga show it is .. He wanted to be a warlord in part of his plan , the next part we see in him breaking to ID and next part he only saying he going to shock the world.
Plus when croc ask him the question he said it was all part of his plan. He did not say no but that what it sound like to me.
You think he could gotten in ID without be a warlord so it not a big deal.
Well there not much else you could do with it other than not get chase by the marines that seem so great.
Hmm maybe one of the pirates that BB will recruit from ID have information regarding something of use to him? Bottomline is that I don't see any future plans (postwar/death of WB) of BB requiring Shichibukai status.
We know it's the way the Marines move from the Blue Sea to the Grand Line, so they have to be very common.
So you're saying becoming one of the seven people who conform an entire world power is easier than stealing a rather common ship filled with fodder. Okay. I'll refrain from insults, but damn.
I think capturing a 100 million pirate for Blackbeard is a little easier then killing the fodder army, THEN sailing to Impel Down with the Marines on your back, yes. BB might be strong, but a ship can be shot down after all. And since it occurs to me that the only people we've seen with the sea stone ships are Vice Admirals, I imagine the marines would use more then one Vice Admiral after that.
But with the current method, BB got invited to Marineford and stole a ship.
Also, for the sake of all the children that may at one point inhabit this board, yes, refrain from insults. Set an example, be the bigger man. People will respect you for it.
I have to ask, what more is Blackbeard going to use that position for after killing WB and making his army of pirates?
How about the immunity and support he gets from the WG? If he wants to take Whitebeard's place as the dominant power in the New World then he's going to need help.
How about the immunity and support he gets from the WG? If he wants to take Whitebeard's place as the dominant power in the New World then he's going to need help.
Him just killing the strongest man in the world is going to do that . Why would the marines help make another WB. Being a warlord makes the marines give you immunity they don't support you. The warlords are the one who support the marines and get free pass for the crimes . It don't work both ways.
How about the immunity and support he gets from the WG? If he wants to take Whitebeard's place as the dominant power in the New World then he's going to need help.
Now, that's just wimpy. No offense to you, but that's the weak alternative that I keep seeing people suggest over and over, like these people are afraid to get hurt or soemthing. The WG won't let him keep his pirate army first of all, no way that's happening. Second, he doesn't get "support" from the WG except an occasional shichibukai friend, these guys fight pirates mostly on their own.
See, what I dislike about "stays a shichibukai idea" is that it's the path of compromise and no conflict. Like everyone's too afraid to fight, and assume that Blackbeard is that way too. I keep thinking of that Canadian movie from Family guy. "I don't want to hurt you, so I won't. The End!" It's absolutely boring. Why wouldn't Blackbeard fight when he has the advantage? (assuming, after he's done with Impel Down, now I'm off to work. Lata!)
I think capturing a 100 million pirate for Blackbeard is a little easier then killing the fodder army, THEN sailing to Impel Down with the Marines on your back, yes. BB might be strong, but a ship can be shot down after all. And since it occurs to me that the only people we've seen with the sea stone ships are Vice Admirals, I imagine the marines would use more then one Vice Admiral after that.
But with the current method, BB got invited to Marineford and stole a ship.
So when he stole the ship at Marineford he didn't "kill the fodder army, and THEN sailed to Impel Down with the Marines on his back"? He just "stole it" in front of everyone and merrily left. You're ignoring the fact that both methods of obtaining the vessel are essentially the same, just one involves the highly difficult and incredibly unlikely task of becoming a world power and the other doesn't. Becoming a warlord didn't provide him any advantage whatsoever in the process of stealing the ship and evading pursuit.
Him just killing the strongest man in the world is going to do that .
So Blackbeard doesn't have to worry Shanks, Kaidou, and the other Emperor?
In case you forgot, Whitebeard has 3 peers.
So when he stole the ship at Marineford he didn't "kill the fodder army, and THEN sailed to Impel Down with the Marines on his back"? He just "stole it" in front of everyone and merrily left. You're ignoring the fact that both methods of obtaining the vessel are essentially the same, just one involves the highly difficult and incredibly unlikely task of becoming a world power and the other doesn't. Becoming a warlord didn't provide him any advantage whatsoever in the process of stealing the ship and evading pursuit.
Well it don't look like he had marines on his back.Plus it came as shock to head of the marines when they found out about it. Also the time it takes to get ID from marineford is much shorter. Days compare to just few hours is more than a advantage.
When the head of the marines found out about it he was already there . So from marineford to ID has to be very short . Now matter what after becoming a warlord part of his plan was getting into ID.
So Blackbeard doesn't have to worry Shanks, Kaidou, and the other Emperor?
In case you forgot, Whitebeard has 3 peers.
Of course he does , but WG is not going go to help him with that , if anything they going do it for there self. If BB goes and fight any of those guys marines won't be give him any support . It would have to be another war like this one on the marines terms. Being a warlord it not going to save you in the NW and the marines are not going to help BB find the OP and become the next PK.
Plus the marines are not going to let BB get as strong as a emperor knowing he can back stab them any time. This is guy who betray them already if they see him getting to big they going try and crush him.
Why wouldn't Blackbeard fight when he has the advantage? (assuming, after he's done with Impel Down, now I'm off to work. Lata!)
What advantage? Assuming he and his army gang up on WB after he's been weakened (which is the only way I can see BB's group winning) it's quite possible the fodder in BB's army will be wiped out in the process, leaving only a select few intact.
So, what advantage would he have over the Marines and Emperors in this scenario?
What advantage? Assuming he and his army gang up on WB after he's been weakened (which is the only way I can see BB's group winning) it's quite possible the fodder in BB's army will be wiped out in the process, leaving only a select few intact.
So, what advantage would he have over the Marines and Emperors in this scenario?
Well if BB is the anti luffy i don't see him having a big crew it going to be small like luffy but everyone going to be very strong .
Plus it also depends on how strong you think BB is .
Yes, when he wasn't a famous pirate and no one was looking for him. Stealing a ship, especially from a vice admiral as you seem to suggest, it's low key. More VAs would come especially since they know he could kill one.
What makes you think they would have this kind of idea of what occurred. You're talking like everyone aboard would be able to contact HQ or some such. The Marines probably wouldn't even realize something was wrong until Blackbeard arrived at Impel Down, they don't have tracking devices on these damn things.
Clearly the standards here are skewed, yes. That's where this whole argument lies. I for one think the "use a normal boat and fight your way through plan" has a few more uncertainties then what Blackbeard actually did.
I'm speaking strictly with him hijacking a marine ship.
And remember, BB originally would have used a 100 million pirate to get shichibukai status,
What makes you think Luffy was the only person he intended to capture, that a 100 berry pirate equals instant Shichi status.
We can clearly assume Ace is worth more then Luffy is even now.
meaning he wouldn't have had to struggle with Ace. It's a little easier then some people are making it out to be, cause c'mon, we know this guy could kill a bunch of 100 million pirates easy.
So you're actually dumb enough to think Shichibukai has a 100 berry price tag, something so simple that Kizaru nearly did eight times at once with minimal effort.
WELL, we're know when the story cuts back to them. Duh.
Does anyone think he went to Impel Down for nothing?
Also…
The difference between you and us is you guys are making a claim of the value of what he has gone there to do, based off nothing but itself.
YES! Why can't people grasp that Blackbeard might not value the shichibukai position at all, expect as a means to an end.
A phantom end that you people have pulled out of your asses.
A end that you worthlessly claim would be impossible to do without the position when it's really quite possible.
BB's just showed up quicker then expected. That was one of the points of that chapter, that BB was risking his title so fast!
It really wasn't at all!
Ha, I remember back when people theorized that an ancient weapon was in Impel Down. While that was a dumb idea, why can't there be something else there he wants? That idea alone is pretty plausible considering the type of people there.
The problem is what the fuck would it be that he would be tossing away the position for.
The only things on that level would be roughly as stupid as the Ancient weapons you're ironically scoffing at.
It wasn't at all? Why did part of the chapter focus on Crocodile questioning BB's motives motives?
Thinking back to when WB wanted to become a Warlord . Now if you read chapter 544 BB was telling luffy , he was going to catch him and become a warlord because he found out he was one that beat croc. Which would prove him slef to the marines.
Then he says that he don't care anymore since he already become one and luffy should thanks ace or he would been one to die and that fate on his side. remember that BB ask Ace to join his crew.
Now in this same chapter croc ask him why he is here if he does not care about being a warlord. BB said it was all part of his plan .
That means BB wanted to get into ID no matter what , well since he there.
Now that would mean unless BB change his plan which he did not say , only that it did not go smoothly.
BB would have been at ID if had caught luffy that would have mean no war and he would have still broken into ID . With no war and him still going into ID he won't have had the option of killing WB to kept on being a Warlord.
So unless i reading chapter 544 wrong he don't seem to care if he's warlord or not after he done doing what he has to in ID.
So maybe some one should explain chapter 544 better to us people that think BB did not wanted to become a warlord to enter ID or that was part of it.
It wasn't at all? Why did part of the chapter focus on Crocodile questioning BB's motives motives?
Suspense regarding his motives doesn't equal "I CANT EBLIVE YOU ALREADY GIVE UP TITLE OMG".
It was only emphasized as "what the fuck is this nigga up to?".
Your predisposed feelings of "he giving up title for dragionballs at impel down botton" are making it read like that.
Thinking back to when BB wanted to become a Warlord . Now if you read chapter 544 BB was telling luffy , he was going to catch him and become a warlord because he found out he was one that beat croc. Which would prove him slef to the marines.
Then he says that he don't care anymore since he already become one and luffy should thanks ace or he would been one to die and that fate on his side. remember that BB ask Ace to join his crew.
He's saying he doesn't care about Luffy anymore, not about being Shichibukai.
Now in this same chapter croc ask him why he is here if he does not care about being a warlord. BB said he was all part of his plan .
Crocodile like you droogs doesn't think there's anything Blackbeard is up to down there that could possibly regain his light in the government's eye.
I swear if one of you pulls the "author voice" bullshit again…
That means BB wanted to get into ID no matter what , well since he there.
Now that would mean unless BB change his plan which he did not say , only that it did not go smoothly.
Blackbeard just aknowledges that it's a risky move, nothing more.
Such as never saying anything about "i don't care about the position".
In fact the fact that he refers to the position losing aspect as a risk should be enough to silence you lot.
BB would have been at ID if had caught luffy that would have mean no war and he would have still broken into ID . With no war and him still going into ID he won't have had the option of killing WB to kept on being a Warlord.
Can you try to speak the kings english next time? I don't know what you're actually trying to say here.
The difference between you and us is you guys are making a claim of the value of what he has gone there to do, based off nothing but itself.
And…whatever your stance is different because?
@Karate:
What makes you think Luffy was the only person he intended to capture, that a 100 berry pirate equals instant Shichi status.
Yes, all those times Blackbeard talked about capturing Luffy he meant "…and a bunch of other guys!" Like the ones he captured inbetween Skypiea and Water 7. A completely baseless statement born from your perception of what it takes to become a shichibukai. Yes, for all any of us know one 100 million pirate is enough.
Freaking stupid. The point is BB's original plan of becoming a shichibukai was easier and more certain (despite the surprise appearance by Ace) then a week long naval battle against the marines like everyone is suggesting. Plus it's so obvious that dozens of stupid pirates have probably tried it and failed.
And come to think of it, I think I've been trolled. To everyone saying he's done nothing at Impel Down, what is he there for and risking his shichibukai status in the first place? If Crocodile thinks he's giving up his title then what BB's doing is probably serious here. He'd be breaking criminals up of one of the marines most important establishments, it's prison Impel Down. Whitebeard or not, that's serious shit. C'mon.
@Karate:
Suspense regarding his motives doesn't equal "I CANT EBLIVE YOU ALREADY GIVE UP TITLE OMG".
It was only emphasized as "what the fuck is this nigga up to?".
Your predisposed feelings of "he giving up title for dragionballs at impel down botton" are making it read like that.
He's saying he doesn't care about Luffy anymore, not about being Shichibukai.
Crocodile like you droogs doesn't think there's anything Blackbeard is up to down there that could possibly regain his light in the government's eye.
I swear if one of you pulls the "author voice" bullshit again…
Blackbeard just aknowledges that it's a risky move, nothing more.
Such as never saying anything about "i don't care about the position".
In fact the fact that he refers to the position losing aspect as a risk should be enough to silence you lot.Can you try to speak the kings english next time? I don't know what you're actually trying to say here.
BB did not saying losing his position was a risky move he said his plan did not go smoothly. BB is in ID which means even if had caught luffy he would have still gone into ID.
Which goes to show you that even without the war he would broken into ID with now way to kept being a warlord reread chapter 544.
I am done with this i think chapter 544 explain he did not care if he kepts it or not.
And…whatever your stance is...different because?
I can take two positions here, and the one against you is neutral. I'm purely putting your theory to trial. And no, before you inevitably whine about this, this is actually not only legit debate, but a common form.
Yes, all those times Blackbeard talked about capturing Luffy he meant "…and a bunch of other guys!" Like the ones he captured inbetween Skypiea and Water 7.
It only makes sense, I don't even know why you're argueing against it given that it has no bearing on your theory.
Unless you want to believe Kizaru is worth much more then 8 shichibukais.
Which is retarded.
The only other position here is that Luffy would be a symbolic victory, which makes him possibly as rare a chance as a high end New Worlder like Ace.
I mean just think about your position here.
You're defending a major downgrading of what Shichibukai means. You're too caught up defending your theory to even think about what other important story aspects you force out of the way to make it work.
That means it doesn't really fit in the slot champ.
Freaking stupid. The point is BB's original plan of becoming a shichibukai was easier and more certain (despite the surprise appearance by Ace) then a week long naval battle against the marines like everyone is suggesting.
Whuh??
What are you even talking about.
Did you just zone out and glaze over the part where I pointed out that there wouldn't be any such battle until maybe Impel Down? Which he got anyway in the form of death from Magellan that was alleviated by pure chance?
There is no week long fleet battle. I rebutted that, don't just pretend I didn't or at least address the damn thing.
BB did not saying losing his position was a risky move he said his plan did not go smoothly.
In response to that comment from Crocodile. He calls it a complication, not a non-factor.
Which goes to show you that even without the war he would broken into ID with now way to kept being a warlord reread chapter 544.
How does that even remotely show that.
I am done with this i think chapter 544 explain he did not care if he kepts it or not.
It absolutely did not.
@Karate:
I can take two positions here, and the one against you is neutral. I'm purely putting your theory to trial. And no, before you inevitably whine about this, this is actually not only legit debate, but a common form.
It only makes sense, I don't even know why you're argueing against it given that it has no bearing on your theory.
Unless you want to believe Kizaru is worth much more then 8 shichibukais.
Which is retarded.The only other position here is that Luffy would be a symbolic victory, which makes him possibly as rare a chance as a high end New Worlder like Ace.
I mean just think about your position here.
You're defending a major downgrading of what Shichibukai means. You're too caught up defending your theory to even think about what other important story aspects you force out of the way to make it work.
That means it doesn't really fit in the slot champ.Whuh??
What are you even talking about.Did you just zone out and glaze over the part where I pointed out that there wouldn't be any such battle until maybe Impel Down? Which he got anyway in the form of death from Magellan that was alleviated by pure chance?
There is no week long fleet battle. I rebutted that, don't just pretend I didn't or at elast address the damn thing.
It was said why he wanted to catch luffy in chapter 544. Now if that would have allow to become a warlord or not is unknow but that was part of his plan.
Plus the WG let people become warlord for all sort of reason croc became one when had bounty of 80 million. hancock became one just after a short while cause the WG saw her as a danger.
Not hard to belive they would let BB become one after he take down luffy . To make matter worst he was still after him after he destroy EL and was worth 300million.
It was said why he wanted to catch luffy in chapter 544. Now if that would have allow to become a warlord or not is unknow but that was part of his plan.
How does this conflict with anything I said.
Yes, all those times Blackbeard talked about capturing Luffy he meant "…and a bunch of other guys!" Like the ones he captured inbetween Skypiea and Water 7. A completely baseless statement born from your perception of what it takes to become a shichibukai. Yes, for all any of us know one 100 million pirate is enough.
Zephos isn't saying that at all.
Mostly because we know Lafitte sat in on the meeting concerning Luffy's win over Crocodile that ended up resulting in the latter's expulsion from the Shichibukai, Teach knew that catching the guy who caused the gap would get him in guaranteed. That's why he went gunning for only Luffy even when he was out of reach and could've gone after any others and that's why catching a $100,000,000 bounty pirate wouldn't be enough.
Turning in someone like…Urouge wouldn't have gotten him in regardless of bounty value.
Freaking stupid. The point is BB's original plan of becoming a shichibukai was easier and more certain (despite the surprise appearance by Ace) then a week long naval battle against the marines like everyone is suggesting. Plus it's so obvious that dozens of stupid pirates have probably tried it and failed.
Except that in spite of Teach's original plan, Ace was going to show regardless since he was already relentlessly hunting for him. So even if he had caught some random $100,000,000 and didn't get the position among the Shichibukai becoming an Armed Seas was already guaranteed because the fight between those two was going to happen no matter what.
And come to think of it, I think I've been trolled. To everyone saying he's done nothing at Impel Down, what is he there for and risking his shichibukai status in the first place? If Crocodile thinks he's giving up his title then what BB's doing is probably serious here. He'd be breaking criminals up of one of the marines most important establishments, it's prison Impel Down. Whitebeard or not, that's serious shit. C'mon.
Serious yes, but completely dwarfed by what's going on with the Whitebeard Pirates, and him being what clinches the World Government and Navy the win will absolve Teach whatever happened at Impel Down.
It's like you have no idea how big this current situation is. Things like Enies Lobby's destruction or the break-in at Impel Down don't compare to this war.
Zephos isn't is syaing that at all.
Mostly because we know Lafitte sat in on the meeting concerning Luffy's win over Crocodile that ended up resulting in the latter's expulsion from the Shichibukai, Teach knew that catching the guy who caused the gap would get him in guaranteed. That's why he went gunning for only Luffy even when he was out of reach and could've gone after any others and that's why catching a $100,000,000 bounty pirate wouldn't be enough.
Turning in someone like…Urouge wouldn't have gotten him in regardless of bounty value.
Except that regardless of Teach's original plan, Ace was going to show regardless since he was already relentlessly hunting for him. So even if he had caught some random $100,000,000 and didn't get the position among the Shichibukai becoming an Armed Seas was already guaranteed because the fight between those two was going to happen no matter what.
Serious yes, but completely dwarfed by what's going on with the Whitebeard Pirates, and him being what clinches the World Government and Navy the win will absolve Teach whatever happened at Impel Down.
So your saying BB only went into ID cause he caught ace.
And if have he caught luffy he would not gone into ID.
But because of the war he can break into ID and still have a chance to kept on being a warlord when he plan would cause him to lose it.
In other words he lucky .
Plus the WG let people become warlord for all sort of reason croc became one when had bounty of 80 million. hancock became one just after a short while cause the WG saw her as a danger.
Nothing short of major accomplishments.
Do you get what the point is here?
Not hard to belive they would let BB become one after he take down luffy . To make matter worst he was still after him after he destroy EL and was worth 300million.
What's hard to believe isn't Luffy, it's the 100 berries unattached to anything else.
So your saying BB only went into ID cause he caught ace.
And if have he caught luffy he would not gone into ID.
But because of the war he can break into ID and still have a chance to kept on being a warlord when he plan would cause him to lose it.
In other words he lucky .
You lack reading comprehension bad.
So your saying BB only went into ID cause he caught ace.
And if have he caught luffy he would not gone into ID.
But because of the war he can break into ID and still have a chance to kept on being a warlord when he plan would cause him to lose it.
In other words he lucky .
Ace was always going to end up caught, whether Teach had gotten a hold of Luffy or not.
Do you just not read posts or what.
@Karate:
Nothing short of major accomplishments.
Do you get what the point is here?
What's hard to believe isn't Luffy, it's the 100 berries unattached to anything else.
Well i not saying anything about that .
BB seem to have his eyes set on luffy and only luffy. Don't know about any body else.
As soon as he saw luffy worth 100 million he went after him.
Ace was always going to end up caught, whether Teach had gotten a hold of Luffy or not.
Not saying other wise but this whole part of the topic start because people were saying why BB wanted to become a warlord.
Not saying other wise but this whole part of the topic start because people were saying why BB wanted to become a warlord.
No one knows yet, but it sure as hell wasn't just to get into Impel Down.
EDIT: And no this whole topic started because of people saying that Teach wouldn't remain as an Armed Seas in the aftermath of this war, or even that he's lost it already because apparently the World Government doesn't let the Shichibukai get away with stuff….
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As soon as he saw luffy worth 100 million he went after him.
Sengoku specifically mentions the need for them to intimidate other pirates, to which Lafitte replies that they have a plan.
Tell me, do you honestly think catching a single 100 Million bountyhead is going to fulfill that goal.
@Karate:
Sengoku specifically mentions the need for them to intimidate other pirates, to which Lafitte replies that they have a plan.
Tell me, do you honestly think catching a single 100 Million bountyhead is going to fulfill that goal.
Don't know , croc became one at 80 million . Guess it depends on what the person has done along with how much they worth.
No one knows yet, but it sure as hell wasn't just to get into Impel Down.
EDIT: And no this whole topic started because of people saying that Teach wouldn't remain as an Armed Seas in the aftermath of this war, or even that he's lost it already because apparently the World Government doesn't let the Shichibukai get away with stuff….
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Has been to much pages that i forgot lolol.
Summary:
Blackbeard decided he needs to first catch a pirate who has done enough to give him the shichibukai title regardless of ace hunting him or not. Luffy took down crocodile so BB defeating him would be a huge thing for the marines who really know how strong luffy is. So far what luffy did as a rookie clearly exceed what the other supernovas achieved.
That's why BB thought that him defeating luffy would help him making one step forward to the needed status to become a shichibukai. Now would defeating luffy have been enough? Probably! If not he could have continued and captured other famous rookies like Kid to increase the atmosphere of angst. Whatever!
So now Blackbeard became a shichibukai only because Ace was so focused on killing him that he gave him no other choice. Ace even refused to join BBs crew which means BBs plan didn't involved Aces defeat to become a shichibukai. BB probably knew that he would have to fight ace… But he clearly planed to make him join HIS crew.
His main plan is to become the next pirate king and he joined the shichibukais not to start a war, not to take down Ace, not to hijack a marine battle (which he can do with ease regarding what kind of DF he has...).
Now why does he needs the shichibukai title? Well let's have a look at what he did many decades on WBs ship. He fought numerous battles in WBs shadow, clearly waiting to find the right DF. He hide his real strength (look at what he was able to do to shanks face). Which means Blackbeard is a strong pirate who has his own dream (becoming the next PK as luffy) and clearly has a plan to achieve it. He clearly used WBs fleet power and fame for years to find his desired DF.
Regarding the shichibukai title: We saw that hancock has a strong crew of kuja pirates and is enjoying the title cause it means no trouble with marines and she can focus on pirating all the time. Doflamingo runs an empire of slaves auction houses and pirates while having no trouble with marines since he is a shichibukai. He also played with vice admirals during the meeting regarding crocs defeat. Why wouldn't blackbeard whose dream is to become the next PK enjoy such a pact? With him out of WBs shadow his bounty would have raised if he didn't work as a shichibukai. Which is troublesome: marines hunting you, bounty hunters wanting your head, pirates, yonkous, WB. Not that he can't handle it but it's still troublesome and makes it harder to achieve what he wants.
So now he has the marines support and can clearly focus on the next steps of his plan which is clearly taking down WB (evidence: shanks meeting with WB) as the old man plans to free ace out of his territory against all the marines and all the shichibukais: a great opportunity for BB to create a power vacuum in the new world.
We already know that BB is a man who plans a lot so why not increasing the power of his crew with some strong level 6 pirates + Shiryu (a guy as strong as magellan) and "help" the marines in killing WB with his blackbeard pirate crew? Seems like a great opportunity to increase his own power (crew) and fulfil his duties as a shichibukai. "Hey guys we're not enemies" <-- is what he said to the guards at ID. "Hey guys look i had to free them to help you so no harm done". He is a man who was close enough to WB for decades.
He probably knows that with his pre ID crew it wouldn't be enough to beat WB or they will suffer great losses. Hell he can even lie (BB with his pre ID crew might have been enough to take down WB) to the marines "Well i needed more strong allies to take down the man you fear the most". The marines will buy it without hesitations cause look at sengokus face and speech when WB created the 2 giant waves. "That man has the power to destroy the whole world" shitting in pants.
After the war at the MHQ the marines will be glad to have such a strong ally and will clearly forgive his intrusion in ID as it clearly helped them in gaining more power regarding their world balance view. What's left? Would BB now quit just because he took down the most powerful man in the world? We already saw that he isn't a fool and he clearly knows that there are still 3 yonkous in the new world on his way to become a PK. So do the marines but they just seek world supremacy. Why would BB just quit the shichibukais? Why would he accept to have the marines as enemies when there is still enough to do? Why would the marines drop such a valuable ally when 3 great threats are still alive and ready to rampage?
With WB gone it doesn't mean the other yonkous will now loose their strength (I'm speaking of fighting power which is pretty obvious). They are still powerful as hell. BB + his new crew and the marines would have it easier against the other yonkous than those 2 working against each other and against the yonkous. Remember he has a plan. So why would it be so far fetched to just work with the marines and then drop them when most of his enemies are down?
So now he has the marines support and can clearly focus on the next steps of his plan which is clearly taking down WB
I doubt that BB has already the strenght to defeat WB. If he could, why hasnt he finished the old man off first. Whitebeard wouldnt hesitate to fight mano-a-mano against BB with some sort of safe exit for the winner.
After defeating his old master he could have joined the shichibukai too for some sort of marine protection.
As you have said, he probably hasnt expected a fight against ace and the following war, so in the end, after deafeating luffy, he would be simple a shichibukai, not more. He most likely has some other plans after reaching a safe status to do what ever he want. Maybe he will look after the ancient weapons, maybe something other.
So why would it be so far fetched to just work with the marines and then drop them when most of his enemies are down?
You dont think that sengoku, the man who is called the Strategist, would be suspicios after all that? The WG strife for world domination, so a shichi who is mighty enough to defeat the strongest man in the world and who have had betrayed his former captain already, isnt exactly someone to trust for all eternity. You dont need to be a mastermind to conclude, that BB will betray and eventually fight the WG and marines, after all the other yonkous are taken out.
I doubt that BB has already the strenght to defeat WB. If he could, why hasnt he finished the old man off first. Whitebeard wouldnt hesitate to fight mano-a-mano against BB with some sort of safe exit for the winner.
No clearly no! What do you think the rest of WBs top squad will do when they see him having trouble? I highly doubt they will leave BB alone like "oh hey you took his head well we're fair just leave now"… And with the marines also fighting WB right now the top commanders are all busy with the admirals and some shichis.
After defeating his old master he could have joined the shichibukai too for some sort of marine protection.
Would he just come on the moby dick and say "hey WB i challenge you" with all the commanders around them? Tactically it would be suicide. And he still had to learn how to use the fruit.
You dont think that sengoku, the man who is called the Strategist, would be suspicios after all that? The WG strife for world domination, so a shichi who is mighty enough to defeat the strongest man in the world and who have had betrayed his former captain already, isnt exactly someone to trust for all eternity. You dont need to be a mastermind to conclude, that BB will betray and eventually fight the WG and marines, after all the other yonkous are taken out.
Crocodile build a thug empire to conquer one country and he was a shichibukai. Did the marine noticed it? Well you don't need to be a mastermind to do that but all the shichis can betray the wg/marines. Jimbei already did. Hancock, doflamingo even Kuma… The risk the wg is taking is really high but that's the price they pay for their politics. Not that it might be a good thing. Even if they suspect BB to betray them i don't see why they should stop cooperating with him. They might even think "Hey let's work with him and fire/kill him when we don't need his power". So they probably will prepare themself for such a betrayal. The question is who will be stronger...
What do you think the rest of WBs top squad will do when they see him having trouble? I highly doubt they will leave BB alone like "oh hey you took his head well we're fair just leave now"
Just like I said. He need a safe exit-aggrement. A lonely island like the ace-BB-fight. Furthermore, he have his dark hole power. But I'm sure WB would agree to anything if he would have the chance to fight BB. Or do you think he fear BB? Than he wouldnt have send ace to catch him.
Would he just come on the moby dick and say "hey WB i challenge you" with all the commanders around them? Tactically it would be suicide.
For the job to bring messages into hostile environment he has lafitte.
And he still had to learn how to use the fruit.
Thats exactly my point. He hasnt reached the level of whitebeard yet. Maybe sometimes in the future. Like the final act to proclaim himself pirate king by taking out WB. But not just yet.
but all the shichis can betray the wg/marines. Jimbei already did. Hancock, doflamingo even Kuma… The risk the wg is taking is really high but that's the price they pay for their politics.
They can take the risk, because they are sure, that they can handle a shichibukai. Like they did with jimbei, who was send to impel down, so that he couldnt interfere in the coming fight.
But it would be a totally different situation, when the involved shichi has shown the capability to defeat the world strongest. He would be on the same power level like an yonkou. Remember that a shichibukai has the authority to walk right into the holy land.
Just like I said. He need a safe exit-aggrement. A lonely island like the ace-BB-fight. Furthermore, he have his dark hole power. But I'm sure WB would agree to anything if he would have the chance to fight BB. Or do you think he fear BB? Than he wouldnt have send ace to catch him.
WB already said he has a bad feeling about BB. I don't think he would have agreed to fight BB alone on an island just because he wants BB dead.
Thats exactly my point. He hasnt reached the level of whitebeard yet. Maybe sometimes in the future. Like the final act to proclaim himself pirate king by taking out WB. But not just yet.
And what about the scenario: BB + level 6 prisoners + 1 or 2 admirals against WB?
They can take the risk, because they are sure, that they can handle a shichibukai. Like they did with jimbei, who was send to impel down, so that he couldnt interfere in the coming fight.
But it would be a totally different situation, when the involved shichi has shown the capability to defeat the world strongest. He would be on the same power level like an yonkou. Remember that a shichibukai has the authority to walk right into the holy land.
BB wouldn't have the same power as a yonkou as he has a small crew of elite fighters and not a whole army. If the marines attack him while he didn't quit it would be stupid as they will weaken themself even more without a reason… And if BB has the power of a yonkou as you said then the marines will think twice before attacking him after the war right? Especially if this new power can be used to take down the remaining 3 others.
bb key to getting into the warlords was LUFFY. Laffite and sengoku pretty much agreed on that. But BB ran into ace, bb asked ace to join his crew and bragged about luffy destroying enies lobby and getting him for the goverment. Ace wouldnt betray wb or his brother, so bb captured ace instead. Ace was a bigger fish that landed on bb's lap and BB turned him in instead of luffy.
Its not rocket science folks. what is this argument about? REALLY?
Zephos isn't saying that at all.
Mostly because we know Lafitte sat in on the meeting concerning Luffy's win over Crocodile that ended up resulting in the latter's expulsion from the Shichibukai, Teach knew that catching the guy who caused the gap would get him in guaranteed. That's why he went gunning for only Luffy even when he was out of reach and could've gone after any others and that's why catching a $100,000,000 bounty pirate wouldn't be enough.
Turning in someone like…Urouge wouldn't have gotten him in regardless of bounty value.
This threw me for a loop for awhile, but I looked it up. I think somewhere he said catching the guy who beat Croc was part of his plan, yet I checked chapter 234, and he states he's been looking for "a guy with over a 100 million bounty." It seems like, maybe he was after Luffy for both those reasons.
Everyone needs to remember, there are less then a dozen guys in the Grandline with bounties of over 100 million, and all of them are apparently famous pirates despite being seemingly weaker then the shichibukai and the like. Regardless of how we view them or the logic of "less then shichibukai equals weak pirate" whatever, the WG clearly notices these men. In fact, I bet if another supernova was caught in the middle of the current war I'd bet he'd get the same attention Luffy got, minus the whole "Roger's son" bit.
So, to assume that capturing a big bounty woundn't get the WG's notice is…really just an assumption. Something like that could go either way, though I listed my reasons above.
Except that in spite of Teach's original plan, Ace was going to show regardless since he was already relentlessly hunting for him. So even if he had caught some random $100,000,000 and didn't get the position among the Shichibukai becoming an Armed Seas was already guaranteed because the fight between those two was going to happen no matter what.
But back to my original point…getting the shichibukai status for Blackbeard was easier then whoever suggested "steal a boat." I can only guess why you're bringing up Ace, sure maybe their fight was unavoidable, that's easy to say in hindsight. However, that doesn't change that BB wanted to take Luffy, he didn't say a thing about Ace until he arrived so we can assume he wasn't part of this plan.
I'm just saying, the way BB planned to be shichibukai originally was easier then the other idea suggested. It's just two or three steps, capture a 100 million guy (or Luffy, same thing really) turn it into the marines and become a shichibukai.
The boat stealing things requires them to do recon to find where the boat is and where it's sailing too…and frankly I don't see BB's crew doing something like that anyway. Next, they need to kill the crew. Easy for them, yes, but to assume that the WG wouldnt' notice is too easy and assumption to make--does anyone actually think no pirate has tried this before? Stealing a marine sea stone coated boat is such an easy idea that the marines must have a plan against it. Anyway, now BB needs to sail there while the marines are chasing them. That's a week in which they need to protect that boat, whereas with Luffy/Ace they just need to hold a beaten man with no one on their back. Then, there's factoring in whether or not the marines notice a ship traveling to Impel Down. Considering that the marines have many of these sea stone boats, the marines could beat the BB pirates there (especially considering how close Impel Down is to Marineford).
See, the thing is the "steal the boat" plan has more steps and more things that could go wrong, how this is the better alternative if "Blackbeard just wanted to go to Impel Down" seems extremely forced, whereas the Blackbeard's current actions have gone more smoothly (for him anyway).
Plus, if we add Ace's inevitable arrival, then BB might end up fighting both marine fodder and Ace on a very burnable boat...
Anyway, I think it needs to be taken into consideration that with BB's great power, becoming a shichibukai isn't that difficult. I think you're talking about the standpoint of common pirates there. It's still no reason that he can't throw away his title as soon as he doesn't need it. I'm sure Moria and Croc would have too when the time came.
Serious yes, but completely dwarfed by what's going on with the Whitebeard Pirates, and him being what clinches the World Government and Navy the win will absolve Teach whatever happened at Impel Down.
It's like you have no idea how big this current situation is. Things like Enies Lobby's destruction or the break-in at Impel Down don't compare to this war.
And back to the original point, no, stealing prisoners from a marine prison is a war crime. If burning a WG flag is a declaration of war, then what the heck is this? Your assumption makes out the marines to be weaklings and cowards, which they aren't quite. Sengoku is nervous, but look at this war. They have a plan. They have warriors who can fight equally with the WB pirates. The just aren't winning is all, it's a stalemate. They don't want to be rescued, and they sure don't want Blackbeard leading perhaps hundreds of pirates they captured to save them! It's clear that if BB kills Whitebeard with the help of imprisoned pirates, who should hate the marines and the government, they are just replacing one enemy with another. Breaking into Impel Down is a huge slap in the marines faces, and even with the threat of Whitebeard they shouldn't back down to BB as long as they have the admirals.
This assumption that BB will stay a shichibukai is too forced, it's based on the assumption that BB still wants to use the WG after he's basically beaten the strongest pirate in the world. The WG would probably at least try to get their prisoners back, and to the guy who suggested using the WG against the other yonkou…how is he going to do that? And again, when you get right down to it no one knows how important BB going to Impel Down is to BB. It very well could be everything there is to his plan, depending on who or what is there. He certainly isn't done there based on what we last saw.
This threw me for a loop for awhile, but I looked it up. I think somewhere he said catching the guy who beat Croc was part of his plan, yet I checked chapter 234, and he states he's been looking for "a guy with over a 100 million bounty." It seems like, maybe he was after Luffy for both those reasons.
Chapter 234 was before meeting back up with Lafitte, so Teach had no idea Luffy was the one who took down Crocodile at that time and was only after him because of his $100,000,000 bounty.
Everyone needs to remember, there are less then a dozen guys in the Grandline with bounties of over 100 million, and all of them are apparently famous pirates despite being seemingly weaker then the shichibukai and the like. Regardless of how we view them or the logic of "less then shichibukai equals weak pirate" whatever, the WG clearly notices these men. In fact, I bet if another supernova was caught in the middle of the current war I'd bet he'd get the same attention Luffy got, minus the whole "Roger's son" bit.
Only in the first half.
And considering none of the other Supernovas beat down two Armed Seas, wrecked Enies Lobby, taking down Lucci and broke both in and out of Impel Down none of them would get the attention Luffy has gotten. That's without taking into account the "Dragon's son" part which I'm pretty sure you just mixed the names up on.
The actions that caused the bounties speak more than the amount, especially to the ones who know exactly what that person has done.
So, to assume that capturing a big bounty woundn't get the WG's notice is…really just an assumption. Something like that could go either way, though I listed my reasons above.
The character himself assuming it would work is already doing just that.
But back to my original point…getting the shichibukai status for Blackbeard was easier then whoever suggested "steal a boat." I can only guess why you're bringing up Ace, sure maybe their fight was unavoidable, that's easy to say in hindsight. However, that doesn't change that BB wanted to take Luffy, he didn't say a thing about Ace until he arrived so we can assume he wasn't part of this plan.
Stealing a boat is a lot easier than becoming an Armed Seas, dunno how you can idispute that.
And no, we knew a fight between those two would happen way before the chapters about it. It's been foreshadowed from Jaya, Alabasta or even Drum. What you think Teach didn't know Ace was after him? The guy's been there for at least 20 years, of course he knew how things worked with the Whitebeard Pirates so your assumption that once Teach killed Thatch that a division commander wouldn't go after him is rather silly.
I'm just saying, the way BB planned to be shichibukai originally was easier then the other idea suggested. It's just two or three steps, capture a 100 million guy (or Luffy, same thing really) turn it into the marines and become a shichibukai.
Capturing Luffy wouldn't be the same as some "100 million guy."
It's easy see the difference between them.
The boat stealing things requires them to do recon to find where the boat is and where it's sailing too…and frankly I don't see BB's crew doing something like that anyway. Next, they need to kill the crew. Easy for them, yes, but to assume that the WG wouldnt' notice is too easy and assumption to make--does anyone actually think no pirate has tried this before? Stealing a marine sea stone coated boat is such an easy idea that the marines must have a plan against it. Anyway, now BB needs to sail there while the marines are chasing them. That's a week in which they need to protect that boat, whereas with Luffy/Ace they just need to hold a beaten man with no one on their back. Then, there's factoring in whether or not the marines notice a ship traveling to Impel Down. Considering that the marines have many of these sea stone boats, the marines could beat the BB pirates there (especially considering how close Impel Down is to Marineford).
You do know that using this hypothetical scenario would mean there's not nearly as much marines at Impel Down. The only reason there were so many boats there was because of Ace's presence. Even then it'd be too late since even when there were a lot of ships no one took any notice until the Blackbeard Pirates were already at the entrance of Impel Down.
So overall it'd be a lot easier.
See, the thing is the "steal the boat" plan has more steps and more things that could go wrong, how this is the better alternative if "Blackbeard just wanted to go to Impel Down" seems extremely forced, whereas the Blackbeard's current actions have gone more smoothly (for him anyway).
None of things above would go wrong considering the calibre of the Blackbeard Pirates.
Plus, if we add Ace's inevitable arrival, then BB might end up fighting both marine fodder and Ace on a very burnable boat…
You're acting like fodder would make a difference in the fight between them.
Anyway, I think it needs to be taken into consideration that with BB's great power, becoming a shichibukai isn't that difficult. I think you're talking about the standpoint of common pirates there. It's still no reason that he can't throw away his title as soon as he doesn't need it. I'm sure Moria and Croc would have too when the time came.
And with Teach's great power, getting to Impel Down without a need for becoming an Armed Seas isn't that difficult. I think you're talking about the standpoint of common pirates there.
And he hasn't really made any use of his title anyway so throwing it away hasn't happened.
And back to the original point, no, stealing prisoners from a marine prison is a war crime. If burning a WG flag is a declaration of war, then what the heck is this?
Luffy punched a Celestial Dragon, that's pretty big right. What does Sengoku say when that was brought up?
"Have the Admirals deal with it"
So again, you don't seem to grasp how big this whole thing is in comparison to everything else.
Your assumption makes out the marines to be weaklings and cowards, which they aren't quite. Sengoku is nervous, but look at this war. They have a plan. They have warriors who can fight equally with the WB pirates. The just aren't winning is all, it's a stalemate. They don't want to be rescued, and they sure don't want Blackbeard leading perhaps hundreds of pirates they captured to save them!
1: It doesn't make the Navy look weak since a win is a win, and as far as the public knows someone under the employ of the World Government helped beat the opposing side.
2: Teach wouldn't bring hundreds of pirates with him, his crew will stay small.
It's clear that if BB kills Whitebeard with the help of imprisoned pirates, who should hate the marines and the government, they are just replacing one enemy with another.
Except the types of guys Teach would bring are likely those "silver medalists" who'd hate Newgate a lot more, and as long as they're kept in line, which being led by Teach would, I doubt they'd care.
Breaking into Impel Down is a huge slap in the marines faces, and even with the threat of Whitebeard they shouldn't back down to BB as long as they have the admirals.
No one's backing down to anyone, what are you even talking about.
This assumption that BB will stay a shichibukai is too forced, it's based on the assumption that BB still wants to use the WG after he's basically beaten the strongest pirate in the world.
Considering Teach hasn't really done anything with his title then yeah he's not done with it.
The WG would probably at least try to get their prisoners back,
Like how they dealt with Moria stealing marines' shadows or how Hancock is shattering soldiers during this war right.
Long as they prove beneficial there'd be no reason to take them back in.
i hope Eneru will appear
@Venessa
Except the types of guys Teach would bring are likely those "silver medalists" who'd hate Newgate a lot more, and as long as they're kept in line, which being led by Teach would, I doubt they'd care.
You really think a bunch of men who were hootin and hollerin at Boa and talking shit to Magellan would really be kept in line by just Teach. A large group of men who have all committed crimes comparable or worse than Croc&Kidd becoming obedient? Majority of Level 6 prisoner's seem like psychos and sociopaths, not the type of people you can make deals with. Sick people don't make rationale choices like toning down their violent tendencies so they can keep their new job as WG lap dogs; Its just not in them.
And I doubt they'd be scarred straight by Teach if they're still taunting Magellan while shackled and still want to kill WB.
@Venessa
You really think a bunch of men who were hootin and hollerin at Boa and talking shit to Magellan would really be kept in line by just Teach. A large group of men who have all committed crimes comparable or worse than Croc&Kidd becoming obedient? Majority of Level 6 prisoner's seem like psychos and sociopaths, not the type of people you can make deals with. Sick people don't make rationale choices like toning down their violent tendencies so they can keep their new job as WG lap dogs; Its just not in them.And I doubt they'd be scarred straight by Teach if they're still taunting Magellan while shackled and still want to kill WB.
I see what you're trying to say but the problem I see with that point is that you're judging all Level 6 prisoners based on the behaviour of that one lot. Let's not forget that Ace, Crocodile, Jinbei and Shiryu all were Level 6 prisoners aswell but none of them was shown to act in that discribed way. And of those four, two are now with Luffy and one is with Teach.
The point is, that just because some prisoners behave like that it doesn't mean that literally everyone will be like that. For the most part such behaviour is mostly done by nameless background types. Characters that do stand out are generally the exact opposite. And I'm sure that this will be the case for whoever might join up with Teach.