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Haha, and here I thought Zoro gets stronger with more pressure, there goes that argument…[/sarcasm] it's most likely not haki. IF it was, Oda would have made it more clear like he did with Luffy… Everyone doesn't have haki, ok? :P

Trying to understand your post, I rewrote it. If I was wrong, correct me. It didn't really make much sense before, so I am responding to this version. Ok, so. Are you suggesting that physical power is the only way for Zoro to get stronger? I want to believe I misunderstood you somewhere, or misunderstood the sarcasm, but if this is what you are saying, then you completely missed the point of Zoro being able to cut iron. It isn't about power, it is about technique. The more you refine a technique, especially a cutting technique, the more powerful it becomes. Mihawk isn't simply "more muscular" than Zoro. Yes, muscle plays a large role, else Zoro wouldn't always work out, but there is (and should always be) more focus on technique. Simply put, Zoro can't cut anything. He needs to improve. Haki hasn't been shown to cut anything, it just allows (or has allowed) increased power and the ability to make a logia or other "power" tangible. That doesn't really make someone invincible. (IE: Rayleigh).

Well, there's always the possibility of some Kairouseki laced knuckle guards or weapons. Before Haki was introduced, I was sure that this would be the mandatory upgrade for everyone's equipment. In fact, I'm quite curious as to how this hasn't come up since smoker and wiper. I know it's supposed to be rare, but it's not that rare that high level pirates couldn't acquire some for DF battles. I always thought that Blackbeard's yami fruit was kinda pointless if you could fire seastone laced bullets or some shit.

I have said this before, but I really don't think seastone is "rare". At least, not in the sense that people assume it is. It is isolated to one area, like Smoker said in Alabasta, and the World Government certainly seems to have control of that area, so the rest of the world does not have it at their disposal. In that sense, yeah, it is rare. There could be TONS of it; there likely is tons of it. It's just that, from what we know, the Marines and the World Government have complete control of where and how it is used; thus pirates not having easy access to it. Likely it is a black market item. Either way, I am extremely glad this isn't the route Oda took for overcoming power users. It would be far too simple an answer, and would be far too conditional.

Well, I don't know how this about types of haki first emerged, but I don't think it's as clear cut as it being classified into different categories altogether. It probably manifests in different ways depending on the individual's personality and inclinations.

I'm not trying to contradict you here, but you are yourself stating where the "types" discussion emerged. Simply put, "haoushouaosashasku haki" was made into a category. "Color" was also in the description as well, I think. Sure, that doesn't mean there are other categories (unless you count "normal" a category), but it was implied that Sandersonia and Marigold, at the very least, had different strengths and skills with the ability. Marigold was known for her defense, and Sandersonia for her mantra-like movement prediction. This strongly suggests (to me) that there are different skills that can be accessed, and that there are varying levels of strength and/or usage of said skills. Still, it needs to be explained more in depth before this can really be considered conclusive.

But the potential to have it is, to my opinion, not an inherited trait, but something anyone with enough drive is able to achieve.

I agree that anyone should be able to learn it, and that it likely manifests differently for different people, but I would think that there are a handful of "applications" for it, and that those applications are the only ones there are. The difference among people would be strengths/weaknesses in each category, and/or outright inaccessibility to some of the skills. For instance, thus far we have seen a few common applications that I will blanket with other terms: mantra, tekkai, roukuougan, and instant KO. I'm not saying that these are all without a doubt the same thing as haki, but I personally think they are. Oda likes to connect the dots, and in real life there exists many different techniques that have different names and slightly different applications depending on where you are, so if you consider that and the nature of each of these techniques, it makes sense. I hate to use Bleach as an example, but in Bleach there are like 10 different ways to move at high speed. They are all pretty much the same thing, with a TINY difference in application and a different name.

I believe that Zoro could, in theory, also develop King's Haki.

I have to completely disagree here. I simply cannot take what Oda said (via plot) about it being one in a million (rare) lightly. Were it attainable by anyone who has the same…attitude, it simply wouldn't be (believably) rare. Ultimately, it undermines the significance of it and its connection with Luffy. Kidd, for instance, has displayed the same ambitious nature. Blackbeard as well. Whitebeard and Ace I am sure have similar drive. Coby? I am certain the list can and does go on. Take Hancock, for example. She is nothing like Luffy. I would suggest she is the complete opposite. She clearly doesn't hold the same drive as Luffy, so I don't see where the connection is that they would share (personality wise).

@huron:

Whitebeard is the strongest man of the world.
That probably means he has a strong haki too.

This is, in my opinion, where haki is hurting the fanbase the most. It has been introduced extremely slow. It has been made an extremely rare and unique skillset. It has been shown to allow a limited increase in ability, while still being a major asset in a fight. Despite all of this, people seem to think that everyone in the New World will have it, that it has unlimited potential, that it makes you extremely powerful, and that if you are powerful then you likely have it.

@Zkaiser:

You didn't answer the question.

Neither did you, a few pages back.

Clouddrive

Nice post brennen. Some people still think Zoro feeling stuff breathing is the same as Roger power of hearing the voice of "all things" and it is not. Unless Zoro start to understand ancient language like Roger did then yeah I will believe it the same thing. I did answer the question… he post his before I finish editing it.

Sakonosolo

Seems to me that psychosis is rampant in the world of One Piece. Everyone hearing voices and everything :ninja: . I really hope Haki isn't used too much in the future that it dominates most fights. I don't really even like it as a concept though I guess Oda could manage to pull it off nicely.

brennen.exe

@Kairouseki:

I really hope Haki isn't used too much in the future that it dominates most fights. I don't really even like it as a concept though I guess Oda could manage to pull it off nicely.

Then you must have hated the Enies Lobby arc.

HaxeyeMihawk

I just want it to remain a rare X factor that Luffy uses and maybe Zoro and Sanji.
EDIT:Though any one type of fighting style even dfs when that's all the fight focuses on would be tiring.

Sakonosolo

^ Along with all the Amazons, Gol D Roger and his crew, and possibly Whitebeard . And what do you mean about Enies Lobby?

brennen.exe

@Kairouseki:

And what do you mean about Enies Lobby?

CP9? Rokushiki?

Narutossss

Huge post, sorry…

Trying to understand your post, I rewrote it. If I was wrong, correct me. It didn't really make much sense before, so I am responding to this version. Ok, so. Are you suggesting that physical power is the only way for Zoro to get stronger? I want to believe I misunderstood you somewhere, or misunderstood the sarcasm, but if this is what you are saying, then you completely missed the point of Zoro being able to cut iron. It isn't about power, it is about technique. The more you refine a technique, especially a cutting technique, the more powerful it becomes. Mihawk isn't simply "more muscular" than Zoro. Yes, muscle plays a large role, else Zoro wouldn't always work out, but there is (and should always be) more focus on technique. Simply put, Zoro can't cut anything. He needs to improve. Haki hasn't been shown to cut anything, it just allows (or has allowed) increased power and the ability to make a logia or other "power" tangible. That doesn't really make someone invincible. (IE: Rayleigh).

Neither did you, a few pages back.

Yes that's correct. I wasn't talking about physical strength… When creating shishi sonson, please read this page http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/193/19/

ThunderEarthFire

@Clouddrive:

…... common! it not really canceling the devil fruit just make them susceptible to taking hit. It great that Oda come up with Haki because I don't really want to see Luffy and co getting rape in the new world.

You didn't answer the question.
@Clouddrive:

Yes I did, you post before I could edit it.

No, you still didn't answer the question.
@Clouddrive:

Nice post brennen. Some people still think Zoro feeling stuff breathing is the same as Roger power of hearing the voice of "all things" and it is not. Unless Zoro start to understand ancient language like Roger did then yeah I will believe it the same thing. I did answer the question… he post his before I finish editing it.

And again you haven't answered the question.

I'll try to put it in better terms for you:

How can Luffy who is a paramecia fruit user(and therefore not a logia) be affected by haki which only effects logia fruit users (according to what you said)?

brennen.exe

Yes that's correct. I wasn't talking about physical strength… When creating shishi sonson, please read this page.

I guess I am not sure what your overall point is, then. "Stronger" is referring to ability, power, skill, might, etc. Not physical prowess. I think you understand that though, so where is the hiccup? What is it, exactly, that convinces you that haki is not at all what was being (unintentionally) used?

@ThunderEarthFire:

You didn't answer the question. How can Luffy, who is a paramecia fruit user, be affected by haki which only effects logia fruit users (according to what you said)?

Why are you calling him/her out on a technicality? It's obvious what he/she meant. Are you seriously unable to see that, or are you just being…mean?

Zkaiser

This is, in my opinion, where haki is hurting the fanbase the most. It has been introduced extremely slow. It has been made an extremely rare and unique skillset. It has been shown to allow a limited increase in ability, while still being a major asset in a fight. Despite all of this, people seem to think that everyone in the New World will have it, that it has unlimited potential, that it makes you extremely powerful, and that if you are powerful then you likely have it.

Like Devil's Fruits?

Narutossss

I guess I am not sure what your overall point is, then. "Stronger" is referring to ability, power, skill, might, etc. Not physical prowess. I think you understand that though, so where is the hiccup? What is it, exactly, that convinces you that haki is not at all what was being (unintentionally) used?

I see what your point is and it makes alot of sense, but I just because it's simple coincidence.

brennen.exe

@Zkaiser:

Like Devil's Fruits?

Considering Shanks, Mihawk, Roger, and Jinbei were the primary building blocks of established "power" in the series, no. It makes sense that the world's rarest weapons are more concentrated in a "war zone" like section of the world. Edit: Actually, the answer could also be "yes," as it is also something that is hurting the fanbase.

Urouge

So brennen, I agree with you that tekkai is likely a form of haki, as is rokyougen. But what about the other 5 forms? You seem to agree that soru is purely physical in nature and probably doesn't have links.

Also, life-return makes sense to be linked as well (not rokushiki, but introduced at the same time).

Narutossss

So brennen, I agree with you that tekkai is likely a form of haki, as is rokyougen. But what about the other 5 forms? You seem to agree that soru is purely physical in nature and probably doesn't have links.

Also, life-return makes sense to be linked as well (not rokushiki, but introduced at the same time).

Haki, Rokushiki. I see the connection now…

Urouge

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/519/08/

Haki, Rokushiki. I see the connection now…

Do you see the connection between tekkai and haki yet?

brennen.exe

So brennen, I agree with you that tekkai is likely a form of haki, as is rokyougen. But what about the other 5 forms? You seem to agree that soru is purely physical in nature and probably doesn't have links. Also, life-return makes sense to be linked as well (not rokushiki, but introduced at the same time).

Well I am certainly not suggesting that everything is related to haki. I am just attempting to establish a few points:

Different names != different abilities; the same principles or methods can be used to apply a similar technique, with a different name, and still be more or less the same ability. Not just for haki, but for anything. A non-haki example would be nuki ashi, shakushi, and soru.
There are varying levels of all techniques, and physical strength is generally not what tips the scales. While skills can be acquired, certain people have different affinities or natural/stronger talent in a given area than others.
Just because something is powerful, does not mean it is widely used, known, or easily acquired. The CP9 stress how arduous and exhaustive their training was. We can assume that the Amazons have all been raised on the same training since birth, so it is likely that theirs isn't easy either.

What this all comes down to is that there is no real reason to believe "haki" will be popular or widely used in the New World, that "haki" isn't just the name to a skill/set just like rokushiki or mantra is, that by knowing it you are instantly top-tier or extremely powerful, and that while some or all of it might be learnable, there are varying levels of strength or compatibility for any given…technique. Ughh...hard to explain, kinda.

Edit: Oh, and the rest of rokushiki appears to be more like physical skill sets, whereas tekkai, roukuougan, mantra, life-return, and that instant KO thing seem to be more…ughh...metaphysical. Or, yeah, a combination of both.

Narutossss

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/519/08/

Do you see the connection between tekkai and haki yet?

I've always believed there was a connecting beween them anyway… I was obviously being sarcastic.

lol that was her hand not her body… -_-

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/519/12/
Kami-e!!!!!!!!!!!. Do you think someone is that stupid not to see the connections. Unlike "BREATHING"

Urouge

Well I am certainly not suggesting that everything is related to haki. I am just attempting to establish a few points:

Different names != different abilities; the same principles or methods can be used to apply a similar technique, with a different name, and still be more or less the same ability. Not just for haki, but for anything. A non-haki example would be nuki ashi, shakushi, and soru.

There are varying levels of all techniques, and physical strength is generally not what tips the scales. While skills can be acquired, certain people have different affinities or natural/stronger talent in a given area than others.

Just because something is powerful, does not mean it is widely used, known, or easily acquired. The CP9 stress how arduous and exhaustive their training was. We can assume that the Amazons have all been raised on the same training since birth, so it is likely that theirs isn't easy either.

What this all comes down to is that there is no real reason to believe "haki" will be popular or widely used in the New World, that "haki" isn't just the name to a skill/set just like rokushiki or mantra is, that by knowing it you are instantly top-tier or extremely powerful, and that while some or all of it might be learnable, there are varying levels of strength or compatability for any given…technique. Ughh...hard to explain, kinda.

Actually, I like this idea. If Rokushiki techniques go through both the elements of physical ability and mental ability (which I'm lumping haki in with for now), then the Rokyougen move done by Lucci is a move that requires a certain level of mastery in both areas at once and combined. This would give Oda a huge field of stuff to play with in the future.

I've always believed there was a connecting beween them anyway… I was obviously being sarcastic.

You've been attacking the links between haki and other things, and you think that a smartass comment like that is obvious sarcasm?

Narutossss

Actually, I like this idea. If Rokushiki techniques go through both the elements of physical ability and mental ability (which I'm lumping haki in with for now), then the Rokyougen move done by Lucci is a move that requires a certain level of mastery in both areas at once and combined. This would give Oda a huge field of stuff to play with in the future.

You've been attacking the links between haki and other things, and you think that a smartass comment like that is obvious sarcasm?

I've been attacking the damn link between "BREATHING" and "Waking UP". Because I find it a bit… y'know.

HaxeyeMihawk

lol that was her hand not her body… -_-

And? tekkai was an entire body technique, that's how jabura would use it to attack, lol you think if someone were using tekkai and got kicked on their hand that it'd do damage? If that were the case then I'm sure the SH would've figured out such a dumb weakness.

Urouge

I've been attacking the damn link between "BREATHING" and "Waking UP". Because I find it a bit… y'know.

What does this have to do with waking up?

He always uses this move to cut steel, like when he tried to break tekkai and kuma's hard body. This came from what his master said, the best swords man can cut anything and they can also nothing or something, he then does that, then beats bones. There wasn't any real haki hint, it was all pointing to the flashback.

You've been attacking the links between haki and other things, and you think that a smartass comment like that is obvious sarcasm?

Leave him alone, he is delusional.

Narutossss

What does this have to do with waking up?

People think Whitebeard woke up because he read ace's moves. Zoro isn't rokushiki. I myself believe only mantra and rokushiki can be connected to haki, we haven't argued about either so I never agreed.

If you really don't believe me then I will explain, I didn't just change my mind after the picture you showed me, listen close. http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/518/15/ , here she says luffy didn't use haki but pure strength. This means that haki can strengthen people. After I read that I believe the rokushiki users could have used haki to strengthen thier muscles with tekkai, like tensing, thus being hard to move. Increase the speed of thier legs to create a cutting wave in the air and so on etc… I could not have made this up on the spot. If you still don't believe me then whatever.

@Jesus:

Leave him alone, he is delusional.

Please don't troll.

Urouge

I never said I didn't believe you. I was just curious how you thought that a post like that could be what you call obvious sarcasm, when there was no hint that you agreed with it at the time.

brennen.exe

Zoro isn't rokushiki. I myself believe only mantra and rokushiki can be connected to haki.

So when Lucci hits Luffy with roukuougan and Luffy comments on the effects being abnormal and similar to an impact dial…it's prolly haki. When Garp punches Luffy, a rubberman, and it hurts to the point that people (in the story) comment on it...it's prolly haki. When Sentoumaru punches Luffy, a rubberman, and it hurts to the point that people (in the story) comment on it...it's prolly haki. When Rayleigh cuts and blocks Kizaru, a lightman, when it is obvious that it should normally not be possible...it's prolly haki. When Luffy gets hit by people using haki to the point that he gets hurt and makes a comment on it...it's prolly haki. But when Zoro cuts Mr. 1, a man made of metal, something that was obviously not normal...it's prolly just coincidence.

Narutossss

I never said I didn't believe you. I was just curious how you thought that a post like that could be what you call obvious sarcasm, when there was no hint that you agreed with it at the time.

Come on it was funny. It's a parody. ki from dragon ball. I was joking. I guess you couldn't see the connection. haha.

SMUDGE

Not offence but how did you come to the conclusion that Rokoshiki (tekkai, roukougun etc) is a form of haki? If we take this route then soon everyone will mention all the examples of fighting we have seen so far and blame it on haki. First example, Mantra.

Nice combo breaker Urouge

Narutossss

So when Lucci hits Luffy with roukuougan and Luffy comments on the effects being abnormal and similar to an impact dial…it's prolly haki. When Garp punches Luffy, a rubberman, and it hurts to the point that people (in the story) comment on it...it's prolly haki. When Sentoumaru punches Luffy, a rubberman, and it hurts to the point that people (in the story) comment on it...it's prolly haki. When Rayleigh cuts and blocks Kizaru, a lightman, when it is obvious that it should normally not be possible...it's prolly haki. When Luffy gets hit by people using haki to the point that he gets hurt and makes a comment on it...it's prolly haki. But when Zoro cuts Mr. 1, a man made of metal, something that was obviously not normal...it's prolly just coincidence.

Yes. you couldn't have said it better, but I'm not to sure about garp, it could have been comedy

Urouge

Come on it was funny. It's a parody. ki from dragon ball. I was joking. I guess you couldn't see the connection. haha.

I never said I didn't get the joke, I made no comment on how funny or not funny your post was. I was simply questioning what made you think that it was obvious that you agreed.

Not offence but how did you come to the conclusion that Rokoshiki (tekkai, roukougun etc) is a form of haki? If we take this route then soon everyone will mention all the examples of fighting we have seen so far and blame it on haki. First example, Mantra.

Nice combo breaker Urouge

tekkai: http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/519/08/

mantra: http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/519/10/ (bottom middle panel)

Narutossss

I never said I didn't get the joke, I made no comment on how funny or not funny your post was. I was simply questioning what made you think that it was obvious that you agreed.

Ok. Fine it wasn't.

mantra: http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/519/10/ (bottom middle panel)

When I first read that I thought MANTRA!! Like a reaction.

The fight showed similar moves like tekkai, snake dance = kami-e and reading moves= mantra. that's what a connection is, not Breathing.

SMUDGE

I never said I didn't get the joke, I made no comment on how funny or not funny your post was. I was simply questioning what made you think that it was obvious that you agreed.

tekkai: http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/519/08/

mantra: http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/519/10/ (bottom middle panel)

So if someone hardens their body or uses a move prediction technique it has to all be related to haki? The thing is that it is likely in some examples but there are too many other similar scenes throughout the Manga that fit the bill.

On Amazon Lily the only move that is Haki related is the Hardening side of things, as shown with the snakes, and arrows. But I don't believe the move prediction part is caused by Haki.

My point is people will get confused between moves created by skill or DF powers and think it is because of haki. Which makes their skills seem cheap in my opinion.

brennen.exe

Yes. you couldn't have said it better, but I'm not to sure about garp, it could have been comedy

Every time someone with a power gets hit/hurt and they shouldn't, someone makes a comment about it. Be it the person who did the hitting, the person who received the hitting, or some other bystander watching the fight. If there is no comment, it was for comedic effect. That's Oda's way of saying, "hey, this isn't normal." Yes, you can go back and check pretty much every instance of this. They all have them. The answer, as far as we currently know, is either natural enemy to a power or haki.

@SMUDGE:

So if someone hardens their body or uses a move prediction technique it has to all be related to haki?

@SMUDGE:

My point is people will get confused between moves created by skill or DF powers and think it is because of haki. Which makes their skills seem cheap in my opinion.

You probably should read the whole discussion going on before commenting. I'm pretty sure we are being clear on this being theory. Of course it isn't fact or canon. In any case, I answered all of this almost exactly on the last page.

The thing is that it is likely in some examples but there are too many other similar scenes throughout the Manga that fit the bill.

Like what? And before responding, read my first paragraph in this post.

But I don't believe the move prediction part is caused by Haki.

What, exactly, about this sentence do you not believe? (The word for "Ambition" here being "Haki"):

Women: "What movement! No blow ever lands on Sonia-sama, thanks to her Ambition!"

Urouge

So if someone hardens their body or uses a move prediction technique it has to all be related to haki? The thing is that it is likely in some examples but there are too many other similar scenes throughout the Manga that fit the bill.

On Amazon Lily the only move that is Haki related is the Hardening side of things, as shown with the snakes, and arrows. But I don't believe the move prediction part is caused by Haki.

My point is people will get confused between moves created by skill or DF powers and think it is because of haki. Which makes their skills seem cheap in my opinion.

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/519/12/ top left panel verifies that the movement prediction (probably the same as Mantra) is due to haki.

Nobody said that all the examples have to be related to haki, but there is reason to believe that these things are. The DF's that these women have are zoans, and shouldn't provide them with such abilities. They've been defined as haki users, from an island that specializes in haki. There's no reason to assume that these things aren't related. I'd say that there is over a 50% chance that all three things are (Mantra nearly 100%).

brennen.exe

@Narutossss:

Yes. you couldn't have said it better, but I'm not to sure about garp, it could have been comedy

Every time someone with a power gets hit/hurt and they shouldn't, someone makes a comment about it. Be it the person who did the hitting, the person who received the hitting, or some other bystander watching the fight. If there is no comment, it was for comedic effect. That's Oda's way of saying, "hey, this isn't normal." Yes, you can go back and check pretty much every instance of this. They all have them. The answer, as far as we currently know, is either natural enemy to a power or haki.

@SMUDGE:

So if someone hardens their body or uses a move prediction technique it has to all be related to haki?

@SMUDGE:

My point is people will get confused between moves created by skill or DF powers and think it is because of haki. Which makes their skills seem cheap in my opinion.

You probably should read the whole discussion going on before commenting. I'm pretty sure we are being clear on this being theory. Of course it isn't fact or canon. In any case, I answered all of this almost exactly on the last page.

@SMUDGE:

The thing is that it is likely in some examples but there are too many other similar scenes throughout the Manga that fit the bill.

Like what? And before responding, read my first paragraph in this post.

@SMUDGE:

But I don't believe the move prediction part is caused by Haki.

What, exactly, about this sentence do you not believe? (The word for "Ambition" here being "Haki"):

Women: "What movement! No blow ever lands on Sonia-sama, thanks to her Ambition!"

I have been buried, so I am reposting…

Narutossss

Hakiiiiiiiiiii .

Urouge

@Narutossss:

Hakiiiiiiiiiii.

@Narutossss:

Please don't troll.

Oh, the irony.

Narutossss

Oh, the irony.

I saw that coming.

Zkaiser

that instant KO thing seem to be more…ughh...metaphysical. Or, yeah, a combination of both.

What instant KO thing?

SMUDGE

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/519/12/ top left panel verifies that the movement prediction (probably the same as Mantra) is due to haki.

Nobody said that all the examples have to be related to haki, but there is reason to believe that these things are. The DF's that these women have are zoans, and shouldn't provide them with such abilities. They've been defined as haki users, from an island that specializes in haki. There's no reason to assume that these things aren't related. I'd say that there is over a 50% chance that all three things are (Mantra nearly 100%).

So you believe Enel used haki? (serious question)

Also the move prediction was used by Sandersonia, and later called 'snake dance' when she avoided 'gatling gun'. This would imply that the technique was related to her Df abilities, wouldn't you agree.

This is what I was talking about when I said people would get confused between Df moves and Haki techniques. Because some characters seem to use a combination of skill, haki and Df techniques during the fights. (which can be hard to decipher)

Urouge

@Zkaiser:

What instant KO thing?

Where Shanks and Rayleigh knock out a bunch of weakos, I assume.

So you believe Enel used haki? (serious question)

Also the move prediction was used by Sandersonia, and later called 'snake dance' when she avoided 'gatling gun'. This would imply that the technique was related to her Df abilities, wouldn't you agree.

I believe his mantra utilized haki, yes. Also, http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/519/12/ verifies that her movement anticipation is due to haki. They say it plain as day. "Incredible movements, with the power of her haki, there's no attack Sonia-sama can't avoid!" It was followed by Luffy commenting about how she was reading his attacks.

Narutossss

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Narutossss

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SMUDGE

Where Shanks and Rayleigh knock out a bunch of weakos, I assume.

I believe his mantra utilized haki, yes. Also, http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/519/12/ verifies that her movement anticipation is due to haki. They say it plain as day. "Incredible movements, with the power of her haki, there's no attack Sonia-sama can't avoid!" It was followed by Luffy commenting about how she was reading his attacks.

Yes the first move prediction was haki but the second one named snake dance appears to be from her devil fruit, the name gives that much away. Yet again I'm saying that something is being mistaken for haki because haki is being used in various scenes of the fight.

I will say it really simply

The first moves was read using Haki. The second move called snake dance was her df abilities. The two different techniques are being confused with each other, as well as multiple other scenes in the manga.

Urouge