The War With Whitebeard
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Did some cleaning up of the last 5 or so pages… wow! I hope I did a semi-decent job of it.
Here's hoping that the discussion doesn't go in that direction again, huh?
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btw do any of you guys think that maybe one of the two remaining emperors was a pirate on whitebeards ship? a lot of the time people bring up why there isn't any older crew mates like whitebeard on his ship and that may be because they either got killed off at some point or they left the crew to make their own pirate crew. shanks was a rookie on rogers ship and he wound up being an emperor and i don't think it's to far fetched thinking that one of whitebeards men left and rose in power and eventually also became an emperor. maybe whitebeards former 1st mate and others from his crew left and formed their own pirate crew and that's why whitebeard wasn't able to dominate the seas after roger died? something like that must of happened because i don't understand why whitebeard wasn't able to to conquer the sea in rogers absence and it would also explain why he has so many young guys as his commanders. would that ex whitebeard pirate help whitebeard in this upcoming battle? we know kaidou tried to attack whitebeard so maybe it's not him or maybe it is him but the other unnamed emperor might be the the former crew member.
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I still think Lola's mother is a yonkou but is is possible that she was a WB pirate at some point. Besides, I believe there really should be 1 female yonkou
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I still think Lola's mother is a yonkou but is is possible that she was a WB pirate at some point. Besides, I believe there really should be 1 female yonkou
well i personnally wouldnt want the remaining yonkou to be a woman unless they were based on one of these famous pirates
Anne Bonny (1719-1720) Female Pirate of the Caribbean
Mary Read - Famous English Female Pirate of the Caribbean
Lady Killigrew (1530-1570)
Grace O’Malley - Famous Irish woman pirate who commanded three galleys and 200 men
Mrs. Peter Lambert of Aldeburgh, Suffolk
Jacquotte Delahaye - Female Pirate of the Caribbean
Anne Dieu-le-veut - Female Pirate of the Caribbean
Charlotte de Berry - Woman pirate
Mrs Ching - Chinese wife of a pirate who turned to Piracy after his death
Mary Crickett (or Crichett) was a female pirate who was hung
**although i have a feeling one of those names are taken (bonney)
personally i want the last Yonkou to be based on Mrs ching, as i think there's a certain romance about her becoming a pirate after her husbands death, but the chances of this happening are 0.1%
Mrs. Saou a former prostitute from Canton was the wife of Chen I, a pirate of some standing. They were married from 1801 – 1807 when Chin I died. Together they had built a fleet composed of fifty thousand pirates that dominated the sea to the south of China.
After her husbands death Mrs. Saou took over command of the fleet by securing the help of her husband's relatives and seducing her husband's adopted son and placing him in charge of the most powerful of her various fleets. Mrs. Saou and Chang Pao were later married and together with him running the day to day operation of the fleet and her acting as commander and chief of the fleets, came up with a code of conduct that brooked no disobedience.
Ching Shih and her husband successfully defended themselves against the government for three years by defeating all of the fleets sent against them and by raiding ships and villages along the south China coast and killing the men and carrying the women and children away.
Together Mrs. Shih and her first husband Cheng I had built a fleet composed of fifty thousand pirates at its height. With her second husband she fought off government forces bent on destroying the pirate fleets for three years. Every empire must fall and all things, good or bad, must come to an end. When the Chinese government asked Portugal and Britain for help, Mrs. Shih saw her empire coming to an end. The Chinese government made her an offer for amnesty. Mrs. Shuh took it but on her terms. After nine years as a pirate, three of which she acted as commander and chief, Mrs. Shih brokered a deal of amnesty for her fleet that would have made a cigar smoking politican proud.
The pirates kept their plunder and those that choose to would join the army. Her husband kept twenty junks and was bestowed a rank in the army. Of all of the fleet that surrendered over seventeen thousand pirates, only a handful had any type of punitive action perpetrated against them. Of the ones that were punished, only about one hundred and twenty six were executed.
After their retirement from their life at sea, Ching Shuh and her husband moved to Canton and then moved to Fukien where she had a boy child. After her husband's death in 1822, Ching Shuh moved back to Canton were she died in 1822 at the age of sixty-nine.**
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No way am I reading that…
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@john giant
Jewelry 'the gluttony' Bonney (only girl supernova) is most likely based from Anne Bonney, so scratch her from the list
btw, i just saw her name, i didnt read the whole post, it was too long
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The only thing I’m really having a difficult time grasping is why all this is going on when we’re a little more than halfway through the series (logically). “If Whitebeard is supposed to be the most powerful person in the world, he should be the final boss”; such is the way of tradition stories from anywhere. Killing Whitebeard off would mean introducing a new main villain, one that has wronged Luffy in some way (Whitebeard hasn’t done anything to Luffy, so Luffy will only fight him if Whitebeard gets in his way. Thus, since Blackbeard has already nearly destroyed his brother and his brother’s dream (and Luffy hates it when you touch what’s his) if he kills Whitebeard (“I want to make him king, and not you.”—Chapter 159, Volume 18), Blackbeard could very well be his new main enemy. Also, notice that:
1. Whitebeard is still alive and kicking in the previews for the 10th movie,
2. Ace wasn’t there and
3. The Straw Hats are back together (it hasn’t been stated that the movie is canon, but Oda is working on it so I’m taking it into consideration for the sake of having some idea of where all this might be going).
It’s all so vague. I hope we get some light shed on this soon; I’m losing sleep over all this. -
me wonder if whitebeard is gonna survive ths war. who thinkz he will?
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I Personal Think He Will And I Don't Think Black Beard Is Gonna Be The Final Enemy
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I thought Oda was setting up Black Beard to be the final adversary. Though maybe he peaks before he gets to be as powerful as Shanks or WB.
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its possible but i don't believe that
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I thought Oda was setting up Black Beard to be the final adversary. Though maybe he peaks before he gets to be as powerful as Shanks or WB.
well you have to remember out of all the famous people mentioned that sengoku has come out ontop, wb maybe king of the seas but sengoku is ruler of the marines and has a bigger force at his command, including shichbukai and other agaents and specialist people…....
ontop of that his health is better......
Blackbeard maybe strong but the one consistent enemy that has always reigned supreme is the marines, i also think that Blackbeard wont be the final enemy as there are other people we haven't even seen that seem to be doing better, such as dragon, the four Yonkou and other people we haven't even seen yet. even the Gorosei could be in this strong category, i personally see Blackbeard as being ace's enemy, if wb does come head to head with him then i see ace saving him to put things right, how else will ace right those wrongs, of losing to bb and putting wb in this position, even if he tried his hardest im sure he is feeling guilt, especially if anything happened to his adoptive father, after all if wb dies the power balance will shift, the protection of islands will cease and hundreds of people will die......... that's what this boils down too. a score that ace must settle...
hopefully we will see the sh crew fight bb crew, as some of the matchups are cool.....eg
brooke vs lafitte
jesus burgess vs franky
doc Q vs chopper
van auger vs ussopwith zoro and sanji facing other people in the war, and luffy facing a marine or shichibukai (zoro vs mihawk maybe)
another thing that hints at the shichbukai being disbanded is that
moria was beaten by Luffy
kuma wouldn't fight Luffy
hancock supports Luffy
jinbei is taking wb side and might be saved by Luffy
mihawk should be zoros fight
doflamingo and Blackbeard im not sure on but what im getting at is the stability of the shichibukai is slowly but surely being broken and will soon be too much trouble to be useful.if this war carries on till their is a winner one thing is for sure, the power balance will sway and heads will roll, be it marines, Yonkou, kingdoms, shichibukai and so on... the repocusions will be dire
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In all honesty, with the twists that Oda throws in from time to time I wouldn't be surprised if either WB or BB were just being hyped up. There's no denying that they're powerful, sure. But… :getlost:
BB could easily continue with his killing streak, culminating in the death of WB and him claiming the title of Strongest Pirate. This sets up the scenario where Luffy beats him, for various reasons such as him nearly killing off his beloved brother and his dream, hurting Shanks (if he ever found out) and enjoying the pie on Jaya.
This also means that the protection that WB extended to places such as Fishman Island would falter and leave them in peril, and the war would probably escalate, resulting in large numbers of casualties and...generally bad stuff occuring. I bet Dragon would have fun with that. :happy:Who knows, we may find something out about the Will of the D while they're at it. He's got the most reasoning to be after Teach's blood.
Conversely, WB could trounce BB. This would show the power gulf between Ace and WB, as well as prove that the old geezer's still got it. Luffy would then have to take him down, despite having no real ill will against him. This proves that he's also beaten the man who just lost out to be the Pirate King, even if he wasn't in his prime.
Either way. Defeating either of these foes will likely prove that Luffy has surpassed Shanks. It might not be as obvious in the second scenario though. Or we could have Luffy and Shanks facing off. Again, not as an antagonist; but just as a conclusion to prove that he's achieved what he set out to do.
There could also be another person who emerges to become the final villian, who we haven't seen yet. :ninja:
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I personally really hope that Dragon will end up participating in this war
From his generaly malcious look, i think he planned evrything…..and pridicted the war or soemthing
There's a reason why he's called "revolutionalist", he probability have the suppoet of general public, and his political figutre will becomes more and more important in New World.
as for the war, there's no way Dragon will miss the chance to godly pwn world goverment.
WG doesn't stand a chance with WB, (posibilty shanks) and (posibilty dragon) ...although they won't be working together -
So with the Whitebeard vs the World Government battle drawing ever closer, do you think Oda will give Dragon a role in the upcoming battle. I believe this would be a perfect time to expound on the revolutionaries and reveal just how strong Monkey. Dragon really is. Because both Ace and Luffy are in Impel Down. it wouldn't be too farfetched to assume that Dragon will maybe join up with Wb in an attack on the WG. I mean this would be the ideal time to stage a world coup + both his sons are in danger. SO what do you guys think?
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My personal opinion is that this battle will throw the world in chaos: the WB pirates will be no more, the Yonkou (Sankou now? lol) will fight for his former territories, most of the Shichibukai will go rogue, the Marine HQ will be in shambles… Only then Dragon will strike.
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But Dragon's goal is to overthrow the WG. It would make more sense to strike in a combined effort with whitebeard in order to destroy the WG. I see your point in that Dragon may strike when the WG is weakened by its battle with WB, but you have to consider that Ace's (as well as Luffy's) life is on the line. Dragon did stop Smoker from capturing Luffy back then so he may intervene again.
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Going on what Ace has said, I have no reason to think that Dragon will suddenly take an interest in his son now. If anything, I just expect him to make more radical revolutionary movements, but not take part in the war directly like a joint effort with Whitebeard.
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I suggest moving this thread to the war thread where it belongs.
Anyways to answer the question. Think of it as a chess game. In chess the final aim is to take down the king. Only for this aim you take down everything else if necessary. And this is what Dragons ultimate goal is, while Newgate simply wants to wreak some havoc.
Ok, now we all know chess isn't a three way dance but for this battle strategy we could look at it that way. So if the WG concentrates all its pieces to confront the Newgate faction, the king is wide open for an attack from Dragons pieces.
True Dragon could at the same time use the situation to eliminate as much pieces of the WG as possible but since his ultimate goal is finish of the king he'll use the situation to his advantage. Yes, all the strong pieces might be close to the king, but that doesn't help still if they are aranged in a way concentrating only on fighting of Newgate's pieces and not being prepared for Dragons attack.
Which is why I still think that Dragon would be dumb to not use this situation to his advantage. Unless of course he does pull of an "my son is more important then my revolution" in the end, which I seriously doubt.
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I'm not really sure about how to move this thread so if there are any mods reading this, could you please merge this with the war thread.
But I don't believe that Dragon has only two options, take down the World Government or save his sons. Yes he could wait until the battle is over then strike thus dooming Ace and Luffy, or he could create a monster coalition by teaming up with Whitebeard and use the Havoc of the War as an opportunity to take down the WG and save Ace and Luffy.
Going on what Ace has said, I have no reason to think that Dragon will suddenly take an interest in his son now. If anything, I just expect him to make more radical revolutionary movements, but not take part in the war directly like a joint effort with Whitebeard.
Luffy did not even know he had a father at Loguetown yet Dragon clearly intervened when Luffy was in danger, so one can't elimminate the possibility that he will intervene again.
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Puff The Dragon?
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no don't think so if he really is a true revolutionary(cares for the world and such lol) why would he free those bastards of the world kept in ID?
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no don't think so if he really is a true revolutionary(cares for the world and such lol) why would he free those bastards of the world kept in ID?
Perhaps because not everyone at Impel Down is an evil bastard? Furthermore wouldn't the supporters of his revolution also be sent to Impel Down when captured? It's all a matter of perspective. ;)
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Hmmm… I think Dragon will take advantage of this situation. Given how powerful Whitebread must be (given how much firepower is being called forth to stop him), the odds are good that after this war the World Government will be slightly weaker than Dragon's forces, allowing him a chance to swoop in and annihilate. As for caring for his sons, he probably assumes that Ace will be save by Whitebread and doesn't know about Luffy.
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Don't think he cares about his sons as much more than tool. Maybe a little more than tools but definitely puts his goals above their safety. He showed himself to Luffy but the elder Brother Ace has never seen him.
Could just be because Ace was never in need of his help like Luffy, but also possible he has important plans for Luffy. Comments after Enies Lobby reinforce his idea. Obviously didn't try to speak to Ace when he first entered the New World and became world (in)famous himself.
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I bet the world government are fully aware he can take them out when their weak after the WB fight, which is why i think…............ they are going to reveal a huge force of Pacifista right after meant to replace the forces they lost to WB, like "foolish fools!!, you thought wed be weak after this, think again!!!".
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but majority of Impel Down are evil person, and not all revolutionary are good some do it for loot/treasure after raiding cities and towns and pirates will always be bad no matter who they help.
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My personal opinion is that this battle will throw the world in chaos: the WB pirates will be no more, the Yonkou (Sankou now? lol) will fight for his former territories, most of the Shichibukai will go rogue, the Marine HQ will be in shambles… Only then Dragon will strike.
just to let youguys know they talked about on of the emporers going to stop Whitbeard, but red hair stood in the way, so in a way the emporers are already fighting amongst them selves. =P and I think it was kaido who tried to intervine.
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The only thing that Dragon would gain from helping cause more chaos in Impel Down is to well… Causing chaos in Impel Down.
There really isn't anything there. I'm guessing he cares a little about his kids, but if he truely did, he wouldn't let Ace get to where he is right now.
If he kills one of the big wigs during the war, then yeah he would be there.
Maybe WhiteBeard, Maybe one of the admirals... Whichever he likes. -
do you guys really believe dragon is going to penetrate a locked up impel down to save Luffy??
First of all he probably has better things to do right now and he knows his son is strong. second, he doesn't know that Luffy is in Impel Down and he doesn't know he is defeated, rogue town was probably more about chance then anything else. or do you think maybe dragon is the doctor Gero type that has a littile flying spy that follows Luffy everywhere he goes to see where you are and measure your progress?
I think it would be seriously lame if dragon were to be able to infiltrate the prison now and goes to save Luffy. Then the whole Bentham-saves-luffy-from-death-thing that has been set up would have been in vain and I for one really want to see this happen -
do you guys really believe dragon is going to penetrate a locked up impel down to save Luffy??
First of all he probably has better things to do right now and he knows his son is strong. second, he doesn't know that Luffy is in Impel Down and he doesn't know he is defeated, rogue town was probably more about chance then anything else. or do you think maybe dragon is the doctor Gero type that has a littile flying spy that follows Luffy everywhere he goes to see where you are and measure your progress?
I think it would be seriously lame if dragon were to be able to infiltrate the prison now and goes to save Luffy. Then the whole Bentham-saves-luffy-from-death-thing that has been set up would have been in vain and I for one really want to see this happenand how do you explain Garp knowing that Luffy met his father? I'm not saying that Dragon might go and save Luffy and Ace but there's a slight chance, Dragon and Garp maintain a good connection so probably Garp told Dragon about Luffy being in ID, or "maybe" Garp knows that Luffy met his father at loguetown because of the CIA/FBI of WG lol.
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and how do you explain Garp knowing that Luffy met his father?
Because he heard Smokers report, no? :wassat:
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that would be the most logical indeed so that is in no way the same as dragon knowing about Luffy being in ID
I think Garp hasn't got a lot of contact with dragon and that he hasn't contacted him about luffy either. It would just be strange. I mean, Garp is a real marine, not some guy that tries to do sneaky thing to the WG behind there back (besides, we already have 2 of such characters namely BB and Kuma), if he wanted to do that he could,ve done that like 30 years before too. . ., why start now? -
that would be the most logical indeed so that is in no way the same as dragon knowing about Luffy being in ID
I think Garp hasn't got a lot of contact with dragon and that he hasn't contacted him about luffy either. It would just be strange. I mean, Garp is a real marine, not some guy that tries to do sneaky thing to the WG behind there back (besides, we already have 2 of such characters namely BB and Kuma), if he wanted to do that he could,ve done that like 30 years before too. . ., why start now?I agree with u .
I think Smoker just told Garp about Dragon . Nothing more.'
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I think Oda will not make this arc be crowded with too many major characters. Having the three yonkous (WB, Shanks, Kaido), Marine's top brass, all the Sachibukais and the Revolutionary Army in one single arc, without any other SH except Luffy being shown, is not a plausible speculation. Actually I think this war will be averted when Ace and Luffy will successfully escape Impel Down. So all of those excited seeing fights between the big names will just meet serious disapointments.
Well, Dragon will probably show up in the New World.
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I think Oda will not make this arc be crowded with too many major characters. Having the three yonkous (WB, Shanks, Kaido), Marine's top brass, all the Sachibukais and the Revolutionary Army in one single arc, without any other SH except Luffy being shown, is not a plausible speculation. Actually I think this war will be averted when Ace and Luffy will successfully escape Impel Down. So all of those excited seeing fights between the big names will just meet serious disapointments.
Actually I think that the exact opposite is more plausible. The Strawhats have times and again (with Mihawk, Kuzan, Kuma and Borsalino) have been shown how small they still are in comparison to the big boys of the world. And since this war practically is a collision of the Three Great Powers it'd be anything but plausible if the little Strawhats are an important factor here.
It's more plausible that the big and wide world continues spinning without the Strawhat's involvement.
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i think that dragon is paying close attention to the war and all its details, including the capture and execution date of ace, i wouldn't be surprised to see dragon at some point but not until Luffy has saved ace and is en route to escaping the prison, perhaps when they emerge the front doors they will see the battle ships destroyed with dragon standing among the wreckage, either way i would be surprised to see dragon enter impel down, but even more surprised to see him not attempt to save his son ace. i think he will be surprised to see Luffy though if this was to happen.
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Actually I think that the exact opposite is more plausible. The Strawhats have times and again (with Mihawk, Kuzan, Kuma and Borsalino) have been shown how small they still are in comparison to the big boys of the world. And since this war practically is a collision of the Three Great Powers it'd be anything but plausible if the little Strawhats are an important factor here.
It's more plausible that the big and wide world continues spinning without the Strawhat's involvement.
I just see the recent events as mere introductions to major characters we'll be expecting in the NW.
Given the short time left before Ace's execution, which also means the time left before we'll see the war if it will really happen, the SH will have no way of reuniting before that. That's why I think this war will be averted. And the big fight some of you are expecting to happen soon will happen much later.
@John:
i think that dragon is paying close attention to the war and all its details, including the capture and execution date of ace, i wouldn't be surprised to see dragon at some point but not until Luffy has saved ace and is en route to escaping the prison, perhaps when they emerge the front doors they will see the battle ships destroyed with dragon standing among the wreckage, either way i would be surprised to see dragon enter impel down, but even more surprised to see him not attempt to save his son ace. i think he will be surprised to see Luffy though if this was to happen.
If Oda do that, Luffy's intrusion to and escape from ID will be less climactic. I think Oda will make Luffy the second person to ever escape Impel Down by himself, without the aid of anyone. He should achieve more fame than the flying pirate Sengoku told.
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If Oda does that, Luffy's intrusion to and escape from ID will be less climactic. I think Oda will make Luffy the second person to ever escape Impel Down by himself, without the aid of anyone. He should achieve more fame than the flying pirate Sengoku told.
yes, i think he will escape impel down, but not the warships surrounding it, i see it concluding something like the enies lobby arc did, where luffy is too weak after the fighting to be able to take on the warships, this is where i think dragon will help out, but i also think that perhaps the crew might help as well, but either way whoever helps one thing im sure about is that Luffy wont have enough strength to single-handedly take on that fleet once he's escaped…..
i don't think Luffy destroying the ships or not will have any major impact on the achievement of breaking ace out, it will be much better then what the flying pirate did because what Luffy is attempting will change the very outcome of the war, wb will not need to rush into this war in an attempt to save ace, instead he can bide his time until he gets a better opportunity with bb without risking any more lives of his crew by trying to save ace
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Oh i think WB won't stop even if the marines decide to free Ace. As it has been said "the rampage can't be stopped". Garp and Shanks said it. WB is ready to punish the marines and mainly BB for his outrageous actions.
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@John:
yes, i think he will escape impel down, but not the warships surrounding it, i see it concluding something like the enies lobby arc did, where luffy is too weak after the fighting to be able to take on the warships, this is where i think dragon will help out, but i also think that perhaps the crew might help as well, but either way whoever helps one thing im sure about is that Luffy wont have enough strength to single-handedly take on that fleet once he's escaped…..
i don't think Luffy destroying the ships or not will have any major impact on the achievement of breaking ace out, it will be much better then what the flying pirate did because what Luffy is attempting will change the very outcome of the war, wb will not need to rush into this war in an attempt to save ace, instead he can bide his time until he gets a better opportunity with bb without risking any more lives of his crew by trying to save ace
There are tons of possibilities on how he can escape. One I'm speculating to happen is a help from that okama which Mr 2 wants to see. He's probably very strong. Or maybe from a combined force of Jimbei, Ace and the rest of the escapees. Even if Luffy is worn out, those guys will certainly be able to get passed through those battelships. Admirals and Vice-admirals are not there right (except Momonga). They may actually steal one if they like.
Oh i think WB won't stop even if the marines decide to free Ace. As it has been said "the rampage can't be stopped". Garp and Shanks said it. WB is ready to punish the marines and mainly BB for his outrageous actions.
So we'll be expecting an entire arc not involving the SH? WB pirates vs Marine's top brass? It'll be better if SH fight WB directly which will put more conflict in the story since Luffy and Ace are brothers.
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So we'll be expecting an entire arc not involving the SH? WB pirates vs Marine's top brass? It'll be better if SH fight WB directly which will put more conflict in the story since Luffy and Ace are brothers.
Why would the SHs fight WB? I don't get it.
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^Anything is possible you know. I'm just betting on what I feel will be an exciting fight. Once the SH reaches NW, it's obvious they'll need to confront the yonkous.
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If the SHs will fight the rest of the WBs crew then it will be in a new arc.
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^And that's why I'm saying this war will probably be averted. WB pirates' strength should only be realized once they fight the SH. Well, that's what I'm hoping for. Also, if the war will really take place, then there should be a clear loser. I can't imagine a force (Marines, Sachibukais, WB, etc.) losing before they can even fight the SH. I believe the SH should have serious confrontations with all these entities at least once.
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Actually I think that the exact opposite is more plausible. The Strawhats have times and again (with Mihawk, Kuzan, Kuma and Borsalino) have been shown how small they still are in comparison to the big boys of the world. And since this war practically is a collision of the Three Great Powers it'd be anything but plausible if the little Strawhats are an important factor here.
It's more plausible that the big and wide world continues spinning without the Strawhat's involvement.
I agree with this, IMO there should be no screen time given to ants (Strawhats) on a dragon's (Three Great Powers) battle field.
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@Muscle:
I agree with this, IMO there should be no screen time given to ants (Strawhats) on a dragon's (Three Great Powers) battle field.
Considering that Luffy has made it all the way to Impel Down…I can say that's not gonna happen. The time for the SHs not to get involved has passed.
It's especially unlikely when you consider that Luffy and Whitebeard both have the same goal of rescuing Ace.
And...did you just insult the SHs using a quote from Yamamoto of Bleach? Really?
And that's why I'm saying this war will probably be averted. WB pirates' strength should only be realized once they fight the SH. Well, that's what I'm hoping for. Also, if the war will really take place, then there should be a clear loser. I can't imagine a force (Marines, Sachibukais, WB, etc.) losing before they can even fight the SH. I believe the SH should have serious confrontations with all these entities at least once.
The thing is, the WB pirate strength can be realized long before the battle ends. The World Government has many powerful forces that the WB can defeat before either side is at risk of losing this war. We can see all of their strengths before it ends. Storywise, the SHs (and all the nova come to think of it) will in the future face the winners of this war.
It's already established that these forces are stronger then the SHs. In that sense, only one side is needed for the Strawhat's story. If they have to beat the current champions to become Pirate King, then there's no problem if someone takes the championship in the meantime (or, if it's retained, whatever).
It's unlikely that this war will "be averted" when both sides have already drawn blood. At best, this battle will receive some kind of interruption that devastates both sides.
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Considering that Luffy has made it all the way to Impel Down…I can say that's not gonna happen. The time for the SHs not to get involved has passed.
It's especially unlikely when you consider that Luffy and Whitebeard both have the same goal of rescuing Ace.
Still don't stop Luffy from failing to save his bro, and Ace being transport off to Mariejoa, where this war might jump off.
And…did you just insult the SHs using a quote from Yamamotoof Bleach? Really?
The dragons and ants thing has been around long before Yamamoto of Bleach, and the Straw hats are a bunch of ants, compared to the Three Great Powers. I thought all the members learned that, during the Sabaody Archipelago Arc?