idk, maybe. Alot of younger members now.
I like CornWiggle, and I didn't see the conversation, but if he rated you 0 ONLY because you rated him 4, then that I would have a problem with. If it was for other reasons, it's justified.
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The point I tried making with my last post;
Nobody's stopping you from expressing your opinion. When I look at this forum and see a bunch of compliments, well, I see a forum full of a bunch of nice guys who either like everybody else genuinely, or simply want to stay on the nicer side of things.
And while you DO have the right to complain about other people, or critisize them, doing it about the fact they're not critisizing enough seems kind of silly.
Though some good points have been brought up yourselves, I'm just, well, stating my opinion.
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Yeah, but we aren't allowed to critisize. That's the problem.
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Originally posted by Paulie@Jun 4 2005, 12:16 AM
**The point I tried making with my last post;Nobody's stopping you from expressing your opinion. When I look at this forum and see a bunch of compliments, well, I see a forum full of a bunch of nice guys who either like everybody else genuinely, or simply want to stay on the nicer side of things.
And while you DO have the right to complain about other people, or critisize them, doing it about the fact they're not critisizing enough seems kind of silly.
Though some good points have been brought up yourselves, I'm just, well, stating my opinion.
[snapback]62528[/snapback]**Everybody's free to do it, so, why not?
I consider myself one of the so-called nice guys, and I do geniuinely have nothing against anyone. That's just how I generally act in my life, I love the social commentary. But, obviously, if someone was all up in my face with abuse, asking for trouble and getting on my nerves, I wouldn't ask why. I'd just wipe the floor with 'em.
I suppose that's just impulsive, but, that's me.
Personally, I don't get the entire point to this thread. It just seems like an argument that has gone way out of hand, and is being dominated by the opinions of three people, namely The Devil, Judas Christ, and Kaizoku-Ou. I wish we'd just drop this whole thing, and get back to posting normally.
Whatever's happened in the past is gone. Get over it, and move on.
I hate to sound harsh, but we should forget this whole silly argument. I mean, complaining about people not being stricter, or harsh enough, is just crazy. And this whole Member Rating thing has me absolutely stumped, I must say.
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Whatever. I don't mind, but my opinion still stands as it is.
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Originally posted by Kaizoku-Ou@Jun 4 2005, 12:27 AM
Whatever. I don't mind, but my opinion still stands as it is.
[snapback]62545[/snapback]Fair enough. You're absolutely right to keep it as it is.
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i agree with Oi Sanji lets move on. anyways you live to your expectation and your a nice guy Oi Sanji. and Kaizoku what exactly is your opinion those who write true comments are evil. if so i think your mistaken (refrence page 8-11 in rate the member)
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I tried to talk about all these compliments but I guess people didn't like that I said that. I tried to say that I thought these were (what I thought were) unsincere compliments but some people acted like I was a terrible person. I tried to make some constructive criticism but the person apparently didn't even think about what I wrote and kept doing that bullshit. The thread had even been changed to let constructive criticism happen, but since I said what I thought I was suddenly a bad person.
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I don't mind either. Seems this place won't change, no matter how much we shout. Unfortunatelly.
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Originally posted by JudasChrist@Jun 4 2005, 12:31 AM
I don't mind either. Seems this place won't change, no matter how much we shout. Unfortunatelly.
[snapback]62552[/snapback]Sure, things can change. But they won't change if you just sit around talking about this, rather than speaking to someone who can actually do something about it.
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for one thing Jacobo you i personally never though your evil but straight forword and nothings wrong with it. if lets say the comment was said in rate the member then it ok but in say somthin nice about the member then the member will come here thinking its a nice comment hell get unfortunatly hes shocked to see that he got another post.
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I only posted how I felt in the Rate the Member thread after Solar Knight opened it to constructive criticism. I never went in the Say Something Nice About the Member Above You thread because I didn't want to be fake, and I didn't want to cause trouble for no reason if Solar Knight didn't want that. I do respect the people, I just don't think it's necessary to write it out.
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Where'd you get the idea that I think it's bad to say what you want?! That's the exact opposite of what I was saying. I think people should be allowed to say WHATEVER they want, not JUST the good things.
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Oi Sanji: The thing, man, is that there's no one here who can or wants to change this situation. So I can only express my opinion through threads. Simple.
Jacobo, man, it's not that if you post to the Say something Nice thread you're fake. I think everybody needs to return from work and see some nice comments bout him in the screen. My whole problem is that "I don't know you, but you're awesome" thingie. This is fake. Some of the comments on that thread though were thought-provoking enough.
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Kaizoku-Ou, if you're talking to me, that's not what I meant. I think people should get to say whatever they want.
JudasChrist- I don't think if you post there you're fake either, but some of the compliments there are fake. When I said I didn't want to be fake and post there I meant I didn't want to post about someone that I didn't really like and call them cool and 10/10.
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dont really now you but you seem cool and must say your sig is cool.
thats what i said to you what im a suppose to say lie or something. your sig at that time was nice and you seem known and loved and dont now you the only mistake in it was really now you because i dont now you at all
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Kaizoku-Ou, if you're talking to me, that's not what I meant. I think people should get to say whatever they want.
Nah, it wasn't at you, I probably should have quoted it but that's what thedevil say on page 3.
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i ment if you think the truth is bad then check bla bla, not the tuth is bad. i now basiclly you wont both the yin and the yang
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I look at this thread and I see, "You're all too nice!!!" This doesn't register as a bad thing to me. Maybe I'm weird.
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I can totally see your points about feeling you have to put up a 'nice' mask. Actually I kind of got a nice bug 'round here too; you should see how nasty I can get at the board I admin at, at 4chan, at the Hawks, etc etc. :lol: I never get sugary-sweet tho' - that just isn't my style, no matter how I slice it, and I prefer to be honest and upfront more than anything else (just ask SuNa about that, he gets shit from me all the time :lol: ).
Personally I prefer to be comfortable enough with people to where we can just dish out insults at each other and neither of us will take it seriously. Bastards. :lol:
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whoo im gone for a couple of hours and the topic explodes into 4 pages,
and ive never had a problem with expressing my opinion ive always said whats on my mind and that isnt something that ive been prohibited from doing here at AP so i cant see whats the problem is.
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If any of this has been said before then good, it's review.
The boards are too uptight. We can't flame or post a comment because it might offend somebody and GOD FORBID if somebody gets disagreed with over the internet. After all, internet is serious business. We can all post with a smile after every sentence, but suddenly you have a wider range of emotions and OH NOES, YOU CAN'T SAY THAT.
Also, everything gets taken way too personally. I didn't run over your dog, I just made a comment. Take it with a grain of salt. o.0 If I think you suck at internet I'll tell you. That doesn't mean that I just burned down your house and fucked your mom, all I did was state what I thought. If you can't handle that, intarweb is not for you.
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whooo you guys really wanna be allowed to insult people :lol:
and acctualy an insult is pretty personal to me if you started flaming me i would get pissed of and flame back….
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Wow, this thread emerged into quite a debate. xD
It's not so much that you can't speak your opinion, it's just respecting others. The guys that created this board wanted it to be enjoyable place for everybody.
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It's simple, treat people like you would offline. You don't "flame" people offline, do you? That'd get you, like, punched in the face.
Or, well, at least chastised. Possibly thrown out.
Wow, that sounds like here!
Hmmmmm….
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About the whole "Say something nice about the member above you" thing, I really don't care what people think of me, just say it to my face. If I say stuff about someone, I really mean it. I have nothing against ANYONE here on this board, because I respect everyones opinions and for who they are. When I say "Oh you rock to the ninth power!" I really mean it, and I'm not putting up a facade like "What I really mean is that your a fucking bitch and you can go get a life" I'm not like that. I don't say mean things to people because I'm the kind of person who is very easy going and tries to be friends with everyone. So yeah, That's my 5 and a half cents.
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_Originally posted by Kaizoku-Ou+Jun 3 2005, 07:18 PM–>QUOTE(Kaizoku-Ou @ Jun 3 2005, 07:18 PM)Yeah, but we aren't allowed to critisize. That's the problem.
[snapback]62529[/snapback]That's a bit misleading. You are allowed to criticize, as long as you're polite about it. I don't get why people keep confusing constructive criticism and outright flaming. I'm getting a little sick of seeing people say they can't have any sort of negative opinion. No one's ever been banned for having an opinion that differs from other peoples' opinions if they stated it politely(althought there's a couple who would like you to believe that they have). We don't want flaming here is all, there's a big difference.
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I don't mind either. Seems this place won't change, no matter how much we shout. Unfortunatelly.
[snapback]62552[/snapback]__I don't understand what it is you're wanting to change. You're making a pretty gross generalization about a board with hundreds of people and hundreds of topics. I find it difficult to believe you've looked at every thread and determined that you know everything about this community.
What is it you're after exactly? Did you honestly make a thread just to tell people they should be meaner to each other? Or the forum should allow people to be meaner? What? Because there's no rule here about having opinions, there IS a rule about being nasty to other members. How hard is it to expresss an opinion without bashing people who don't share it?
If you want people to be allowed to be outright mean to one another, then no.. that's not going to change. We don't want that here.. there's plenty of other forums out there for you if that's your desire.
If you want people to be allowed to express negative opinions, that's already allowed. We have a lot of good people on this forum who do express negative opinions, and it's seldom a problem because they do so without verbally attacking anyone.
A lot of this crap sprung up over the events of a couple folks who took some sort of strange glee in being abusive. These people weren't saints who were banned without cause… there were reasons for it.
I guess the bottom line is... if this isn't the sort of forum that you can feel comfortable at... you don't need to stay. The forum is what it is. We want it to be friendly, it's kinda a shame that some people want to make that as difficult a task as possible.
As for the mutual admiration threads... well, if you don't have anything nice to say.. don't post in them. I don't pretend to know even a quarter of the people on this forum, so you won't find me in a thread offering commentary on people I don't know. If you can't be nice, or at least constructive, just don't go there.
Lastly, I'm speaking for myself. This is my opinion, these are my thoughts._
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This forum reminds me of a comfy couch, Relaxing and welcoming.
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for me i think, argue in the pc is useless .. they can only act brave and show off in internet .. but if facing in real life ..(they'll become a chicken) .. I've met some person like that before .. but if argue in real life ,i think ,me and that person conversation won't take 5secs .. maybe he will be at hospitals after that .. in hong kong ,i've search the person argue with me in internet and found him out ,and teach him a lesson .. i had around 30s people surround that admin of the forums .. but i don't wanna explain the crap of before stuff ..
It's like ,we don't have to argue in Pc,just say some true words .. if saying something fakes and could be a friends ..i prefer not to be friends ..cause if like that .. you've lost something and that person is called as "a friend" and he picked up the stuff and he acts like he didn't had it …that's called a back stabber ..and keep on acting as your friends ..so it's really fakes .. (i am just talking about an example..) being a friends,should say some true words,but use the brain to choose to say or not ... it's that ok for my words typed out..?
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Originally posted by Konis@Jun 4 2005, 12:23 AM
**I don't understand what it is you're wanting to change. You're making a pretty gross generalization about a board with hundreds of people and hundreds of topics. I find it difficult to believe you've looked at every thread and determined that you know everything about this community.What is it you're after exactly? Did you honestly make a thread just to tell people they should be meaner to each other? Or the forum should allow people to be meaner? What? Because there's no rule here about having opinions, there IS a rule about being nasty to other members. How hard is it to expresss an opinion without bashing people who don't share it?
If you want people to be allowed to be outright mean to one another, then no.. that's not going to change. We don't want that here.. there's plenty of other forums out there for you if that's your desire.
If you want people to be allowed to express negative opinions, that's already allowed. We have a lot of good people on this forum who do express negative opinions, and it's seldom a problem because they do so without verbally attacking anyone.
A lot of this crap sprung up over the events of a couple folks who took some sort of strange glee in being abusive. These people weren't saints who were banned without cause… there were reasons for it.
I guess the bottom line is... if this isn't the sort of forum that you can feel comfortable at... you don't need to stay. The forum is what it is. We want it to be friendly, it's kinda a shame that some people want to make that as difficult a task as possible.
As for the mutual admiration threads... well, if you don't have anything nice to say.. don't post in them. I don't pretend to know even a quarter of the people on this forum, so you won't find me in a thread offering commentary on people I don't know. If you can't be nice, or at least constructive, just don't go there.
Lastly, I'm speaking for myself. This is my opinion, these are my thoughts.
[snapback]62647[/snapback]**The thing is, YES, I want people to be "meaner", at least when they speak to me. Cause when you say the truth, you're officially "mean", not only around here, but in real life too. Fuck, I don't need 500 posts about how cool I am or stuff. A single post saying "I find that you're wrong or a dumbhead, Judas, cause blah blah blah" is more worthy to me. And for the-last-fuckin-time, I didn't said all the above in order to turn this board into a battlefield. Know what? This board does not fullfil anymore my whole need for conversation. Know why? It's like a whole chimaira chase. Trying to build your imaginary paradise, where everyone's happy. Shit. That's why I'm going to another forum, where's actually CHAOS down there and everyone's posting whatever he freakin wants. So, I don't want this place to become chaos. Just a little bit more real. You don't want towards each other? OK then towards me for fuck's shake!
And no more "We're the good mods who actually keep this place up", OK. The members and the mods share a strong bond. Without members, the boards will perish. Without mods, the boards are chaos. So no more of this. Don't believe that cause you're mods, act cool and make others "respect" you, you're non-faulted messhiahs or somethin. I wonder, if we voted, and the bigest percent of the voters voted that "Hell, we want to be able to post even if we post less than four words", would you change the rule? Cause, as Sana-Kun had said, this place sometimes reminds me of a full monarchy.
It's not about respect about other opinions. Why do you keep tellin this same ol thingie bout respect all the time in this conversation? I personally find that if I say the truth to the other without insulting the hell outta him, I respect him more. Him, and myself. And don't ya think that starting a "quarrel" or a "fight" with words via internet is one of the dumbest things to do? Check the first page of this thread, the part where Gunther replies to me, and how he does it. Did I became hostile? Didi I start a flame war? Nah. Why should I? Maybe the things aren't so difficult like you want to believe. -
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Originally posted by Buccaneer@Jun 4 2005, 11:46 AM
**scratches headWhat's with the big blank space?
[snapback]62762[/snapback]**I was wondering the same thing.
JudasChrist, to me it seems that you really didn´t go through all the discussions here. Just take a look at a Franky vs Paulie thread and you´ll see how hard I can be in my arguments. I never attack people with differen opinions, but I sure sometimes don´t go easy on them and actually the guys are mature enough to accept it as a difference of opinion.
You obviously are pissed of by this "say something nice about blah blah blah" threads. Well guess what, this is a One Piece forum, so many of us maybe don´t even go to the other forums, let alone post is such threads.
I for instance never take part in popularity constest nor to I give my two cents there. And I´m sure there´s a quite a lot other fellow board members who avoid these threads and do what we are here for, to talk about One Piece.
I don´t even understand why you are bothered with people who are extremely nice to each other. It´s actually the same extreme as if I would be bothered by people who just come here for mindless rambling. Both party´s are extreme and both party´s are not the reasons why I am at a One Piece board. I´m here to talk about One Piece, as I assume the majority should be. I just don´t get why you have such a problem with it. Just ignore them and start discussing!
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Originally posted by P' Cinq
for me i think, argue in the pc is useless .. they can only act brave and show off in internet .. but if facing in real life ..(they'll become a chicken) .. I've met some person like that before .. but if argue in real life ,i think ,me and that person conversation won't take 5secs .. maybe he will be at hospitals after that .. in hong kong ,i've search the person argue with me in internet and found him out ,and teach him a lesson .. i had around 30s people surround that admin of the forums .. but i don't wanna explain the crap of before stuff ..If I understood that right, which is possible that I didn't because your English is appalling, some guy was acting brave on the internet, but you found him, and with 30 of your friends beat him down? Then you had the gall to say that he became a chicken when you had that many people against one of him?! Wow, sign off of the internet, you take it way too seriously.
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Well, iirc, English is his third language, but, uh…..I dunno.
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no i think he ment he beat him down alone and 30 people did something to forum something like that. as far as the chicken goes i think he ment via then et you can act brave but man to man your nothing
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lol thedevil ..you're wrong .. i think you will know if you see me in real life .. im not trying to bully you,just telling ya :) ..
i mean is ..i searched his address ..and i bring my people's ,down his home ,and near the park ..while he came down ..we all surround him .. and what i've said,i don't want to say it out here …
and actually ,those 30s people aren't my friends ..they're my little brothers and some are my brothers ..we're in 1 gang .. but i don't want to explain too much about gangster ..(so you guys won't learn bad ) .. how many people are inside my gang,i don't need to explain ..you can't count it ,and either myself .. it's everywhere in hong kong ...
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whoooo you got 30 people to beat up a guy who argued with ya on the internet :blink:
damn you take it way to serious and i mean way to serious and no if he got scared when he was surronded by 30 men that doesnt mean hes the coward that means you are the coward cause you couldnt just to man to man and fight ya had to bring your whole crew.
…..please dont beat me up cause i said this :P fear the yakuza or is that just the japanse maffia ?
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you know how many times i've fight 1 on 1 ,1 on 2,1 on 3,1 on 4 ,1 on 5 before? my highest times is 1 on 7 , but that was the only time i was holding a weapons …
by the way ..you know ..this world is like this .. i called 30s people ..for me i think it's less you know .. if it's a gang fight in hong kong ,you'll see 100s vs 100s .. thats what you won't see it from your eyes and infront of you ... but ..i don't want to say too much out .. there is alot stuff you don't really understand the world ..
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yeah thats probably how the world works just stated that the guy who was facing 30 guys wasnt a chicken cause he got scared i mean every one would be scared then i mean even you yourself would probably shit your pants if 30 guys showed upp and wanted to beat the crap outta ya
and 100 vs 100 is one thing but 30 vs 1 thats just cowardly IMO
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you know what .. a thailander are afraid " NOTHING " ..
you're just forcing me to say out my story before …
before i was 1 person ,playing basketball ,50s people came and ask me who's Boss i follow ,and i shouted to them Tsim sha tsui -Lou sun -Brother 9 (9 Gor in chinese) .. Gwai tim's Line ..and all of them said sorry to be mean to me ,what am i afraid of .. even if 50s,100s people infront of me ,i am not even scare ,i can tell you .. you can see my wearings and think im what kind of person .. maybe you try search "Post yer pic's" thread ..there's some pic of me .. you would guess what kind of person am i ...
but i promised my baby girl ,not to always think about fighting everytime and argue ,and etc .. so yeah .. i don't want to make myself mad and mad ... do you get what i means wolfwood?
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…...then ill never understand how thailanders think i myself would get scared if 30 or more guys showed up with the full intent of beating me to a bloody pulp,
and i think ya meant that you promised your girl that your gonna try to not to get pissed of and get into arguments cause youll just get mad and fight was that about right ?
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Well great P' Cing, keep up with your gangs, they'll get you quite far in life. I'm sure there's nothing to be afraid of in your third world country because the quality of life is so much beneath that of us civilized people. Have fun with your Yakuza though or whatever bullshit you're into.
I'm surprised you even know how to log onto the intarweb. Do you stab it to start it up?
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_Originally posted by JudasChrist+Jun 4 2005, 05:43 AM–>QUOTE(JudasChrist @ Jun 4 2005, 05:43 AM)The thing is, YES, I want people to be "meaner", at least when they speak to me. Cause when you say the truth, you're officially "mean", not only around here, but in real life too. Fuck, I don't need 500 posts about how cool I am or stuff. A single post saying "I find that you're wrong or a dumbhead, Judas, cause blah blah blah" is more worthy to me. And for the-last-fuckin-time, I didn't said all the above in order to turn this board into a battlefield. Know what? This board does not fullfil anymore my whole need for conversation. Know why? It's like a whole chimaira chase. Trying to build your imaginary paradise, where everyone's happy. Shit. That's why I'm going to another forum, where's actually CHAOS down there and everyone's posting whatever he freakin wants. So, I don't want this place to become chaos. Just a little bit more real. You don't want towards each other? OK then towards me for fuck's shake!
And no more "We're the good mods who actually keep this place up", OK. The members and the mods share a strong bond. Without members, the boards will perish. Without mods, the boards are chaos. So no more of this. Don't believe that cause you're mods, act cool and make others "respect" you, you're non-faulted messhiahs or somethin. I wonder, if we voted, and the bigest percent of the voters voted that "Hell, we want to be able to post even if we post less than four words", would you change the rule? Cause, as Sana-Kun had said, this place sometimes reminds me of a full monarchy... Way to not bother to read my post, even after quoting the whole damned thing =P
You've been gone how long and you just march right back and decide you want people to come here and be jerks? You want people to be nasty to you? Go hang out at Something Awful.
As for the 4 word thing… there are PLENTY of less than 4 word posts on this forum. The rule is mostly to keep people from posting posts just to say "Yeah", "Me too", "Whatever" and crap like that. Hell, I've only ever talked to ONE person for making a one word post, and it was because it was inappropriate.
Have fun at whatever other forum you go to, I hope it fulfills your need for people to be jerks to each other.
As for me, I'll stay here. At least here, even the folks I'm at odds with are decent._
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I'm just gonna jump in here. ^_~
Judas was not trying to pick a fight, he was laying things down as he sees them. Criticism is not beration.
Listen, this is the internet. If you want to be ignorant and live in a plastic bubble have fun with that. You're going to get bashed at some point. Get over it. People aren't always going to agree with you, they may even hate your opinion and they're going to let you know it. That's just common sense. It is inevitable.
Is it that hard for you to let people have more freedom? Will it kill your personal dreams of this forum? Is it not the utopia you dreamed of? Where do you get off cutting off people from how they want to say things?
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Originally posted by Sana-Kun@Jun 4 2005, 11:51 AM
**I'm just gonna jump in here. ^_~Judas was not trying to pick a fight, he was laying things down as he sees them. Criticism is not beration.
Listen, this is the internet. If you want to be ignorant and live in a plastic bubble have fun with that. You're going to get bashed at some point. Get over it. People aren't always going to agree with you, they may even hate your opinion and they're going to let you know it. That's just common sense. It is inevitable.
Is it that hard for you to let people have more freedom? Will it kill your personal dreams of this forum? Is it not the utopia you dreamed of? Where do you get off cutting off people from how they want to say things?
[snapback]62997[/snapback]**Like what, the freedom to call P'Cing an uncivilized idiot who is lucky to turn on the computer, like you just did? I'll pass.
And no, I will not "get over" stuff like being compared to the Nazis, a group that killed millions of innocents, just for tryng to do my job as a moderator.
You disagree with someone about an issue, just say "I disagree", then explain why you disagree without resort to call the guy a idiot. Simple as that.
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Ok, you don't want that freedom then, I do. Should I suffer for your unwillingness to change?
Being a moderator is not a job, it's a self-prescribed responsability. Can you not handle what people say? If you can't then maybe you aren't suited for stressful situations. Maybe you should just resign.
But if I want to call them an idiot I should have that option. I'm not saying it's ideal for everyone after every post to call others names, but it should be available as a choice.
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hong kong gangster aren't like those Yakuza or what ever , it's something you won't understand until you step the first step into it ..
i don't really care what people says inside a Pc like a international forums , but if it were a hong kong forum ,i would take it serious ..
a outside country forums ,that i won't even waste my time to fly there and search for a guy ,and there is no people of mine are there ,so it's kinda waste time if arguing with a out country person from internet ,so i'll just ignore what that person says ..
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So in other words, you can't find the words to express how cool it is to be in a gang in Hong Kong correct?
Somebody in the city you live in does something to piss you off so naturally like the thoughtful and intelligent person that you are, you take it to heart and set out to beat the living crap out of that person only as long as you have back up. But, if somebody from a different city insults you, you don't dare to get revenge then because you don't have people at your back. You sir, are a coward of the lowest class.
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sorry but does that mean if your alone your afraid.
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Originally posted by P' Cinq@Jun 4 2005, 05:09 PM
**hong kong gangster aren't like those Yakuza or what ever , it's something you won't understand until you step the first step into it ..i don't really care what people says inside a Pc like a international forums , but if it were a hong kong forum ,i would take it serious ..
a outside country forums ,that i won't even waste my time to fly there and search for a guy ,and there is no people of mine are there ,so it's kinda waste time if arguing with a out country person from internet ,so i'll just ignore what that person says ..
[snapback]63022[/snapback]**Who said Yakuza? I thought Hong Kong was Triad, right?
And as for this whole topic, I thought it had already been resolved and sorted out. Yet, I still see more and more posting being done. It's crazy.
I guess we should all just get along, rather than keep looking for reasons to start arguments and offend people, and whatever. Can't someone just close it, for now? - As P' Cinq pointed out, there's no point bothering about arguments with someone who lives millions of miles from you. It's just not worth the time.