Posts made by Ubiq
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RE: Non-Disney animation thread
The character design for Optimus looks like a weird attempt to render the Transformers: Animated version of him into a 3D style that just doesn't quite work for me.
Also I get the idea of why you would use those two for this sort of film, but, man, that sort of characterization feels weird for Megatron.
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RE: Channel Awesome, AVGN, and other web review shows
I'm conflicted here; the title makes me curious to see what the deal is, but, man, that thumbnail really makes me not want to find out.
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RE: Disney animation thread
Wish feels like a film that was made entirely by what executives thought a focus group of Disney fans would want but they just never bothered to show it to any of those fans to see if their ideas were accurate before finishing it.
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RE: Non-Disney animation thread
That was originally made as two separate half-hour specials that'd air as part of the opening ceremonies for the 1980 Olympics; the US wound up boycotting the Summer Games because of the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan so the summer portion never aired. So they made some linking segments and turned it into a film; not sure what all they added but I have to think the disco segment was one of them since it featured characters from both parts.
As a side animation footnote, the Soviets wound up counter-boycotting the 1984 Summer Games in Los Angeles, which worked out really badly for McDonalds since they had a promotion where you got a scratch-off card that revealed an Olympic event. Depending on how the US team finished in that event, you could win a Big Mac, fries, or a drink. The US teams wound up winning over twice as many medals as normal and almost as many gold medals alone as they had received total medals combined in previous years so McDonalds had to give out a huge number of free Big Macs. That's where the Krustyburger Olympic joke came from.
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RE: Non-Disney animation thread
Season Five is the last for Lower Decks as Paramount+ shifts ever closer to being a vestigial organ.
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RE: X-Men The Animated Series is being revived!
@Robby said in X-Men The Animated Series is being revived!:
The third episode was loosely (very loosely) based on Inferno, which took 10 issues in the original comic, (not counting all the tie ins which brought it up to about 40 issues crossing over with all the titles, including Spiderman and Daredevil.. )
Crossovers that ranged from going all in to "Well, I guess we're doing this now" to the comic just vaguely referencing it and moving on.
It's been a while but it feels like Thor was one of those titles that just sorta acknowledged it was going on off-screen but didn't really care that much. Which, if you'd think anybody would have been concerned with a demonic invasion of Earth, it'd be Thor. Well, him or Stephen Strange but I don't think there was even a Doctor Strange title at the time.
On the other end of the spectrum was, of all possible titles to do that with, Power Pack, which not only went all in on the Inferno crossover but even used it to deal with the only real recurring human antagonist the series had.
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RE: American Politics: A Brand New Day
Considering that the Arizona court ignored a far more recent ban in favor of the territorial statute, they're more than capable of just pretending that only the stuff they want to exist does.
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RE: My Hero Academia II - A true Hero
So was the mention of stripping out half of Shigaraki's Quirk foreshadowing for Eri rewinding it to the full version and he just "fixes" all of the bad stuff that happened?
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RE: Marvel Movies Thread - Holy Shitballs
@Shiebs said in Marvel Movies Thread - Holy Shitballs:
I hate Silver Surfer! When I first started getting into comic books I got a bunch of collections of old characters comics, and I was so excited to see Silver Surfer, he looks cool, his powers are cool and he can travel anywhere in space and time on a god damn surf board, that should make for infinite potential for cool stories
Instead he just whined and bitched the whole time about having been Galactus’s herald and the sins he committed
Personally I always liked the fact that such an inherently ridiculous character concept was the most melancholy and thoughtful Marvel comic.
That said, the revival decades after the original did give him a lot more to do since he was no longer exiled to our solar system and allowed him to interact with beings on his own scale like the Elders of the Universe.
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RE: UNDEAD UNLUCK
Considering the entire point of the game is to not use certain words, I'm surprised that they didn't throw Void at her.
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RE: Non-Disney animation thread
The Recobbled Cut project dates back to 2006 and Mark 4 was from 2013; I don't know if Williams ever went on record as to what he thought about it but Richard was alive through at least the fourth version since he passed away in 2019.
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RE: Non-Disney animation thread
That was originally going to be part of a series of specials but it's reception wasn't good enough for that to happen.
That probably played a role in the studio making Festival of Family Classics a few years later.
Which reminds me of their very first television special, which came out almost eleven months before Rudolph.
Return to Oz was a follow-up to the Tales of Oz series from a few years earlier, which was a series of five minute episodes. The film actually has more in common with the Oz show from the early '90s than it does the Disney film of the same name, which was basically just Ozma of Oz but without any of the early scenes of Dorothy and Ozma interacting.
Not hard to see why Rudolph eclipsed it on every possible level.
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RE: Non-Disney animation thread
@Robby said in Non-Disney animation thread:
They made this pitch, and execs looked at it and went "naaah, lets do something nowhere near as good." This three minute pitch is so much better than the entire final film the mind just boggles at what could have been.
I heard a story once where the producers hired Frank Thomas and Ollie Johnston to come in and teach the Japanese animators how to do "full" Disney quality theatrical animation.
So they had about a dozen people come out to LA; Frank and Ollie had them do some sketches just so they could see what level of talent they would be working with. They took one look at what Hayao Miyazaki drew for it and said "What can we teach these guys about art that they don't already know?"
And that's not even getting into the fact they edited and redubbed the main character after the fact so that there's two very different versions of the film.
Redubbing Omar to make him even more of a dick didn't even begin to address the problems with that character.
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RE: Non-Disney animation thread
@Nobodyman said in Non-Disney animation thread:
Geez. How did I miss the obscure cartoon movie bandwagon?
Umm...I dunno...I watched the Little Engine That Could cartoon (starring Kath Soucie!) when I was really little.
I think I remember seeing this pop up a lot on compilation tapes and DVDs.
@onemoment said in Non-Disney animation thread:
The only thing that I think counts is Last of the Curlews. CN played it once or twice in the 90s and I cried a lot cause was, I hope, like 9 or 10 at the time:
This came out the year before Jonathan Livingston Seagull, which was also an adaptation of a book about birds but was a theatrical release while Curlew was an ABC afterschool special. Curlew still basically had higher production values since Seagull was just live action shots of actual seagulls with voiceovers of book dialogue
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RE: Non-Disney animation thread
@Cyborg009 said in Non-Disney animation thread:
same here. i saw a trailer for it way back but never got to watch it until years. and you weren't kidding, that movie is insane. i recalled that there was to be a sequel but it got canned unfortunately.
The first segment of it is weird but in a rambling "kid making up a story as they go along" way but then it hits the Evilmania song and things just go completely off the rails.
@Satsuki said in Non-Disney animation thread:
For me I had a routine weekly visit to the local video rental store (NOT Blockbuster, btw), where I would always be looking through their collection of old "classic" animated stuff.
I don't really remember renting all that many animated films as a kid so much as watching them on television or tapes that somebody had made for me. My aunts and uncles were aware I liked cartoons and would sometimes just record a bunch of shows off of channels like USA and give them to me.
I mean shit, I borrowed the Rainbow Brite movie and He-Man and She-Ra so many times I'm surprised my parents didn't just buy them for me.
Starstealer is pretty much carried by the Dark Princess; they even brought her back for the show despite the fact that Rainbow Brite definitely killed her in the film.
The most impressive job of a villain carrying an '80s animated film pretty much has to be Mok though. Rock and Rule is just a fascinating misfire on almost every other level possible but they nailed their villain.
I'd love to see a Jodoworsky's Dune style documentary on Rock and Rule if only to see what the mindset was behind that film. Apparently a bunch of scenes were animated concurrently without a real script and they only tried to connect them after those scenes were finished being animated.
Nemo in Slumberland is another one that would benefit from that sort of documentary as well since it went through a ton of different versions with a bunch of people coming and going throughout; we could have had Isao Takahata directing a Ray Bradbury script but Gary Kurtz couldn't get along with Takahata.
@Shiebs said in Non-Disney animation thread:
I still have fond memories of Flint the time detective and Captain Simian and the space monkey’s
Even though there both apparently terrible
Flint was charming in a goofy sort of way; weird to think it's from Sanrio of all companies. Not sure why anybody would think Simian was terrible unless they're just writing it off because of the basic premise and not the show itself.
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RE: Non-Disney animation thread
@Robby said in Non-Disney animation thread:
Well I have apparently now trained youtube to show me obscure animated films from the 70'sAmong all the films Mel Brooks contributed to in some fashion, Shinbone Alley is certainly one of them.
And that happens to my recommended videos as well, which can sometimes lead to some things I haven't seen in years pop up. I remember when watching movies on Youtube meant watching them chopped up into ten minute blocks but now they're just on there as a complete films.
That was one that I first saw in pieces on Youtube though I was aware of it from much earlier on since remember seeing ads for it back in the day. Ads that in no way hinted at the insanity lying within that film.
@Satsuki said in Non-Disney animation thread:
Now I can finally watch all of Legend and not just the cool Tim Curry parts.
You could but why would you want to is my question.
Though, speaking of Tim Curry, even he isn't really enough to get me to sit through The Pebble and The Penguin. I think it took me several attempts to get through the opening number and I more or less forced myself to watch it just so I could check it off the list of Don Bluth films I'd seen.
@Cyborg009 said in Non-Disney animation thread:
here's a really old gem long buried in my mind from childhood.
i don't normally share things like this from my childhood out of fear of personal embarrassment. but seeing as we are discussing old movies, i figured what's the harm with a little show and tell.
I watched things like Turbo Teen and Kidd Video as a child so I certainly don't see why'd you be embarrassed by watching this.
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RE: Non-Disney animation thread
@Robby said in Non-Disney animation thread:
Oh wow, American Rabbit, We saw that in school once as a two-day filler when the teacher didn't want to do anything. That was a forgotten memory until just now.
It was one that I first saw on Youtube but even that was decades ago.
Which in turn triggers Tubby the Tuba. Which we watched in music class every year, and every year without fail I'd get sick or something and not see the last part.
Staring Dick Van Dyke? Huh.
Ed Catmull and Alvy Smith worked on this back in the day and absolutely hated it. I think the director wanted to use CGI for parts of the film, couldn't make it work, and just went traditional all the way, which Catmull was kinda thankful for since he thought it would have poisoned the well for the entire industry.
Which in turn triggers a memory of the time we were GOING to watch "A Christmas Story", and the teachers realized about five minutes in when the kid stuck his tongue to the pole and it was full of naughty words and then turned it off and switched it to something else.
The best instance of that I can remember as a kid was when one of the teachers brought in Nothing But Trouble apparently thinking it was like The Great Outdoors. We watched it up until the courtroom scene where Dan Ackroyd started waggling his finger at Chevy Chase and John Candy and it fell off.
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RE: Oh no, there goes Tokyo. It's a Godzilla thread!
A lot of the savings probably came from not running the film through fifty layers of darkness filters like Godzilla and Godzilla, King of the Monsters.
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RE: Non-Disney animation thread
@Time-Control-Magician said in Non-Disney animation thread
That’s unexpectedly specific.
Some people work with clay, others with paint, my medium is references to esoteric things.
@Satsuki said in Non-Disney animation thread:
Funny, I didn't think anyone else remembered The American Rabbit (which I think was a US/Japan co-creation).
It was; if I remember right, it was a Rainbow Brite/Strawberry Shortcake deal where a character made for greeting cards and posters wound up taking off in a big way. Quite a few people from Toei worked on it along with Fred Wolf, which isn't surprising since a bunch of the voice actors were also on TMNT. Speaking of voice actors, while looking at the imDb page for American Rabbit, man, that voice cast was loaded with a bunch of 1980s/early '90s all-stars. Barry Gordon, Lorenzo Music, Pat Fraley, Hal Smith, Russi Taylor, and Ken Mars with a few other names like Bob Holt and Bob Arbogast..
And I loved the Rankin-Bass Easter Bunny specials. They don't get enough love (are they even aired anymore?)
I think Here Comes Peter Cottontail is about the only one that gets regular play.
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RE: Oh no, there goes Tokyo. It's a Godzilla thread!
Looks like the film had a huge opening weekend at around $194 million so we can safely assume there will be more Monsterverse films. The budget was apparently $135 million so the box office is already at nearly 150% of that.
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RE: Non-Disney animation thread
@Cyborg009 said in Non-Disney animation thread:
@Ubiq shinbone alley: i read about once but it didn't appeal to me as much. though mehitabel seemed pretty.
It's just okay. A really odd thing to choose to adapt in the first place since the musical it was based on didn't run very long and the series that inspired the musical (which was at least partially known for being drawn by George Herriman) had ended over three decades before the film.
It'd be like if somebody made a musical about US Acres in the mid-2000s and then adapted it to film today.
The Dragon that Wasn't Or Was He? and Princess Featherhair: never seen/heard of them.
Featherhair is an Eastern European film whose untranslated title I can never remember. Hrufurur? Something along those lines. The Dragon was Dutch and based on some of the Martin Toonder comics.
The Magician's Hat: if you're referring to the sequel of Elm-Chanted Forest then yes i have seen that as well as the Elm Chanted Forest.
Yeah, it is. It's not as well known as Elm-Chanted Forest though.
of course by rare also means overlooked and sometimes obscure movies. such as Millionaire Dogs, The Fearless Four, Tom Sawyer, the Princess and the Goblin, most of Rankin and Bass works.
The Fearless Four is the Bremen Town Musician film while Tom Sawyer is the one with the anthro cast or was there one cut out of the anime?
I've seen The Princess and the Goblin but I remember it as much for the fact that ads for it ran on a bunch of video tapes from that era, far more than you'd expect considering how badly it flopped. A quick check says that it was distributed by Columbia so that's probably why that happened since they put out a lot of VHS tapes for a bunch of different studios.
Rankin-Bass is in a weird area where they have a bunch of stuff that's super well-known and annual fixtures but everything outside of that is pretty much forgotten, including the majority of their holiday specials. Shows like The Stingiest Man in Town, The First Easter Bunny, or Pinocchio's Christmas are pretty much completely overshadowed by the other specials to the point that I don't remember seeing them as a kid. Plus pretty much all of their feature films, outside of, arguably, The Last Unicorn, and a lot of their television shows never get talked about that much either.
Also the First Easter Bunny also reminded me of The American Rabbit for whatever reason, which feels like a film clumsily edited out of an entire season of a TV show, but, as far as I'm aware, was actually made as a standalone film.
the list is longer but i'm having trouble remembering them
The more I talk about films like this, the more they come up unbidden. I just remembered Cat City was a thing that exists along with The Wonderful Galaxy of Oz, which actually is a film slapped together out several episodes of a show.
@Robby said in Non-Disney animation thread:
Allegro non troppo is a weird one. It's about a man who wants to basically make Fantasia, animation set to classical music... and then discovers Disney already did it, so he makes his own much lower quality version but with naked people in it and a lot more surrealism. Produced by an old lady orchestra and an animator chained up against his will.
Not sure why this makes me think of Belladona of Sadness and Hugo the Hippo but, well, there we are.
I don't remember Ronin Warriors being in the lineup either, maybe it was a weekday thing in a weird timeslot. Wikipedia has a pretty extensive listing but includes a ton of other stuff that must have been from the 2007 run and they don't break them up so I have no idea where the line is beyond "I don't remember that at all."
They had a morning block of cartoons as well so I'm not sure if it was that or if there was a film made out of a few episodes that they aired.
The one that gives me pause is MD Geist apparently only being a revival thing since I would almost swear that was one that aired back in the original lineup back in the day. If nothing else, it seems odd that Central Park Media didn't push it down Sci-Fi Channel's throat.
There were other things that I first watched on Encore Action back when it had an anime block; like Fist of the North Star, New Dominion Tank Police, Gunsmith Cats, Black Magic M-66, and... something else. Patlabor maybe?
I think one of the other Encore channels aired things like Tekken and Grave of the Fireflies as well.
I'm kinda curious to revisit some of these things now. Its been so long I don't remember them beyond the title and maybe some very vague imagery.
I'm that way about Lensman; I keep meaning to watch it sometime since scenes of it stuck in my head for well over a decade before I found out what it was but I didn't care for the book when I tried to read it all those years ago.
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RE: Non-Disney animation thread
@Satsuki said in Non-Disney animation thread:
A-Ko was my GIRL. After worshipping Sailor Moon it was even more amazing to see a high school girl who could kick butt even harder.
Well, she is Superman and Wonder Woman's daughter after all.
@Cyborg009 said in Non-Disney animation thread:
@Time-Control-Magician i've had many that have lived rent free in my head. so much that if started charging, i'd be rich.
name a rare animated movie and i'll say i've seen it before.
I've seen so many odd things over the years that I'm not even sure what qualifies as rare these days. Stuff like Shinbone Alley, The Dragon that Wasn't Or Was He?, Princess Featherhair, The Magician's Hat, various non-meme versions of Treasure Island, and so on.
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RE: Non-Disney animation thread
@Robby said in Non-Disney animation thread:
Found a listing!
https://www.anime-planet.com/users/LordBison/lists/sci-fi-channel-90s-anime-saturday-anime-775018
Wow, could it really have been only 26 titles? I can't think of any that are missing so maybe that really was all. That would explain why it felt like they reran it so often. If they only added 4 a year that means they would have been looping only 13 films the first year or two, so they would have been in super regular rotation. No wonder Akira stopped feeling like an event if I was catching it 3-4 times a year.
I think part of it was that some of them were split up across two weeks so it felt like there were more films in the rotation; Tank Police, for instance, would have been three hours long with commercials in the mix so they just aired two episodes a week.
That said, it does feel like something is missing there and I don't remember Ronin Warriors being part of the Saturday lineup. If nothing else, it was brand new to me when I saw it on Toonami and that would have only been a year or two later. It might have been a morning show though or aired really early in the run.
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RE: Non-Disney animation thread
@Robby said in Non-Disney animation thread:
Chuck Jones was always good and there are merits to the thing, but its not favorite of mine. I liked his Kipling adaptations way more.
Now those are definitely rare and under-discussed; I don't know when the last time I've seen Rikki-Tikki-Tavi on anywhere was or even saw somebody bring it up. Even Cricket on the Hearth seems to get more mentions if only because of how forgotten it is compared to The Grinch.
Saturday Morning anime back before anime was a big thing by name in the US.
Tank Police still holds a major soft spot in my heart. Along with Green Legend Ran, the A-ko movies, Lodoss War, Venus Wars, Galaxy Express 999, the second Lum movie... and of course the big staple "these are adult cartoons that aren't like your American cartoons" Vampire Hunter D, Ninja Scroll, and Akira.
I'm sure there's a list somewhere of the things they aired that would open a floodgate of "I remember that!" that I haven't thought about in 25+ years..
I remember they had the Saturday block but also occasionally did week long premieres. Like one year was something like Roujin Z, Tenchi Muyo in Love, Armitage III (which was pretty heavily promoted back then for having Elizabeth Berkeley in the cast), and... I think it was something like Iria: Zeiram The Animation. Ran might have also been from that week.
Some of the other things I remember first seeing on there were Vampire Hunter D, Fatal Fury: The Motion Picture, Gall Force, LilyCAT, and Robot Carnival.
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RE: Non-Disney animation thread
Tollboth's... okayish at best; really just depends on how you feel about that era of Chuck Jones' work. Juster absolutely hated it though.
On, and Lake of Sharks was on Mr. Spim. Can't believe I still remember that from almost three decades ago but I also fondly remember watching things like Project A-Ko and Dominion: Tank Police on Sci-Fi Channel back then as well.
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RE: Non-Disney animation thread
That was the Mr. Spim/Cartoon Network's Cartoon Theatre era and those blocks had a really wide range of films from a bunch of different studios. Everything from old HB works like A Man Called Flintstone all the way to contemporary films like (sadly) Re-Animated and in a range of quality from Nausicaa (a tie-in with TCM I believe) and Who Framed Roger Rabbit all the way down to Millionaire Dogs and, again, Re-Animated. I think I even remember Tintin and the Lake of Sharks being on during the Mr. Spim era.
Twice Upon a Time was another one that aired back then, and, if we're talking about underrated cartoon classics, TUaT is way the hell up there on my list.
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RE: Non-Disney animation thread
@Time-Control-Magician said in Non-Disney animation thread:
Cats Don’t Dance is a classic?
It's the best film Turner Feature Animation ever made.
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RE: Monster 8
Might be that 9 is a collection of collectors; a ton of weak absorbing monsters that just recently got its act together.
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RE: American Politics: A Brand New Day
@Time-Control-Magician said in American Politics: A Brand New Day:
With only 11 democrats in the senate (who all voted in favor of the law). And only 40
And the house I couldn’t say.What I do know is that these people who shouldn’t have voted for the law either did so knowing full well was in this law or didn’t read the full text, or got punked.
Most of the thirty-ish no votes seem to have been from the Democratic members of the state House and, from what I understand, the anti-LGBT effects aren't from that particular bill but from language in a pre-existing one.
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RE: Oh no, there goes Tokyo. It's a Godzilla thread!
I'm going this evening.It's a fun popcorn film; more of a Kong film with special guest Godzilla, which isn't a bad thing since Kong actually has fairly nice character moments. Scar is a pretty neat villain, the film doesn't take itself too seriously, and Godzilla gets a comfy cat bed for his trouble.
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RE: Disney animation thread
The notion that Disney tried to erase him really does seem clickbaity; ]pretty much all of the Disney comics in the era when Barks was active gave credit to Walt because that was largely how things were done in comics at the time. I have several DC Showcases that just attribute certain stories to the staff because nobody putting the collections together was really certain who did what and a lot of other publishers in the '40s and '50s either just credited the editor or didn't have any credits at all besides on the cover art.
Sure, it was up to the fans to recognize Carl as The Good Duck Artist but, again, that was a flaw of the industry itself back then and not something intrinsic to Disney like the thumbnail suggests. "Erased" really implies something more along the lines of Archie Comics spitefully altering dialogue to remove DeCarlo's joking self-references while Barks was given the status of Disney Legend pretty early on and, I'm pretty sure, was the first Legend not mainly known for film or working in the parks, which is a lot more than a lot of artists got.
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RE: Disney animation thread
Amphibia is getting an artbook for those of you who like collecting such things.
https://www.amazon.com/Art-Amphibia-Matthew-Braly/dp/142787560X/
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RE: RIP Those We Lost in 2024
Man, this one stings in a way that a celebrity death hasn't in quite a while.
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RE: UNDEAD UNLUCK
Shame the Union doesn't have time travel as an option or they could throw Teddy Roosevelt at him.
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RE: Disney animation thread
They used a different cast for the show and are redubbing it for the theatrical release.
Not the first time they've done something like this; the VHS release of Buzz Lightyear of Star Command had Tim Allen while the same movie as individual episodes had Patrick Warburton.
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RE: Disney animation thread
Apparently Disney is just now talking to Dwayne Johnson and Auli’i Cravalho about reprising their roles.
I can understand recasting for a Disney+ show but you'd think bringing back the original cast would be something they'd hammer out first before announcing it as a theatrical release.
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RE: American Politics: A Brand New Day
@pariston_hill said in American Politics: A Brand New Day:
@Ubiq yeah ceasefire write in's didn't end up counting.
They didn't count because the DNC wanted more diverse states to go first and New Hampshire refused to move their primary so Biden wasn't on the ballot as a result.
Biden still won it in a route as a write-in candidate but just won't get delegates for it.
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RE: American Politics: A Brand New Day
@pariston_hill said in American Politics: A Brand New Day:
So far both parties had a write-in win a primary, if that don't show that the voter is fed up with years of gridding bad candidates I don't know what else.
Okay, so funny thing about that New Hampshire write-in candidate...
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RE: Non-Disney animation thread
I feel kinda bad for the voice actor since that's not a terrible voice for a Megamind style character but it coming out of actual Megamind just feels weird.
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RE: Oh no, there goes Tokyo. It's a Godzilla thread!
Having seen both versions, I actually liked Minus Color better and I already loved Minus One to begin with.
Oh, I guess I never reviewed it when it came out. So, here goes:
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RE: Marvel Movies Thread - Holy Shitballs
They should really go out on a limb and make a Superman film where he's actually Superman. Setting aside some of the animated films, the closest they've come in thirty-five years is the airplane scene from Returns.
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RE: Disney animation thread
A big part of acquiring Star Wars and Marvel in the first place was futureproofing themselves against their oldest material lapsing into the public domain.
That said, they still hold trademarks on Steamboat Willy and have plenty of precedent to point to when it comes to people zealously defending trademarks on public domain characters like Tarzan and Zorro.
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RE: My Hero Academia II - A true Hero
@pariston_hill said in My Hero Academia II - A true Hero:
Errrr I don't think he does that well with heroes too.
The only ones with a semblance of personality are Toshinori, Enji and Bakugo.
And there's the three twink boys he loves: Todoroki, Midoriya, Hawks.Those are pretty much the characters he spent the most time with which really suggests that some of the other heroes would have been better served by getting more focus.
The villains, though, got a ton of time devoted to them and it just never clicked for me.
The only part that I feel Hori was in his domain was the school stuff.
That was 100% the best part of the series. Well, Mineta aside.