Edit: I am beginning to be inappropriate (probably even guilty of what I'm annoyed with). I'll respond later.
Posts made by Ned_Gutters
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RE: Who is the final villain in One Piece? 2.0
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RE: Who is the final villain in One Piece? 2.0
Oh I've gotten the "Bashing" one, which one do you guys have?
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Working on it; I'll keep you posted. Wish us luck!
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RE: Who is the final villain in One Piece? 2.0
@Monkey:
Who the hell is Ned Gutters?
I'm not even doing that as a diss or whatever, who are you?? You're talking about people noticing you not posting, and I have literally never heard this username before.That part of my post doesn't matter whatsoever, but you've commented on some of my posts, most recently on May 3rd to my dumb prediction: Sanji is a lesbian (to which I did not take offense - as I am not to the above question - and which was my first post in some time). I don't think you've actually ever been uncool to me directly, but I have seen your relationship with Austro fester and get more and more abusive over time, as well as responding to most people you disagree with in outright hostile ways. I am guessing that my most recent post broke the following rules:
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But I've seen you do the same time and time again, and I just don't care for it anymore.
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RE: Who is the final villain in One Piece? 2.0
@Monkey:
Oh look, Semantics McCrazyPerson is back after like a month.
Go back to OroJackson and scream your madness into the void. But please, spare the void your fucking horrible semantics arguments. No one deserves that you point missing clown.Don't get me wrong, I kind of love the character idea of someone who whips out dictionaries and RationalWiki logic quotes, and is still insanely wrong about everything he says?
But in the context of fiction only please.You're my number one nomination for the next round of purges btw, congratulations.
Right or wrong, I will never understand how you always manage to be such a thorough bag of dicks/inflamed asshole.
Purge me away; if you haven't noticed, I don't post much anymore, and a big part of why is people like you who think that having a better argument than someone else makes them an idiot or an asshole, and gives you a right to be a shit person to them. I use the term "argument" loosely: your arguments are borderline non-existent, consisting primarily of authoritative bullshit, which you label caviar and force-feed to other members.
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RE: Dumb Predictions
I originally posted this in the wrong thread, and got some feedback, so I'm including the feedback and my response as well:
I'm sure the conclusion has been drawn before, but I have no idea if from this "evidence" (everything is based on some junk I recall reading a while back, so if I'm totally mistaken, ffffffff that's ok).
The side on which one's hair parts has purportedly been linked to the direction in which one's hair grows, in terms of clockwise and counterclockwise, and that direction supposedly correlates with gender (not sexuality). I don't remember which direction is which but, in general, one direction tends to be associated with male, and the other with female.
Sanji's hair part changed sides because he is now a closet Okama, or more generally just "female" (though, I then believe she is a lesbian). This probably won't play out explicitly, as Sanji's sexuality essentially remains the same - attracted to women - and gender typically isn't explicitly addressed regarding the crew; we get hints from personality and behavior, of course (i.e. Zoro is clearly male), so we might see some hints in Sanji's behavior, but I don't think there would ever be confirmation of this.
As the view is practically unfalsifiable, and I am happy to reject good, scientific methodology for the prospect of something stupid, I now fully endorse the preceding conclusion.
TL;DR: Sanji is a lesbian.
I had to reread to try to understand what you're saying. I'm still not sure if you're talking about 1) real life or 2) some sort of theory of identifying manga characters…
IF 1)=
Sorry this belongs to Dumb Predictions thread. IT makes it sound as if one can know one's gender based on where their hair parts or what direction their cowlick lays.
People can change their parts by conscious choice and never change their gender identity. I personally have done so, middle of head, left part and right part. I never changed my gender identity of female
In my family cowlicks are present but for both my male cousin and I, it is same direction.If 2= I never heard of that.
Sorry I did mean (1); I'll edit to the correct location once I have my computer handy.
The idea is: though you can change your part, if you don't, it is a function of a natural "swirl" your hair grows in. You can check this swirl by looking at the top of the back of your head in mirrors. This swirl is what has purportedly been correlated to gender; part just follows it if you don't intervene.
This dumb prediction assumes gender can change with conditioning (doesn't seem likely - see Rainer Maria Wilker for one famous example, though I'm sure there are studies) OR it just takes Sanji's part as an indicator from the medium of this "change" in Sanji's gender.
Obviously this is a dumb prediction. I just placed it in the wrong thread :p
Edit: Counterargument, he grew facial hair, thus identifies as male.
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@Monkey:
What the fuck is this post lollllll
Agreed.
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RE: Chapter 824: Little Pirate Games
This was a great chapter. I missed the adventure aspect of One Piece, just travelling the oceans. The starvation chapter brings me back to the days of Zoro + Luffy, when they were starving and Luffy got stuck in a bird's mouth. No matter how strong you are, you need to eat!
It may have already been said, but obvious prediction:
(I am assuming the person saying we've been playing little pirate games was either Kidd, or Kaido was mocking Kidd, as Kidd looks pretty dejected.)
Kaido has broken Kidd's will. When Luffy shows up, and (a) beats Kaido or (b) Kidd realizes Luffy stands a chance, this will restore Kidd's will. If (b), then Kidd will come in for the assist. Afterwards, Kidd won't officially ally with Luffy, but will become "friendly" (scare quotes: Kidd won't get in Luffy's way, and will help when it is convenient or maybe even mildly inconvenient, but will maintain his general dickish attitude). After all is said and done, Kidd will say something like "I owe you; I'll pay you back by beating you to One Piece." Luffy will give a "Shishishishi," and they'll depart.
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RE: General Blackbeard Thread
Should have quoted me, I only noticed this now. I merely noted that such a distinction exists, and that MK's post mixes the two terms.
Anyway, I suggest we stop with the Rebecca talk, the thread has become really derailed lolAh, I guess I missed the point :P My bad!
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RE: General Blackbeard Thread
The entire reason it is a nature vs nurture "debate" is because it isn't settled. So, if you're appealing to it as a kind of expert opinion - not merely your belief - this is misguided; it is your judgement as to whether it is nature or nurture (upon which psychology might explain how that is meant to work), but there is no settled matter about whether it is or isn't nature or nurture.
In any case, that distinction is silly - experts can be wrong. I take qualm with the distinction, it's implied completeness, and the exclusivity captured by "vs." these are consequences of psychology trying - especially through the middle of the 20th century - to emulate the "hard sciences" by incorporating notions of causal closure, completeness, reduction, and final causes into a domain where they really just don't make sense. Many of these notions have been disavowed, and the distinction is becoming undone (for example by, I believe, gestalt psychology, transcendental psychology, philosophical psychology, and making its way through mainstream late 20th and contemporary 21st century psychology - but I could be mistaken).
Everyone is a function of both nature and nurture, and a whole bunch of other things too. The question is really oke of explanation primarily, and only causality insofar as it serves explanation. Anyone can be somewhat (but often very incompletely) understood in terms of nature or in terms of nurture, or in other terms entirely. The question is, given an individual and a specific conversation, what is the relevant (not only true) way of understanding that individual.
Saying "nature vs. nurture" and leaving it there puts an end to the process of explanation and understanding, which is the entire purpose of this conversation.
Lastly: I'm not really crapping on you, but on (admittedly) experts who think nature vs nurture is a meaningful or important debate to have that the truth somehow depends on. This is a long time gripe of mine.
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RE: Chapter 819: Momonosuke, Heir of the Kouzuki Clan
For all the readers that have forgotten,when Wanda was describing what an absolute lunatic and ruthless guy Jack is,and how much he has ravaged this country,Oda has purposely shown Luffy and only Luffy to be hearing extra carefully her sorrowful memories.
That means that Luffy has taken a personal interest in this Jack guy,even before he was shown to us and the protagonist.
Take also into account that Luffy has fought every bigger threat in every stop from the start of the series,and you can probably guess who will fight Jack.
I'm not taking a position, but if this is relevant, so is this:
Luffy says "I can't believe a beast like Jack is just Kaido's lapdog" and it shows Zoro.
I've also seen the arguement that Luffy only let's Zoro take on the number 2. If that's relevant, it's also relevant that Jack has been established as "Kaido's lapdog."
Again, taking no position here, just critiquing argument. I'd LIKE if Zoro took on Jack, but I'm can't pretend I have any idea what's gonna happen now.
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RE: Everyone is getting a second flash back?
I agree that we may hear a bit about Franky, will definitely get a flashbook for Jinbe, and learn about Sanji and Brook (pretty much immediately), will get something on Crocodile and likely Moriah (maaaaybe Enel), and I think we'll probably get the stories of the supernovas.
Regarding Zoro, I don't think there is more past to tell, but I like the general idea of this theory, even if it is almost entirely speculation:
I have a hard time imagining that Zoro will find time to leave the crew at this point in the story, but who knows - we may be looking at another split up sooner than we think.
Regarding Chopper, I am a fan of the theory that Luffy will get ill like Gol D. Roger did, and we will see Chopper shine as being able to cure him.
Other than that, I think we're pretty much done exploring Straw Hats outside the context of ordinary arcs (Robin will keep finding Poneglyphs, Usopp and co. will eventually end up at Elbaf, etc). It just seems that Oda is picking up the pace now, and most SHs have adequately fleshed out pasts and no obvious reason for some crazy individual arc. But hey. Iunno.
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RE: Chapter 816: "Dog Vs. Cat"
Really I just regret getting involved in the Momo discussion and personally want to talk about something else (though of course, you may all do what you want). So, here's some stuff.
I still want to see Yasopp's reaction to seeing Usopp's new bounty.
http://t07.deviantart.net/7i9u9_LjOLmicRr91VF22FF_Na0=/300x200/filters:fixed_height(100,100):origin()/pre05/9128/th/pre/i/2015/275/9/e/yasopps_reaction_by_pinwheeleatery-d9bq6tz.jpg
I'd love to see a scene like this, Yasopp totally surprised by the bounty (new title or ammt) and Shanks laughingfor laughs=
[hide]http://img07.deviantart.net/9855/i/2015/107/6/4/somewhere_in_the_new_world_____by_necr0w-d7hxzd0.jpg [/hide]That is ridiculous Thank you for that!
Wait wait wait.. who said Yassop doesn't know? we've seen him 2-3 times during the main storyline, briefly, and almost no lines, if any.
My only point is we have no idea if he knows or not, and can't assume he does based on Big Mom's intelligence network - maybe Shanks has similar information gathering capabilities and maybe he doesn't. Maybe Yasopp recognized him on a poster, and maybe not. We just don't know, is my point, and using one Yonko's capabilities to measure another's doesn't make sense.
well,while we actually don't know much about shanks' crew..they don't seem the kind of pirate to have an huge organization under them like kaidou and big mom seems to have..if anything they seem like the mugiwaras of the yonkous..a very little crew ,but most of them noteworthy
I agree. Ultimately we don't know, but that seems to be the implication: Luffy and Shanks are similar in many respects, just like Luffy is similar to Gol D. Roger. I think Shanks and his crew are tightly nit and, not factoring in the Yonko themselves, that Shanks' crew is probably the most capable/powerful of any of the Yonko crews just because of that tight-nit setup, like the strawhats.
Then again, the Strawhats do technically have an armada, so who knows what Shanks deal is, even if we assume similarity to the Strawhats in certain respects.
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RE: Chapter 816: "Dog Vs. Cat"
It's occurred to me that, with what we learned about the intel power the Yonko have the past couple chapters, Shanks and his crew could have figured out Sogeking's true identity a long time ago if they really wanted to know ASAP. Or they might have known Usopp was a part of Luffy's crew shortly after Mihawk told them about Luffy's first bounty and then did some digging into who his crew was at that point. Yasopp could have known all this time that his son was a part of Luffy's crew, not just recently with the new bounties.
Just because Big Mom - apparently a mafia themed yonko - had access to information, doesn't mean all other Yonko do. Everyone says of what they have "This…. THIS is power!!!" My point is just we have no idea what Shanks' information network looks like. Maybe he has information like Big Mom, and maybe he doesn't.
But I agree nonetheless. Mostly seeing as Shanks saw Luffy's first bounty, and Usopp was in the background. Of course it was just the back of his head, and Yasopp left when he was small, but it seems like Usopp has dressed that way since he was pretty young, and his hair is fairly distinctive. After that, looking into it seems reasonable. I prefer the "lucked into it" kind of knowledge for Shanks, over organized crime lord knowledge of Big Mom.
(The anime played with this, having Yasopp say "That's my son right there!" when looking at the poster. I know that's not at all canon, but it's worth mentioning just to show that it may not be too crazy of an idea.)
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RE: Chapter 816: "Dog Vs. Cat"
That's not love. That's self-centered perversion.
That's the joke. He's acting in a very socially unacceptable manner and the absurdity of it is intended to be humorous. However in a real world scenario what's he doing could be seen as an early warning of mental instability.
It's not about instability. He gets positive reinforcement: it works. If it doesn't happen in real life that is only because it doesn't pay dividends. If it it seen as instability, that's only because someone sees it that way.
(Also: equivocation on "love." It was clearly not intended as romantic love. If I say I love caesar salad, the objection isn't "That's not romantic love, it's self-centered tastiness!" Saying Momo loves the female form does not mean he romantically loves it, it just means - well, I guess - that he really enjoys shoving his head in boobs. Something many a well-adjusted person of any age would do if it worked out for them as well as it has for Momo.)
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RE: Chapter 813: An Invitation to the Tea Party
@Chopper:
anyone else think they will find a way to guide Zou to go where they want? Luffy can hear the voices of the seakings….maybe elephants too?
then he befriends the island and tells him to go to the tea party. its outlandish but would quickly get the SH to the tea party while dealing with whatever plot is left on Zou
Plus, if this becomes a "rescue sanji" sort of thing, it will be roughly analogous to water 7/enies lobby, in which case taking something other than their ship (Zou/Puffing Tom) to the Tea Party makes sense.
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RE: Chapter 813: An Invitation to the Tea Party
If seastone nullifies that, then he isn't gas anymore, not even passively. Seastone has truly rendered Caeser just a man.
@Mr0:
Okay so there seems to be some misunderstanding here, seastone acts differently than being submerged in water, and Logias are different to Paramecia fruits.
If they are indeed seastone cuffs, then if Sanji shot CC, it would hit his real body, because they stop logias using there abilities. We can look to the war to see this, what was the point of puting Ace in seastone cuffs if then shooting him wouldn't work ?
Crocodile seems to have mastered his DF, meaning that he doesn't have to think to transform, but we have no idea if that is the case for Ceasar.
So, that coupled with Sanji being able to use Haki, makes it a real threat.
Sorry if this is a bit of a mess, writing it from my phone!
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Haki can be in flying bullets, refer to Ben Beckmann vs Kizaru (logia user) Sanji can, maybe to a lesser extent, but I refuse to believe he's weaker than Kinemon who can use it as shown in dressrosa.
Luffy has confirmed that Sanji can use Haki.
Kuja warriors can imbue haki into projectiles.
Thanks everybody! I think this all makes sense now. Let me see if I got it:
First of all, seastone definitely cancels the logia even passively being their element. If it didn't, then good luck cutting fire's head off (Ace).
Seastone nullifies the ability to actively use one's powers, but not necessarily what the user is (see Luffy)
Therefore logias aren't, by default, their elements - they do in fact have to transform into their elements, even if this transformation can be lightning fast (Enel pun, but also his CoO allowed for this) or can become automatic through mastery (Crocodile).Luffy, on the other hand, just is rubber. No action, reflex, or mastery necessary.
I think I took a lot of my information about Logia's from Enel, who said - I believe - "I AM lightning." Then again, he also had a literal God complex, so maybe taking his word for what he is is a flawed methodology :ninja:
Theoretically, then, if you hit a novice logia without using CoA and without him expecting it, you could actually make contact (though Enel would avoid with CoO, Crocodile through his mastery and thus automatic transformation, etc.).
Also: I can't believe I completely forgot about the kuja warriors and their arrows….
But doesn't seastone only affect the user's ability to actively control their powers? On the other hand, your point combined with Mr0's becomes quite powerful, I think. Let me see if I understand correctly:
Luffy is rubber. Plain and simple. Logias, on the other hand, have to transform
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RE: Chapter 813: An Invitation to the Tea Party
Sanji can use haki.
Maybe - is there confirmation of this? I assume he can, though.
But even if he can, I don't believe there is any precedent for haki-ifying bullets in a gun. I feel like there MIGHT be precedent for something remaining haki-ified when it is no longer touching your body, but I can't think of what that might have been…
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RE: Chapter 813: An Invitation to the Tea Party
I think I'm missing something. CC is a logia. He is in seastone chains, presumably, which restrict him from using his powers, but do not nullify them (e.g. Luffy at Arlong Park: underwater, but still rubber). Capone bluffed about seastone bullets - he doesn't have any.
So how exactly is putting a gun to CC's head any kind of threat at all? He may not be able to use his powers willingly, but it is my understand that - as a logia - he IS gas.
(Is there any precedent for logias needing to transform, as opposed to simply being their element? It was always my assumption that they are passively their element - it is part of their being - and that is true independent of any attack made on them.)
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RE: Chapter 811 : Roko
@Galaxy:
The "you're just a big fanboy" argument is probably one of the worst arguments possible if you want to actually be taken seriously.
That's a very big if.
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RE: Chapter 811 : Roko
The question is if the 3 min limit is something inherent with Zoan awakening or is it just cause chopper is cheating with the rumble ball.
Are you referring to monster point? I don't think that's Chopper's awakened form. I think his normal, walking around form is his awakened form. Thus why it's awakened: His normal form isn't a reindeer, it's something human like, just like the demon guard's normal forms aren't humans - they're animal like.
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RE: Chapter 811 : Roko
Considering how the mino-guards in Impel Down look like, I'd say that Chopper's awakened form would just be his monster point.
I've belabored this enough, so I don't wanna go too off topic here, but my take on it is this:
It seems like awakened zoans have a default state that resembles their zoan animal rather than their original animal. Most zoans - non-awakened ones - just look like "Some guy," and then can become an animal, hybrid, etc., but the Impel Down demon guards more closely resemble their zoan animals.Chopper's original animal is a reindeer, and his zoan animal is a human. His default mode resembles a little boy, and he lives his life like a human - not like a reindeer. So, in short, my position is this:
Correlation between default mode and awakened status:
Original Animal::Non-Awakened
Zoan Animal:: AwakenedFrom the little we've seen, defaulting to your pre-zoan animal is correlated with not being awakened, and defaulting to something closely resembling your zoan animal is correlated with being awakened. Chopper's default form resembles his zoan animal - which happens to be human - and so I believe he is awakened.
The trick is that he is basically a reverse zoan. Most zoans are humans who, when awakened, resemble their fruit animal. Chopper also resembles his fruit animal, it just happens to be a human. If he was not awakened, his default form would likely more closely resemble a reindeer; just like non-awakened humans who ate zoans are normally humans, a non-awakened reindeer who ate a zoan would normally be a reindeer.
By the way: This would mean that Sengoku, who ate the Buddha model of the human human fruit but defaults to an ordinary human, is not awakened.
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RE: Chapter 811 : Roko
I would say Chopper managed to awaken his fruit a long time ago.
16 chars of Absolutely.
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RE: Chapter 810: The Curly Hat Pirates Arrive
Most likely it'll be as you say. To me it's a bit repetitive Luffy is always the saviour/(the nitzscheanian superhuman). Wouldn't it be nicer if Neko and Inuarashi rivalry somehow gets solved and they both manage to beat Jack? Or if Neko's malice manage to be accomplished through Zoro's will to become the greatest swordsman?
Even so, repetitions are nice to read in One Piece. Right now I'm looking forward to see how the old friends will manage to get their friendship back.
Also I wait for this arc to somehow trigger major troubles upon the strawhats.
I agree completely. I think* it will end as I suggested, but I would much prefer if Neko, Inuarashi, or even Zoro took down Jack. Or heck, even if Sanji did it.
*A post on page 10 was somewhat convincing. It drew a comparison between Luffy/Zoro and Kaido/Jack, and gave evidence of textual allusions that we may end up with Zoro vs. Jack.
And when Luffy talks about how it's crazy how Kaido has a monster like Jack as his errand boy and it cuts to Zoro directly in the next panel, it alludes to the similarities between Jack and Zoro as their both monsters that follow somebody else and it foreshadows the eventual fight between Jack and Zoro.
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RE: Chapter 810: The Curly Hat Pirates Arrive
@Helter:
Nekomamushi and Inuarashi will definitely have their revenge with Jack. Neko's speech was not for nothing. Maybe Jack (assuming he's still alive) will return to Zou and the two of them will decide to fight together rather than taking turns.
I'm more so assuming this will be another instance of inherited will. He says his malice will follow him until it curses him to his death; his malice - what he went through - will be a motivating factor in kicking the crap out of him if Luffy gets the chance. Through Luffy, Neko's malice will cause Jack's downfall.
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RE: Chapter 810: The Curly Hat Pirates Arrive
@Lao:
"I just want to crucifix and chill"
For fucks sake, MangastreamRemember back in the old days when people would rail on mangapanda but praise mangastream for being, at least comparably, well-done?
But then, after MP disappeared, MS's quality became shit over a period of time - I can hardly remember the last time Mangastream was any better than MP used to be - the good old days when they were co-released and we could really see the difference.
Oh yeah, it was mid/late November.
Relatedly, I think "crucify and chill" is fucking hilarious, but I do wonder if and how far it diverges from a literal translation.
Manga_Shit_Stream strikes again.
Their track record really is the worst. These two chapters we've had without MP REALLY went down hill. Or, maybe, we just don't have the comparison to something worth hating, and - after all - haters gon' hate.
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RE: Next Strawhat Crewmate (Vol. 6)
Sanji has been hyped as next SH for a while now: first Vergo, then Doflamingo, now the mink tribe… Don't even get me started on pre-time skip! Who knows if he'll be able to hang with Zoro and Luffy, but he'll definitely outclass the weakling trio. It's also a good pick story wise: Oda has left us pretty much in the dark as to his backstory, and it might be something really interesting!
Sanji for next SH, no doubts about it.
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RE: Chapter 809: Master Nekomamushi
If anything so far, It shows how crucial Ceasar and Doflamingo were to Kaido.
Arguably, this could mean it was well written.
Or not.
Iunno.
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RE: You and the very last chapter of the manga "One Piece"
lets make a thread about :
you and the news about oda's death…You sadist.
(As a masochist, I'll see you there.)
(Also, your signature is epic.)
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RE: You and the very last chapter of the manga "One Piece"
Stories that don't have an end are the worst kind, moreso when the autor dies before he can finish it.
Oda dying before One Piece is finished is my #2 biggest fear.
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RE: Chapter 808 - Duke Inuarashi
@Daz:
I'm getting a lot of Sai suggestions, but his gimmick was more that he had overblown reactions to things, not that he did every single thing exaggeratedly (and his quirk was very sparely used).
In OP, I'm getting a bit more of a Kumadori vibe, in that everything Sicilian does is over-the top.
Maybe the character I thought of was Seibus Coach from Eyeshield 21 (DRINK WATER AGRESSIVELY!), but I know theres a better fit out there
Tom, Franky's "dad," had the "a man should do everything with a don!" Quirk. He thought you should always do everything completely, with dedication and pride. Was it Tom?
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RE: Chapter 806: At the Fortress of Left Stomach
It could be construed as "bodies" if you ignore half the word.
The word Oda uses is 死体, which literally refers to dead bodies/cadavers/corpses. There's no ifs, ands, or buts about it.
The one odd thing about it is Oda uses interpuncts to divide the kanji. I'm not quite clear on what kind of role they're playing here (maybe emphasis?) but that would be the one thing I would say is suspicious. Otherwise, Oda's not using some round-about way to refer to dead bodies.
Thank you very much! I wonder what the interpuncts are used for, but I doubt it's to do something like I suggested.
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RE: Chapter 806: At the Fortress of Left Stomach
The version I read did not have Wanda referencing "corpses." I believe I read mangastream, and the word used was "bodies."
Corpses are bodies, but not all bodies are corpses. For example: I have a body. I do not have a corpse. Or, in part, I AM a body; I am not at all a corpse.
I think death was implied, but I think it is fairly clear it is a misdirection. The question is whether, since no-one here is accepting that Sanji is ACTUALLY dead anyway, we should continue to translate what Wanda said as "corpses" rather than the ambiguous "bodies."
If it's just bodies, that leaves death open, but also doesn't (1) commit us to contradiction (He's a corpse JK HE'S FINE LOLZ) or (2) require us to explain away how Wanda could make that kind of mistake.
Would any translator be able to comment? Could what she said be construed as the more general "bodies" rather than "corpses"?
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RE: Chapter 805: The Mink Tribe
She can't be making stuff up when she pretty much had a private talk with a Carrot about it.
The only way this would make any sense is if she is mistaken or was tricked.
You're probably right. There is a third possibility though: She is lying consistently (this is a pretty good strategy when it comes to lying).
Really I just don't want the swirlyhats to have been beat down after being gone so long. I'd like them to be more or less functional when we find them again, and to have been up to some cool stuff.
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RE: Chapter 805: The Mink Tribe
Honestly, my main desire is for it to be the arc for the Swirlyhats. The Dressrosa arc had Luffy and that half of the crew shine. Now it's time for Sanji, Nami, Chopper and Brook to shine. It's overdue with how long they haven't had a chance. Look back at all of part 2 of One Piece and I'd say none of them truly had thier moment. I want them to at least let them be able to shine as much as the others did in Dressrosa. At least that much.
(Side note: and that CAN be Obtained without being as long as Dressrosa was.)
I wholeheartedly agree. I think, for me, what would be ideal is this: We see the swirlyhats shine due to a somewhat extensive flashback about what they've been doing on the island. Then, in the present, the crew is altogether again and takes care of business.
I think we'll at least get the former; if they really are banged up/near death, then we might not be able to have them be too relevant now, but I really hope that isn't the case. Personally, I get a conis/hostage vibe from Wanda; I think she is making it up that they're dead for some reason.
And though I do not like the "the crew has been transformed into/absorbed by minks" idea, the line about the guardians not showing Luffy any mercy was kind of weird…
"Even if he is their captain, they won't show him any mercy."
Possibility one is that "their" and "they" refer to the swirlyhats and the guardians, respectively. Possibility two is that they have the same referent... swirlyhat-guardians....
In Soviet Russia, minks wear you.
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RE: Chapter 805: The Mink Tribe
Well climate change + over hunting is the prevailing hypothesis at the moment…So lack of adaptive capacity/natural selection played a part.
This is almost certainly what will kill us.
If we are talking in terms of extinction, and biology, creatures are only "good" or successful relative to their environment. If the environment changes too much, there is mothing any animal - no matter how "adaptive" - can do, or be blamed for not doing.
At least climate change wasn't the fault of Mammoth's; we're gonna go extinct due to our own mistakes. How much worse does that make us?
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RE: Favorite Old Wrong Theories
Probably already mentioned but I remembered it now that we're at Zou, thinking about minkmen and whatnot:
Bepo is Corazon, who Law unwittingly switched into a polar bear.
Oh man was that one gold.
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RE: Chapter 804: An Adventure on the Back of an Elephant
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Thank you for the objective analysis, dear Ned. I have provided an argument for why I believe it is the latter of the two plausible interpretations.
Are you referring to the argument about Kanjuro responding to Luffy and the Monkey's vocalization? The tricky bit is that, if it is onomatopoeia, then their vocalizations would sound the way he runs. So, in both cases - (1) and (2) - it would make sense to respond to the sound the monkey and Luffy are making with "Raizou makes that sound when he runs."
Replacing "tetetete" with some other onomatopoeia might demonstrate what I mean. Let's say the monkey (and thus Luffy) said "THUMP THUMP THUMP THUMP!" If Kanjuro then said "Raizou makes that sound when he runs!" it wouldn't be clear if he was referring to the sound his feet make when running or to a vocal utterance.
In any case, I do agree with you nevertheless. Someone did provide evidence that "tetetete" is a sound associated with ninjas running elsewhere, but I think that alone makes it more likely for Oda to use the trope to mislead us; it's very "One Piece" (whatever that means) for a character to have a characteristic verbal utterance, and - I think - for a sound normally associated with a ninja's feet while running to end up being verbally uttered by a ninja while he runs. One reason for this is counter-productivity of this utterance: Ninjas are supposed to be quiet, and I could very easily see a One Piece ninja ruining that by verbally uttering silly sounds.
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RE: Chapter 804: An Adventure on the Back of an Elephant
On page 10, who is saying "such a careless bunch…"?
The comment seems to be spoken by related to the claim "They're pretty undermanned for a place that's supposed to be the entryway to an entire country," i.e., they are careless in not guarding their border at all. The questions are: (1) Is "what a carefree lot/such a careless bunch spoken by the same person who mentions the entryway, or is it a response to that person? (2) Who made the entryway claim?
I think the answer to (2) is Franky. He is taking in the situation. He also makes the comment about gunpowder; this is him making assessments.
Now, if (1) is said by the same person, it's Franky. But, the separation between bubbles makes it seem like it might not be the same person (or, maybe, one is speech and the other a thought, thus the emote in the bubble?). If it isn't Franky, then I would guess Usopp, since everyone else is preoccupied. But, then again, Usopp still seems to be engaged with Law and Zoro regarding the dragon business, as demonstrated by the little angry thought/speech bubble/poof near him.So I'm guessing it's Franky.
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RE: Chapter 804: An Adventure on the Back of an Elephant
How did you arrive at the conclusion that the 'tetetete' is an onomatopoeia for ninja-esque running? Does it have any identical precedent in the manga field? If so, please tell us where. Thank you.
One way would be a certain interpretation of Kanjuro: "Raizou the ninja goes "Tetetete" when he runs around."
The two most plausible interpretations I see here are:
(1) This is the sound it makes when he runs, and thus "tetetete" is onomatopoeia.
(2) He verbally utters "tetetete" when he runs.If it is not one of these two, then I don't know what else that line could mean (maybe a personal failing).
If this were any other manga, I would say that (1) is the most plausible interpretation, but this is one piece; it's entirely possible that this line is meant to be ambiguous, with (1) being plausible or even obvious, but when we meet Raizou we will find out that he actually utters "tetetete" when he runs.
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RE: Chapter 804: An Adventure on the Back of an Elephant
@Medical:
(I think I'm going to do these for every chapter from now on)
Insofar as it's convenient and fun for you, I personally would enjoy that.
Good post!
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RE: Chapter 804: An Adventure on the Back of an Elephant
I’m not a guy who like to put haki everywhere but here it seems obvious to me : Two guys with haki notice something 2 guys’without haki don’t.
DnD has not really a realistic behaviour so I’m not sure it’is’wise to use it as comparison hereYou may be right about DnD, but think about it in these terms: No matter how good your vision, you don't see something you aren't looking at. Similarly, no matter how good your hearing, sometimes you are paying attention to other things. That is just how consciousness works: though we have a field of experience, our attention and what is significant exist in a kind of dynamic play; what I tend to is thematic whereas the rest of my experience is "background," and if some sound or sight in my experiential field is significant, I will shift my attention to it. However, we can simply miss things, even if we are normally very perceptive (like Usopp - who does have CoO, but has far from mastered it).
Further, there are environmental factors. Zoro and Law, if I recall, were in front of the party. Typically, when traveling in a party, people out back will pay attention to different regions of the environment than people in front. There's also tree coverage and other obstacles in the environment, which could quite literally affect how the sound hit each person (or didn't).
Lastly there is reaction time considerations: Normally, sound moves fast enough that, even if some sound wave hits me first and you, three feet back from me, second, we will react to it more or less simultaneously; the speed at which sound travels makes it sensibly indistinguishable over short distances, such that two persons affected at slightly different times will hear the sound at "the same time." But, in One Piece, where people can break the sound barrier (Geppou does something like this - there are sonic booms upon use (Borsalino even moves at the speed of light, I would think)), it is not unreasonable to think that people's perceptions are adapted to these bodily capacities. In other words: If a sound just physically hit Zoro first, for example, it is not unreasonable to think he could respond before it traveled another few feet to Usopp.
This all sounds kind of complex, but a lot of it is either my beliefs on how ordinary, every day experience works, or what I take to be somewhat obvious implications of the One Piece World for sense perception.
Granted, to keep up with especially fast opponents, people tend to rely on CoO (this is speculation). In that way, it is entirely possible that this is haki related, but I don't think it has to be or even that haki is the best explanation, rather than "Zoro and Law, out in front, happened to hear it and react while Usopp didn't." No matter how perceptive someone is, they sometimes will miss something or other. That's all the DnD example was getting at.
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RE: Chapter 804: An Adventure on the Back of an Elephant
The Mink tribe will become the Ewoks of One Piece.
Whatever the connotation, you're probably right.
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RE: Chapter 804: An Adventure on the Back of an Elephant
I’m not sure we are speaking about the sa me thing. In this page, Law and Zoro notice Carrot attacking them thanks to their haki while Usopp cannot
Yeah, I'm not sure either. I'm genuinely confused :P
Although, we don't know they could hear them only due to haki. It's easy to attribute everything to haki, but it is also possible that Zoro and Law just happened to hear something that Usopp didn't. I drew an analogy to DnD earlier: sometimes the guy with a +15 listen check rolls a 1 (so, total 16), and doesn't hear something that the guy with a +0 listen check who rolled a 17 hears.
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RE: Chapter 804: An Adventure on the Back of an Elephant
alright… thanks for the answer! but this is what I mean
[qimg]http://i.imgur.com/7euv4Cy.jpg[/qimg]
how is that thing inside the red circle not the lower part of a kimono? the swords I get that it's dubious but I do not understand that thing inside the circle. it's between the two sides of the monkey's body, is it not? how could he be wearing it? Also I forgot to point to them but there are smudges around the monkey which could be blood
can you see what Im saying? I mean, I could just be seeing things but I'd like to know if I'm crazy or not lmao
I like the idea you're getting at generally, but in particular I think the object circled is a top hat. Not 100% though.
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RE: Chapter 804: An Adventure on the Back of an Elephant
This chapter make it clear. Only Zoro and Law noticed the minkmen
As for the Nami debate, the transformation makes no sense. Nami using a sword, not remembering anything, speaking differently according to Aohige and becomming the boss of minkmen who hates human. That’s a bit to much when the solution of clothes syolen or given is simple (Razzor Lockham law)
The implication of CoO was seeing through a disguise or at a distance. Neither is applicable to overt minkmen yelling at close range. Trying to strawman me into thinking CoO is necessary for regular old sight is more than a bit unfair.