Alrighty, that crosses out the "Pekoms saved Pedro" theory.
Also, if I were to guess, Pekoms is very likely to reform the Nox pirates and lead them under Luffy at this point. He can't do that if Pedro is still alive.
Alrighty, that crosses out the "Pekoms saved Pedro" theory.
Also, if I were to guess, Pekoms is very likely to reform the Nox pirates and lead them under Luffy at this point. He can't do that if Pedro is still alive.
So has anyone figured out which food Lola's name was based on yet?
=D
It was based on Oda not having decided on a naming scheme for the BM pirates way back in Thriller Bark.
If Oda can make kicking work as a fighting style, then he can make teeth + electricity + strange clawed glove weapon + transformation work too.
@Kaido:
So I guess birthday SBS information has been moved online: https://one-piece.com/special/sbs/detail/3.html/
And thank god(a) for that. The birthdays always took up so much of the SBS.
@K.:
If Pedro was still with them, he would have been shown at the same level.
But he isn't, and so he wasn't. Why would Oda have Pedro remove himself from the story in a way that also gives Carrot a reason to fellow the Strawhats? I wonder…
Another reason why the random bullying in totland is random, wouldn't panda girl be also bullied for her mouth? Or did totland actually improve in that aspect?
Boire is the 19th daughter. So she's much older than Pudding(35th). The bullying doesn't seem to have gone down.
Oda says Katakuri was not born with his perikan-eel-ish mouth by nature.
That sounds like a pretty important bit of information. How does one end up like that? At a relatively young age no less.
Even worse, in the anime they keep getting lighter and lighter skintones
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The anime made them darker in the first place. The later change was to bring them closer to Oda's actual colouring.
I chalk it up to Oda not wanting to give away the identity of the mysterious long-haired bunny character in the background. The absence of Carrot would have been a big tell.
Even though the dedicated fans already know, a more casual reader might second-guess themselves and think it's a new character.
That's one hell of a rationalization.
Also, wouldn't more casual readers assume sulong!Carrot is a new character because regular Carrot is already clearly present on the cover? That level of casual reader would just remember that there was a character with rabbit ears and not notice that sulong!Carrot is significantly different anyways.
We should be due for a color spread in the coming chapters, so hopefully maybe he'll put it together there lol
I don't know where you've been, but Usopp hasn't gotten any blacker since Oda said that if he were in real life he'd be from Africa.
@S.C.:
And occupations:
Apoo - DJ
Law - Doctor
These are kind of cop-outs. When Oda did these for the strawhats he left out their crew professions or else Sanji would have just been a cook, and Chopper a doctor, etc…
@Kaido:
Urouge being a hostess bar manager is hilarious, and Bege being a shoe store owner is unexpectedly fitting.
Blackbeard being an archaeologist though. Hoo boy. Quit teasing us Oda!
We already know his hobby is archeology and history from another SBS, so this doesn't change much.
These are apparently the nationalities:
- Blackbeard - Somalia
- Law - Germany
- Kid - Scotland
- Capone - Italy
- Drake - Turkey
- Apoo - China
- Urouge - India
- Bonney - Australia
- Hawkins - Egypt
At least Oda's realized that just "Africa" is not a proper nationality. Progress!
Remember when Paulie and Iceberg were on the spine of volume 34?
I was mostly being facetious about the spine thing, but I do think that her being drawn on the same footing as the other strawhats on the hero cover when she could easily have been just in the background in her Sulong form is pretty telling.
:ninja: Carrot and Jimbei are on the spine of vol. 88 :ninja:
From 2ch
Panda girl's name is Boire
For the non-French speakers here: "Boire" means drink. As in, the action of drinking.
Personally, I’ll take perverted jokes over character birthdays any time. I don’t understand why some fans are so interested in that sort of thing.
At least those have been banned from the SBS now.
Man with Amande being the 3rd child and Big Mom having stopped giving birth no more than 8 years ago we can confirm that Peros and Compote are twins if Big Mom stopped exactly 8 years ago.
=D
Amande is the 3rd daughter, not the third child. Katakuri is the third child.
@.access:
But Firetanks and Sun Pirates aside, no mention of them at all… not even a single pirate ship we can see at the sea that is not a Tarte. At this point, the lack of other pirate crews seem to me more a sign that there isn't anyone else in there than that we just haven't seen them.
My impression was that the tart ships are used for travel and patrols within Totland, so they would be the first to respond to any threat. We've also seen Brownie's ship so we know they exist. Most of the real ships are probably on the outskirts of Totland, or managing the BM islands far from Totland.
According to preview, Amande is the 3rd daughter.:happy:
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What does it say under Pedro's image? He has an extra line of text. Jimbei too.
@Don:
And here i thought we would have another spam bot, who would make me a questionable offer for a deal
Does that happen often around here?
@The:
Another one is Luffy's and Teach's first meeting, if you can call that a "little moment".
You absolutely can not.
Welcome to AP :D Avocados are amazing.
Incorrect. Avocados are somehow simultaneously bland and nasty. I came up with my name by asking myself what was the most miserable thing I could think of that didn't involve animals or humans.
But hey, more avocados for you I guess.
:^)
@S.C.:
Pedro has the lifespan of an 82 year old man and is constantly pushing himself. If he's simply not going to drop dead when he returns to Zou, then he needs to get at least some of his lifespan back, somehow.
Yeah, football players have a live expectancy of 59 years. A pirate/soldier fighting and training all his life like Pedro did is going to have a much shorter life span than normal. So him being 82 is pretty much as old as he could have realistically gotten. Even Whitebeard was breaking down at 72.
Ugh, I had such a bad week, wish I could have the new chapter for today.
I can smell the post-mortem coming up. I am so personally afraid of what will become of Big Mom.
I lost Monet, I don't want to lose Big Mom.
Big Mom is way too involved with Elbaf to die before the crew goes there.
@K.:
He wasn't dead, if he could live one more year that should be encouraged. It wasn't like he was terminally ill. Not like his years could not come back.
He wasn't dying he chose death, and while it is an honorable sacrifice, if given the choice to live that is what they should push for. Why do you think Brooke lied to Sanji, he knows Sanji will feel responsible for it. He just went through a whole lot of trouble to save his family. They could have escaped, but Sanji wanted to save his family, because Sanji wanted to stay, Pedro had to sacrifice himself.
That's how Sanji will see it. And that same feeling of guilt can be attained if Pedro becomes a cripple.
Pedro decided he would die this day before he even set foot in chocolat town. He felt that this was his last chance to die with a purpose. It doesn't matter if Sanji will blame himself, Pedro prefered this to just living a little longer.
Also, the wedding and Sanji's subsequent rescue isn't Sanji or any strawhat's fauld. So while Sanji might feel guilty, it's not actually his fault. Any resulting deaths don't go on the strawhats' heads.
@K.:
Wouldn't Pedro's fall directly on Sanji?
No, because he was dying anyways. Pedro even thanked the strawhats for letting him do something useful with the little life he had left.
If this was Naruto, all those guys would totally be dead.
But it's One Piece. They're all fine.
It's not about what makes sense, its about what the author does consistently and consistency of the world. EVERYONE lives and gets a doctor to treat their life threatening wounds just in time.
If the story says they're dead and never contradicts this, then they're dead. It's in the realm fanfiction to think otherwise.
Oda isn't afraid to have people die in One piece, it happens in flashbacks all the time. The issue is when its by actions caused by the strawhats, when Oda has plans for the characters, or when he doesn't want to ruin the mood. When it doesn't fall into those categories Oda does allow a few people to die from time to time.
Bellamy crew is too important to be actually dead.
I literally can't think of less important characters in all of One Piece than Bellamy's crew. Sarquis is a rung above them, but "girl in fluffy coat", "secretary woman", "guy with glasses", and "guy with pom-pom hat" are as bottom-tier as you can get in One Piece without just being an extra.
Erm, what? First time I've ever heard this.
There's another part where he goes more in depth about what she told him about how he should treat death in his writing but I can't find it right now.
He doesn't kill characters because he personally got upset when a main character died in Fist of the North Star and it put him off the series at the time, so he knows full well the feeling that any character can be someone's favorite.
If that's the case, why was he so much more willing to kill characters in the first chapter?
It should also be noted that Oda's grandmother who told him he shouldn't kill his characters so easily passed away a few years ago, so Oda might not have as much incentive to keep these characters alive as he used to.
@.access:
The weirdest part is that Oven is already back to the story and nothing in him suggests he fought someone or that someone intervened in Pound's execution. I still don't know what to think of that because I was sure we wouldn't see Oven anytime soon until it was time to reveal Pound was safe
by Lola's actions)
Oh shit, I forgot we saw Oven since the Pound chapter. Yeah, I think Pound is dead. He was swinging at his neck.
@K.:
Pedro and Pound are both character that can be very easily brought back.
Pound can easily come back if he got saved by someone. The problem is that there's nobody we know of that could defeat Oven on Cocoa island. So it would have to be someone new to the arc and that's something we can't foresee.
Pedro is a different matter. He definitely died on that beach. MB might bring him back through the years she took (though I have seperate reasons not to believe that), but that explosion definitely killed him. The biggest indicator of this is that Perospero was so monumentally pissed at the strawhats because of Pedro. If he was that pissed at them, then that means he made double sure that he couldn't get any amount of revenge from Pedro himself. Also, Oda already had a fakeout death for Pedro this arc when he blew up the dynamite next to Tomago. I don't see Oda doing this twice, I see it as Oda burning the fake out death card to get it out of the way before the real death.
No character's survival has yet taken away from the events stemming from their sacrifices, and those who actually died did so in order to profoundly change a character's path in the course of the story.
I disagree on two counts: Pell and Pagaya. Oda's stated reason for bringing them back is that he didn't want those deaths to taint the feeling of victory at the end of the arc. The difference between those two arcs and WCI is that I don't think WCI is supposed to end with a huge feeling of victory. The Sunny got trashed, and Luffy/vs/Katakuri is probably going to end in a tie with Luffy talk-no-jutsuing his way out of the situation. This wasn't Enies Lobby where they got in, crushed everyone, and got out. Here they accomplished their primary goal of saving Sanji, but their assassination plot was a miserable failure and they're desperately running away. So even if Pedro lives, he's still in enemy territory with no way out. Pell and Pagaya returned on what was now friendly territory.
There's also that there have been two deaths on the good guys' side this arc. So if Oda doesn't want to "taint the feeling of victory", he's going to have to bullshit two different ways for Pedro and Pound to have survived. And I don't see that happening twice this arc.
Am I supposed to care what other people think?
No, but you can't say anything got cemented as anything if it's only a fringe opinion.
Hello all,
I've been lurking here on and off ever since the crew met Duval, but I only decided to create an account a few days ago. I've been reading One Piece since grade school and got into it when vol. 8 was the newest to come out.
My avatar is Chopper from Judge Dredd. Bit of a pun there.
Hope to have a good time.
I'd say cementing Bellamy as one of his best characters is accomplishing something.
Very few people think this.
Reminder that Katakuri is still trying to eliminate Luffy because he is a threat for Linlin in the future.
Yeah, but they're definitely being buddy-buddy right now, even as they fight.
@The:
The way I see it, it would depend on what happens after Big Mom eats her cake. Katakuri always struck me as a momma's boy (for some reason) so if his mom's happy, then he wouldn't mind lending Luffy a helping hand against a bigger threat. Even though that would technically put the Yonkou BM on the female support squad next to Hancock and I'm pretty sure there are some who prefer to keep her authority intact.
But that's just my two cents.
I don't think BM will ally herself with Luffy, but I think the BM pirates will crumble. How many times have they stressed that the Big Mom name is in tatters because of the stunts that Luffy pulled? How many of her children have died or defected this arc? Morale and infrastructure took a major hit in Luffy's passage and I think other forces will take advantage of this. Katakuri seeing how Luffy treats him better than his family does could probably push him to leave.
In an effort to get this thread back to a topic at least marginally related to what this is supposed to be about:
What does everybody think the odds are for Katakuri to join the Strawhats as an ally? Probably not in the fleet, but maybe in the same way that Marco will help the Strawhats against Kaido. Katakuri is being pretty friendly with Luffy right now.
Thoughts?
Coverstories remind me we are due to meet Caribou again in Kaido's arc, ugh.
Caribou is just a vessel for information about Poseidon. He might just appear for a bit to give somebody important that information and then stay in a dungeon for the rest of the arc.
@No:
…What?
(I seriously need to go check out the older parts of this forum one day.)
Crocodile and Ivankov have history together, so a rather popular theory is that Croc used to be female until Iva changed him and now he doesn't want people to know. This theory is bolstered by his childhood drawing being somewhat ambiguous, and him having his back turned during chapter 0.
I'm not sure how much stock I put into that theory though.
Then you can't say he is the second most popular character now then.
He was the second most popular character back when he was featuring on almost every cover, that's what the conversation was about. Don't twist my words.
So, when she is eventually revealed to be alive whenever Oda gets around to the Punk Hazard/Dresserossa villain cover story, the explanation is there for anyone that wants it.
We've already got a cover story for Dressrosa characters. Do you think he'll go backwards and give a cover story for Punk Hazard Characters? Has that ever happened before? Cover stories being given out of order of the events of the story? I don't think we're getting a Punk Hazard cover story.
Wat?
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That's the 6th poll which was taken during WCI. He was #2 during Dressrosa.
He hit the edge of liquidy cube. It splurted, slid, and then he ended up stabbing the ground instead. It's the only thing that makes sense given the shot in the next chapter
That's a fantastic theory, except that there's absolutely no indication of any damage on the edge of the cube.
There's nothing on the sides of the cube to indicate a splurt of blood large enough to spill over on the other side of the cube.
Oda deliberately drew it in a very unusual way, to indicate "this isn't quite what it seemed."
Did he? Because Oda says he draws "everything that moves", but a stick in the ground doesn't fall under that purview. There's no guarantee that this wasn't just a fuckup on an assistant's part. I'll believe that over an elaborate ruse to keep a character alive who he hasn't made relevant in ~200 chapters. Pell, Pagaya, and the G5 marines lived because Oda didn't want the arc to have a downer ending so he revived them before the end of the arc. Most people are still under the impression that Monet died, so that reasoning doesn't work. And this isn't Bon-chan, nobody's going to be excited if its ever revealed that she survived somehow 300 chapters down the line.
Also, there was nothing "very unusual" about the way Oda framed that sequence. That was the perfect way to frame that action while having us look straight at Caesar's face and his expression.
Her earlier injuries plus the jostling took her out, not the apparent stabbing.
Even your own theory two quotes ago includes her getting stabbed in the heart. The side of the heart, not the center, but I wouldn't want any kind of damage to my heart that would produce that kind of blood spurt.
And even without that?
Even if she WAS directly stabbed in the heart? She'd still be okay, this is One Piece. On of the horses on enies Lobby was shot in the heart and was fine afterward.
Is that the correct translation? Because I just checked my VIZ copy and it says "chest" not "heart". But anyways, the horse got treatment from a world-class doctor soon after. Monet was buried under a mountain and her entire support network collapsed the very next day.
And even without that?
Monet is a snow logia. In an area full of snow. Unless Ceaser was filling that spike with Haki, (And it wasn't black) even if it was a direct hit it shouldn't matter. (And it wouldn't have long term hurt Smoker either for that matter.) Weve seen Enel's heart stop and Crocodile be beheaded, it doesn't matter. It was Tashigi's haki hit from earlier that made her start coughing blood.
If she had logia immunity to that attack there would have been no blood at all, and she wouldn't have been fazed. Enel was perfectly fine with a spear through his brain. Ceasar's attack hit.
@Count Mario
Well, I guess it's about time this thread goes back to discussing about Monet…
None of that explains the blood spurt.
@Count:
Except that the panel framing and angles makes it look like Caesar hit her heart when he could have missed, hence the stake being next to the heart. In which Monet would have coughed up blood from the injuries she already sustained from Tashigi by coincidence.
I know how much of a stretch that sounds, but Oda's done way worse in reviving characters.
That makes no sense. What's with the blood-spurt when Caesar stabs the heart then? This argument is based on a monumental coincidence and on ignoring your own eyes. All the other fake-out deaths at least has the decency to happen off-panel so we could assume that some stuff happened when we weren't looking.
@Count:
I need to light up the Robby signal to explain why Monet can still be alive.
What's the excuse? The panel with the stake sticking out on the ground next to the heart? That would only make it worse. When getting stabbed, removing the intruding object only makes you bleed out.
@No:
I'm not sure this is the case. No one died in Fishman Island,
True, but that's technically not in the New World, so I guess the stakes hadn't been raised yet.
@No:
no one died in Punk Hazard (OH NO THE POISONOUS GAS GOT THEM THEY'RE…just frozen in place)
Vergo and Monet are still presumed dead at this point. I'm not sure how the story could conceivably explain away Monet's heart getting stabbed on-panel.
@No:
no one died in Dressrosa even with a giant unbreakable (and apparently autonomous) deathtrap closing in,
While I know the rules are different for flashbacks, we saw a LOT of dead children in the Dressrosa flashbacks. A class full of children in Law's and a baby in Señor Pink's. That's still a step up in terms of how much Oda's willing to kill.
@No:
no one died in Zou,
I really don't see how anyone other than Jack and maybe few stragglers managed to survive Zunisha's attack.
And it was also Oda's choice to have Law on 7 out of 10 covers in a row prominently with Luffy and other Strawhats in equal billing. Doesn't mean he's joining the crew.
Law did join the crew in a sense. He's in an official pirate alliance with Luffy. He's not just an underling, he's not just a buddy that the strawhats are helping out, he's an equal part partner that the story is treating as being Luffy's equal (it also helps that he's the #2 most popular character and I'm sure Oda's editor tells him to cram him everywhere).
@Count:
Pedro and Pekoms looked nice with the Straw Hats on the Volume 82 cover as well.
Pekoms is clearly there as a gag and he doesn't look like he's enjoying being in the strawhats' company at all. But I would say that Pedro has reached the same "honorary strawhat" status that Vivi has. Especially if his sacrifice holds (don't fuck me on this, Oda) but I think Oda's a little more likely to let deaths happen since the timeskip.
When anything new comes up, I'm happy to chime in. Thanks for the kind words!
You do good work to hold back the anti-Carrot hordes. Although I think you messed up by betting on her joining at the end WCI. She won't join before having actually interacted on-panel with the other half of the crew.
Heck the fact that Law literally had a similar Jolly Roger to DD was apparent as well and featured in the same arc.
Oda said in an SBS that that style of jolly roger was just the style in the north blue. But Doflamingo isn't from there, so… I'm not sure what to make of that.
@.access:
The fact Oda said the created the supernova just before he presented them in the story shouldn't be enough to disqualify Bonney? It means she didn't even exist as a concept in his mind before Sabaody.
No, all the supernova existed in concept (though they had no designs yet) its just that they were supposed to be new world pirates. Oda only introduced them in Sabaody because he felt that the arc was missing something, but he had plans for them when he introduced them.
That being said, Bonney being Ace's sister is more likely than her joining the crew, and that's an out there theory.