Since he is a rubber man and since the start of the series been constantly stretching his body, wouldn't that not accumulate to massive amount of excersise only taken to the extreme, since stretching your muscles is bascially what most working out is.
Which could help to explain why hes so freakishly strong
I'd say this is very likley.
and now that I'd think about it it'd also explain why he doesn't gain any weight from his diet
That's actualy a good explanation. You think that's how he trained in those 10 years? Stretching?
Perhaps. Can't find a base for it, though.
and now that I'd think about it it'd also explain why he doesn't gain any weight from his diet
It's because all the constantly running around and fighting after losing 5 liters of blood is great exercise.
Luffy's enormous hunger represents his huge stamina. He's using that food like fuel in a Hummer.
It's because all the constantly running around and fighting after losing 5 liters of blood is great exercise.
**I seriously doubt Luffy had fights of that magnitude every week. The only person we know he fought before setting out is Ace, and I doubt he tried to kill him.
Regardless if this was his training method, stretching that much will help is muscles.**
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The only person we know he fought before setting out is Ace, and I doubt he tried to kill him.
I kind of get the feeling that Luffy have tried to match his big brother tons of time and would'nt be scared of doing serious damage, because as Luffy said that when he fought with Ace he could'nt win even once. And he would'nt say so if he hadnt tried everything.
Also it would be interesting to see Luffy facing his brother Ace again. 
Luffy is aiming to be the pirateking and Ace wants Whitebeard to be the pirateking, soo either Luffy will fight Whitebeard or Ace. Tho if he where to fight Ace the outcome whould be…..?
I kind of get the feeling that Luffy have tried to match his big brother tons of time and would'nt be scared of doing serious damage, because as Luffy said that when he fought with Ace he could'nt win even once. And he would'nt say so if he hadnt tried everything.
ou don't have to try to kill to go your all. And Luffy wasn't a challenge to Ace, so he had absolutley no reason to go hard on him,let alone kill. They are brother, they aren't going to try and kill eachother over something like that.
Actually, the eating comment was in reference to the current story, not the flashback and ten years of training. He's gets that exercise there, and only eats an enormous meal once or twice per arc, if even that.
As for his strength, what about the rumor that Luffy is part giant? Oimo said that "we're made of toughter stuff," so that could be part of the reason.
I still don't think that all these people are related (D.)
I think its just some symbol of a prophecy of something amazing happening to these people as if fate will give them an important role in life such as Saul's role and the Gol's role. Also, Blackbeard and Luffy will have the same role as these, which will probably be the end of the World Government, and that's my theory on their relations but not by blood.
The strength part is excellent and when people ask why he gets stronger without training, that's probably why. Also, it could show why this devil fruit isn't as much as worthless at all.
I still don't think that all these people are related (D.)
I think its just some symbol of a prophecy of something amazing happening to these people as if fate will give them an important role in life such as Saul's role and the Gol's role. Also, Blackbeard and Luffy will have the same role as these, which will probably be the end of the World Government, and that's my theory on their relations but not by blood.
Saul said everyone in his family has the D initial. So it's highley likley Saul and Luffy are related one way or another.
The strength part is excellent and when people ask why he gets stronger without training, that's probably why. Also, it could show why this devil fruit isn't as much as worthless at all.
**Luffy trained for 10 years before setting off. He may train a little on the ship, but Oda doesn't bother with such things.
And they have only been out to see for around a month. They are in a fight going beyond their limits every week, they don't have time to train.**
bah, maybe coincidence? Luffy doesn't represent a giant in anyway and the only one who seems to be half giant is Black beard, otherwise everyone else seems to be short or medium size.
bah, maybe coincidence? Luffy doesn't represent a giant in anyway and the only one who seems to be half giant is Black beard, otherwise everyone else seems to be short or medium size.
Body shape and size are not traits that always pass down from generation to generation. For instance, there are people in my family that are 1 foot or more in difference even though they are siblings from the same mother and father.
I.e. My dad's brother is 6'2'', and he is only 5'4. Same mother and father. Either that or my grandma slept with the milkman … also, I know of a family where 4 of the 5 members (mother, father, 2 daughters, and a son) are under 5'5'', but the son is 6'3''.
It is possible that the giant gene did not pass down to Luffy and Ace, but perhaps to Blackbeard a bit.
As much as it is hard to imagine a giant having sex with a human, it's possible in this universe if Oda wishes it to be, even if, it doesn't seem "realistic" or "logical." Those are two things that a lot of people on this board want everything in One Piece to explained in the context of; unfortunately, this universe is fictional and such rules don't always apply.
There are also plenty of other examples in other fictional works (Xanth) that have had similar situations, where Ogres slept with humans and the like.
but your forgetting something. There is no such thing as a giant gene since a giant is not height alone, its supposed to be a race like there is mermen, giants, humans, and the animals themselves but yeah. Height doesn't recognize a giant but it does recognize a person's size sometimes but as of now we are talking about giants as in the race of a giant.
but your forgetting something. There is no such thing as a giant gene since a giant is not height alone, its supposed to be a race like there is mermen, giants, humans, and the animals themselves but yeah. Height doesn't recognize a giant but it does recognize a person's size sometimes but as of now we are talking about giants as in the race of a giant.
Well, yeah. I won't describe it, but it would be hard for a GIANT to sleep with a human (shudders).
As for Luffy's training, it makes sence for him to stretch. However, doing the same exercise over and over will eventually make the work-out useless. Benching 50 lbs. now will feel like nothing to you 6-months later.
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As for Luffy's training, it makes sence for him to stretch. However, doing the same exercise over and over will eventually make the work-out useless. Benching 50 lbs. now will feel like nothing to you 6-months later.
But he not going to stretch the same lengh each time.
Body shape and size are not traits that always pass down from generation to generation. For instance, there are people in my family that are 1 foot or more in difference even though they are siblings from the same mother and father.
I.e. My dad's brother is 6'2'', and he is only 5'4. Same mother and father. Either that or my grandma slept with the milkman … also, I know of a family where 4 of the 5 members (mother, father, 2 daughters, and a son) are under 5'5'', but the son is 6'3''.
Giants are a different species, though. It's like comparing Gorillas to Orangutans.
As much as it is hard to imagine a giant having sex with a human, it's possible in this universe if Oda wishes it to be, even if, it doesn't seem "realistic" or "logical." Those are two things that a lot of people on this board want everything in One Piece to explained in the context of; unfortunately, this universe is fictional and such rules don't always apply.
It's not that hard to imagine at all, seeing as there's already been one giant hybrid introduced in the series (with good reason at that). Giants have lifespans of about two hundred years, so I'm betting it'll take about fifty years for them to reach full size. Until then, they'll be pretty large but not gigantic and would be prefectly capable of mating with another human.
If the human characteristics are dominant over the giant's, it's highly likely that a normal human who is 1/4th giant could be produced within two generations.
Well about Luffy being a half-giant, it's possible
We already have seem half-breads of Fishmen and Human (Sapi the fish sealer in Loguetown) and Fishmen and Giants (Big Pan from Foxy's crew) so why not a Giant human
And Luffy probably trains just like Zoro (Oda just choose not to display it)
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Well, yeah. I won't describe it, but it would be hard for a GIANT to sleep with a human (shudders).
As for Luffy's training, it makes sence for him to stretch. However, doing the same exercise over and over will eventually make the work-out useless. Benching 50 lbs. now will feel like nothing to you 6-months later.
You use the term "benching" very loosely.
This is completely left field, but it isn't that incomprehensible for a giant and human to reproduce. simple have a female giant and male human.
i also liked the point about giants not becoming full size till later in life but somehow i doubt this, i'd expect giant babies to be just that.
on topic, we know luffy spent 10 years training his gomu gomu no pistol, learning to flex his muscles and his battles with ace are probably what made him as strong as he is.
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**Most of Luffy's training was probaley Ace and Luffy fighting to gain expiraince and skills. He also created moves and such, such as pistol. Contrary to popular belif, pistol is not a regular punch. And he probaley did train to stretch further.
As for the giant to human, it's possible both ways. It just isn't pretty.**
can i bring another thought to the table. Anyone remember the story of thumbleina (sp) the girl who was the size of a thumb, born from 2 humans. Maybe Luffy was a 'thumbelina" born of 2 giants. Maybe that's why we don't know about Luffy's parents either. they couldn't live in Luffy's home town. They're too big.
Just a thought.
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ou don't have to try to kill to go your all. And Luffy wasn't a challenge to Ace, so he had absolutley no reason to go hard on him,let alone kill. They are brother, they aren't going to try and kill eachother over something like that.
i dint mean kill just that, think about luffy how is he. yes he do care about his brother. but he dont give up no matter what and especialy if it is one steep in the line to become the pirate king, he knew he had to become strong and training him self. so he fought with ace to train but still see how far he could go.
lets se when you do work outs and train some sport or anything, you try you best am i right? and sometimes (at a choice able sport) you fight against another person. someone you might have never seen or you father you brother or even your sister.
and when you do you dont take it easy now do you?
you wanna be the best so you fight with all your might.
im seeing the same senario with luffy and ace that why i dont think that luffy would go easy on ace just because he is his brother.
and if i dont remember totaly wrong. none of those that luffy has fought with has been killed.
correct me if im wrong but do you see what im pointing out?
^What do you mean Luffy going easy on Ace? If anything, it's the other way around. And there is a differance between trying your best and killing Luffy hasn't tried to kill anybody in the series so far.
that is what i mean luffy hasnt tryed to kill anyone and still when he fights he aim to beat the crap out of his opponent, there for when ace and luffy where training/fighting (if this even is the how it was, remember he said to the crew that he had never beaten his brother once. and not saying where wher training) it just dont match that luffy wouldnt try his best to beat ace. and ace wouldnt whant luffy to not go all out.
thats because according to Oda when he fights villains they are putting more than their lives on the line Luffy and Ace Would NEVER be fighting that serious (at least in the past)
but i still dont get just that. both knows what it means to be a pirate and both aimed to be pirates. so why not fight hole hearthed?
well heres the SBS question
D: Why doesn't Luffy ever kill his enemies? If you look back, he didn't kill Mohji, he didn't kill Helmepp or Captain Morgan, or anyone. Well, Zoro was the one who beat Morgan, but still. Why?
O: Ahh, good question. First of all, Morgan is still alive. His former subordinates put him in prison. So why didn't he kill him? In this era, people put their lives on their beliefs and convictions, and fight. Luffy goes into battle and destroys others' beliefs. When these enemies' beliefs are shattered, and they lose, they feel a pain as great as dying. I think that for these pirates, killing or not killing is secondary to winning or losing.
Well about the weight lifting thing, a person can use 50 pounds and do a full work out every time with those 50 pounds. I have 2 30 pound arm weights and I have been using them for 2 years and it has increased my strength. Just as time past, you have to do more reps but the weight does not have to change at all.
Actually, yeah, it does. Doing it more frequently and increasing reps isn't a good thing at all. Which is why people get into big weights in the first place.
On the topic of actual weightlifting, once you get past 12 reps you kinda have to switch.
but i still dont get just that. both knows what it means to be a pirate and both aimed to be pirates. so why not fight hole hearthed?
Because it would be easy for Ace and Luffy wouldn't try and actually kill him. Try to make him bleed? Yes. Try to bruise him? Yes Try to smash him? Yes. But kill him? No.
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Well I am no expert or anything but I have been doing it like that for a while. I maybe doing it wrong, so why would it harm you? I do the arm curls. Then I work on my shoulders by lifting both weights over my head. I do like 5 reps of 20, like every other night.
I thought getting into bigger weights was to increase mass and staying with the same weights was just to tone? IF this is hurting me, I need to know ASAP because I have been doing that for a while. Same with my pushups and situps.
Sorry to get off topic.
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Well I am no expert or anything but I have been doing it like that for a while. I maybe doing it wrong, so why would it harm you? I do the arm curls. Then I work on my shoulders by lifting both weights over my head. I do like 5 reps of 20, like every other night.
I thought getting into bigger weights was to increase mass and staying with the same weights was just to tone? IF this is hurting me, I need to know ASAP because I have been doing that for a while. Same with my pushups and situps.
Sorry to get off topic.
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High repititions can lead to joint and tendon problems. Large amounts of weight if your body is not prepared can lead to ligament, tendon, bone and muscular damage. Odds are though that you will not hurt yourself by using weights you are comfortable with than with weights that are in excess of your limits. That does not mean that weights that you feel comfortable using can not hurt you.
Either way, lifting has both pros and cons. It makes you in better shape, but also puts extra wear in tear on your body that in the long run will catch up to you.
Maintaining the same weight will cause you to plateau (not getting any stronger) after a certain amount of time. You may feel "stronger," but if you do not increase repititions or weight, then you will not bulid any more endurance or strength.
Anyways, I'm not sure if I answered your query. I don't know how it can be 'bad for you' except that doing too many reps or too much weight can lead to more serious consequences.
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Luffy and Ace will fight, which I believe will happen the same way I think Takumi needs to surpass Bunta if he is going to become a professional. The reason is that Ace is in Luffy's way now. He wishes to help Whitebeard attain One Piece. Also, Luffy could never beat Ace in his youth. Ace is an obstacle / roadblock in Luffy's path. If Luffy defeats Ace, then he will be able to go up to the next level.
well heres the SBS question
okey. but still fighting easy aint luffy right?
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Because it would be easy for Ace and Luffy wouldn't try and actually kill him. Try to make him bleed? Yes. Try to bruise him? Yes Try to smash him? Yes. But kill him? No.
im totaly with you. everything but kill him.
now again when you fight and train and all that stuff.
you kick,you punch,you do headslams and alot of more.
oh and whops there where the little punch who got to strong.
what i mena is that he dont aim to kill but he aim to beat him.
and so on he fight with all his might.
am i wrong?
Yeah that's actually an interesting point. Were it to ever come down to either Luffy was Pirate King or Whitebeard was pirate king, Luffy would DEFINITELY go all out against ace. I'm curious as to whether or not it would actually do much damage.
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The one thing that bothers me is how Luffy will beat Ace.
Rubber burns quite easily. And when it does, it has the most godawful odor you can imagine.
Didn't Luffy threaten to kill the Kuroneko Kaizoku several times? I believe he said, "Laugh at Usopp again and I'll kill you." And Zoro killed Siam and Butchie and Luffy didn't even care.
Luffy doesn't murder senselessly. Neither does most of the strawhats. Only Zoro and Robin really kill anyone. Robin because she didn't trust anyone till the Strawhats and Zoro because before he met Luffy, he was a bounty hunter, which is the same thing as a mercenary. You're paid to apprehend and/or kill deadly criminals.
Luffy doesn't really care who dies as long as it's not the person he's fighting. He's a bit of a sadist, actually. Luffy wants his victim to remain alive so that they suffer the pain of regret, the realization that their dreams have become corrupt and will not succeed if they continue down the path they are going. Even the nasty Arlong had a dream…
But like I said, Luffy witnessed several deaths and didn't give a rats ass about any of them. The only death he cared about was the Bounty Hunters at Whisky Peak. Luffy's gullible, so he didn't think to realize that people that had been so nice to him were actually tricking him. Plus, he knew Zoro was a killer.
When Mr. 5 blew up Ms. Monday and Mr. 9, Luffy didn't care. When Igaram got killed (supposedly) by Robin, he didn't care. Luffy didn't care when Pell (supposedly) or Chakra died, either. And so on and so forth. Luffy acts dumb, but he's not. He knows that death is inevitable.
One thing that puzzles me, though. Back in the Krieg Arc, Luffy told Krieg he wasn't going to die, and to Sanji, told him that getting killed was no way to repay a debt. However, when Lucci mentions that the "Gear" moves put great stress on his body and will drastically shorten his life, Luffy seems a bit different. He says that it's inevitable and he'll do what he can to protect his nakama. For Vivi, too, he was "killed" twice by Crocodile, but came back and still fought.
Has it ever occurred to anyone that the D may mean that they have control over life/death? That the D's can CHOOSE when they die? D. Ragon saved Luffy in Loguetown, but nothing saved him from being impaled in the desert except his own will, and being dehydrated by sheer luck.
I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.
I doubt Luffy will fight Ace in an end all battle. Luffy will fight white beard while Sanji or Franky or some new member will fight Ace. Zoro would fight the first mate or the swordsman of the whitebeard pirates.
I doubt Luffy will fight Ace in an end all battle. Luffy will fight white beard while Sanji or Franky or some new member will fight Ace. Zoro would fight the first mate or the swordsman of the whitebeard pirates.
I don't think Luffy will fight Ace in an end all battle, but I think he will have to fight him eventually. The other Mugiwaras don't fight Logias, and secondly, Ace seems to be one of the most powerful characters in the Grand Line. It's only fitting if he is beaten by Luffy. I seriously doubt Luffy would even let any of the other crew members fight Ace. It's completely out of character.
On the who-fights-who debate, it occurred to me recently that even the gears don't give luffy a way around Ao Kiji's ice barrier.
Usopp, on the other hand, has all those awesome phoenix stars. I considered Sanji's heat legs, but Usopp's phoenix is probably hotter.
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On the who-fights-who debate, it occurred to me recently that even the gears don't give luffy a way around Ao Kiji's ice barrier.
Xactly, everytime i read that luffy is smart to develop such techniques i wanted to write the following:
Just how unteachably stupid must one be to enhance his punch to fight a logia^^!?
yay, i finally did :)
But i know that they will never purposely search for a logias weakness since it would ruin the "surprising" rescue at the last possible moment of battle^^.
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U know when I think of Aokiji, I think of Iceman. And well using that, Aokiji should pretty much be immortal or near immortal. An S-class logia I would say because he could keep reforming his body if Luffy were somehow to melt him. I'm interested to see how Luffy takes on Aokiji.
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How would he beat Aokiji? Not difficult. Salt. Ice can't reform when salt is sprinkled on it. It melts and stays melted.
Another possibility is melting him and putting him in a bottle or something that he can't escape from.
Even Smoker had a weakness (besides seastone): Wind. Wind blows smoke around. That's why D. Ragon was able to grab Smoker's hand and stop him from striking Luffy with his truncheon.
Logia's aren't unbeatable. They just require the right weakness to be available.
I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.
May be slightly offtopic but is it just that msn translation
chapter158 or did the anime actually change one of ace's most important statements in Ep.94 from "Your powers don't stand a chance against mine." to "With our abilitys a fight would be pointless."?
Does manga-ace really mean fire wins over smoke or is it just another way of saying they're even?
In the anime with all the weird additional footage of ace, ace and smoker actually fight to a draw.It would lead to yet another plothole in the anime if they were to fight sometime in the manga and fire were superior to smoke.
(Besides, later on in the anime, ace is shown as such a godlike fighter that it would seem odd if he could be defeated by any means other than seastone^^)
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May be slightly offtopic but is it just that msn translation
chapter158 or did the anime actually change one of ace's most important statements in Ep.94 from "Your powers don't stand a chance against mine." to "With our abilitys a fight would be pointless."?Does manga-ace really mean fire wins over smoke or is it just another way of saying they're even?
In the anime with all the weird additional footage of ace, ace and smoker actually fight to a draw.It would lead to yet another plothole in the anime if they were to fight sometime in the manga and fire were superior to smoke.
(Besides, later on in the anime, ace is shown as such a godlike fighter that it would seem odd if he could be defeated by any means other than seastone^^)
Hell no, the translation was poor. The whole point of that scene was to show Fire and Smoke were equal and they would never be able to beat the other.
Even Smoker had a weakness (besides seastone): Wind. Wind blows smoke around. That's why D. Ragon was able to grab Smoker's hand and stop him from striking Luffy with his truncheon.
Well, it's possible Dragon simply HAS wind powers and Smoker was merely too terrified to try and fight him. And please stop calling him "D. Ragon"…it makes him sound like an Italian pasta...>_<
Yes, I agree. I really don't much like the idea of Dragon being D. Ragon.
However, I do believe that Luffy, Ace, and the rest of the D.'s are related. Saul even stated that ( although how did he know, I have no idea ). Luffy's just probably 1/4 giant or maybe even 1/8 or something like that. I would NOT enjoy it if he was a full giant, and just hasn't reached the size yet.
Also, Luffy still can't beat Aokiji, even with Gears. No matter how much he punched, it'll go threw. I think it'll be a little predictable if Oda gives Luffy some kind of salt attack, and that'll be that for Aokiji. I would like it more if Sanji or Usopp took him on.
Yeah, I had an interesting though. IF luffy is getting ten crewmembers plus himself, that's eleven right? So!
7 Shichibaki+3 Admirals+1 Sengoku=ELEVEN. Luffy would probably take on Sengoku (I think he's strong, anyway) and the rest would be open. Zoro would take Hawkeye, and wouldn't you know it, Usopp has all those nice firebird burn the world down techniques….which could happen unfortunately to a man with ice powers (also, conveniently proving his worth as a warrior of the sea.)
Yeah, I had an interesting though. IF luffy is getting ten crewmembers plus himself, that's eleven right? So!
7 Shichibaki+3 Admirals+1 Sengoku=ELEVEN. Luffy would probably take on Sengoku (I think he's strong, anyway) and the rest would be open. Zoro would take Hawkeye, and wouldn't you know it, Usopp has all those nice firebird burn the world down techniques….which could happen unfortunately to a man with ice powers (also, conveniently proving his worth as a warrior of the sea.)
This seems pretty far-fetched. I think it is more realistic to speculate that at least 1 Shichibukai and 1 Admiral will be defeated by the halfway point. From there is where the action will pick up.
I also think the following are much more probable speculations.
I don't think any one below Luffy / Sanji / Zoro will take on a Shichibukai by him / her self because of the huge strength gap. I don't know if this will hold true, but it seems very likely. I'd probably rate this at about 80% likely to hold true.
No Logias will not be taken on by any one besides Luffy (Aokiji included). Plus, Luffy has to avenge his loss to Aokiji. I presume he will develop another Gear or something that will make him super hot, or he will pour salt on himself. I think the Luffy Vs Aokiji part 2 is 100% likely.
DonQuixote will be Luffy's fight because of what Luffy did to Bellamy. This seems like a good chance. I'd even say 90% probable.
B. Bear / Kuma (whatever) is up for grabs between Zoro and Sanji. I say Zoro because I'm expecting Kuma to pull a massive sword out from nowhere (the guy is just huge!).
Hawkeyes is Zoro's fight. (100% for sure)
Jinbei most certainly will be Luffy's fight. This also seems like a good chance. I'd say 90%, UNLESS, another Shichibukai or more powerful foe shows up at the same time they meet Jinbei. That would relegate Jinbei to either Zoro or Sanji, and put Luffy against the more powerful adversary.
About the other two Shichibukai, I have no speculation on them because we have no information. This goes for the other two Admirals as well, but probabilities would probably lie that one of the 'Big Three' will take them on.
Anyways, most of the above is complete speculation, and I will probably end up completely wrong on some of them. My probabilities are pretty subjective (except for Hawkeyes Vs. Zoro), but I think they have merit. We'll just have to wait and see.
