@Zik:
Ok then no need to quantify it then. It certainly is not the main point.
If you're serious about this part then you haven't been paying attention.
I'd suggest you just reread my posts before I bother to reply again.
Did you misunderstand my sarcastic statement about you stating they fought for multiple hours?
Or did you not remember what was shown of the fight?
Common sense is not a deflection.
Already did say but it's based on Ulti's showing in the story. Again common sense.
We're not talking about Nami's knowledge of weather though.
You cant have it both ways. You're pretending like the climatact is a reflection of Nami's power as a fighter when its a tool that was ineffective before until through means of Big Mom it became a more powerful weapon.
Nami landing the finishing blow on Ulti has nothing to do with her knowledge of weather.
But I get you'll keep pretending like it is.
This is one of those reread my replies questions cuz I know I did this already.
Think you just couldn't accept it.
The group consisting of individual members are haki users. What is seriously hard to comprehend about that?
We're not talking about one character though.
If you don't understand, sure.
The rest still don't matter. I'm talking about commander to commander.
Saying a kid used haki is irrelevant.
You seriously still don't understand the statement if this is still the question. I explained it more than one way and you seem to still not get it.
The commanders. That's who I'm talking about.
Not Pekoms.
You managed to quote the post. Identify the topic of my post and still bring up characters that don't matter when it comes to defeating BM's commanders.
Another deflection. I do not want a discussion, but proof, different requirements, also pretty straightforward.
I wonder why it is so hard to do it, yet here you are posting half a dozen time and wasting time.
Yes, reason for it would be a page in the manga to substantiate your claims.
Like you said, before you bother replying, just give me that page.
Nothing was shown of the fight except the ending.
Sure it was a sarcastic statement, another deflection.
Why to people on the net have to be so hard-headed…
What showings are those, once again, substantiate them for me, give me a scene, an instance, a page, that underlines that claim.
Anything else is a deflection and hot air.
Zeus adds to the clima-tact, it does not replace it.
Nami´s mastery over the clima-tact, which her knowledge of weather is a part of, is not replaced by Zeus but additionally powered up.
See WCI and Wa No, especially chapter 1016.
Yes i am stupid Zik-sama, take pity on me and repeat your proof again please for the less gifted people like me.
And how does that translate to denying my claim that BM Pirates are at least equally as impressive since they had far more Haki users.
Yes, repeat it please.
And i refuted that point by saying that even people below the commanders were more impressive than Sasaki, who you claimed the commanders besides Katakuri looked like in strength. Pretty straightforward once again.
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While Pekoms, Tamago and co. have a brain to use and make tactics, the Numbers seem to be lacking that, and are only good for their raw strength.
Comparing titles is the most useless thing to do… comparison per se is useless...Best example, why title comparison is useless, would be Garp. While he's a Vice Admiral, we all know that no other Vice Admiral is near his level.
And while we know why he's just a Vice Admiral, and that he's above that title... it doesn't matter... because his title is... Vice Admiral.Zoro is also a combatant... doesn't mean you can compare him to Pekoms, Tamago, the Numbers or any other people with that same title...
That's why title comparison is the most useless comparison in all the other bullshit comparisons...
I could make more example for other titles, but I don't want to waste my time with that... so...
That would imply that Brook, once given the opportunity, could as easily take care of those two as he did against the number, but would first need to overcome their tricky abilities in a normal circumstance, something that is also not substantiated. Putting aside Pekoms´ Sulong, Brook being able to do that against them has never been hinted.
Just looking at Tamago vs Pedro already denies that prospect.
Sure, Garp, the only major exception of the Vice Admirals, who is also far more crucial to the story and hence has gotten more exposition, including the knowledge that he could have become Admiral whenever he wanted to, is proving that positions are useless to quantify side character number 81.
Strawhats are not a Yonkou crew divided into different hierarchy levels to underline to the reader what their respective position, both in terms of authority and power, is.
And Zoro also does not have the official title combatant like Tamaga and Pekoms had.
In addition, it has been underlined that the Yonkou and their crews, while the particular make-up can be different to a certain extent (like Whitebeard having 16 commanders for example), the relative level of the crews match each other, hence, while it certainly does not have to be completely equal, similar positions will have similar strength, at least in terms of the three Yonkou crews (Blackbeard Pirates are certainly gonna be different).
A commander of one Yonkou crew is not far outfighting a commander of another crew, and that was the claim that was done.
