Well IF Hajrudin from Luffy's block really is based on Hayreddin Barbarossa he better be a serious force. I would hope, at least. Chinjao's grand kids Boo and Sai are most likely at least appreciably strong compared to himself, so they should be somewhat relevant as well. They should all be at least as strong as Blue Gilly. I'm sure there's others as well.
Chapter 709: King Punch
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I dont post often but hear me out
I don't t think this has been discussed yet. I'm really interested in what happened in between the moment Bellamy grabbed the troll and the king punch landing. And how the barriers work.We see Bellamy grabbing Bart and then getting attacked from behind, at this moment Bart makes a barrier in front of him, does he create it through Bellamys arm? If so does he have different kind of barriers in example for living(Bellamy) and nonliving objects (force of the king punch) and he created one for nonliving. I dont see why Bellamy would had let go of Bart at this time if anything and he really did see the king punch coming with haki he would have thrown Bart towards the king or anything else but he would not let go of Bart why would he?
Bart creates a barrier at this point witch Bellamy can pass through since his arm is sticking through it (or did i get cut off?lol), then we see Bellamy getting hit from behind by the kp yet we see him flying backwards (did he get repelled backwards by the barrier towards the king landing in the water behind him?)
the lines indicate that he is flying for forward (shouldn't he fly towards Bart?)Or the next scenario happened: Bellamy was acting like a retard let go of Bart turned around stood still and got a dramatic flashback of his live, got hit by the King punch and flew over Bart and the barrier or bounced of it landing in the water yet it was big enough to protect the crowd behind Bart.
I think Bart can create different kind of barriers for different kind of attacks and situations.
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Haki dont work against bartelemeo its confirmed
All Vas can use haki according to oda and onr lost against bartelemeo.
Also haki doesnt cancel DF abilty ,
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I am thinking Ricky(Kyros) was a slave/prisoner (like the movie Gladiator). To be released, first he was suppose to win 3000 matches & then get the chance to fight doflamingo for his freedom. He hates doflamingo so something to do with that for sure lol. Also, he said he hates the cheers, for all the battles he has been in, people cheering for more blood over n over can get to you. Pretty excited to see flashbacks!
One Piece ,\/,,
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Haki dont work against bartelemeo its confirmed
All Vas can use haki according to oda and onr lost against bartelemeo.
Also haki doesnt cancel DF abilty ,
That… this post is so... so wrong, my god.
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What's most likely going on with the whole Haki vs. Devil Fruit ability dilemma is, and this may create some kind of contradiction with what Robin said earlier in the manga, the level of each ability is pit against one another. Although it may seem unlikely because of the nature of certain devil fruits in regards to "level" there's obviously some potential improvement in how well a devil fruit user accesses their power. The reason I think this is mostly because of the fight between Vergo and Law, especially the last bit when Law cuts Vergo clean in half with his ability.
Robin earlier said Haki, unlike seastone, cannot negate fruit effects but this may have been retconned. Another theory in mind is that certain devil fruits, like Law's, are by nature exterior effects and so, "touching the user's true form" may be applicable in regards to those effects.
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Haki dont work against bartelemeo its confirmed
All Vas can use haki according to oda and onr lost against bartelemeo.
Also haki doesnt cancel DF abilty ,
Wow.
That's all I can say after reading that.
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Actually his post is right. Haki doesn't negate a persons df luffy vs ceasar clown proved this
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Elizabello has one mean punch I'm curious as to how he does it.
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@Buggy:
I am thinking Ricky(Kyros) was a slave/prisoner (like the movie Gladiator). To be released, first he was suppose to win 3000 matches & then get the chance to fight doflamingo for his freedom. He hates doflamingo so something to do with that for sure lol. Also, he said he hates the cheers, for all the battles he has been in, people cheering for more blood over n over can get to you. Pretty excited to see flashbacks!
Uh, I'm going to assume that Block B was his first match considering that no one knew who he was, and that he was "an unknown gladiator." http://www.batoto.net/read/_/167382/one-piece_ch707_by_mangarule/12
I'm not saying it's his first match ever, because that one dude in the audience recognized him, but it's his first of his recent fighting status.Also, I recall many people last chapter talking about how Bart's facial and chest tattoos seemed to disappear and reappear. I was rereading 706 and saw this one:
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Haki dont work against bartelemeo its confirmed
All Vas can use haki according to oda and onr lost against bartelemeo.
Also haki doesnt cancel DF abilty ,
Yeah, every VA is supposed to be able to use Haki, but you can hardly call it confirmed from that alone. The entire fight was offscreen. That VA had just trashed Bart's crewmember, for all we know he took Bart just as lightly and went at him headfirst, to the same effect as Hack. He might not have even felt he needed to use Haki, and barts ability could have surprised him. There is literally nothing you can prove without a doubt, from a fight we didn't even see.
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I laugh if Bartolomeo full name was Bartrollomeo Jojo Simpson.Overall good chapter.
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For some reason I don't see the tournament getting to finish. It all seems like too much for Luffy to beat EVERYONE to get the fruit and even more of a stretch to see Luffy lose, especially after the time skip. So I think either Luffy show off some new moves he's been saving to beat everyone or the tournament is interupted by the marines.
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IMHO, I think the story will continue to go like this:
- (Flashback) The story of dressrosa.
- The fight of block C.
- Law reaching the meeting place and we can see the others.
- The fight of block D. "I cannot wait for it".
- Another break from the stadium, with going back to the characters.
- The fight between the 4 winners and the 4 flamingos.
and….
NO FREAKIN' IDEA
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Haki dont work against bartelemeo its confirmed
All Vas can use haki according to oda and onr lost against bartelemeo.
Just adding to DSkull's answer here.
Law fought Vergo, a Vice-Admiral who is actually pretty close to Admiral level and had one of the better (Armament) Haki's we've seen yet.
But just because Vergo lost to Law you can't say that Law is immune to Haki. It just means that Vergo was just not strong enough for him / he was a bit careless.IMHO, I think the story will continue to go like this:
- (Flashback) The story of dressrosa.
- The fight of block C.
- Law reaching the meeting place and we can see the others.
- The fight of block D. "I cannot wait for it".
- Another break from the stadium, with going back to the characters.
- The fight between the 4 winners and the 4 flamingos.
and….
NO FREAKIN' IDEA
I actually think block D might be (mostly or partially) offscreened.
After block C we might see Luffy back in the waiting room getting congratulated, talking with people, people being mad at him yadda yadda etc.
We might just see a flash of the beginning, a bit in the middle maybe, but mostly the ending just like we saw it with Burgess.Really I think there wouldn't be that much reason to show the entire D block, he could spend his time doing a few other things.
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You guys know that the battle ships are heading to DressRosa rightnow, so how long do you think is gonna take for them to arrive and what do you think is the average time of a block fight (Block A around 5 minutes,Block B used around an hour and 10 minutes) and Fujitora made the call after Jesus won, so the ships might have been on their way to DR approximately for an hour now. right
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You guys know that the battle ships are heading to DressRosa rightnow, so how long do you think is gonna take for them to arrive and what do you think is the average time of a block fight (Block A around 5 minutes,Block B used around an hour and 10 minutes) and Fujitora made the call after Jesus won, so the ships might have been on their way to DR approximately for an hour now. right
What? Where was this stated?
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it wasn't stated, I just calculated the time it took the King to charge his punch, which is an hour plus the time at the start of the fight and at the end of the fight
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Haki dont work against bartelemeo its confirmed
All Vas can use haki according to oda and onr lost against bartelemeo.
Also haki doesnt cancel DF abilty ,
Based on what …. you say that !?
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@Dan:
Well IF Hajrudin from Luffy's block really is based on Hayreddin Barbarossa he better be a serious force. I would hope, at least. Chinjao's grand kids Boo and Sai are most likely at least appreciably strong compared to himself, so they should be somewhat relevant as well. They should all be at least as strong as Blue Gilly. I'm sure there's others as well.
if Hajurdin was Barbarossa oda can name him "RedBeard" ….
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it wasn't stated, I just calculated the time it took the King to charge his punch, which is an hour plus the time at the start of the fight and at the end of the fight
You can't count the charging in this case, he already warmed up to it since (before) he was introduced
EDIT: Also, he himself said he is ready to go in chapter 707
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This chapter was epic!!! the kings punch was sort of what i expected it to be, i like the fact that when he through the punch he fodderized "formidable" opponents.. (even tho luffy made fodder of bellamy pts)…. now its understandable why they say that punch can topple a yonko.... besides that tho the king is just as you would call a one hit wonder lol
In regards to bart his fruit is good to say the least that it was able to tank such a powerful blow and be unscathed but in regards to his fruit being unbreakable i would'nt rate it that highly just yet.
We do not know much of him accept for he off panelled a VA whom definitely underestimated him where up until this chapter nothing was known of barts ability, also the fish man whom attacked without knowing Barts ability and broke his wrist and and also his match up with bellamy which was interrupted by the kings punch, which if he'd not thrown bellamy could of possibly got the better of bart because the last pannel of their encounter was bellamy gripping onto Barts coat collar and Bart looking more than concerned.What we do know is that he can use his ability as a projectile to attack his opponents and that his fruit is able to tank what appears to be really strong attacks but what we're not sure of is what is the reaction time of him being able to activate his ability and how fast he is,
If bart is not fast then his fruit is pretty much useless because any fast opponent such as luffy, sanji, enel, kizaru, aokiji, smoker, law, kuma ect would be able to bypass the wall before its activated and attack him which i expect is what has not happend to Bart before reason why is because of his facial expression against bellamy when he grabbed hold of him, bellamy is another fast character whom no doubt did not know about barts fruit and went in for a head on attack which resulted in him obviously hurting himself, to say the least Bart was saved by the kings punch.... it just all goes down to match upOn a good note tho its good that the next chapter or two is going to focus on franky and the Toy police officer and the history of DR which will be good, even tho i want to see more of cp0 which i know will be more interesting where that involves spandams farther spandine who was responsible for the murder of Robins mom and the destruction of ohara.
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This. No.
THIS!
At least in my opinion. I just don't see why Haki should break the Barrier. It's like a wall, IT'S JUST THERE. So you need force to break it. Busou can reinforce blows, so the Barrier could break when A VERY STRONG BLOW hits the Barrier. The King Punch did NOTHING, and that was a beasty punch, so one need a very strong punch to get through it. I don't see who is capable to do something like this. If one uses a Busou infused Punch, than the Damage on his own Hand wouldn't be that critical, because Busou is a Amor which also protects the body/degreased the Damage.
BUT, it could also be makeable for Luffy to break it. Because the King Punch wasn't "physical". It was no direct hit, only like a "shockwave". And we know, that non physical things, can't be reinforced with haki. Only solid things can be covered with Busou. Which could be a huge different between the King Punch and Luffy's, say, Elephant Gun. And maybe, the "huge different" is enough to break the Barrier. But the Punch would slow down, i think. -
Wonderings–
-- Perhaps the gravity-power-based admiral could take down Bart. Bart is still affected by gravity. Either being crushed down or thrown up into space (possibly the barrier with him)
-- Less likely, maybe Kizaru. Bart still sees light
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Wonderings–
-- Perhaps the gravity-power-based admiral could take down Bart.Dude, call him Fujitora, it was already confirmed.
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^They kill Bart with relative ease.
Regarding the whole Haki thing.
I think that if the Haki is strong enough they will break through Bart's barriers.Except if you think that he can block someone like Shanks or Mihawk. -
Am I an absolute dumb ass, or is Elizabello using his elbow and not his fist? 'Cause from my first read of 709, it really looked that way to me.
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The punch happened already in that picture, hes bringing it back, its just the arm covered or atleast thats how I see it.
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I think it's like a right hook. The dark part in front of the elbow is the boxing glove (arm is bent from the right hook)
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You people don't respect the king enough. His Majesty's punch was a one in a million, thing.
I dare you all to show us anything similar to it.
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THIS!
At least in my opinion. I just don't see why Haki should break the Barrier. It's like a wall, IT'S JUST THERE. So you need force to break it. Busou can reinforce blows, so the Barrier could break when A VERY STRONG BLOW hits the Barrier. The King Punch did NOTHING, and that was a beasty punch, so one need a very strong punch to get through it. I don't see who is capable to do something like this. If one uses a Busou infused Punch, than the Damage on his own Hand wouldn't be that critical, because Busou is a Amor which also protects the body/degreased the Damage.
BUT, it could also be makeable for Luffy to break it. Because the King Punch wasn't "physical". It was no direct hit, only like a "shockwave". And we know, that non physical things, can't be reinforced with haki. Only solid things can be covered with Busou. Which could be a huge different between the King Punch and Luffy's, say, Elephant Gun. And maybe, the "huge different" is enough to break the Barrier. But the Punch would slow down, i think.?
So you can use haki to grab DF users you normally can't grab, you can defend yourself against DF attacks like Law's sword attack but you can't break a barrier with haki for whatever reason? I guess Law's non-physical thing apparently does not count now, for some reason. :P
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If Luffy fights Burgess, even though Burgess is effectively The Hulk, it'd still be a ridiculous battle after Luffy defeating the effectively infinitely-strong Hody, and him being rubber. Luffy vs Bart could be interesting, but rubber punching a (let's say, unbreakable) barrier still wouldn't do anything to either and I doubt Bart could hit and/or hurt him with anything. Luffy should just break the ground and send him into the water.
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If Luffy fights Burgess, even though Burgess is effectively The Hulk, it'd still be a ridiculous battle after Luffy defeating the effectively infinitely-strong Hody, and him being rubber. Luffy vs Bart could be interesting, but rubber punching a (let's say, unbreakable) barrier still wouldn't do anything to either and I doubt Bart could hit and/or hurt him with anything. Luffy should just break the ground and send him into the water.
I just hope we actually get to see the winners of the 4 groups vs the 4 DD crew members. I want to see all those fights, and definitely Bart vs Jesus, since I am guessing winners 1 + 2 against one another and 3 + 4 against the other.
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Chapter 709 Review:
- Looks like the old woman is still kicking. Wonder if Caribou will run off or actually fight Scotch and the others?
- Hack is officially out, looks like Bartomoleo gave him a solid ass-whooping.
- Speaking of, Ricky goes down next. After that statement about hating Dolflamingo I wonder if he really is Kyros?
- Bluegilly shows off alot here, taking down most of Dagama's well-designed gladiators. Good to see Bluegilly catch on and wipe Dagama off the floor.
- Luffy cheering for Bellamy was one of the best moments this arc.
- Another great moment was the build-up for Elizabello's king punch. That guy took out everyone!
- …almost everyone.
- Bartomoleo easily takes out Elizabello claiming the block for his own and announcing the Mera Mera no Mi will go to "that person".
- Franky and Thunderous Soldier make plans to team up and assault the factory, finally giving us leeway for some Dressrosa history. Much needed since so far this is one WEIRD country.
Overall: Great chapter which wraps up Block B and opens up a few loose ends. Oda focusing on each fighter was a nice touch allowing them to make comebacks in the future. Ricky's hatred of Dolflamingo is something I hope is noted in the future along with what will happen to Bellamy. That King Punch certainly lived up to it's name, wiping out everyone in one clean blow. Bartomoleo steals the show and quickly wins the match, making us wonder who the Mera Mera will go too should he win. All I know is some much-needed Dressrosa history is coming up along with Block C, where the highlight is most definitely Luffy vs. Don Chinjao.
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@krule274:
Am I an absolute dumb ass, or is Elizabello using his elbow and not his fist? 'Cause from my first read of 709, it really looked that way to me.
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The part you labeled impact is his fist. The arrow labeled elbow is actually his wrist. It's basically a right hook.
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So you can use haki to grab DF users you normally can't grab, you can defend yourself against DF attacks like Law's sword attack but you can't break a barrier with haki for whatever reason? I guess Law's non-physical thing apparently does not count now, for some reason. :P
A barrier being a physical object…Is not like a body of a logia, you are going to need POWAA to break it. And the Punch of a king that could kill an Emperor in one blow couldn't even break Bart's barrier.
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The part you labeled impact is his fist. The arrow labeled elbow is actually his wrist. It's basically a right hook.
16 chars of thanks, man.
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Anyone else kinda wondering why blocks C and D have a "fighting bull" and "fighting lion"?
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Anyone else kinda wondering why blocks C and D have a "fighting bull" and "fighting lion"?
If Don Chinjao is under Kaidou like many have theorised, I'm guessing the Fighting Bull is a Smile DF user working alongside them.
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A barrier being a physical object…Is not like a body of a logia, you are going to need POWAA to break it. And the Punch of a king that could kill an Emperor in one blow couldn't even break Bart's barrier.
A physical object like Law's sword that can cut or not cut based on the defensive haki of others? I'm not sure what some of you need other than Oda to come out and confirm it to you, it's pretty obvious the barrier can be broken if someone's haki is overwhelmingly stronger than Barto's. That is the main purpose that haki was introduced imo, to level the playing field a bit instead of making devil fruit users (ie. not just logias) seem invincible due to their powers. The King's punch being able to KO Yonkod proves that what he said was bs and exaggerated, not the other way around. It's a very strong punch though.
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If Don Chinjao is under Kaidou like many have theorised, I'm guessing the Fighting Bull is a Smile DF user working alongside them.
I love that idea, and it would be a great way to introduce the level of power a SMILE user will have.
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@krule274:
I love that idea, and it would be a great way to introduce the level of power a SMILE user will have.
Come to think of it, how strong would one be? Kaidou has a hundred of them iirc, which in the grand scheme of armies, isn't that much, but I have no idea how strong they could be: fodder level, weakling trio level, pre-skip supernovas level …..
If that one fighting bull was a SMILE user, it would have to be at least as strong as the likes of Tank Lepanto or Hack.
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Maybe there's a Lot of Fighting bulls and lions who are all smile zoans df users that act just like the lions in the ancient Rome during the fights.
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I looking forward to reptiles and birds smiles users.
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If Don Chinjao is under Kaidou like many have theorised, I'm guessing the Fighting Bull is a Smile DF user working alongside them.
@krule274:
I love that idea, and it would be a great way to introduce the level of power a SMILE user will have.
Come to think of it, how strong would one be? Kaidou has a hundred of them iirc, which in the grand scheme of armies, isn't that much, but I have no idea how strong they could be: fodder level, weakling trio level, pre-skip supernovas level …..
If that one fighting bull was a SMILE user, it would have to be at least as strong as the likes of Tank Lepanto or Hack.
I gotta agree with krule_274_, that is an awesome idea and would be a great way to let us know how powerful they can be. I kind of imagine them being at least pacifista/demon guard level power and higher. It really depends on who/how strong the person is, really..
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Come to think of it, how strong would one be? Kaidou has a hundred of them iirc, which in the grand scheme of armies, isn't that much, but I have no idea how strong they could be: fodder level, weakling trio level, pre-skip supernovas level …..
If that one fighting bull was a SMILE user, it would have to be at least as strong as the likes of Tank Lepanto or Hack.
Actually, he has 500, which is much more than I thought it was said to be. Which also adds to my thinking process: if there are that many, is each one significantly strong or will they just be semi-fodderized?
I gotta agree with krule247, that is an awesome idea and would be a great way to let us know how powerful they can be. I kind of imagine them being at least pacifista/demon guard level power and higher. It really depends on who/how strong the person is, really..
I appreciate the support, but like I said above, with a number that large, I can't entirely see each one being of too high a level. Obviously, they have to have some power to be working for a Yonko, and like Porcelainpot said, they need to be at least on par with Lepanto or fighters of the sort. But for just the StrawHearts(at the moment, assuming they don't ally with anyone else) to be fighting a number that large is a shot in the dark. And that's not taking into account other normal crew members of Kaidou. We just really can't be sure yet.
Praise our king, First fist of the Sea, DonMarimo DoBuggino exploring Bonesbeard.
If someone seriously claimed that Whitebeard was running a vibrator business as his second job you'd ignore him as a troll.
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@krule274:
Actually, he has 500, which is much more than I thought it was said to be. Which also adds to my thinking process: if there are that many, is each one significantly strong or will they just be semi-fodderized?
I appreciate the support, but like I said above, with a number that large, I can't entirely see each one being of too high a level. Obviously, they have to have some power to be working for a Yonko, and like Porcelainpot said, they need to be at least on par with Lepanto or fighters of the sort. But for just the StrawHearts(at the moment, assuming they don't ally with anyone else) to be fighting a number that large is a shot in the dark. And that's not taking into account other normal crew members of Kaidou. We just really can't be sure yet.
I guess, but I don't really think being pacifista level is too far off when you take into consideration that we're talking about one of the Yonkou, especially since we already know that the World Government basically mass produces pacifistas.. Wouldn't it make sense if these Smile users were to combat that threat and whatever others there may be? Also, just because he has 500 doesn't necessarily mean they'll all be with him when the crew confronts him.
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any new ideas on the new chapter..? am thinking we will ship to other crew mates or have a flashback.. i just don't see block C starting right away..
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I'm hoping for a Dressrosa flashback, to be honest. It will probably be something else entirely though.
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