Fire-cutting doesn't let you hurt a fire logia user. Haki does.
Zoro could hurt MeraSanji without that technique. The point is that it would allow him cut the flames Sanji throws at him.
What will happen to the Mera Mera no Mi?
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Fire-cutting doesn't let you hurt a fire logia user. Haki does.
Zoro could hurt MeraSanji without that technique.
And where did I dispute any of this?
The point is that it would allow him cut the flames Sanji throws at him.
And my point was that this whole time, these little skirmishes between Zoro and Sanji, Zoro might or might not jokingly do it knowing Sanji can dodge, but he still slices in ways that if they landed they could hurt Sanji to some extent.
So why when 'testing' a "fire cutting ability" on some1(Sanji, same old Sanji Zoro loves getting 1+up on) now made of fire, would Zoro now be Mr. Careful and delicate and be content to just cut the flames Sanji throws at him? But and yet still not try to cut the guy himself entirely made of flames? Just doesn't make sense IMHO.And once again, didn't really mention using haki(in fact notice made a point to say above, they wouldn't be using haki, (so WT?…)).
Just see no way a fire, (no matter how 'intelligent' the fire is), does not lose to a fire cutting ability, especially when all it has to do is cut the fire to be "successful". Fire vs Water, you might sometimes get a tie like Ace's fire vs Smoker's smoke, but something basically specifically designed to win against fire, seems like a foregone conclusion already. -
I'd like to imagine that Luffy and co. will meet someone weak in the new world. Someone who tries hard, and fights for what they believe in but doesn't have the strength to back it up. In this scenario, I imagine somehow this person comes receives the Mera Mera Fruit and becomes a Logia user. I think this would balance out the weak character to a point where even though they don't have much strength, because of the Logia powers they can stand on common ground with the Straw Hats who trained for 2 years.
Just a thought.
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I'd like to imagine that Luffy and co. will meet someone weak in the new world. Someone who tries hard, and fights for what they believe in but doesn't have the strength to back it up. In this scenario, I imagine somehow this person comes receives the Mera Mera Fruit and becomes a Logia user. I think this would balance out the weak character to a point where even though they don't have much strength, because of the Logia powers they can stand on common ground with the Straw Hats who trained for 2 years.
Just a thought.
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What if Sanji refuses to eat it because he knows DFs are supposed to taste like shit.:ninja:
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I'd like to imagine that Luffy and co. will meet someone weak in the new world. Someone who tries hard, and fights for what they believe in but doesn't have the strength to back it up. In this scenario, I imagine somehow this person comes receives the Mera Mera Fruit and becomes a Logia user. I think this would balance out the weak character to a point where even though they don't have much strength, because of the Logia powers they can stand on common ground with the Straw Hats who trained for 2 years.
Just a thought.
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Whether it's Rebecca or not I kind of like this idea. Though it does seem kind of a shame to give the fruit to someone who can't really harness its full potential.
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What if Sanji refuses to eat it because he knows DFs are supposed to taste like shit.:ninja:
Sanji doesn't waste food.
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Lol I can see the Sanji being fire and Zoro able to cut fire as another level of funny moments between those two. Imagine Zoro sleeping or being clueless(like when he was carrying Tashigi), Sanji sees him n kicks bunch of fire towards Zoro and Zoro will cut it with the saying- "I will cut you too", with Sanji saying "why don't you try it? I will burn you and your swords to ashes". Man now I really want Sanji to get the fruit n Zoro learn fire cutting technic.
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Sanji doesn't waste food.
He would decline to eat it instead of wasting it. Apparently the fruit doesn't rot so they can keep it around…Also aside from Luffy (and Toriko :ninja:). I don't think we've ever seen anyone eat one fully. Well then again we haven't seen too many people eat them either. CP9 definitely didn't finish theirs.
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What if Sanji refuses to eat it because he knows DFs are supposed to taste like shit.:ninja:
Sanji will cook it so good to have taste, and like someone said before- Sanji will mistakenly taste what his cooking like the chef he is and bam he already ate the DF then going Enel's face.
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Lol I can see the Sanji being fire and Zoro able to cut fire as another level of funny moments between those two. Imagine Zoro sleeping or being clueless(like when he was carrying Tashigi), Sanji sees him n kicks bunch of fire towards Zoro and Zoro will cut it with the saying- "I will cut you too", with Sanji saying "why don't you try it? I will burn you and your swords to ashes". Man now I really want Sanji to get the fruit n Zoro learn fire cutting technic.
Sanji will cook it so good to have taste, and like someone said before- Sanji will mistakenly taste what his cooking like the chef he is and bam he already ate the DF then going Enel's face.
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It ain't even my prediction.. Lol this dude seems really pissed off when someone suggest Sqnji eating it.
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I disliked it when people act like retards. And I shouldn't have expected something from you other than "lol u mad bro".
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It ain't even my prediction.. Lol this dude seems really pissed off when someone suggest Sqnji eating it.
He can't defend his position or discuss it , he has no form of comprehension and can't seem to articulate his standpoint at all.
So option one call people retards.
Option two is Gifs galore.
Wild card option , link someone elses shit.
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Sanji cleared out that he is not interesting for devil fruits except from this Absalom has. So i don't think he will want to eat Mera Mera. Also if he eats it he will surpass Zoro in strength.
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You guys are seriously overrating the shit out of this fruit if you think Sanji will just eat it and them Boom!, Zoro = fodder.
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You guys are seriously overrating the shit out of this fruit if you think Sanji will just eat it and them Boom!, Zoro = fodder.
Well now (and from the beggining of One Piece) Zoro and Sanji seems to be equal in strength with Zoro a little stronger. Do you think that if Sanji eats a strong Logia fruit the balance between them will not change;
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Well now (and from the beggining of One Piece) Zoro and Sanji seems to be equal in strength with Zoro a little stronger. Do you think that if Sanji eats a strong Logia fruit the balance between them will not change;
Busoshoku Haki.
If Sanji eats the fruit he'll have a learning curve and even then Zoro has always stayed close to Luffy in strength, so I'm not worried.
This is Oda we're talking about here.
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Well now (and from the beggining of One Piece) Zoro and Sanji seems to be equal in strength with Zoro a little stronger. Do you think that if Sanji eats a strong Logia fruit the balance between them will not change;
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1-Personal belief. It isn't a fact at apforums
2- Well not really. At best it gives Sanji diversity but not strength. Touching logia is common thing now.Yeah that's one of my issues with giving an already strong established fighter a logia fruit. The majority of big bads we come across can use haki and logias aren't as much of a challenge as they were in the first half of the story. I can't really see how it's going to make too much of a difference in how fights play out at this point. A leg up on fodder maybe? But Sanji has no problems with that anyways.
Sanji only uses his legs to fight (minus the one rare time of using knives). What good would being a logia do for that? It's a waste really. Also if you spend half your life getting used to particular sensation, like what a solid kick feels like…I can imagine that having the intangibility (mushy feeling?) of fire moving over an opponent would be very disorienting. Then there's the learning to control yourself so that you don't spread fires randomly. God forbid that fire get near the mikan trees...and grass deck, everything flammable and valuable. There's no way Zoro and Sanji still won't fight and cause damage. Now add real fire to their normal squabbles? Do we really need another training arc just for Sanji to learn to be zen on how to not lose his temper with his crew doing dumb things?
Anyways I feel that Sanji is getting under estimated lately and that people think being a logia would help with this because...one time he had a bit of trouble? It's silly. He's insanely strong. The logia should go to someone else who would fully benefit from it. Not get a minor power up. Or rather the ability to not have to always dodge...
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Yeah - can't see anyone on the crew eating it. Just wouldn't feel right.
I could see Coby eating it though - something has to happen to make him a credible tough guy and there are three marine battleships on the way to the island which would be one way of getting him into the arc. Plus I can imagine Luffy would be quite cool with that outcome.
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Seems the general consensus is Sanji is already strong enough without the Logia and him eating the fruit will make him stronger than Zoro.
Coby being a more viable option than Sanji is something i'll never understand.
Yeah that's one of my issues with giving an already strong established fighter a logia fruit. The majority of big bads we come across can use haki and logias aren't as much of a challenge as they were in the first half of the story. I can't really see how it's going to make too much of a difference in how fights play out at this point. A leg up on fodder maybe? But Sanji has no problems with that anyways.
Sanji only uses his legs to fight (minus the one rare time of using knives). What good would being a logia do for that? It's a waste really. Also if you spend half your life getting used to particular sensation, like what a solid kick feels like…I can imagine that having the intangibility (mushy feeling?) of fire moving over an opponent would be very disorienting. Then there's the learning to control yourself so that you don't spread fires randomly. God forbid that fire get near the mikan trees...and grass deck, everything flammable and valuable. There's no way Zoro and Sanji still won't fight and cause damage. Now add real fire to their normal squabbles? Do we really need another training arc just for Sanji to learn to be zen on how to not lose his temper with his crew doing dumb things?
Anyways I feel that Sanji is getting under estimated lately and that people think being a logia would help with this because...one time he had a bit of trouble? It's silly. He's insanely strong. The logia should go to someone else who would fully benefit from it. Not get a minor power up. Or rather the ability to not have to always dodge...
Answer me this , does Sanji not use fire to give his kicks more power?
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Answer me this , does Sanji not use fire to give his kicks more power?
Of course, but isn't adding fire to someone who starts fire redundant?
Successful negro doesn't need a signature.
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Of course, but isn't adding fire to someone who starts fire redundant?
Not if there is a limit to how much he can generate.
What if lets say the level of flames in Hell Memories isn't enough to take down an opponent, He would have to go beyond
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Seems the general consensus is Sanji is already strong enough without the Logia and him eating the fruit will make him stronger than Zoro.
Coby being a more viable option than Sanji is something i'll never understand.
Answer me this , does Sanji not use fire to give his kicks more power?
Yeah? But if he can already utilize without needing the devil fruit, why pile it on? It doesn't give him much of a benefit and makes him a hammer for something he can basically already do.
I just don't see it having more pros than cons for him.
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Yeah? But if he can already utilize without needing the devil fruit, why pile it on? It doesn't give him much of a benefit and makes him a hammer for something he can basically already do.
I just don't see it having more pros than cons for him.
Yea I see where you're coming from , just personally it will always bug me that Sanji is the only person capable of generating fire from his body without a fruit.
If people are ok with that then I guess it doesn't matter either way.
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Yea I see where you're coming from , just personally it will always bug me that Sanji is the only person capable of generating fire from his body without a fruit.
If people are ok with that then I guess it doesn't matter either way.
I'm just bothered that it doesn't burn his clothes lol. But it would be a bit too much to have DFs and other odd abilities effect clothing. Just a Hulk's pants scenario.
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SOO. You guys 100% believe that Sanji's fighting style will be all about fires now?
I mean, did he even show any sort of an Okama technique or whatever?
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SOO. You guys 100% believe that Sanji's fighting style will be all about fires now?
I mean, did he even show any sort of an Okama technique or whatever?I was under the impression he really wanted to learn the cooking from them not fighting. Which he used at the end of PH. Sanji is a chef first, fighter second, fighting really isn't his main priority.
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That'd make it hard to explain how he learned to use CoA Haki so effectively.
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That'd make it hard to explain how he learned to use CoA Haki so effectively.
That's easy, he doesn't want (and the rest of the strawhats) that what happened in sabaody to hapening again.
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That'd make it hard to explain how he learned to use CoA Haki so effectively.
Well he also fending off the Okamas daily for a couple years and then learning stuff from Ivankov I thought. I was just under the impression it wasn't his main focus. He ran around and avoided them as part of the condition for learning the cooking. Of course I'd have to double check, but I don't remember what chapter that was.
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That's easy, he doesn't want (and the rest of the strawhats) that what happened in sabaody to hapening again.
Basically why the entire Straw Hat crew trained by themselves for two years anyway; doesn't exactly explain how he developed the actual technique so well or who taught it to him.
@Cyclone_Baroness:Well he also fending off the Okamas daily for a couple years and then learning stuff from Ivankov I thought. I was just under the impression it wasn't his main focus. He ran around and avoided them as part of the condition for learning the cooking. Of course I'd have to double check, but I don't remember what chapter that was.
No, the recipes were; but everyone's main goal in general during the two year timeskip was to become stronger for Luffy.
Sanji's smart enough that he'd understand learning a lot of hax0r recipes isn't going to do the trick.
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CoA arms + Gear 2 steam isn't a good enough explanation for the ignition of his arm?
How does Sanji catch fire exactly?
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Basically why the entire Straw Hat crew trained by themselves for two years anyway; doesn't exactly explain how he developed the actual technique so well or who taught it to him.
No, the recipes were; but everyone's main goal in general during the two year timeskip was to become stronger for Luffy.
Sanji's smart enough that he'd understand learning a lot of hax0r recipes isn't going to do the trick.
So we are going to ignore his profession on the ship? Whether you like it or not Sanji's focus was undoubtedly not just cooking but it was huge part of it…. because that's his job on the ship not a fighter.
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CoA arms + Gear 2 steam isn't a good enough explanation for the ignition of his arm?
How does Sanji catch fire exactly?
Fiery passion. -w- Gear 2 has never warmed Luffy up to the point of fire, and how exactly does COA improve ignition of an object? Especially underwater. I dunno if either of them were skills meant to be analyzed really. Pearl, the guy Sanji fought on the baratie could set himself on fire too (through striking his pearls, so it made a bit more sense) however he was pretty unaffected by fire too. I don't think it's so weird that Sanji could do it.
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Fiery passion. -w- Gear 2 has never warmed Luffy up to the point of fire, and how exactly does COA improve ignition of an object? Especially underwater. I dunno if either of them were skills meant to be analyzed really. Pearl, the guy Sanji fought on the baratie could set himself on fire too (through striking his pearls, so it made a bit more sense) however he was pretty unaffected by fire too. I don't think it's so weird that Sanji could do it.
Even so with Luffy and Pearl there is obviously a action–--->reaction, not so much with Sanji, [[even with DJ,no spin PTS]] I couldn't begin to tell you how Luffy ignites his arm through gear 2 + CoA haki , just like I couldn't explain to you how Jinbe punches the water vapor to extend his reach , but he does and it's explained with clear in universe logic just like Luffy's was displayed.
This is just my personal opinion but "I'm mad" shouldn't qualify for an ignition of flames.
Also like Cyclone mentioned , Sanji's clothes don't even burn, similar to a Devil Fruit users.
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So we are going to ignore his profession on the ship? Whether you like it or not Sanji's focus was undoubtedly not just cooking but it was huge part of it…. because that's his job on the ship not a fighter.
99 newkama recipes totally helped him vs Vergo there, huh? Cooking by itself won't make Sanji stronger for Luffy. Sanji learning 99 newkama recipes will make entire crew stronger, but it wouldn't account at all on terms of Sanji's personal combat prowess, and thats something he needs badly in NW.
Luffy's job is Captain, not a fighter.
Chopper's job is Doctor, not a fighter.
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Even so with Luffy and Pearl there is obviously a action–--->reaction, not so much with Sanji, [[even with DJ,no spin PTS]] I couldn't begin to tell you how Luffy ignites his arm through gear 2 + CoA haki , just like I couldn't explain to you how Jinbe punches the water vapor to extend his reach , but he does and it's explained with clear in universe logic just like Luffy's was displayed.
This is just my personal opinion but "I'm mad" shouldn't qualify for an ignition of flames.
Also like Cyclone mentioned , Sanji's clothes don't even burn, similar to a Devil Fruit users.
Exactly, it doesn't make sense because it doesn't need to. It's just how the stuff works in universe. Sanji started Diable Jambe spinning. And the anime still (mistakenly most likely) has sanji spin before it, but really I can accept spirit as an explanation for it as much as anything else. How does Zoro grow extra arms and heads with Asura? In the OP world it's just a fact that people CAN do things like that through spirit alone. Heck if anything it's meant to make Sanji seem more impressive, not undermine the Mera Mera.
As for the clothes thing, well Oda himself explained that for DF users, i'd imagine it's the same for Sanji. Not really a thing that needs to be looked into I don't think.
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99 newkama recipes totally helped him vs Vergo there, huh? Cooking by itself won't make Sanji stronger for Luffy. Sanji learning 99 newkama recipes will make entire crew stronger, but it wouldn't account at all on terms of Sanji's personal combat prowess, and thats something he needs badly in NW.
Luffy's job is Captain, not a fighter.
Chopper's job is Doctor, not a fighter.
Franky…..well, you can see where I'm going with this.It doesn't really matter whether those recipes are going to help him or not, ignoring his profession because you rather he be "fighting" is wrong because his profession is cooking.
Does Luffy even do his Captain work? Other than destinations?
IIRC I saw Chopper wanted to learn about some medicine so he's doing his profession.
IIRC Franky was inventing things as what he is ought to do, he's the shipwright/engineer.
Sanji is the cook, which means he should be more focused cooking and not fighting so claiming he's more focused on fighting because you want him to is wrong.
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It doesn't really matter whether those recipes are going to help him or not, ignoring his profession because you rather he be "fighting" is wrong because his profession is cooking.
Does Luffy even do his Captain work? Other than destinations?
IIRC I saw Chopper wanted to learn about some medicine so he's doing his profession.
IIRC Franky was inventing things as what he is ought to do, he's the shipwright/engineer.
Sanji is the cook, which means he should be more focused cooking and not fighting so claiming he's more focused on fighting because you want him to is wrong.
…what does any of that have to do with their desire to become stronger, in terms of combat prowess, for Luffy?
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…what does any of that have to do with their desire to become stronger, in terms of combat prowess, for Luffy?
You said he should be smart enough to know recipes can't help Luffy when his role is cooking not fighting. You can't throw out his profession just because you rather he be more focused on fighting.
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You said he should be smart enough to know recipes can't help Luffy when his role is cooking not fighting. You can't throw out his profession just because you rather he be more focused on fighting.
Ok I really thought Zoro hammered this point home pretty clearly with the confrontation between him and Mihawk just before the TS.
The point of them training is so they are becoming stronger individually (in combat) is not for their own sake, but for Luffy's. Their professions and trades do have a significant thematic impact to each SH's training, but that is the overall goal over the TS.
Sanjis happens to come back with a whole bunch of body hax0ring recipes as part of his cook theme, which are powerful in their own right, but it doesn't augment his individual combat strength. He gets mad at the thought and turns on fire easier, but otherwise so far we haven't seen a lot of influence from Newkamas in his actual fighting.
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we haven't seen a lot of influence from Newkamas in his actual fighting.
Uuuhh … how about the fact that running and fighting for two years straight made his legs so powerful he can walk on air?
Seriously, there is some massive collective amnesia going on in this thread. Or people just really hate Sanji.
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Uuuhh … how about the fact that running and fighting for two years straight made his legs so powerful he can walk on air?
Seriously, there is some massive collective amnesia going on in this thread. Or people just really hate Sanji.
I'll throw Geppo/Blue Walk then with the lot if that'll make you happier.
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I'll throw Geppo/Blue Walk then with the lot if that'll make you happier.
What about being strong enough to kick around a giant fishmen several times Oz's size with hardly any effort?
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What about being strong enough to kick around a giant fishmen several times Oz's size with hardly any effort?
Wasn't that Hell Memories? I thought I covered that with the whole bursting into flames and getting pissed part.
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What about being strong enough to kick around a giant fishmen several times Oz's size with hardly any effort?
LOL, he wasn't THAT big!
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