I almost feel bad for little Todd, I mean, Red. xD He plays one role and then he's got nothing.
… oh, well, sucks for him~
I almost feel bad for little Todd, I mean, Red. xD He plays one role and then he's got nothing.
… oh, well, sucks for him~
Well, I feel really bad for what I plan for him. I can't wait to get there.
Oooh~ Now you've got me curious. o:
New comix.
Syn and Leo. I missed you two. Todd was getting on my nerves.
(Also, since I only bought this up on DA. Instead of a solid 2 pages a week, I'm changing it to 1-2 a week. This week I release one. )
Syn has a curse of attracting strange and weird people.
Definitely gonna' be a problem when she reaches that dating age.
I realized that all my characters are weird in some way or another. Cept for Richter. He's the closest to normal I can get. And Dab… Which does not make an appearance till later.
Weird characters are more interesting though~
True, but Im wondering if adding a bit of normal would in some way… balance the cast. I know people that find weirdness a turn off, but then agian... What's the point of satisfying a few bad leaves.
Just do what you wanna do, Hiroy. It woudn't be your story if you changed it around trying to appease those who didn't like it in the first place. o:
@Sai-Sai:
Just do what you wanna do, Hiroy. It woudn't be your story if you changed it around trying to appease those who didn't like it in the first place. o:
(First and foremost, ignore my avatar and signature set. I have shitty friends.)
Though I agree with you to some extent, what you're saying isn't entirely true. I don't approve of selling out but knowing your audience and writing in such a way that many people can enjoy it is part of the writing process. It's not even really a matter of opinion, your English teachers hammer this into your head and if they don't, then professional writers or editors will. Changing the story to accommodate readers doesn't necessarily mean that the actual story or spirit of the story itself changes, but rather it becomes more accessible to the audience.
That said, there's a plenty thin line between knowing your audience and catering to their every word.
… I can't ignore your avvie and sig. I just can't. o3o /stare
I see what you're saying Kenny. But there is a big difference between appeasing discontent readers and helping to make the story more accessible. ... or maybe it's just me. lol But I understand what you mean~
Yeah, that's what I meant. Initially I rewrote several sections in this arc due to the positive reaction I got from the first arc. I also toned down several character traits, whilst making certain ones more apparent. Like Syn's topics on sexism. This was originally supposed to be her prominent trait, but I thought it would have worked better if it were one of those things she would bring up in class, or in an event in where others are forced to listen to what she has to say. It's one of those things I learned upon making the pilot(prototype).
Then there's the supporting cast that's going to appear later. I noticed Liu was really plain in the pilot and only seemed to respond to situations, rather them making her own. This was a problem because this meant I would not have the motivation to draw her in frequent panels… Then I watched Baccano! and came up with a trait that I though would be pretty cool. Strange how characters can work.
And Leo. Hahah. He was a boring guy at first. All he had was a design and an onmimous quiet personality. He didn't seem to make situations his own either... I guess all the weirdness comes from me wanting to avoid the "reaction-type" characters. I didn't want my readers or me to get bored.
… I can't ignore your avvie and sig. I just can't. o3o /stare
I see what you're saying Kenny. But there is a big difference between appeasing discontent readers and helping to make the story more accessible. ... or maybe it's just me. lol But I understand what you mean~
Actually, I think the two concepts you're mixing up is appeasing readers and accommodating readers. In one instance, you're purely giving out anything that's asked of you, dismissing your own ideas entirely and essentially losing the spirit of your work because you're so willing to compromise. In the other instance, you're modifying the work in order to be more accessible to the reader, not losing the spirit of it because it's still the same, albeit in a format that's more enjoyable by everyone.
They're easy enough to believe they're the same but there are major differences. Let's say for instance, the person changes something that was inconsequential to them from the start but others complained about it. That would be simply accommodating the reader. Also in this instance, the writer may not have all their ideas on paper at that point and might want to experiment or search for ideas. The spirit of the work is what the writer is not willing to compromise on. So though modifications are made, rather than it taking away from its spirit, it may in fact contribute to it. Since it would be involved in areas that were previously inconsequential, those things could actually become significant.
In the other instance, you're simply appeasing the readers at every angle, not holding on to any of your own ideas at all. This willingness to throw away concepts that you'd normally wouldn't want to, that is shameful and that's when your work isn't your own anymore. This is also why I hate people that sell out. Ideally, the writing experience should be about bringing your ideas to the reader and having them share in your love for the story, in your love for its spirit. Once you sell out, that work becomes shallow and soulless.
That said, I believe Hiroy is of the former, and is simply accommodating his readers and himself. Writing is a process that involves a lot of experimentation. Just as I'm sure art is too.
@Hiroy: Oh, and sorry for uh… kinda just rambling on about something irrelevant in your thread here.
I welcome chatter in this thread Ken. Me and Sai tend to do so alot anyways, so no apologies needed.
But yeah. There was this (crappy) comic I did for a group of friends on Gaiaonline(yearzago) with characters that were based off these said friends and other people that were in our guild. The idea was well liked until it came to moments in where I added in characters out of sheer pity. Some people begged and hoped to be included, and when they did… they demanded spotlight or moments like the main characters. From there I reworked the new story threads and thought it was decent until I realized how overwhelmed I was. With each new inclusion, I felt as if people didn't care much for story anymore but more seeing themselves crapilly rendered. Heck, some even complained even when I gave them spotlight. Others complained they their roles wasn't "badass enough", or was too "comic-relief"(which was used to balance off the cast and avoid similar archetypes anyway).
After some drama, I announced to cancel it as the ending was nowhere in sight. I wanted to focus on creating things for myself while others get enjoyment out of it too. Heck, I avoid the tempation to add my current friends as even background characters in my own story. I'm just afraid that they would be more inclined to see those, and not the intended motivation behind the idea. It's a nasty trap and I've seen in come into play, even here on AP(not pointing fingers and I don't suggest finger pointing either... it's just an observation).
Look what came in the mail today.
Aaaww! Syn looks so cute. <3
Yeah. My sis was drollin over it. I just suffered from deep toothed cavities and had all teeth removed. It's was really fun seeing Syn in Waitt style.
Anyway. Quick OP doodle. I never drew anything OP related in a while… unless you count the OtoBuggy campaigns.
Aaawww. I always love Robin/Nami friendship stuff. There's too little of it around. Also, good job on the shiny leather/whateverthatclothis on Robin. I can never do that.
Wow, Syn's been in quite a few artstyles so far. Mine, WAITT's, your sister's… ;)
And my friend that goes my the nickname Syn. That's about 4 styles I have seen her in. I'm also waiting for Chrisse's.
You lucky little dog you. lol It's awesome that you've gotten so much fanart for this!
Yeah. Some were requests, but I would not request "anyone" to draw a character of mine unless he or she knows the character. It's kinda like… Picking the right people for the job.
I see~ That's rather considerate of you. o:
Though, I feel the same way about my little quartet. Although, to be honest, I've only had two people draw fanart of them, you included. xD
Things are always fun while they are small. Especially starting out in anything related to art. You spoiled me and with that I'm happy enough to know and draw your characters as well.
True~ and once it gets out of proportion, it all just goes to hell. lol
I don't think I've done that much. I just like making my friends happy~ it's very sweet of you to say that though. And again, thank you for the fanart! <3 It always makes me happy to see it~
No problem friend. And thank you.
I'm doing more fanarts… No more OP tho (I don't want to sell out this thread's purpose for a few more empty hack commentators). Got any requests in mind incase I have extra time?
You're welcome~
Hmm. Not any in particular. Only thing that comes to mind is more fanart of the quartet… but that's up to you~
Pick one or two :)
Jiyu and Aza~ or just Jiyu.
You got it. I'll see about it after I'm done with these other two doodles. If not, I'll still have the request on queued for this week.
Alrighty then~ c: Thank you~
Also, did you know I'm following you on tumblr? lol
You got a tumblr now? Pimpin. Follows my 10th follower back
Just about an hour ago, lol.
That's 8 more than I have~
Look what the tiger dragged in. An unexpected gift from my main partner in crime, tigerlilly. This is the first time I have seen Evi fully colored. I assisted her with picking the colors for her hair and eyes(and also Leo's attire), but it's cool seeing it done before I ever did @_@ Thank you very much again if you are reading this.. you lurking tiger.
All this Syn love is just awesome.~
And I'm adoring that OP pic.
Good stuff, Hiroy~
Thanks Kit.
That is an awesome picture.
So that's Evi's colorscheme. o: Nice pic! Tiger did a great job. <3 I especially love Leo's 'omgomgomg'-ness.
Indeed fellas. Lilly is probably the first open Evi fan too. Well, one that actually commends her bad deeds. Which is no surprise to me :)
I really gotta buy ink for this printer. Started a scrapbook for my best memories recently.
Evi is the best character, in my objective opinion
Yes Evi for life! MUAHAHAHAH :devil:
I'm really glad you like it, man!
Cool to see you got yourself a WAITT comic! It's probably another experience to actually hold the comic in your hands and read it!
Also awesome to see Syn in e1n's style!
I "may" be starting a traveling sketchbook for friends lilly. If mailing to your country is ever option and you are interested, I may buy and mail some of my comics for you too 4 keeps ;) Just to give you that feeling of actually owning one. This is just and idea at this point. Who knows where it can go.
Lilly made me dig out of old sketches to finish this up.
Progess shots if anyones wants to see
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Oooh~ cool. <3
I like Evi's colors~ All the character's colors are very original.
I read your comment on tumblr. Yeah. Leo does look crazier than normal. It's based off an older sketches afterall. I didn't feel like changing too much. In fact, I drew this right after you made me your first Syn sketch some time ago. I wanted to see how it would look like if I attempted the actual-age size.
Wow, that's quite a bit ago. o:
I thought that they looked taller… huh. I think you did a pretty nice job, considering how much more you're used to drawing chibis. Good job~
:D Thanks, and goodnight.
Going upload this to DA than actually go to bed this time. I passed out on my chair the last couple of times ._.
Jesus, you passed out?! Get to bed already you little demon child monster! /motherly side
… and you're welcome~
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Lilly made me dig out of old sketches to finish this up.
Progess shots if anyones wants to see
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That's some great work, Hiroy!
Leo's expression somehow makes me lol
and Evi is as polite as ever, isn't she! Hahah
Loving her official colour scheme right here!
Also I'm a sucker for progress pics, so it's always nice to see that.
And I actually DID make you dig out those sketches?
YES! At last!!! I am useful for something!
I "may" be starting a traveling sketchbook for friends lilly. If mailing to your country is ever option and you are interested, I may buy and mail some of my comics for you too 4 keeps ;) Just to give you that feeling of actually owning one. This is just and idea at this point. Who knows where it can go.
NGHHHHHH This would make me EXTREMELY happy. If you ever stick to that idea, please don't forget me! Getting a real comic from a friend to hold in my paws would probably make my year!
Also, Hiroy, dude…Stop passing out and do what Sai-chan says, ok? Hahaha
Nice avvie, Hiroy~ ;)
Also, stop staying up so long. I mean, jesus.
That's some great work, Hiroy!
Leo's expression somehow makes me lol
and Evi is as polite as ever, isn't she! Hahah
Loving her official colour scheme right here!
Also I'm a sucker for progress pics, so it's always nice to see that.And I actually DID make you dig out those sketches?
YES! At last!!! I am useful for something!NGHHHHHH This would make me EXTREMELY happy. If you ever stick to that idea, please don't forget me! Getting a real comic from a friend to hold in my paws would probably make my year!
Also, Hiroy, dude…Stop passing out and do what Sai-chan says, ok? Hahaha
Aw! Thanks. Evi is more smug than polite, but polite works too.
And.. you? useless? Who told you this? If I find out who, I'll go slip on my mobster suit, arm myself with an iron pipe and then proceed to make that person regret his words. If it's a girl, I'd just write a troll letter :D
And your comment encourages me to get this sketchbook project started this year. Making your year seems like a great reward.
Nice avvie, Hiroy~ ;)
Also, stop staying up so long. I mean, jesus.
It's only PM here gurl. Whatchutakinbout?