So I guess he's planning on ending the manga before the anime ends
Attack on Titan: Why Genocide Is Sometimes Kind of Okay
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So I guess he's planning on ending the manga before the anime ends
They'll probably do something similar to Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood, where the anime began before the manga ended, but both the anime and manga wrapped up around the same time (the final chapter was released on June 11, 2010 and the last episode of Brotherhood aired on July 4th, 2010).
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Do they know the end in advance or is the anime having an original ending? I know the manga is on it's final phase, but it doesn't seem to be ending before at least one more volume.
Season 3 consisted of two parts. I don't know if this has been said, but they could do something similar here.
It would be really stupid to go for an original ending.
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! Double suicide saves the day.
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I was re-watching the first season and I have to ask,
WHY didn't the titan that ate Eren in the beggining not gain the Attack titan power.
We know that Historia's girlfriend(i forget her name) gained powers after being a mindless titan and accidently eating the jaw titan holder.
So why didn't the same thing happen with Eren?
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Eren was eaten whole after his leg got bit off and didn't actually die inside the titan. Had he gotten killed by it then yes the titan that ate Eren would've reverted to human and been a shifter.
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Eren was eaten whole after his leg got bit off and didn't actually die inside the titan. Had he gotten killed by it then yes the titan that ate Eren would've reverted to human and been a shifter.
Ah, that makes a lot of sense.
But I also understand that there is a plot whole because Eren should have shifted when he got his leg bit off.
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The Titan juice is in the spine, no terrifying crunch, no transformation. No answer on why he didn’t transform at first trauma tho, he did get beat up a lot during the timeskip and didn’t transform until then.
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Point of no return
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Someday
I swear, some fucking day, i will understand what i was reading today, lolz.
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Hold on, did that confirm that Eren is the father of Historia's baby?
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It gets more fucked up every chapter.
Hold on, did that confirm that Eren is the father of Historia's baby?
That's what I'm wondering.
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Hold on, did that confirm that Eren is the father of Historia's baby?
no
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Oh Eren, I remember when I defended you as an ok MC when you where spouting hatred on only Bert and Reiner back then in the trees. I didn't saw the signs. Kill all titans haha…
HeartofDarkness was right all along about you being shitty.
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It's also a really sad shitty because this is Eren basically drowning in his own lies.
He wasn't actually always like this. Yes, wanting to free everyone, sure, but not to the extent of involving innocent people and victims.
It's a twisted version of his initial goal because of all the shit he has seen.
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I think Eren is victim of conditions… he is batsh*t insane now and too far gone for any kind of salvation, but I think its not really Erens own fault. It's just that he has been through SO much shit, he has been broken and shattered mentally multiple times. Eren is tragic figure that has suffered mentally so much that he has lost his humanity, he must be killed for death is only way he can be at peace.
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And now Armin, bearing the weapon that started this mess, the colossal titan, must end it.
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I can't help, but be in awe that all that is happening is because one sole slave let the pigs escape.
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Someone else would have found the inmortal giant prehistoric worm with the power to turn calories or sunlight into giant bodies, that somehow jump into other bodies if the user is killed in any other way than canibalism.
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I can't help, but be in awe that all that is happening is because one sole slave let the pigs escape.
Butterfly effect, man.
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You know if we really stick with this and don't have Eren make another turnaround to make him heroic again I have to say hats off to Isayama because apparantly we've been reading a villains origin story all along. From the top of my head I cannot remember any other manga that did a thing like this.
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If Titans can swim and have giant lungs
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You know if we really stick with this and don't have Eren make another turnaround to make him heroic again I have to say hats off to Isayama because apparantly we've been reading a villains origin story all along. From the top of my head I cannot remember any other manga that did a thing like this.
Nice post, agreed.
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Hold on, did that confirm that Eren is the father of Historia's baby?
No.I hope he won't be a child's father except Mikasa's child.
But it seems,Route is so bad for Eren x Mikasa or Good Ending.Isayama will make last surprise for us and we'll cry
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I still think Eren is trying to be the new
! Lelouche Turning himself into a villain to unite former enemies against him and forge a new peaceful world by dying alongside the war itself. Just my 2 cents.
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How Historia has been handled has been kind of terrible to me.
Her whole thing was about breaking the cycle the Reiss family was prepetuating by defying her father, but now she goes and helps it along anyway?
It makes no sense regarding her character arc and the themes/ideas of the story.
It's not even important to the plot anymore. She could've just ran away and hid and the result would be the same as it is now.
The only way for this to work and keep to Historia's arc is for the pregnancy to be a mislead.
Add to that, Historia seemingly also knew about Eren's plan and seemingly did nothing to stop it.
Again, unless there is something else going on entirely, this also makes no sense regarding Historia. She's not okay with genocide.
Luckily I think there's a pretty big chance it's a mislead. It's been sort of unclear what's going on with her for quite a while.
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Should i expect some keikaku doori scene?
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Idk, but everything with Historia has been really off to me.
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How Historia has been handled has been kind of terrible to me.
Her whole thing was about breaking the cycle the Reiss family was prepetuating by defying her father, but now she goes and helps it along anyway?
It makes no sense regarding her character arc and the themes/ideas of the story.
It's not even important to the plot anymore. She could've just ran away and hid and the result would be the same as it is now.
The only way for this to work and keep to Historia's arc is for the pregnancy to be a mislead.
Add to that, Historia seemingly also knew about Eren's plan and seemingly did nothing to stop it.
Again, unless there is something else going on entirely, this also makes no sense regarding Historia. She's not okay with genocide.
Luckily I think there's a pretty big chance it's a mislead. It's been sort of unclear what's going on with her for quite a while.
Historia’s baby = Ymir, from thousands of years ago
Slave-girl Ymir, therefore is Eren’s daughter
We’re in a time loop and her daddy set the pigs free
When Eren hugged Ymir and “set her free,” her terrified expression came from the awareness that her hell will never end
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this chapter was perfect, it has everything i wanted for the rumbling, really shows how much of a pathetic coward eren is.
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Yup, like Hitler, saw the hell that was WW1 and puts every human possible into the same hell, if not worse.
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TFW when you're so disappointed with the world you decide to genocide it.
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Armin was always the true MC since Eren died in the first arc.
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this chapter was perfect, it has everything i wanted for the rumbling, really shows how much of a pathetic coward eren is.
Now that's a hot take, it would be nice to have an elaboration to better understand that line of thinking
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Now that's a hot take, it would be nice to have an elaboration to better understand that line of thinking
he chose the easy path of full genocide, instead of trying to find another solution because he's too afraid of loosing his friends and his freedom.
him crying and looking regretful in this chapter is like those war criminals who return home to write books and make movies about how massacring civilians made them feel sad. eren shouldn't be viewed as a victim when he's murdering billions of innocent people. -
Some interesting points from r/manga
Nah dog this chapter just further proves that Erens suffering from Predestination and realizes he can’t change the future he saw. He sees Ramsey getting beat up just like In his memories, at first chooses to act on it because that’s what he wants, then turns his back because he says it doesn’t matter as the kid will die anyways and it’s pathetic to try acting kind when he’s about to commit a horrible act later. But No later does it show in the end Eren ends up helping the kid anyways.Also Eren did hesitate, he at one point does agree with the First king in the walls suicide idea and how morally letting the eldians die out is the better thing to do, he just comes to the conclusion again that it’s not something he will just accept.
Predestination is definitely haunting Eren and he did try looking for some other way (For 4 years in fact), it kinda brings it back around this chapter with after saving the Fez kid and bringing him back to the camp Mikasa shows up and it seemed clear to me Eren knew how the conversation would play out but was hoping it would be different, because if it was different then the future he saw wouldn’t be pre determined.It also recontextualizes his reaction to Sasha's death, he wasn't just crying due to a friend dying, he knew her death was coming and how she was gonna die and that made realize everything he saw is destined to happen.
He asked. What were her last words. Laughed at the answer because he realized "yep… Just like in the vision"
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if that's true and eren knows the entire future down to the tiny details that kinda ruins the entire story so i reject that theory on a meta-level. i think he only saw the "scenery" of the destruction caused by the rumbling and convinced himself that it's the only way.
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I think that is the most possible outcome, the Paths showed him the outcome of the rumbling and events as Sasha’s death only served to cement to himself that, that path was unavoidable.
He resigned fighting for the better a choose a cheap way out.
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I mean, I won't exactly call him a coward.
Being in his shoes is insane. There's no right choice. Between the entire world trying to end him and his friends, his own country considering to kill themselves, getting memory fucked and on top of all that Paths which has proven itself to always be right 100% of the time?
Guy has little to no space to navigate.
He might have just genocide the world but I can kind of see where he is coming from.
Rather than cowardice, I just feel like it is human arrogance and that has largely to do with his circumstances.
Playing a god like figure and choosing to reset the world in his own view because he views it as the right choice.
The closest middle ground we would get if Eren decides to use the titans for the good of all humankind but that would require the world to trust the Eldians and that's a whole bag of problems. There's also not enough time to work through that list of problems.Also although I get the hitler parallel, I don't fully agree because hitler was drunk on power and was a bigoted racist prick.
He could become a shitty artist but his friends and family likely won't get murdered by the world because he rambles on when he was half drunk.
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I mean, I won't exactly call him a coward.
Being in his shoes is insane. There's no right choice. Between the entire world trying to end him and his friends, his own country considering to kill themselves, getting memory fucked and on top of all that Paths which has proven itself to always be right 100% of the time?
Guy has little to no space to navigate.
He might have just genocide the world but I can kind of see where he is coming from.
Rather than cowardice, I just feel like it is human arrogance and that has largely to do with his circumstances.
Playing a god like figure and choosing to reset the world in his own view because he views it as the right choice.
The closest middle ground we would get if Eren decides to use the titans for the good of all humankind but that would require the world to trust the Eldians and that's a whole bag of problems. There's also not enough time to work through that list of problems.Also although I get the hitler parallel, I don't fully agree because hitler was drunk on power and was a bigoted racist prick.
He could become a shitty artist but his friends and family likely won't get murdered by the world because he rambles on when he was half drunk.
Eren and co had no choice.This is a good post and sums my own thoughts nicely as well. Eren's tale in whole series has been ultimately a tragedy. I disliked Eren at begin of series, but he grown up to me when series progressed, though he never was my favorite character his character growth was exceptional through the series, although ultimately he didn't grow up a saviour… but rather destroyer. I don't know if Eren would even had much choice since he was molded by all the events that was bestowed on him.
I think best thing to happen to Eren is simply peace upon death. I simply cannot fathom any salvation for someone as utterly broken and shattered character as Eren.
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I mean, I won't exactly call him a coward.
Being in his shoes is insane. There's no right choice. Between the entire world trying to end him and his friends, his own country considering to kill themselves, getting memory fucked and on top of all that Paths which has proven itself to always be right 100% of the time?
Guy has little to no space to navigate.
He might have just genocide the world but I can kind of see where he is coming from.
Rather than cowardice, I just feel like it is human arrogance and that has largely to do with his circumstances.
Playing a god like figure and choosing to reset the world in his own view because he views it as the right choice.
The closest middle ground we would get if Eren decides to use the titans for the good of all humankind but that would require the world to trust the Eldians and that's a whole bag of problems. There's also not enough time to work through that list of problems.Also although I get the hitler parallel, I don't fully agree because hitler was drunk on power and was a bigoted racist prick.
He could become a shitty artist but his friends and family likely won't get murdered by the world because he rambles on when he was half drunk.
Eren and co had no choice.i agree there isn't an ideal choice but there's clearly a wrong choice, and the other survey core members who are in the same situation as him see that. eren was offered an alternative riskier plan (the 50 year plan) but he didn't want to try it because it will sacrifice historia so he wasn't entirely without options.
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what a terrible video i want those 2 minutes of my life back
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what do you mean his country considering to kill themselves?
A country that can’t repopulate dies, so if they chose the sterilization route, then it would be suicide for the Eldians.
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A country that can’t repopulate dies, so if they chose the sterilization route, then it would be suicide for the Eldians.
that's just zeke
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that's just zeke
And his entire faction, which happened to be the only other people who have a plan other than Eren.
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And his entire faction, which happened to be the only other people who have a plan other than Eren.
most of zeke's faction didn't know his true intentions.
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The 50 year plan seems plausible on paper but come on, a nation built on making Historia pretty much just a child bearer?
Also, there's the issue of the hatred not going away and delaying the inevitable.
If AOT technology advances the same way or even faster than the modern world, there's no way the world won't ask for sterilisation of the Eldians because of the long history of hatred and the threat they possess.
As long as they can shift, they are a threat and that's even if the world wants a negotiation in the first place.
More than likely in a decade or two, nukes will obilerate paradis.
Kiyomi's 50 year plan doesn't take into account politics, assassination and her own intention(which serves herself than paradis).
Even if it does suceed through the halfway mark, Eren and co is basically passing the entire burden to the next generation which repeats the cycle.
So there's really no way that's the "right" route.
Once you look at the situation like a numbers thing, this discussion is over because Eren is objectively wrong.
But every other path is wrong to him and not in character, which is why this is such a great turn of events(and writing).
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This is a good post and sums my own thoughts nicely as well. Eren's tale in whole series has been ultimately a tragedy. I disliked Eren at begin of series, but he grown up to me when series progressed, though he never was my favorite character his character growth was exceptional through the series, although ultimately he didn't grow up a saviour… but rather destroyer. I don't know if Eren would even had much choice since he was molded by all the events that was bestowed on him.
I think best thing to happen to Eren is simply peace upon death. I simply cannot fathom any salvation for someone as utterly broken and shattered character as Eren.
The beauty of Eden's character is that for someone that embodied the desire to be free, he was never once free.
Not just physical but also mentally and metaphorically.
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The 50 year plan seems plausible on paper but come on, a nation built on making Historia pretty much just a child bearer?
Also, there's the issue of the hatred not going away and delaying the inevitable.
If AOT technology advances the same way or even faster than the modern world, there's no way the world won't ask for sterilisation of the Eldians because of the long history of hatred and the threat they possess.
As long as they can shift, they are a threat and that's even if the world wants a negotiation in the first place.
More than likely in a decade or two, nukes will obilerate paradis.
Kiyomi's 50 year plan doesn't take into account politics, assassination and her own intention(which serves herself than paradis).
Even if it does suceed through the halfway mark, Eren and co is basically passing the entire burden to the next generation which repeats the cycle.
So there's really no way that's the "right" route.
Once you look at the situation like a numbers thing, this discussion is over because Eren is objectively wrong.
But every other path is wrong to him and not in character, which is why this is such a great turn of events(and writing).
Calling him a coward and making it a black and white thing misses the whole point.1-the 50 year plan includes the destruction of the military capabilities of the other nations so i don't see how they are going to develop nukes and the paradsians can just make their own anyway.
2-the 50 year plan includes making mutually beneficial alliances with other nations so i don't see how it doesn't consider politics.
3-of course they are going to pass the burden to the next generation there is no final solution here that doesn't involve destroying the world that's the nature of geopolitics.i agree that it makes sense for eren's character to do this and is well written, but his character isn't that of a tragic hero, he was offered a plan that had a decent chance of working that would have avoided slaughter on this scale, but it would have involved a person close to him making sacrifices, and he couldn't accept that, because he's a small-minded monster. he's a monster I can understand and empathize with, but he's a monster all the same.
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Paradisians are too technologically backwards as compared to the rest of the world.
You can't really just say they will catch up when the rest of the world likely have researchers and technologies stored in their basement.
Even with their military equipment destroyed, the possibility of redevelopment or them secretly doing it is still up there.
You can take away the tool but you can't take away the skill and in this case, the hatred too.
By politics I'm referring to politics inside paradise. It is not unlikely that Historia will become a political tool or that someone else or something else would disrupt or corrupt the plan.
I'm just saying the 50 year plan is too optimistic and it will likely just delay the inevitable.
