I got outrolled by a holy paladin :'(
World of Warcraft: Cataclysm
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4.3 apparently is the final raid of the expansion? Already?
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I think it's safe to say that Blizz is relatively nervous.
Cuz announcing a new expansion PLUS releasing an end patch almost on the same quarter is unheard of.
Then there's Diablo III…
Ow my TOR.
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By the way transmogrification is fucking awesome. Raiding in RP gear. Goddamn I love it.
Now all we need is for this piece of shit to be F2P lol. I'm callin 2012, you heard it here first.
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I'm sure we'll see a F2P WoW someday, but not before Titan and Diablo 3 are established.
My money's on 2015.
Not that it'll matter much for me since I'll probably be in a Galaxy Far Far Away.
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Oh GOD yes, transmogrifiation sounds so awesome.
I've been saying they should implement something like this for years!But once 4.3 goes live, there's gonna be Tier 2 Paladins everywhere! lol
I'm gonna farm the tier 4s for my warrior for this patch.
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Is anyone else disappointed at how fast Cata went by? They dropped their model of multiple raids per tier right after launch. They dropped the War of the Ancients raid. They dropped the Abysal Maw raid. They dropped the other legendary they were planning since they defintely wouldn't release two legendaries back to back. I play a shaman so this whole exp was supposed to be a huge loregasm for me but between the cuts and the state of the class throughout the exp i'm kinda disappointed. We spent a lot of time complaining about things in Beta that they didn't fix until 4.1 for all 3 specs and none have performed as well as other classes in their roles all exp. Just feels like not a lot of progress happened PvEwise or class wise.
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Yep. I had a lot of fun raiding with friends and we made it incredibly far, so I pretty much did everything that I set out to do, but it still doesn't seem like the expansion as a whole was very beneficial to the actual game or even lore really. Then again, there's a few months left until 4.3, so part of me feels like we shouldn't talk as if the expansion has already ended.
After this transmogrification thing though, I would honestly love an excuse to get back into it. But I just don't see that reason at all. I don't think WoW will ever be what it once was.
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It's going fast because of the subs lost (2 mil I'm told) and the incoming competition.
Cata was a financial success but in Blizz's eyes it was a failure apparently.
So they're speeding up the process is all.
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Why would they think not delivering on the promised content would bring people back? They've dominated the MMO market for some time with a game is out of date in many ways so it was inevitable that they'd lose subscribers to some of the newer MMOs coming out. They should be catering to the players who stuck around by giving them the content they said they would, multiple raids per tier and faster patches. If they're speeding up Cata to switch to a new model faster in Mist of Pandaria it might bring people back for a couple a months but they'll probably alienate the fans who they were jerking around through Cata. I was planning on coming back after 4.2 but the way things are looking i don't see a reason to and with D3 and the SC expansion coming i don't see the point of shelving out $50 + $15 a month so Blizzard can not do half the things they said they would do PvEwise and still haven't fixed problems mentioned with a class in beta after more than half the expansion. Something is wrong when the BiS Enh weapon is still a spell caster weapon.
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I don't find anything wrong with the spellcaster axe. There are other options out there that are just as good. It's cool that there is a weapon that a shaman can use in all three specs. The only other person who'd want it at all is a holy paladin. It's also a rare, sort of random drop that can drop off any mob in Firelands, not an average loot table item.
Anyway, I don't really see Blizzard not delivering what they have announced on any major scale. Pretty much everything they talked about at the last two Blizzcons happened other than the Path of the Titans thing - which we don't even know if it would make the game any better. Of course things will always fall short of people's expectations, and when you're sick of playing a game, no new content is really going to revitalize the experience for you.
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Tell you what, I spent a good 2 hours last night getting old gear for 4.3.
And I'm leaving soon, so yeah, 4.3 is doing something right.
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Do we know for fact we can use old gear models? Seems like all speculation at this point. I wouldn't jump the gun. If that's true though, at least I saved up my old rogue tier 5 and 8 shoulders ;)
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I know you can't trans legendaries, and I believe it has to be intrinsically similar stat wise (as in allocation, not in amount), and I think it has to be plate-plate, mail-mail etc. But yeah old tier sets should work. And I still think it's one of the coolest things they've added to the game in years. I mean, one of the biggest things I hated about WoW was that everyone at endgame was just wearing the same awful fucking tier designs. With this, people will feel a sense of uniqueness, and that's a pretty amazing feeling to have in an MMO.
But RP servers will probably reap the most from this. They can actually raid in RP gear now. Isn't that nuts?
In order for me to resub, I don't just want to see new content. I want to see PvP restored to half a shit and other mechanical changes. I don't think PvP will ever really matter again, but I'd at least like to see… I don't know... Some recognition that their current model isn't working.
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Do we know for fact we can use old gear models? Seems like all speculation at this point. I wouldn't jump the gun. If that's true though, at least I saved up my old rogue tier 5 and 8 shoulders ;)
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/3309048#blog
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@Ice - PvP is currently at it's best in Cata, if you want something more, then you're probably looking at the wrong game for it. Cata PvP is the peak imo of WoW's PvP, the only thing remotely close to it is TBC PvP.
Again, I'm not sure what you're looking for, but for Blizz this is as good as a PvP expansion has been. Especially Tol Barad after the balance changes.
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Ah, sweet. Oh this will be fun, then.
could I make my armor all look like that old Barbaric set? xD -
Ah, sweet. Oh this will be fun, then.
could I make my armor all look like that old Barbaric set? xDYes.
I have my Voidwalker set for my Lock (t4)
I got half of the Justicar set for my Paladin.
And my warrior has PLENTY of sets to rummage about, but I want the Shield from Illidan forever~<3
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Oh GOD yes, transmogrifiation sounds so awesome.
I've been saying they should implement something like this for years!But once 4.3 goes live, there's gonna be Tier 2 Paladins everywhere! lol
I'm gonna farm the tier 4s for my warrior for this patch.
I've always wanted to wear those old tier armors but retain my current gear statsTier 4 that is the only set I hate for warriors, I'm a warrior since I started the game XD, I'm gonna rock my old gear from when I raided, T6, Ilidan Shield and one of the weapons I have in the bank :P.
Its going to be painfull to see the ugly first tiers going around by vanilla fanboys, anyway I haven't even played for 3 months, I'm probably going to come back in the next patch, when raids are puggable since I don't raid seriously since TBC, still did some Naxxramas and Malygos runs, I still raided everything in WOTLK but I haven't done shit in Catalcysm rating not even the Tol Barad boss(bosses now I believe).
Gotta farm the rest of t5 for my rogue and t6 for my hunter, I love them :D.
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At the moment Tier 11 is completely puggable.
I did ALL raids on my warrior tank in 2 hours… and I had never tanked the encounters before >:D
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Just got more game time, and bought Cata. Now to play this expansion and be done with it.
Yeah, that's how I work with this game. Just do all the questing content then I'm out.
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Haha nice.
I'd suggest doing the Thrall questline at level 85, easily one of the best questlines in WoW, that and the Theydra one.
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Tier 11 REGULAR is completely puggable, especially after the nerf. Heroic is most definitely not puggable.
BTW, I have a problem.
On my hunter I kept Malefactor's Eyepatch, a quest reward item that is the only mail eyepatch in the game.
I kept it for 2 years for the looks.It was lost when the account hack took place a few month ago, which I got most of the items back.
But with transmogrification coming soon, I want to get this piece of armor back…. but it's a quest reward, and shares no model with any other mail in the game.
So it's impossible. Ugh.I probably should open a ticket to GM about it.
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Yeah, that's how I feel about my DK starter gear :<
At least I have the sword.
And yes, regular heroics are lol easy, but Heroic Raiding is still head/wall hard.
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PvP is currently at it's best in Cata, if you want something more, then you're probably looking at the wrong game for it. Cata PvP is the peak imo of WoW's PvP, the only thing remotely close to it is TBC PvP.
Again, I'm not sure what you're looking for, but for Blizz this is as good as a PvP expansion has been. Especially Tol Barad after the balance changes.
I was talking about arena. Shit sucks.
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I don't find anything wrong with the spellcaster axe. There are other options out there that are just as good. It's cool that there is a weapon that a shaman can use in all three specs. The only other person who'd want it at all is a holy paladin. It's also a rare, sort of random drop that can drop off any mob in Firelands, not an average loot table item.
There's nothing really cool about a spec not scaling properly and anyone who plays a shaman has low expectations.
Path of the Titans understandably became the revamped glyph system but i don't see how you can say they delivered when they even admitted to changing their model, forgoing their previous statements, about raid content. To me PvE his a huge part of the game. Before I stopped playing i went through a lot to get my Defender title and score enough HMs under my belt to be proud of before the 4.1 nerfs. I know a lot of people on my server who think like that so again i'm going to disagree and say that new content is one of the main driving forces that make people come back to WoW. I'm not one for rose tinted glasses but each Exp has brought less and less raid content and still cost $50 +$15 a month. I like that they don't plan on having 4.3 last a year like they did with ICC but knowing that in about 3-6 months i'm going to be expected to drop another $50 for the new exp and this one had less content than the last, it doesn't inspire confidence that the next exp will bring any progressive changes.
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Oh, Arena is fine atm.
Provided you don't play 2v2, since it's nigh impossible to balance (and 1v1)
3v3s and 5v5 have QUITE a bit of diversity this time around.
I'm in a "Meingcleave" (Rogue/Arms Warrior/Resto Druid) team atm xD
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There's nothing really cool about a spec not scaling properly and anyone who plays a shaman has low expectations.
Not really sure what this means. And I play a shaman.
If you're not having fun playing a game, don't play. It's that simple. No need to explain your actions, neither the WoW player base nor Blizzard is going to call and harass you about it.
I'm a bad case example to talk about money, I have played wow 100% free for years thanks to employee friends.
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Not really sure what this means. And I play a shaman.
If you're not having fun playing a game, don't play. It's that simple. No need to explain your actions, neither the WoW player base nor Blizzard is going to call and harass you about it.
I'm a bad case example to talk about money, I have played wow 100% free for years thanks to employee friends.
what spec?
You're right if you're not having fun with a game then you should stop playing which is what i did. I don't think i'm out of line for expressing the reasons why and my current dissatisfaction with the game. I put a lot of time into it which makes no longer enjoying to play it hurt even more.
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Resto shaman are "lol amazing" in Arenas…
And Enhance and Ele shammies rape meters in raids o_O
So....
Yeah.
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! World of Logs and raidbots beg to differ if you want solid numbers. They've been poor the entire expansion. Enh went through all of 4.0 without a viable AoE and the AoE we got in 4.1 was so clunky and poorly designed they had to fix it in 4.2. None of our physical attacks scale well which is why when you've got the best gear you're better off using a spellpower axe and in any gear lower you're damage will never be as high as the classes whose damage has been properly tuned to their weapons. Then there's the outdated WF model which put an emphasis on sustained damage which is next to impossible in a world of movements and adds. MW not proc problems on absorb shields in PvP. The aforementioned scaling offering no burst and extremely weak sustained (in PvP). And a host of other issues.
! Resto has suffered the same PvE-wise (it's OPness in PvP is to blame in some cases) and is entirely dependent on raid positioning. Something anyone who raids HMs or even normal modes knows is more of a hamper than a benefit. In 25m it's not so bad because you can HR and CH and you'll probably hit enough targets to make the mana cost worth it. In 10m getting everyone in the right spots to use your most efficient heals is less possible so you're forced to rely on GHW and RT an with the constant nerfs to mana tide totem you're more pressed than any other healing class to be the most efficient with your heals. The spec is far from unplayable and i still found it fun for a very long time in Cata but the farther you progress the more glaring it becomes that most fights you're healing in would be better off replacing you with a priest or a druid which is a tough position to be in especially if you're healing and the raid leader like i was.
! Resto Healing in PvP has been the only good mark of the class this entire exp and i think that's a shame. I don't want any part of the class to be overpowered i just want it to be on par with everyone else and Enh and Resto have not been. I can't really speak for Ele, i never touched it but have EQ as a 31 point talent has always put a sour taste in my mouth.
! A lot of the things i've said are obviously subjective but Blizzard has commented on the state of Enh several times throughout the exp saying it needed a DPS boost, it needed actual AoE, it needed a fix to it's scaling, and then they failed to deliver an actual solution so i find it really hard to sit here and have you say Enh rapes meters and bringing up Resto PvP like it that just solves the dispute. They've made the same comments about resto and likewise failed to deliver actual solutions. I know my class. I've lived and breathed it for 5 years and i haven't come to these conclusions lightly and i'm sorry if now i'm coming off as a jerk but i really don't like comments that attempt to brush aside a wealth of issues with no evidence or theory-crafting or knowledge of the class at all.tl:dr you have no idea what you're talking about
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This armor-look-change thing. Do you need to physicly have the items in your bank, or is it enough if you just had it once before? Because I /sold/deleted much of those things :(
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We have shammies in our raids, and they're doing fine.
But OH NOES YOU CAN'T BE TOP OF THE DPS CHART IN WORLD OF LOGS
Damn, what would we ever do.You don't like the game anymore, that's fine. There are other games out there.
But then why bother to come back to a thread and go
"OH HEY GUYS I quit the game and I don't play anymore but I just came here to tell you that the game you guys are playing sucks."Seems pretty counter productive.
It's pretty funny someone who says to have "quit the game" is telling current, active raiders "you don't know what you're talking about".
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I said I played for 5 years before i decided to let it go so obviously i'm not over it especially if i'm still keeping up with all the current information. I didn't come here trolling to say how bad wow is. I love WoW. I was looking forward to enjoying the rest of Cata before they decided to end it. I came here to comment on that issue and to see if anyone else felt the same way. Saying Blizzard delivered on their planned content when they admitted they didn't and saying it's cool for Agi classes to use spellcaster axes warrants a response imo. I'm sure you get ruffled if you see someone arguing in favor of a blatantly wrong or misunderstood translation of something.
Telling me the shamans in your raid are doing fine is about as useful as people saying Paragon never brought a shaman to any world first kills so the class is garbage. There's a median which is why I brought up the logs because it shows a large amount of complied information so you're not just looking at the best or the worst you're looking at a good mix of the whole group, it's not about being top DPS on logs but I don't think it's pretentious of me to say it is about competitive DPS which shaman DPS has not been the entire expansion. In 4.1 there was about a 30% damage difference between the top performing Melee and the top performing Enh Shamans. That's part of the reason why they buffed stormstrike. I know the other part too because just because you stop playing doesn't mean suddenly everything you know about the game is void. I got to baelroc on normal before i quit which probably isn't very far now but it was far back then so I know how the class plays. I don't think anything I said initially was hostile but it got very hostile reactions. My bad for having an opinion?
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Yes, of course you have the right to an opinion.
But whatever you say can be ridiculed or criticized. Especially if it's not a popular opinion.Wait a sec, you don't like that? Oh golly, you're about to tear apart the delicate fabric of internet!
And c'mon now, don't pretend to be a victimized innocent.
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He literally didn't have any idea of what he was talking about and neither do you from anything you've posted.
I don't know anything about my class because I unsubscribed?
World of Logs isn't valid representation of the community's dps?
citing your guild's shaman's performance as proof that the class is fine?
I mean at that point you're not ridiculing you're just trolling. Why even respond with words, you might as well have just spammed LOLOLUSTUPID and it would've had the same impact as any of those statements. If you disagreed that much with anything I was saying while still knowing that people have a right to their opinions why not just ignore me because nothing I've said classwise or contentwise is wrong. The argument stems from people's perceptions of the impact of those changes on the game but I didn't pull these changes out of my ass.
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THEY DISAGREE WITH ME THEY TROLLS!!! Uh… no.
Yeah, it's probably in your best intent to just let go and leave.
No one accused you for "not knowing anything about your class", that's what YOU did.
All we're saying is, it's not as OMG GAME BREAKING BIG FUCKING DEAL as you make it out to be.
At this point, you have no more point to make. All you're doing is bitching, whining, and complaining about why your game experienced was ruined by something no one gives a damn about. Then lashing out at someone who doesn't agree.Stop this passive-aggressive OH NOES STOP PICKING ON ME victim bullshit already. Really.
You're not the victimized, dude. Others were simply disagreeing with you. YOU are the one that went hostile first.
Notice I didn't respond to you until you did?
Are you one of those people who think you have the right to talk shit, but when the favor's returned to you, you act like people treated you unfairly and feel victimized, then call people trolls when they respond to your whining flames?EVERYTHING you have so far accused others of, you yourself are the one guilty of. Everything.
Guess what? Hunters have not been a viable class in arenas (and the least represented class) for... uh, since we left BC. Years ago. It's such a big deal I'm gonna unsubscribe my account, and STILL visit WoW forums to bitch and argue about why the game sucks right?
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Classes go up and down the meters all the time, and there are always many factors involved when scraping data from WOL. Give it another patch and you might see Enh shamans outdoing an arcane mage (who were performing with mediocrity at the beginning of the xpac) I remember when you were laughed at for being a feral cat, ret pally or shadow priest. If we're looking at the top hardcore raiding guilds, the top performing class versus the bottom means something, but to the vast majority of people it matters little.
A friend of mine actually ditched his mage that he played since BC for his shaman and he just ripped on the meters in both enhance and elemental, because he's a very good player, and he ENJOYS his shaman now. He had no trouble getting into one of the top raiding guilds on our server and doing heroic Firelands.And I am resto/enh, btw. Also having played a rogue for 4 years, I just know that every xpac combat rogues start out sucking and then start topping meters by the end of the xpac, :P
I guess WoW really does have a big hold on people if they quit playing and they're still full of emotion over it. Those types of people should probably never have started playing.
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They were able to restore the eyepatch quest reward. Awesome.
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Fucking nice!
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Being responsible for interrupting the flame druids AND healing on Alysrazor is the pits. FML
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Ow… fuck that.
I'd tell able'd DPS to interrupt :P
I don't do both.
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That's the problem. All we have for interrupts is a mage, an MM hunter, a lock pet, and me, the friendly neighborhood resto shaman. And guess who is the only one with a low-cooldown interrupt. Makes that fight more difficult than it should be.
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We only had ONE guy with a low CD interrupt.
The other team could just interrupt one every two blasts, so they had to kill the druids very fast.We still downed Alysrazor with that makeup though.
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So, worgen are finally getting their own racial mount: Horses! Guess nothing else really makes sense, though I always liked the old fashioned 3 wheel tricycle idea XD Too bad they can't attach an old stage coach or something to the horses.
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Heh. I remember how that went. Blizzard shows concept art of cool cursed mount. People whine that they want worgen on all fours blizzard gives it to them. People whine that there's no mount.
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Yeah, I saw that. Just like for the past two expansions everyone complained "all Blizzard is doing is making a totally new area that we'll never go to after the next expansion, they need to make the old world playable again", then they do Cataclsym and all I hear id "Blizzard is lazy, we want a whole new area, not just remaking the existing ones!"
But I never thought that old mount model would fly, it was a little too ridiculous imo. Unless they came up with a story that worgen bit their mounts or something.
But there should be SOMETHING different about the horses. Some people are saying "Gilneans are cursed humans, humans ride horses" Forsaken are cursed humans too. They have undead horses.
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I'm hoping there's something more because either I'm missing something or these ones shown are already sold in stormwind.
Stand in maybe?
I be happy if they end up with some nice looking armor like the worgen druid forms have.
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Boars please?
Lol jk, I'd settle for furrier (!) more evil looking horses tbh, cuz the current model there looks real vanilla flavored =\