YOU MONSTER!!…..but seriously, that was sad and fucked up yet I enjoyed every minute of it. Reminded me alot of JJBA and Hokuto no Ken.
I was looking for a seriously pissed off reaction by Toriko, but the one he gave wasn't up to my expectations.
YOU MONSTER!!…..but seriously, that was sad and fucked up yet I enjoyed every minute of it. Reminded me alot of JJBA and Hokuto no Ken.
I was looking for a seriously pissed off reaction by Toriko, but the one he gave wasn't up to my expectations.
I was looking for a seriously pissed off reaction by Toriko, but the one he gave wasn't up to my expectations.
He probably is super pissed off butt doesn't want to show it, knowing that all it's going to do is waste energy and with one hand frozen. He's going to need all of the strength he can muster in order to fight tommyrod.
He probably is super pissed off butt doesn't want to show it, knowing that all it's going to do is waste energy and with one hand frozen. He's going to need all of the strength he can muster in order to fight tommyrod.
I want that trap((tommyrod)) in a coma by the end of this fight
OH YEAH I totally forgot about the small gt robo that flew past everyone.
I want that trap((tommyrod)) in a coma by the end of this fight
OH YEAH I totally forgot about the small gt robo that flew past everyone.
I'm pretty sure it's normal size, seeing as how grimmpatch rode atop a big fucking beetle. (am I right about that? i'm too lazy to look at back chapters to make sure)
I'm pretty sure it's normal size, seeing as how grimmpatch rode atop a big fucking beetle. (am I right about that? i'm too lazy to look at back chapters to make sure)
The penguins massacre, it happened too fast, I still haven't reacted as I should …
Who cares about the penguins, really…
Anyway, the story'll be picking up again now, and they're getting to the battles with the big 3 of either side, plus that GT Robo is coming. I guess it's only 1... ya'd think if they were sending backup they would send more.
I do think though this arc will be more complex then a straight out battle that decides everything like the last one.
Who cares about the penguins, really…
GM, myself, and choperman care.
when you kill the innocent it's always going to be
Who cares about the penguins, really…
Anyway, the story'll be picking up again now, and they're getting to the battles with the big 3 of either side, plus that GT Robo is coming. I guess it's only 1... ya'd think if they were sending backup they would send more.
I do think though this arc will be more complex then a straight out battle that decides everything like the last one.
I think that was the whole point of Grimmpatch going to recover them… they're not in unlimited supply. I'm guessing this is the last one they have; otherwise, why bother sending Tommyrod, Hermit-Crab Guy, AND the Rock Guy in person?
i dont think that the GT-Robo is a backup.. it
s more likely a spy so that the other byshankiorihuwhhuhuhu (you know the organisation :) has an eye on the situation..
with tommyrod they send one of their best man..and also with those other two guys they won`t send 10 more guys NOW to the ice-continent
what chapter did this gt robo "flew past everyone"?
oh shit! so it is small
GM, myself, and choperman care.
when you kill the innocent it's always going to be
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh15/KazeisKaze/1263276663113.jpg
hell yeah it's serious business
what chapter did this gt robo "flew past everyone"?
I dunno….maybe when it came out of tommyrods mouth a few chapters ago.
just read Ch 1 in SJ US version
seems intresting so far
That's what she said.
TO YOU HA…. okay i know that was cold but i would have done it to anyone please except these cookies as an apology
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I didn't know you were a fan of pink, Greg.
Color me slowpoke, but I just realized this is the same dude who was convicted of paying for sex with schoolgirls O_o
Wow, that's surprising.
Also surprising is that your site is listed on his wikipedia page. Somebody pointed out that the author is friends with Oda in one of your interviews.
It's disheartening to know that the author has such a disturbing past.
Also surprising is that your site is listed on his wikipedia page.
Yeah I wrote that a while ago and since I'd never actually read his earlier work, it wasn't a name I kept in the back of my head. Then I was reading his comment from this week's table of contents and did a search on him since I remembered Oda gave him some verbal support when Toriko started. The wikipedia page came up and I was like, "No way…"
And yeah...
CONTROVERSIAL STATEMENT BOUND TO SEND THE INTER-UNIVERSAL ALLIANCE OF ONE PIECE STUDIES INTO CHAOS
It bugs me that Oda publicly supports the guy and appears to maintain friendship with him. It's one thing to be loyal to friends, but friends that pay high school girls for sex?
He lost a few points in my book. Not to mention Shueisha for letting him back in the door.
Then again, what this pedo did is probably saintly compared to what the bastards running it do nightly.
Yeah I wrote that a while ago and since I'd never actually read his earlier work, it wasn't a name I kept in the back of my head. Then I was reading his comment from this week's table of contents and did a search on him since I remembered Oda gave him some verbal support when Toriko started. The wikipedia page came up and I was like, "No way…"
And yeah...
CONTROVERSIAL STATEMENT BOUND TO SEND THE INTER-UNIVERSAL ALLIANCE OF ONE PIECE STUDIES INTO CHAOS
It bugs me that Oda publicly supports the guy and appears to maintain friendship with him. It's one thing to be loyal to friends, but friends that pay high school girls for sex?
He lost a few points in my book. Not to mention Shueisha for letting him back in the door.
Then again, what this pedo did is probably saintly compared to what the bastards running it do nightly.
Well to be fair, the school girls are at as much fault for accepting. Not like he forced them. Does that make it ok? No but it's a slight sign of relief from raping them or something.
Edit: Looking at Wikepedia, seeing as it said especially a 16 year old, I'm assuming that's the youngest girl he paid for which personally I really don't find THAT bad. I thought he paid a 13 year old or something. Maybe I'm jaded from reading a ton of manga like GTO where 14 year-olds are conniving evil masterminds and look like supermodels, but at 16, I think the term "child" is a bit hazy especially when the girls accepted the money.
It bugs me that Oda publicly supports the guy and appears to maintain friendship with him. It's one thing to be loyal to friends, but friends that pay high school girls for sex?
We don't know the whole story, maybe he was framed, she was a golddigger, it was just that once, she looked way older than she was, he's a good person who made a bad choice, or he is a sed psycho who happens to be a good friend and mangaka.
I was also disturbed when I first found out, but there are far worse people running countries and far better people dead before their time, and the bottom line should be that he's a good author, not how many underaged girls has he paid to have sex with, SPECIALY if I don't even have to meet the guy.
We don't know the whole story, maybe he was framed,
They have his e-mails from the deai-kei site.
she was a golddigger
It wasn't just one girl.
, it was just that once,
See above. And, it really makes me feel better than an adult had sex with a high school girl only once O_o
she looked way older than she was,
She and all the rest?
he's a good person who made a bad choice,
At least six times?
I'm assuming that's the youngest girl he paid for which personally I really don't find THAT bad. I thought he paid a 13 year old or something.
Those three years make a world of a difference right?
Glad I dont have any moral problems to enjoy good story, I really do not care if writer is good and loving family man or perverted rapist aslong as story itself is enjoyable and good.
If a matter that the writer is morally not perfect man, and it clouds your judgement of story itself and your ability to enjoy it then its your loss.
Do not be so morally uptight, just sit back and enjoy good story.
Those three years make a world of a difference right?
Just like those two years from eighteen make a world of difference, right?
Not in my country, bub.
Just like those two years from eighteen make a world of difference, right?
Really dumb point. Whether she was a legal adult or not isn't the point. He was 27. She was 11 years younger than him.
There's no problem you see there?
Okay, so if it was George Bush and not a manga author who writes a story you happen to enjoy you'd be saying, "Leave the guy alone, he just made a poor choice…five or six times that we know of."
Do not be so morally uptight, just sit back and enjoy good story.
Disliking a pedophile is now "morally uptight".
Fascinating.
I really do not care if writer is good and loving family man or perverted rapist aslong as story itself is enjoyable and good.
So you would support a person that enjoys rape?
"I never said that!"
Do you enjoy the story?
Would you suggest it to friends?
Regardless of whether you read it online for free or not, would you agree some of those friends might go and purchase Toriko volumes and/or merchandise?
Really dumb point. Whether she was a legal adult or not isn't the point. He was 27. She was 11 years younger than him.
There's no problem you see there?
Your problem is the age difference? That's pretty close minded of you. So it would have been equally immoral if she were 20? I mean that's still eight years!!!
Edit: And oh, don't play that "Bush" card with me Greg. I hate Bush and would get on his ass over a parking ticket. Someone I like or feel neutral about is a different story.
@Thousand:
Your problem is the age difference? That's pretty close minded of you. So it would have been equally immoral if she were 20? I mean that's still eight years!!!
Edit: And oh, don't play that "Bush" card with me Greg. I hate Bush and would get on his ass over a parking ticket. Someone I like or feel neutral about is a different story.
shut up, batter
Your problem is the age difference? That's pretty close minded of you. So it would have been equally immoral if she were 20? I mean that's still eight years!!!
Right over your head…AGAIN.
There's an 11 year age difference and she's still legally a minor.
"But Greg! What difference does the age..."
She's naive enough to accept money from someone 11 years her senior to have sex.
That shows the difference quite clearly.
"But Greg! There are adults who accept money for sex."
Yeah, gee, wonder if they instantly became adults that do that. Mayhaps there was a time when they were younger and naive and thought that might be an easy way to make money and that became a life-style choice.
No? Oh okay. They woke up one morning and decided one day to sell sex for money. Gotcha.
How is it possible you're even arguing this?
Answer this with a yes or no and I will continue to reply.
Are you saying if or when you're 27, you wouldn't have any qualms about giving a 16-year old money for sex?
As for enjoying the story. Shandian has something that resembles a point but it was presented so sloppily and disgustingly it just sounds like a love letter to rapists.
Art is art.
If I can see the artwork of a disturbed individual for free, that doesn't bother me.
Reading a pedophile's comic for free online isn't going to give me nightmares.
But actually purchasing a cent of merch or suggesting it? Not a chance.
Edit: And oh, don't play that "Bush" card with me Greg. I hate Bush and would get on his ass over a parking ticket. Someone I like or feel neutral about is a different story.
I win.
If the press gets wind of this will it become free advertising?
Also, will it increase the speed of scanlations?
Right over your head…AGAIN.
There's an 11 year age difference and she's still legally a minor.
I'm sorry but weren't you the one who said that
Whether she was a legal adult or not isn't the point.
.
"But Greg! What difference does the age…"
She's naive enough to accept money from someone 11 years her senior to have sex.
You can't make any claims on the mental state of any of these girls. That would be generalizing. For all you know, the majority of them were gold diggers.
That shows the difference quite clearly.
"But Greg! There are adults who accept money for sex."
Yeah, gee, wonder if they instantly became adults that do that. Mayhaps there was a time when they were younger and naive and thought that might be an easy way to make money and that became a life-style choice.
No? Oh okay. They woke up one morning and decided one day to sell sex for money. Gotcha.
So your problem is he's ruining the lives of these girls? Was he actively seeking first-timers or were they for hire? Because if it was the latter then it's not his fault that they got thrown into that world. If it wasn't him that day, it would have been someone else.
How is it possible you're even arguing this?
I'm just pointing out that things aren't clear cut, I'll be going on a bit of a tangent here but I really don't see what he did was that bad. You can call me an immoral bastard all you want but I've been introduced to infinitely worse and horrifying scenarios than this to the point where in less awful cases like these I feel sorry for both sides and I don't automatically join the mob in convicting an individual.
There's one case where I live where a murderer is trying to get a pardon because he's dying of cancer and wants to die at his home and you see the reactions if his family in tears and the family of the victim's wanting him to die and it's that sort of stuff that makes me realize that there's always too sides to the coin and life isn't as simple as "He's a fucking pedo cunt, he should be shot and killed!!!". I hate that American Law (forgot it's name) with the sexual offender list because it is basically punishing the criminal for the rest of his life making his jail term meaningless. Where's a murderer register list then?
Seeing as I'm deviating, let me cut things short, What he did was wrong but all the same, he made a mistake (in general, don't go with the six times thing again) and I'm not going to hold it against him seeing as he supposedly PAID for his crimes and Oda chooses not to either because he's a big softy.
Answer this with a yes or no and I will continue to reply.
Are you saying if or when you're 27, you wouldn't have any qualms about giving a 16-year old money for sex?
Doesn't really apply to me since I have relationship issues but assuming I didn't have them, yes I would. All depending on the various mitigating circumstances that would exist. I was never arguing what he did was right anyway. I was arguing that what he did wasn't "holy fuck, what an asshole sicko, let's strip away his rights and call him human scum for the rest for his life"
I win.
Not really, what matters is how I would treat a person I'm indifferent about. How would I treat George Bush is an extreme case that holds no bearing since I'd like to see him beat over the head with a bat. You're arguing because my ethics aren't universal, they're invalid. Tell me, how would your "shoot the pedo"ethics fare if your father were convicted?
Now that I think about it, this manga has an absurd lack of young women as characters, and none as main characters.
I guess he's rather sensitive about it, and all of Shueisha knows.
Then again, isn't the author of Berserk also a lolicon?
Now that I think about it, this manga has an absurd lack of young women as characters, and none as main characters.
I guess he's rather sensitive about it, and all of Shueisha knows.
Then again, isn't the author of Berserk also a lolicon?
Obviously they know, they cancled his last series because of this, kind of, apparently.
Also I thought of the Berserk thing when I first saw this.
Not really
Yes really. It's entirely an emotional issue to you and not one based on logic, morals or supporting what you personally believe as you said yourself:
yes
And I found this far more amusing than I probably should.
Not really, what matters is how I would treat a person I'm indifferent about. How would I treat George Bush is an extreme case that holds no bearing since I'd like to see him beat over the head with a bat.
Orly?
http://apforums.net/showpost.php?p=1027321&postcount=4573
Later Batter. Now that I know who you are it's back to me laughing at your posts and not responding to you anymore.
Then again, isn't the author of Berserk also a lolicon?
Now see, lolicon is something I don't have a problem with.
"Whaaaaaat!"
If it develops to the point where
A. An individual is acting on their fantasies.
B. Supporting such fantasies by doing something illegal
then it becomes an issue.
But most of those individuals are just sad, sorry lacking confidence and I feel bad for more than anything else.
If the press gets wind of this will it become free advertising?
Since absolutely no big deal has been made over it that I'm aware of, I'm guessing they just went with the, "Let's wait until everyone forgets about it then bring you back."
The Man at work. whiplash
Oi… do you really need to argue over the moralistics of child prostitution in this thread... I don't think it really applies to the manga. It's something the author did like 10 years ago and he paid for it. His old series which was a big hit got cancelled and now he's doing a new one much later. So don't go saying things like the manga's bad because of unrelated things the author did.
So don't go saying things like the manga's bad because of unrelated things the author did.
Now this is interesting, who said that?
Well my point was that it's unrelated to the manga and kinda clogs up any discussion of it. By just talking about the author badly it could give people that perception like there's something wrong with the manga. Like "Don't read this, the author's a pervert!" kinda feel, don't you think it gives that kinda vibe? And you guys were kinda getting off topic, too.
There's seriously people sticking up for a convicted pedo because a random internet guy quite rightly doesn't want to give him money?
There's seriously people blaming the victims?
Really?
There's seriously people sticking up for a convicted pedo because a random internet guy quite rightly doesn't want to give him money?
There's seriously people blaming the victims?
Really?
Yes, I am. And it's because he's a good author. And there aren't "victims" he was convicted of child prostitution. It's not like he attacked somebody. But he's a good author and does good work and there are plenty of people who make mistakes in their lives. Besides it was like 10 years ago… the guys and everyone's moved on from it. It's bringing up old history and reopening old wounds. So be civil about it, just don't spoil the thread about a manga and turn it into some sorta stupid moral preaching thing or debate over how to view things... Do you catch my drift?
I really don't care about the author, just his work. Who gives a shit?
Besides it was like 10 years ago…
When I hear things like this I can't help but wonder….
In ten years will Strom Thurmond be heralded as a champion for promoting 'inter racial relations'?
In forty years will Charles Manson find support for his devotion to 'working together for a better tomorrow'?
In a hundred years will Tsutomu Miyazaki be considered a pioneer of the 'gourmet world'?
In a thousand will we ask ourselves 'What Would Hitler Do'?
While I certainly won't deride the work itself, art is art, it's pretty hard to get excited over a chapter when thinking the guy who wrote this thought it was cool to pay high school girls for sex. And I'd certainly never want to give him a yen of my own money.
I mean, if any one of those girls was your own daughter you still wouldn't 'give a shit' since it was so long ago is that right?
"Well yeah Jim, the wacko paid my daughter to fuck her when she was in high school but DAMN can this guy write an exciting story!"
I'd pay the man if I liked his work enough, and I'm actually thinking about buying "Toriko". Honestly what he did was wrong, but why should I let an artist's personal problems get in the way of enjoying something he does totally separately?
If the guy paid for his past 10 years ago, and is sorry for his actions, I think it would be ok to forgive him and move on.
But then again, I guess some sins can't be forgiven that easily by some people.
What he did was wrong, this is fact. But I don't think it's too healthy to kick a man who's already been thrown to the ground for the past while.
(I have no idea what this manga is and totally just came here because I saw Greg's name :ninja:)
But I don't think it's too healthy to kick a man who's already been thrown to the ground for the past while.
You've got good people that can't find work no matter how hard they try.
Then you've gotta guy who found success and that allowed him to do what he did.
Now he's right back where he was.
I agree with you and don't think it's right to kick someone when they're down if they're not where they are because of their own actions. This dude made a choice that he knew was wrong and brought himself down. I may not feel like kicking him but I certainly don't wanna put food on his table or give him money that he might use for the same thing again.
"I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you either."
I'd pay the man if I liked his work enough, and I'm actually thinking about buying "Toriko". Honestly what he did was wrong, but why should I let an artist's personal problems get in the way of enjoying something he does totally separately?
I'd have to agree, it's not like the man owns a slave trading corporation.
You've got good people that can't find work no matter how hard they try.
Then you've gotta guy who found success and that allowed him to do what he did.
Now he's right back where he was.
I agree with you and don't think it's right to kick someone when they're down if they're not where they are because of their own actions. This dude made a choice that he knew was wrong and brought himself down. I may not feel like kicking him, I certainly don't wanna put food on his table or give him money that he might use for the same thing again.
Mmm, so Greg feels like this man doesn't understand what he did was wrong and fears that he may make the same mistake in the future?
If that's the case, I can understand why you refuse to support him.
Unfortunately everything I know about him is drawn from this thread and articles like wiki. So with such limited information, I can't help but feel like this man deserves a second chance at being trusted.
I guess my question would be, what about this man makes him so untrustworthy?
Also by being a complete Toriko-noob, I think I'm officially off-topic >.>;.
I feel like I walked into an alcoholics anonymous meeting and fell right into judge judy