Dragonball Discussion

Lord Starfish

@Sandai:

Budokai had the samething and no one criticized it for that and actually most reviews have given good scores to the game so it actually did better review
wise than the first Budokai game.

Also, claiming that the game sucks just because it doesn't include a story-arc that felt tacked on and unnecessary and which is generally considered the weakest part of the story is kinda dumb… I actually think the series itself should have ended at the Cell-saga... Or when Goku beat Piccolo Jr... Or when he beat Piccolo the demon king (Oooo, proper translation) for that matter. That's actually one of the biggest flaws of the series if you ask me; It went on for too long, and continued way past the point where Toriyama actually wanted to end it.

King_Ty

@sasuke6000:

also whats your favorite fight in the story mine is actully in GT when goku fuses with vegeta to make Go-something that was cool.

Gogeta…

I like Vegeto better

Sandai Mera

@Vegard:

Also, claiming that the game sucks just because it doesn't include a story-arc that felt tacked on

More tacked on than the Garlic Jr arc?

Toshiya

People like GT? Never liked it myself really. I wish he did end it at Cell saga since Buu saga wasn't my favorite other than half way in till it got lame. I'm glad he barely had anything to do with GT other than making characters.

sasuke6000

lol you hate gt but look at your avatar our is that from DB

Toshiya

@sasuke6000:

lol you hate gt but look at your avatar our is that from DB

Is what? It's from the DragonBall Movie Special. It's the actual kid goku not Wished to be a kid by Pilaf Goku.

Sandai Mera

@Toshiya:

Is what? It's from the DragonBall Movie Special. It's the actual kid goku not Wished to be a kid by Pilaf Goku.

Dragon Ball: The Path to Power/ The Path to Ultimate Strength

No fuss no muss.

King_Ty

That movie wasnt that good

Lord Starfish

@Sandai:

More tacked on than the Garlic Jr arc?

That was a filler-arc. A filler-arc that was furthermore a continuation of a movie that doesn't even fit into the continuity. It doesn't get much more tacked on than that.

King_Ty

Dead Zone was a pretty good movie

Lord Starfish

@King_Ty:

Dead Zone was a pretty good movie

Which has nothing whatsoever to do with what I said. It doesn't have to follow continuity to be good. Actually, I don't know how good/bad it is, because I haven't seen it yet. I've seen DBZ movies 2, 3, 6, 8, 10, 11, 12 and 13, DB movie 2, 3 and 4, and out of those, the last two were the best ones, and movie 11 sucked horribly, reducing a somewhat cool character to a literal pile of crap.

Sandai Mera

@Vegard:

and movie 11 sucked horribly, reducing a somewhat cool character to a literal pile of crap.

That is all.

sasuke6000

Wasn't 13 with that cool mohawk guy I have no idea what his name was.

p.s Broly was the funniest charecter ever

Sandai Mera

That was Android 16.

King_Ty

@Vegard:

Which has nothing whatsoever to do with what I said. It doesn't have to follow continuity to be good. Actually, I don't know how good/bad it is, because I haven't seen it yet. I've seen DBZ movies 2, 3, 6, 8, 10, 11, 12 and 13, DB movie 2, 3 and 4, and out of those, the last two were the best ones, and movie 11 sucked horribly, reducing a somewhat cool character to a literal pile of crap.

I know it had nothing to do with what you said. I was just saying it was a good movie

I think Worlds Strongest and Fusion Reborn are the best

Buuhan1

I've only seen the DBZ movies up to movie 8. Not seen 9-13. Only DB movie I've seen is Path to Power. I own it, as well as DBZ 1, 2, 4, 5, 7, and 8. I own a good portion of the Buu saga on VHS (back before it aired on CN).

I also recently bought a few DB/DBZ VHS tapes cause my local Dollar Generals sell them for $2 a piece.

Kaboom

@Sandai:

That was Android 16.

Since he was talking about Movie 13, I think he means m'main man, Tapion.

Emperor Time

Wasn't he the guy that gave Future Trunks his sword?

sasuke6000

Thats who I mean Kaboom ty I couldn't remember his name

King_Ty

That movie kinda sucked…i dont remember it that good though. Ive only seen it once, didnt Goku beat the bad guy easily with like a Dragon Fist?

Sandai Mera

@Emperor:

Wasn't he the guy that gave Future Trunks his sword?

Yes though Movie 13 as with the other movies aren't canon.

That movie kinda sucked…i dont remember it that good though. Ive only seen it once, didnt Goku beat the bad guy easily with like a Dragon Fist?

Only after Hildergarn(sp) pretty much owned almost everyone.

King_Ty

Just watched the last 15 mins

SSJ3 Goku is the shit, he so cocky

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Lord Starfish

@Sandai:

Yes though Movie 13 as with the other movies aren't canon.

Actually, movie 13 fits into the timeline perfectly, also…
@Daizenshuu:

INCONSISTENCY: Trunks's Sword
CONFLICT: In DBZ Movie 13, Tapion passes his sword down to Trunks, explaining the origin of Trunks's sword.
FACTS: Regardless of how the movie can fit into the timeline, this is impossible for other reasons. The Trunks who had the sword was the one from the tragic future, commonly known as Future Trunks. Tapion gave his sword to the Trunks from the main timeline, best known as Chibi Trunks. They are two completely different people; Tapion giving his sword to Chibi Trunks could not possibly explain how Future Trunks obtained his sword.
Back to the timeline issue, since the events of the movie could never take place, regardless of the fact that the two "Trunks" characters are two completely different people, the sword Chibi Trunks receives cannot possibly be the same sword that Future Trunks receives. Since Goku has died in the alternate timeline (as well as many of the other fighters), if Hildegarn were to come to Earth trapped within Tapion, the world would probably be destroyed; Trunks, alone, would not be able to stand up to such a task (especially since he would only be Chibi Trunks' age during the events… oh, it's so confusing!).
The movie is a great way to show how Chibi Trunks gets a sword… but it's not how Future Trunks gets his sword. Presumably, this is the same sword Trunks uses in DBGT.

Ugh, long quote, but anyway, Future Trunks couldn't possibly have gotten HIS sword like that.

Miracles

I am looking forward to the New DragonBall anime special which will be based on an original concept by Akira Toriyama himself.

Dragon Warrior Steve

@Vegard:

Ugh, long quote, but anyway, Future Trunks couldn't possibly have gotten HIS sword like that.

Glad someone was on the ball and mentioned this. I can't stand when people tell me that's how Future Trunks got his sword.

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King_Ty

I used to start laughin over that years ago

Buuhan1

Likewise, when I first bought the movie and saw that it killed me. I replayed it over and over, and even told my family about it like the nerdy kid I was at the time. I remember going to the part in the Japanese track and it being silent. I was booing inside.

I don't care how unfaithful it may be, when it's good it's good.

Mr. Lucci

Hmm, I only watched like 3 or 4 of the movies. I also agree that GT was pretty much crap.

However, I never really disliked the Buu arc. I do remember it having some "wtf?" parts. Overall, I enjoyed it though. I thought it had a good conclusion as well. This could be partially cause it was the latest one I saw, and I barely remember any of the other arcs at the moment.

Hinscher

there was two Awesome endings he could have had.

1. Use the Earth Dragonballs to teleport everyone alive back to Earth. Picolo still alive so works. He dies on earth so no more dragonballs. All the namekians are dead so no more dragonballs. Basically just teleported Gohan and Bulma back. Goku refuses and chooses to fight Frieza like he did. And so forth Goku dies to save the Universe from Frieza.

2. No Buu saga. Basically have exactly how Cell saga ended and having Goku die and not wanting to be brough back. Saying its time for new heroes or whatever. Cause Cell saga was still nice in the sense that it tied into dragonball.

But all in all it wasn't a horrible ending or anything. Its just that the whole Buu jus tdidn't make sense. He was just a super being made long ago and was burried under the earth. Just your typical when the story is no more the authro throws in a "hey this bad guy who is stronger than anything was hiding this hwole time and now here he is to come out at this moment. Convinient huh"

Which is what it will be like if Bleach and Naruto continue past their respective enemies we know of. Naruto I see no new enemies ever being able to come.

Only way I see bleach continuing that makes sense would be that after Aizens defeat and if some good guys die then those highest Hollows (no idea on name of top head) come out because they see it as a chance because SS is weak or something. But really can't see too much of a story, just some mindless boss to beat. (ha buu)

King_Ty

It did have some good moments though:
Super Saiyan 3
Vegeto
Gotenks
Majin Vegeta
Kid Buu Design
Kid Buu pushing back Sprit Bomb

Annoyances:
Mystic Gohan training…just to get beat again
Piccolo and others being beat like fodder...

Overall i liked it though

Hinscher

it was basically just a fanservice. We got to see stuff we wanted.

Like as you said. SSJ3. Then we saw OMG what if so and so fuzed ect.

Sandai Mera

@Hinscher:

"hey this bad guy who is stronger than anything was hiding this hwole time and now here he is to come out at this moment. Convinient huh"

Cell did it first.

Lord Starfish

@Hinscher:

there was two Awesome endings he could have had.

1. Use the Earth Dragonballs to teleport everyone alive back to Earth. Picolo still alive so works. He dies on earth so no more dragonballs. All the namekians are dead so no more dragonballs. Basically just teleported Gohan and Bulma back. Goku refuses and chooses to fight Frieza like he did. And so forth Goku dies to save the Universe from Frieza.

I'd say this ending would have worked better with Piccolo getting killed by Freeza and having Bulma and Gohan return to Earth in Goku's spaceship, like Goku said they should. Actually, many people believe that Toriyama originally planned on ending the series like this. If he'd done it like that, you'd get a conclusive, dramatic ending, which fits much better with the more serious direction the series had been taking ever since the Demon King Piccolo-arc.
Now, I liked the Cell-arc too, but there were some things that were a bit lame: more super-saiyans. They said that there was only supposed to be ONE APPEARING IN OVER THE COURSE OF A THOUSAND YEARS, so why did there end up being 4 of them? Also, the way Freeza was re-introduced only to be killed seconds later by a previously unknown character was kind of dumb. And the introduction of several super saiyan-stages didn't really fit what they'd said about them earlier either. What I DID like was how Gohan was the one who ended up saving the world, as they had always claimed that Gohan was far stronger than Goku, and had more potential for growth too. All in all, both the Freeza- and Cell-arcs would have made for better endings than the Buu-arc did.

Sandai Mera

That ending sounds like ass.

@Vegard:

Also, the way Freeza was re-introduced only to be killed seconds later by a previously unknown character was kind of dumb.

Well Trunks had to demonstrate his strength some way besides killing nameless henchmen.

Mr. Lucci

@Vegard:

Also, the way Freeza was re-introduced only to be killed seconds later by a previously unknown character was kind of dumb.

This annoyed me as well. I always felt like they should have just let him die with Namek. It sorta downplayed Goku's final attack on him as well. I think it would have been better if it had just been some new villain.

Guess I'm one of the few here who liked how the Buu arc ended the series. Of course, as I mentioned before, I barely remember the other two arcs at the moment; especially the Cell arc. I remember it being kinda confusing actually, how the time travel crap worked and all. There were like several different alternate realities or something.

Toshiya

The only thing that was good from the Buu Saga was just the Great Saiyaman Saga and some of the World Tournament parts but after Supreme Kai and Maijin bs came out I stopped watching it. I did enjoy the fusion dance haha.

Hinscher

@Sandai:

Cell did it first.

Well not really. Dr. Gero was working on making an ultimate android since dragonball. We first saw that android 8 and what not. Of course he could have released his other 19 or so androids. But Cell was growing or wahtever in the canister so it wans't really just made in a second.

But yea I agree on the million super saiyans. They should have just had Goku and maybe during the cell game have gohan since he is son. But whatever. You know how it always goes. The best of the best always appear at the same time.

Due to each other trying to outdo another or just constanly fighting stronger guys. And its not like the legend ever said only 1 could be. Its just that 1 happened to be one.

Sandai Mera

@Hinscher:

Well not really. Dr. Gero was working on making an ultimate android since dragonball. We first saw that android 8 and what not. Of course he could have released his other 19 or so androids. But Cell was growing or wahtever in the canister so it wans't really just made in a second.

Cell (the finished one) comes from the future using Trunks time machine and hides for 3 years until deciding to make his presence known

Hinscher

so your sayign this Cell from teh future should have started attacking right away even though it was basically a huge beetle. he took time to hatch. Or evolve.

What fun would of it been had they fought with Metapod. They needed him to evolve into butterfree

Sandai Mera

Cell only transformed into that state so he could fit in the machine

@Hinscher:

so your sayign this Cell from teh future should have started attacking right away even though it was basically a huge beetle. he took time to hatch. Or evolve.

No all I'm saying is that Cell & Buu are pretty much the same for appearing at the most convenient or slightly inconvenient times.

Hinscher

yes exaclty. But it took 3 years for him to get back to normal.

Sandai Mera

I think that had to do with him being to weak to transform out of that state.

Tokoro Ataru

I think the whole matter was "Cell couldn't travel the time machine as he was, so he programmed it, de-evolved to an egg, then rehatched but needed three more years before he could be "reborn" in his state at the time." It's just weird though but that's how it happened.

As for all the talk of Buu, I actually love that arc…probably because Toriyama didn't care anymore. He was probably pent up with not being able to end it with Frieza and making things more ludicrous with Cell, so he just decided to go back to his roots with comedy/action instead of just always drama/action. Yeah, it still worsens the "no one outside Saiyans...and maybe Piccolo matter" aspect it had since the beginning of Androids/Cell but at least it felt like a fun side-story.

Hinscher

yea that makes sense. Why would he program the time machine to a time when the androids aren't there yet. He went back in time not to become the strongest person (he already was) but to become complete.

When he noticed he had to revert back to bug/shell form he knew how long it would take to evolve/grow thus sending himself back that amount of time before the andriods appeared, which was a known date and place as Trunks put it. But it obvioulsy wasn't perfect on his evolution or getting back to full strength to attack and capture teh androids.

sasuke6000

I liked the BUU arc the best for like 5/6 reasons.

1. Cell's arc to me was a bad ending. Goku dies, Vegeta is nice for once, Gohan ends the story? Thats dumb for the non main character to end a story. I also felt that many things should be continued. Also knowing that young Trunks was born made me want to see him older.

2. The way how there was many buu forms was entertaining. The funniest part was how the strongest one was the little kid. Also definetly Dbs best scene was Buu pushing the Spirit Bomb back.

3. The fact that no person alive could beat him and that Goku who wanted the next gen to fight evil for now ended it. The way I thought he should.

4. Gotenks fight was funny and back to the comedy of early Db and Dr.slump like how Piccolo thought he was done and Gotenks was trying to be dramatic.

5. volume 42 also has my favorite pages ever in a manga. The part is when Vegeta is saying how he can never beat Goku and how he's the best. During the whole thing Goku is fighting Buu and it's funny how the pictures over his speech are funny and so un-serious.

Also Gt wasn't bad. I wanted to see something like how using the dragonballs over and over would be. Plus 17 is my favorite charecter so that was cool.

Hinscher

Feel Like I'm kinda Hating on ya here lol.
@sasuke6000:

I liked the BUU arc the best for like 5/6 reasons.

1. Cell's arc to me was a bad ending. Goku dies, Vegeta is nice for once, Gohan ends the story? Thats dumb for the non main character to end a story. I also felt that many things should be continued. Also knowing that young Trunks was born made me want to see him older.

Most is opinion for you so no comment, but technically we did get to see how Trunks was when he was older. Or was that Future Trunks totally slip your mind?
@sasuke6000:

2. The way how there was many buu forms was entertaining. The funniest part was how the strongest one was the little kid. Also definetly Dbs best scene was Buu pushing the Spirit Bomb back.

Kid Buu was not the strongest. He was just the most dangerous. The others had a sort of conscious you could say. Kid Buu just destroyed everything and was just a killing machine, thus more dangerous.

Perfect example is Bounties in One Piece. Dragon is the most dangerous/wanted man in the world. He is not the strongest. Well he could be, but still bounty does not equal STR.

Or you could say if you met Luffy in real life and Bellamy in real life. Who would you be more scared of. Who is more dangerous to you.
@sasuke6000:

3. The fact that no person alive could beat him and that Goku who wanted the next gen to fight evil for now ended it. The way I thought he should.

Isn't this exacly how the ending of the Cell saga was. Goku leaving it for his son to be the hero and watch over the earth. Only thing was he died in Cell and not in Buu.
@sasuke6000:

4. Gotenks fight was funny and back to the comedy of early Db and Dr.slump like how Piccolo thought he was done and Gotenks was trying to be dramatic.

I agree that was nice to have some comedy back. Was what made dragonball so much better than DBZ.
@sasuke6000:

5. volume 42 also has my favorite pages ever in a manga. The part is when Vegeta is saying how he can never beat Goku and how he's the best. During the whole thing Goku is fighting Buu and it's funny how the pictures over his speech are funny and so un-serious.

I feel like that whole thing was already done before. When Vegeta was in his dying moments during the Frieza arc, he recognized Goku and also wanted him to defeat Frieza for the saiyans and for what Frieza made Vegeta into. I thought that was way more emotional.

King_Ty

I sorta dont like the Frieza arc…i do but i like it the least out of all of them (runs for cover)

I sorta wish Omega Shenron was canon and was the final saga though. What better to end it, by having the Dragonballs come to beat you up, because you used them to much...

That was the only arc (with Super 17) that i liked in GT

Sandai Mera

@King_Ty:

I sorta wish Omega Shenron was canon and was the final saga though. What better to end it, by having the Dragonballs come to beat you up, because you used them to much…

That was the only arc (with Super 17) that i liked in GT

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Lord Starfish

@Hinscher:

I feel like that whole thing was already done before. When Vegeta was in his dying moments during the Frieza arc, he recognized Goku and also wanted him to defeat Frieza for the saiyans and for what Frieza made Vegeta into. I thought that was way more emotional.

That was so totally NOT the reason. He simply hated Freeza for hurting his PRIDE.
@Goku:

I understand. It wasn't that your fellow Saiyans had been killed that was rough on you- Having to do as he told you must have been worse than anything you could stand. I hated you so much… but you had your Saiyan pride. And now I too will share in some of that pride of yours. I am a Saiyan raised on Earth! For all the Saiyans who were killed by you... as well as for all the Namekians here... I am going to beat you!

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