About what shanks and garp said and asura

[psolaras]

well this thread is about solving every issue on the air the past 2 months,abut the yonkou and garp saying they are the greatest pirates,about shank's scar,about BB vs shanks,BB vs WB and about asura

first about the yonkou

garp said the yonkou are the greatest pirates but most people use that as an argument about the yonkou being stronger than the schichibukai and others don't accept it as a statement since the powers are equal

but there isn't nothing to accept,oda said it so it's true and the yonkou are equal to the schichibukai cuz greatest pirate doesn't mean strongest,roger was the greatest pirate,the PK but he wasn't the strongest,WB was his equal

so he was considered the greatest pirate though he wasn't stronger than everyone,this is also the answer to the yonkou and the schichibukai being equal though the yonkou are considered the greatest pirates
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proper translation
Garp: Among the countless masses of pirates in the world,
he is one of the four greatest, along with the infamous Whitebeard, that dwell in the latter half of the Grand Line.
These pirates, who rule above all others almost as an emperor does,
are called the Four Emperors, or Yonko!!!
It is only Marine Headquarters and the Seven Armed Seas that can withstand their might!!
These "Three Great Powers" form a precarious balance that keeps the world from destruction, lest it fall.[/hide]

now about shanks and his scar

we all know that the scar was made by BB and shanks said it was no cheap shot or taken by suprise,so BB did it fair and square but shanks had the scar 10 years ago in luffy's village and he didn't have it in roger's execution 22 years ago when he was 15 but also shanks had that scar in his flag so that means he had before he created his crew

now BB didn't do the scar when he was on WB's ship (he said he was for decades,that means at least 20 years) since WB would have known,just like he knew about shanks losing his arm and even more since BB was his nakama when he fought such an important pirate someone would have told him

all these lead to the fact that shanks got his scar when he was extremely young and still developing though BB was weaker then too and we also don't know who won or how the battle involved so we can't know if BB is stronger than shanks now or not,though BB didn't have the fruit when he fought shanks since ace said BB was his subordinate and ace went to sea 3 years ago

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proper translation
Shanks: This one was no mark of adventure.
It did not come at the hands of Hawk-Eyes…
This scar was given to me
by YOUR man, "Blackbeard" Teach...!!
And it was not a cheap blow taken by surprise.[/hide]

now about the thing shanks said to WB about BB coming to steal his spot

that doesn't mean BB can beat WB,if he could he wouldn't run,BB isn't in the new world,he is seeking for a big worth rookie like luffy that can give him a schichibukai position,if he went to the new world to find one big pirate he might found a higly ranked marine or a schichibukai or a yonkou so he wants to become a schichibukai the first two won't attack him and the third would be stopped by the WG in the sake of the world peace

so BB wants to go the new world with no worries in his head,i am not saying he is weak,he is a powerhouse but he isn't the strongest and he sure will be one of the strongest schichibukai but again he isn't the strongest in the world
and he can't surpass WB,he can get a bigger crew that he can secretly command but he can't surpass WB
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proper translation
Do you understand what I'm saying, Whitebeard?!
He was waiting for his chance… He didn't take a captain's position, he didn't take the fame.
He was spending all of his time hiding in the shadow of your name!!!
And when he gained his power... he struck.
Ultimately, he will seek the very top.
Of his OWN will!!
Eventually, he will even come to steal YOUR position!!

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and lastly about asura

asura is just an attack,it was 9 swords style,demon ki,asura like 1 sword style,lion's song.what is their differance? the demon ki,that is zoro's "upgrade",his spirit got so strong that it can project images,like shanks spirit made people faint,zoro is on the first stage while shanks and mihawk propably are on the last

zoro also did the onigiri attacke altered with spirit when he was inside the courthouse and his swords seem as they were benting and a devil's image was above him

so zoro in the future will do other attacks charged with his spirit force but he won't do any other attacks with 9 swords except of asura

[hide] Kaku:
and some proper translation:
{The same demon again…!!! Is he able to conjure these illusions solely through spirit...?!!}
Impressive!
But too late!!

and zoro's sword "benting"

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ATTENTION

i don't want this to be locked due to offtopicness so mihawk vs WB or BB can be discussed,like zoro and luffy being equals,like shanks vs mihawk and everything that has something to do with either the marines or the schichibukai or the yonkou or the final oponents of the SH

since all these are close to the above issues

so nothing is off-topic!!! discuss everything you want!!!

EDIT: this thread is now a giant argument over whether Luffy = Zoro based off of a simple chart in a data book where Oda said updated by request

Captain: Luffy D. Monkey*
Attributes-
Adventuresome: 6
Strength: 6
Intelligence: 1
Dexterity: 1
Fashion Sense: 1
Curiosity: 6

Swordsman: Zoro Roronoa
Attributes-
Adventuresome: 3
Strength: 6
Intelligence: 2
Dexterity: 4
Fashion Sense: 2
Curiosity: 3

prepared to not only be awed and amazed at how much information can be sucked from the marrow of a simple number, but how it can be turned into over 20 pages of debate!!!!1

[Phenomenol]

Wow, What a great post…..alot of thought has been into this post.

first about the yonkou

I agree they are said to be the greatest pirates but that does NOT mean the Shichibukai are NOT Great pirates.

but also shanks had that scar in his flag so that means he had before he created his crew all these lead to the fact that shanks got his scar when he was extremely young and still developing.

This is speculation though, Shanks flag was FIRST shown when he was at luffy's village and he was 27 years old! Who is to say that Blackbeard did NOT tagg him before Fusha village? Also Shanks going to Whitebeard letting him know that Blackbeard Whalloped him seems like an event when Shansk was possibly at his best, otherwise it would be irrelevant for Shanks to tell whitebeard about the Gash that Blackbeard gave him, because he gave it to a little kid? come on…Blackbeard obviously gave him that gash when Shansk was at his best otherwise why would Shanks BASE Blackbeards power off of that? Shanks even fears that Blackbeard can DISRUPT the balance of the world based on his power.

and he can't surpass WB,he can get a bigger crew that he can secretly command but he can't surpass WB

At this point since we have NOT seen Whitebeards powers and he is sTATED to be the Strongest…...we have to beleive that statement. Remember Whitebeard right now is going head up wit ha guy that Blackbeard ALREADY went head up with. I don't beleive right now Blackbeard can take Whitebeard's spot and I beleive Blackbeard knows this. He needs protection from the Shichibukai to accomplish his goal.

so zoro in the future will do other attacks charged with his spirit force but he won't do any other attacks with 9 swords except of asura

Agreed! It seems that all of the swordsman has shown skill and power involving their spirit! Shanks and Zoro have dispalyed this!

[psolaras]

@Phenomenol:

Wow, What a great post…..alot of thought has been into this post.

[hide]well thanks,phenomenal can you feel it? this is again our thread to debate!! i hated just like you i missed the thread killers issue but let's talk![/hide]

I agree they are said to be the greatest pirates but that does NOT mean the Shichibukai are NOT Great pirates.

they are great pirates and equal to the yonkou in power but the one piece world consider the ynkou as greatest pirates

This is speculation though, Shanks flag was FIRST shown when he was at luffy's village and he was 27 years old! Who is to say that Blackbeard did NOT tagg him before Fusha village? Also Shanks going to Whitebeard letting him know that Blackbeard Whalloped him seems like an event when Shansk was possibly at his best, otherwise it would be irrelevant for Shanks to tell whitebeard about the Gash that Blackbeard gave him, because he gave it to a little kid? come on…Blackbeard obviously gave him that gash when Shansk was at his best otherwise why would Shanks BASE Blackbeards power off of that? Shanks even fears that Blackbeard can DISRUPT the balance of the world based on his power.

well to avoid spamming i explained why shanks was young when he got that scar but so was BB,maybe BB has 5 years differance with shanks but he was still developing like shanks,maybe he was on a bigger level

so shanks knew that BB would become a serious powerhouse in the future but he didn't know what he was aiming for and when he heard about ace he had to warn WB about ace being in danger

but isn't it weird? let's say shanks can cut elements,how did he know BB would beat ace since he didn't know his DF?

[WHITEBEARD]

Great thread!

The powers are equal.

I also agree with ya about Zoro and his demon Ki.

[psolaras]

@WHITEBEARD:

Great thread!

The powers are equal.

I also agree with ya about Zoro and his demon Ki.

thanks! let's talk one piece!

[Phenomenol]

@psolaras:

[hide]well thanks,phenomenal can you feel it? this is again our thread to debate!! i hated just like you i missed the thread killers issue but let's talk![/hide]

LOL! great job…..

they are great pirates and equal to the yonkou in power but the one piece world consider the ynkou as greatest pirates

Agreed!!!

but isn't it weird? let's say shanks can cut elements,how did he know BB would beat ace since he didn't know his DF?

Yeah it is weird, my guess that Shanks knew Blackbeard was going to beat Ace from the mere fact that Blackbeard was able to Whallop Shanks in a fair fight. I guess Shanks is letting you know how Powerful he is also, not just Blackbeard.

[XKyubbi]

hm….well zoro can project illusions with his spirit...then Shanks and White beard probably can as well...and if they're at the last step...imagine the illusions they can project...

[SabZ]

I don't understand what you mean when you say Blackbeard "can't surpass Whitebeard". Whitebeard is only human, surely he won't be the strongest forever.

Also, Shanks probably realised that Blackbeard had gained the yami yami no mi fruit, and is now shitting it because he knows Blackbeard must be much more powerful than he was before.

[psolaras]

@$abZ:

I don't understand what you mean when you say Blackbeard "can't surpass Whitebeard". Whitebeard is only human, surely he won't be the strongest forever.

Also, Shanks probably realised that Blackbeard had gained the yami yami no mi fruit, and is now shitting it because he knows Blackbeard must be much more powerful than he was before.

WB and mihawk both have the world's titles,why cuz they will be the most important opponents to luffy and zoro

even if luffy faces coby as an admiral or dragon who has taken an oportunity to topple the WG due to an OP world war faces luffy,all these won't have more meaning than luffy vs WB since this way luffy will be the strongest in the world and he would also have surpassed roger! the previous PK! since WB was roger's equal

and zoro will have been the world's strongest SM and you know zoro always fights the 2nd strongest so who do you think make the schichibukai equal to the yonkou when there exists WB??? is it mihawk?? is it that since zoro and luffy are equal,there final opponents will be very close to each other?

[SabZ]

@psolaras:

WB and mihawk both have the world's titles,why cuz they will be the most important opponents to luffy and zoro

even if luffy faces coby as an admiral or dragon who has taken an oportunity to topple the WG due to an OP world war faces luffy,all these won't have more meaning than luffy vs WB since this way luffy will be the strongest in the world and he would also have surpassed roger! the previous PK! since WB was roger's equal

No. Whitebeard isn't in perfect condition. Do you think Luffy will fight some guy who isn't at his best, thus not being on Gold Roger's level? Plus, do you think Luffy will fight someone who is so much older than himself?

Blackbeard will surpass Whitebeard, hinted by Shanks. Shanks is warning Whitebeard that he may come for his title. To do that, he needs to be stronger or equal to Whitebeard.

[WHITEBEARD]

No. Whitebeard isn't in perfect condition. Do you think Luffy will fight some guy who isn't at his best, thus not being on Gold Roger's level? Plus, do you think Luffy will fight someone who is so much older than himself?

Luffy fight people older then him all the time what are you talking about now?????

What makes you say WB not Gold D Rogers equal??????

[psolaras]

@$abZ:

No. Whitebeard isn't in perfect condition. Do you think Luffy will fight some guy who isn't at his best, thus not being on Gold Roger's level? Plus, do you think Luffy will fight someone who is so much older than himself?

Blackbeard will surpass Whitebeard, hinted by Shanks. Shanks is warning Whitebeard that he may come for his title. To do that, he needs to be stronger or equal to Whitebeard.

if BB was stronger or equal to WB why would oda say that WB is the strongest man???

how can BB beat him??? he is in shanks age and propably older so if BB can beat him then why not shanks too???

how can exactly BB become stronger? he can gather more people and other powerhouses close to his level but how can that help him?? if he could take on WB he would go at it!!!

he wants protection as a schichibukai from WB and from the other schichibukai and marines!!!!

and nothing is said about WB getting weaker,he might as well got stronger but due to roger i say he is still on that level

and luffy said to ace that WB is just another man he will fight

also i edited this:

ATTENTION

i don't want this to be locked due to offtopicness so mihawk vs WB or BB can be discussed,like zoro and luffy being equals,like shanks vs mihawk and everything that has something to do with either the marines or the schichibukai or the yonkou or the final oponents of the SH

since all these are close to the above issues

so nothing is off-topic!!! discuss everything you want!!!

so talk about everythink you want!

EDITED:
and shanks didn't tell he will come to take his place he said he will come to steal it! and what is that place? strongest man or future PK since WB is the closest man to OP? can you tell us? no

[WHITEBEARD]

The Marines dont work with and dont like the 7 Gods Of The Sea.

and in vice versa.

[psolaras]

@WHITEBEARD:

The Marines dont work with and dont like the 7 Gods Of The Sea.

and in vice versa.

i know that,i said he won't attacked by schichibukai and marines,that means the marines won't start a war with the shichibukai

and it is clear that in the 3 powers nobody likes each other,the marines don't like the pirates and also the pirates don't like the marines,but both the pirates and the marines don't like the schichibukai,it is clear from what pirate say the ex-pirates that dealed with their enemy are considered as dogs and from what the marines say they think that once a pirate never a pirate

so nobody likes the schichibukai but they also don't give a damn about the other two forces,they have their plans and reasons for doing a deal with the WG and propably they were fighting the yonkou when they were still wanted

[WHITEBEARD]

@psolaras:

i know that

Oh my bad that was amied at anyone who thinks the 7 Gods+Marines=Yonkou.

Wow a thread where we can deabate about it all!

This is better then finding the Anit-Life Equation.

[psolaras]

@WHITEBEARD:

Oh my bad that was amied at anyone who thing the 7 Gods+Marines=Yonkou.

Wow a thread where we cant deabate about it all!

This is better then finding the Anit-Life Equation.

lol,i say let's get dangerous!!!! everything is on topic!!! and give this thread time,fanboys will appear!!!

[tony-kun]

I didnt think the schichibukai were a power.

I mean wouldnt that balance already be broken with the lack of crocodile?

Besides, the schichibukai are just dogs of the marine headquaters who pay money to avoid arrest(why they arent considered pirates) so i didnt think they had any influence.

[WHITEBEARD]

I didnt think the schichibukai were a power.

You dont need to think its stated in the manga. infact look at psolaras quotes.

I mean wouldnt that balance already be broken with the lack of crocodile?

Yea but BB is going to fill that hole.

Besides, the schichibukai are just dogs of the marine headquaters who pay money to avoid arrest(why they arent considered pirates) so i didnt think they had any influence.

They are pirates….......They dont work for the marines if that was the case there will only be 2 powers.

[Hawkeye]

@psolaras:

lol,i say let's get dangerous!!!! everything is on topic!!! and give this thread time,fanboys will appear!!!

A FANBOY HAS COME TO THE RESCUE!!!

Judging at this point and time what level do you think luffy is at who will he be fighinting before he fight WB, BB, Shanks, Doflamingo(just for you WB), or Sengouku?

Personally i think this series isn't even 1/4 done and expect another good 20 years coming.

[CodedTech]

@psolaras:

and lastly about asura

asura is just an attack,it was 9 swords style,demon ki,asura like 1 sword style,lion's song.what is their differance?

I see that as something that would support the argument that it's a style, after he said "Demon Ki: 9 Swords Style: Asura" he said "Asura - Ichigbigun" just like he says "Santoryuu - [attack name]" "Nitoryuu - [attack name]" he even has no-sword attacks, which would imply that Asura is along the lines of the other 3 "forms" due the exact same naming convetion. When he said Asura the first time, he didn't attack, he merely went into that stance (just like say Zoro pulls out his 3 sword if he was fighting with 2 for a time), the attack name was the "Ichibigun" not the Asura, which was the style. Just like Luffy with his "Jet" and "Diable Jump" that always preceded techniques in that form. The Asura seems like the "culmination" of his "Demon-Ki" to me.

[ONEinchPUNCH]

@psolaras:

lol,i say let's get dangerous!!!! everything is on topic!!! and give this thread time,fanboys will appear!!!

You mean the complainers will arrive stating this isn't an intelligent thread?

They will then urge us to create intelligent threads about buggy and brookes long lost relatives. After reuniting those long lost family members, they will then attempt to link lucci and mihawk.

They both have FACIAL HAIR!! they must be related!!!

Well anyway I agree with zoro's demon ki it's only going to get stronger and eventually reach shanks. Although shanks ki doesn't seem demonic, seems more like good (or angel) ki. When zoro reaches that level it may have a more evil effect.

The powers are equal but we know that (apart from a few complainers) so I'm not going to go into detail.

Blackbeard and shanks?

Now this a touchy topic, they had a fight 20 years ago according to your flag info (maybe less if that turns out to be false).

Shanks received a nasty gash and blackbeard has half his teeth missing, a winner is hard to determine.

Now during these 20 years we know shanks has been fighting mihawk, travelling the grandline creating the crew he has today and partying. So it's safe to assume his strength improved drastically.

Blackbeard however has been on whitebeards ship hiding in his shadow, doesn't seem like hard training to me. Now let's say shanks has over taken him in strength due to Blackbeard lieing in wait for his DF. Blackbeard eats his DF and is now back on par with shanks or maybe even stronger.

Now none of that is definite, the only thing that is truly a fact is shanks fears blackbeards strength. So mybe shanks recently met blackbeard with his fruit and knows he has become stronger than shanks himself.

It would also explain how he knew ace couldn't beat him since there is no known logia hitting technique yet (even though there will be).

[psolaras]

@CodedTech:

I see that as something that would support the argument that it's a style, after he said "Demon Ki: 9 Swords Style: Asura" he said "Asura - Ichigbigun" just like he says "Santoryuu - [attack name]" "Nitoryuu - [attack name]" he even has no-sword attacks, which would imply that Asura is along the lines of the other 3 "forms" due the exact same naming convetion. When he said Asura the first time, he didn't attack, he merely went into that stance (just like say Zoro pulls out his 3 sword if he was fighting with 2 for a time), the attack name was the "Ichibigun" not the Asura, which was the style. Just like Luffy with his "Jet" and "Diable Jump" that always preceded techniques in that form. The Asura seems like the "culmination" of his "Demon-Ki" to me.

no,it isn't a style,when zoro did the over powered oni giri inside the court he said yonezu enbima,oni giri.yonezu is the nocturnal animals,the ones that sleep in the day and hunt qat night and enbima is a demon and it was formed from zoro's spirit above him when he used oni giri,that is asura,a projection and it will be used only with that final attack,and that attack propably is attacking with "9" swords and nothing more

asura was a projection as a part f an attack like the enbima demon in the oni giri,it is not a style nor an upgrade

both these forms were created by the demon ki so the demon ki is his upgrade

@Hawkeye:

A FANBOY HAS COME TO THE RESCUE!!!

Judging at this point and time what level do you think luffy is at who will he be fighinting before he fight WB, BB, Shanks, Doflamingo(just for you WB), or Sengouku?

Personally i think this series isn't even 1/4 done and expect another good 20 years coming.

lol i am glad you are on our side now! the "trash makers"

i think one piece is in the middle,they got stronger in the first half of the GL and they will be much strnger when they enter the new world

i think luffy now is on level 3 to 10 if 10 is WB,mihawk,shanks etc

[Hawkeye]

@psolaras:

no,it isn't a style,when zoro did the over powered oni giri inside the court he said yonezu enbima,oni giri.yonezu is the nocturnal animals,the ones that sleep in the day and hunt qat night and enbima is a demon and it was formed from zoro's spirit above him when he used oni giri,that is asura,a projection and it will be used only with that final attack,and that attack propably is attacking with "9" swords and nothing more

asura was a projection as a part f an attack like the enbima demon in the oni giri,it is not a style nor an upgrade

both these forms were created by the demon ki so the demon ki is his upgrade

lol i am glad you are on our side now! the "trash makers"

i think one piece is in the middle,they got stronger in the first half of the GL and they will be much strnger when they enter the new world

i think luffy now is on level 3 to 10 if 10 is WB,mihawk,shanks etc

ehh Maybe lever 4? level 4/10 and level 11 is PK!!!!! YA US TRASHMAKERS!!! WB's SIG SHOULD SAY Debater's/Trashmaker's= Mods= Complainers

[tony-kun]

@WHITEBEARD:

You dont need to think its stated in the manga. infact look at psolaras quotes.

Yea but BB is going to fill that hole.

They are pirates….......They dont work for the marines if that was the case there will only be 2 powers.
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Yes, I said they were pirates, but they arent considered pirates by other pirates due to their bribing basically of the marines.

The one thing I dont get is that "unbalance" thing. Most of the Schichibukai and judging by the whitebeard and shanks meeting, yonkou act independently. So I wouldnt think of the other 2 as organizations as much as they share a title only for their strength.

Ill let Oda deal with the story tho.

Btw, just because the manga says something, doesnt mean it makes sense. Im allowed to think for myself and try to figure out how things work based on what was shown in the past with these "groups" Vs. waht we are told now. All I was sayin was that it doesnt add up really. Ill see where it goes tho.

[psolaras]

@ONEinchPUNCH:

You mean the complainers will arrive stating this isn't an intelligent thread?

They will then urge us to create intelligent threads about buggy and brookes long lost relatives. After reuniting those long lost family members, they will then attempt to link lucci and mihawk.

They both have FACIAL HAIR!! they must be related!!!

why haven't i thought of that!!!

Well anyway I agree with zoro's demon ki it's only going to get stronger and eventually reach shanks. Although shanks ki doesn't seem demonic, seems more like good (or angel) ki. When zoro reaches that level it may have a more evil effect.

The powers are equal but we know that (apart from a few complainers) so I'm not going to go into detail.

Blackbeard and shanks?

Now this a touchy topic, they had a fight 20 years ago according to your flag info (maybe less if that turns out to be false).

Shanks received a nasty gash and blackbeard has half his teeth missing, a winner is hard to determine.

Now during these 20 years we know shanks has been fighting mihawk, travelling the grandline creating the crew he has today and partying. So it's safe to assume his strength improved drastically.

Blackbeard however has been on whitebeards ship hiding in his shadow, doesn't seem like hard training to me. Now let's say shanks has over taken him in strength due to Blackbeard lieing in wait for his DF. Blackbeard eats his DF and is now back on par with shanks or maybe even stronger.

Now none of that is definite, the only thing that is truly a fact is shanks fears blackbeards strength. So mybe shanks recently met blackbeard with his fruit and knows he has become stronger than shanks himself.

It would also explain how he knew ace couldn't beat him since there is no known logia hitting technique yet (even though there will be).

well shanks couldn't have met BB since BB is on the first part of the GL as ace said and shanks is on the new world but you are right in some points

and i know that a technique to hit logia exist,there is no logic to a theory that a mere trash like cabaji could eat a logia fruit and defeat hawk eyes or WB and sea stone is cheating for the top dogs so i think there is a way to hit them,since sanji can light fire in his legs everything is possible!!!

also how many people do you think can hit logia?? i say since aokiji,the strongest admiral is logia,only sengoku must know it from the marines,mihawk and WB from the pirates and maybe shanks and anther select phew

but BB not knowing a technique like this makes me sceptical for his comparison with shanks

[WHITEBEARD]

Yes, I said they were pirates, but they arent considered pirates by other pirates due to their bribing basically of the marines.

Dont you mean the WG????

The one thing I dont get is that "unbalance" thing. Most of the Schichibukai and judging by the whitebeard and shanks meeting, yonkou act independently. So I wouldnt think of the other 2 as organizations as much as they share a title only for their strength.

Yea the 7 Gods dont work together, I see what your saying.

Btw, just because the manga says something, doesnt mean it makes sense. Im allowed to think for myself and try to figure out how things work based on what was shown in the past with these "groups" Vs. waht we are told now. All I was sayin was that it doesnt add up really. Ill see where it goes tho.

Ok

ONEinchpunch thats the best sig on this forum and it 100% truth! also

[CodedTech]

@psolaras:

no,it isn't a style,when zoro did the over powered oni giri inside the court he said yonezu enbima,oni giri.yonezu is the nocturnal animals,the ones that sleep in the day and hunt qat night and enbima is a demon and it was formed from zoro's spirit above him when he used oni giri,that is asura,a projection and it will be used only with that final attack,and that attack propably is attacking with "9" swords and nothing more.

With the Yonezu Enmbina Onigiri, it was jus that. With the Asura he first said "Demon Ki Nine Sword Style: Asura" then before doing a move he said "Asura: Ichibugin", the first time, he didn't do any "Ichibugin" or an attack, he went into that form, then he said it again before doing the "Ichibugin" attack like he usually says the type of form before the technique. Otherwise, why repeat it twice?

asura was a projection as a part f an attack like the enbima demon in the oni giri,it is not a style nor an upgrade

both these forms were created by the demon ki so the demon ki is his upgrade

You could say Luffy couldn't do Soru without having superior speed, he used the Soru in Gear 2, the upgrade is Gear 2, despite whatever prequisite that was neccessary, not the improvement in those areas.

[ONEinchPUNCH]

@psolaras:

why haven't i thought of that!!!

well shanks couldn't have met BB since BB is on the first part of the GL as ace said and shanks is on the new world but you are right in some points

Well shanks hasn't been confirmed only be in the new world, he's a party animal I think he travels everywhere.

Also didn't he give whitebeard sake from his hometown? Now he's either had that giant jar all this time just in case he wanted to talk to whitebeard or he went to his hometown to get some.

Shanks doesn't seem the type to save sake especially if he considered that one his personal favourite.

and i know that a technique to hit logia exist,there is no logic to a theory that a mere trash like cabaji could eat a logia fruit and defeat hawk eyes or WB and sea stone is cheating for the top dogs so i think there is a way to hit them,since sanji can light fire in his legs everything is possible!!!

Agreed

also how many people do you think can hit logia?? i say since aokiji,the strongest admiral is logia,only sengoku must know it from the marines,mihawk and WB from the pirates and maybe shanks and anther select phew

Most big timers should be able to, some may use seastone though (I doubt whitebeard, mihawk, shanks need seastone though and blackbeard well he definitly doesn't)

but BB not knowing a technique like this makes me sceptical for his comparison with shanks

He doen't need it anymore but if he didn't have a fruit I'd go with him having one.

You see if he was already as strong/stronger than shanks without that fruit, he would now be twice as strong. Just seems a bit over-powered to me, but hey anything is possible.

EDIT. haha cheers WHITEBEARD, I still prefer yours though. It's just so identical to the manga's 3 powers and TRUE!!

[psolaras]

@CodedTech:

With the Yonezu Enmbina Onigiri, it was jus that. With the Asura he first said "Demon Ki Nine Sword Style: Asura" then before doing a move he said "Asura: Ichibugin", the first time, he didn't do any "Ichibugin" or an attack, he went into that form, then he said it again before doing the "Ichibugin" attack like he usually says the type of form before the technique. Otherwise, why repeat it twice?

You could say Luffy couldn't do Soru without having superior speed, he used the Soru in Gear 2, the upgrade is Gear 2, despite whatever prequisite that was neccessary, not the improvement in those areas.

asura was just a frm a devil made by his demon ki,nothing more

also your theory on zoro saying asura twice being an evidence is a style is wrong since he hasn't said any attack twice

he took the asura form first and when he made his attack it ha said asura ichibigun like he said enbima onigiri and this ends the discussion

@ONEinchPUNCH:

You see if he was already as strong/stronger than shanks without that fruit, he would now be twice as strong. Just seems a bit over-powered to me, but hey anything is possible.

well i hope you aren't considering the false translation which said he absorbs something and throws it x2 cuz he didn't absorb and throw any of ace's flames

and i think his fruit gives him an advantage with sucking things and negating DF powers but all is done afterwards by his physical strenght

also how did he do the scar to shanks?? i say there is the possibility of BB showing us he normal form while he may have some upgrades like luffy's gears

[psolaras]

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[FireFistAce 0]

@WHITEBEARD:

The Marines dont work with and dont like the 7 Gods Of The Sea.

and in vice versa.

Yes, they do. Well, the working part. It's common knowledge they don't like each other.

But they have the same boss, they hold meetings together, they're allies.

For day to day affairs, they don't work together or even get along with each other. But if really bad shit goes down (AKA a war), then they DO work together.

In terms of strength, the powers are equal. But the Yonkou are Greater Pirates than the Shichibukai (Stated, can't debate this, sorry).

I still hate how you think that Shanks got the hell beat out of him or he got "destroyed" or crap like that. He didn't. Blackbeard got one blow in on him. That's nothing to make a big deal over. We don't know the outcome or the circumstances of that battle. I suggest you wait and find out.

[ONEinchPUNCH]

@psolaras:

well i hope you aren't considering the false translation which said he absorbs something and throws it x2 cuz he didn't absorb and throw any of ace's flames

It's actually a fake spoiler and no I didn't even mention it.

and i think his fruit gives him an advantage with sucking things and negating DF powers but all is done afterwards by his physical strenght

Against shanks this part is not important so lets skip this.

also how did he do the scar to shanks?? i say there is the possibility of BB showing us he normal form while he may have some upgrades like luffy's gears

Ok now picture this.

Blackbeards fighting ability is on par or better than shanks without a fruit. Now add the DF and he becomes far more powerful than shanks.

E.g While fighting on par with shanks he decides to use his DF to have objects constantly being thrown at shanks. He could also have the ground around shanks colapse and distort gravity itself.

Now if shanks is on par with Blackbeard without a DF, he would be using all his strength to block and counter. That means if Blackbeard were to throw all those objects at shanks, he would have to block those as well.

Now if he is on par with blackbeard blocking all those objects would allow blackbeard an opening causing shanks to lose.

Now do you understand what I'm saying?

[CodedTech]

@psolaras:

asura was just a frm a devil made by his demon ki,nothing more

also your theory on zoro saying asura twice being an evidence is a style is wrong since he hasn't said any attack twice

he took the asura form first and when he made his attack it ha said asura ichibigun like he said enbima onigiri and this ends the discussion

He didn't say Embina twice. He said Asura twice.

One
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Two
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He also started to transform before in this flury attacks when he began to overwhelm Kaku.
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/3466/onepiecec417p15es5.png
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/7799/onepiecec417p16gw8.png

Only Once.
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[WHITEBEARD]

Yes, they do. Well, the working part. It's common knowledge they don't like each other.

read Ocean's text of the grand times or phenom's.

But they have the same boss, they hold meetings together, they're allies.

Again grand times.

For day to day affairs, they don't work together or even get along with each other. But if really bad shit goes down (AKA a war), then they DO work together.

Again all the powers are equal if the 7 Gods worked with the Marines say bye bye to the Yonkou.

In terms of strength, the powers are equal. But the Yonkou are Greater Pirates than the Shichibukai (Stated, can't debate this, sorry).

So your point is???

I still hate how you think that Shanks got the hell beat out of him or he got "destroyed" or crap like that. He didn't. Blackbeard got one blow in on him. That's nothing to make a big deal over. We don't know the outcome or the circumstances of that battle. I suggest you wait and find out.

Shanks is the one makeing the "BIG DEAL" over it! crying to Whitebeard???

The powers are 7 Gods = Yonkou= Marines…...just like my sig.

[psolaras]

@CodedTech:

He didn't say Embina twice. He said Asura twice.

One
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Two
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/6084/onepiecec417p1819lr1.png

He also started to transform before in this flury attacks when he began to overwhelm Kaku.
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/3466/onepiecec417p15es5.png
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/7799/onepiecec417p16gw8.png

Only Once.
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/8616/onepiecev40189nullck0.png

first of all i didn't say he said enbima twice and who cares if he said it 50 times? it is my way,asura is like enbima

i won't answer another post like this cuz it will be considered as spamming,sorry

@ONEinchPUNCH:

@psolaras:

Ok now picture this.

Blackbeards fighting ability is on par or better than shanks without a fruit. Now add the DF and he becomes far more powerful than shanks.

E.g While fighting on par with shanks he decides to use his DF to have objects constantly being thrown at shanks. He could also have the ground around shanks colapse and distort gravity itself.

Now if shanks is on par with Blackbeard without a DF, he would be using all his strength to block and counter. That means if Blackbeard were to throw all those objects at shanks, he would have to block those as well.

Now if he is on par with blackbeard blocking all those objects would allow blackbeard an opening causing shanks to lose.

Now do you understand what I'm saying?

i can picture it but let's wait and see oda stating more,my speculation is that shanks is stronger

[FireFistAce 0]

@WHITEBEARD:

read Ocean's text of the grand times or phenom's.

Again grand times.

Grand Times is NOT THE MANGA. I only go by what the manga says. PERIOD. Sorry.

Again all the powers are equal if the 7 Gods worked with the Marines say bye bye to the Yonkou.

Assume away, but you have no evidence until something actually happens.

So your point is???

That the Yonkou are better in everything else.

Shanks is the one makeing the "BIG DEAL" over it! crying to Whitebeard???

Whitebeard was crying about his wound to Shanks first. And if you understood anything, Shanks was using his wound for emphasis to support his case for recalling Ace. But I don't suppose you'd understand what emphasis is…

The powers are 7 Gods = Yonkou= Marines…...just like my sig.

In Power only. It was said right then and there that the Yonkou are the GREATEST PIRATES. Shichibukai are still pirates, so the Yonkou are greater than them.

[WHITEBEARD]

Grand Times is NOT THE MANGA. I only go by what the manga says. PERIOD. Sorry.

Grand times is going off the same info from the manga….......your point???

Canon kills your fanboyish opinions

Assume away, but you have no evidence until something actually happens.

Well the powers are equal. 7 Gods = Yonkou = Marines

That the Yonkou are better in everything else.

How do you know?????? I dont think your a Yonkou fanboy.
Are you?????

Whitebeard was crying about his wound to Shanks first. And if you understood anything, Shanks was using his wound for emphasis to support his case for recalling Ace. But I don't suppose you'd understand what emphasis is…

Shanks was still making a "Big deal' over his gash.

In Power only. It was said right then and there that the Yonkou are the GREATEST PIRATES. Shichibukai are still pirates, so the Yonkou are greater than them.

7 Gods equal Yonkou just like the Marines equal Yonkou.

The powers are equal.

[ONEinchPUNCH]

@Fire Fist:

Grand Times is NOT THE MANGA. I only go by what the manga says. PERIOD. Sorry.

Their info came from the manga!!

In Power only. It was said right then and there that the Yonkou are the GREATEST PIRATES. Shichibukai are still pirates, so the Yonkou are greater than them.

Yonkou greatest in the latter half of the Grandline, Oceans post stresses this point.

I like it how you conviniently leave out important pieces of information

[psolaras]

thank god i predicted all this!!!!! discuss people!!!!

[Pants-eater]

All three of them are equal.

Though if two were to group up and gang up on the remainder, then of course the gang would win.

[WHITEBEARD]

@Pants-eater:

All three of them are equal.

Though if two were to group up and gang up on the remainder, then of course the gang would win.

Thanks for your Logic Pants eater.

Well the 7 Gods need another member.

You can be happy about that FFA.

[Pants-eater]

In the situation I have presented, the larger group would win since 2>1.

HYPOTHETICAL #1:

M = 1 power
S = 1 power
Y = 2 power

We are not asumming S and M will work together.

Y>M
Y>S

This means the Yonkou can defeat the marines or the Schichibukai. This I disagree with.

HYPOTHETICAL #2:

M = 2
S = 2
Y = 1

We are assuming there is the possibility of S and M working together.

S+M>Y
M>Y
S>Y

In this case, the pairing is not needed except to quicken the process or reduce the loss.

(lol S&M)

HYPOTHETICAL #3:

M = 1
S = 1
Y = 1

We are assuming as before.

M+S>Y
M = Y
S = Y

This one seems the fairest for me.

HYPOTHETICAL #4:

M = 1
S = 1
Y = 1

We are assuming S and M can work together.

S+M>Y
M = Y
Y = M

[Hyper Dingo]

Food for thought.

Strength is important. But how you use it is much more important. You could be the WORLDS STORNGEST Man and it would mean nothing if you lacked the compacity to use it skillfully. But this is irrelevant so far being that almost every God of the Sea we've seen in combat have proven that they're not only strong but skilled as well.

The only person i'm kinda in doubt of is Don Flamingo. With such a power I wonder if he relies on it way to much. I'd like to see if he uses weapons other than people. And actually hope when and if they face him Its pretty much a forced Nakama VS Nakama scenario.

Time and Oda will tell. Its fun to speculate and share your opinion. But we should leave it at that.

[psolaras]

@WHITEBEARD:

Thanks for your Logic Pants eater.

Well the 7 Gods need another member.

You can be happy about that FFA.

so you are saying to form an alliance like the 7 gods of debating?

i am on to that!

so the 7 gods are me,u,phenom,FFA,OiP but the other 2??:sad:

[FireFistAce 0]

@WHITEBEARD:

Grand times is going off the same info from the manga….......your point???

Canon kills your fanboyish opinions

Quit saying stuff like this or they'll take your right to the word away again. :-3

Grand times is going off info from the manga. Okay. But it wasn't written by Oda. Just because Oda approved it doesn't mean much. Apis Arc?

Well the powers are equal. 7 Gods = Yonkou = Marines

How do you know?????? I dont think your a Yonkou fanboy.
Are you?????

Shanks was still making a "Big deal' over his gash.

Yeah, I didn't think you'd know what emphasis is. Emphasis means you're pointing out something to prove a point. In Shanks' case, he was pointing out to Whitebeard that Blackbeard is dangerous if he could do that to him, a Yonkou.

Besides, Whitebeard made a big deal about his scar, too.

7 Gods equal Yonkou just like the Marines equal Yonkou.

7 gods are missing a guy. They don't equal anyone right now.

The powers are equal.

In POWER only. The Yonkou are the "World's Greatest Pirates", and I'm gonna go on a limb and suggest that the Marines (Being a military force) are a helluva lot more organized than seven guys with sticks up their asses (Shichibukai) or big-name pirates (Yonkou).

[psolaras]

@Fire Fist:

Quit saying stuff like this or they'll take your right to the word away again. :-3

Grand times is going off info from the manga. Okay. But it wasn't written by Oda. Just because Oda approved it doesn't mean much. Apis Arc?

Well the powers are equal. 7 Gods = Yonkou = Marines

How do you know?????? I dont think your a Yonkou fanboy.
Are you?????

Yeah, I didn't think you'd know what emphasis is. Emphasis means you're pointing out something to prove a point. In Shanks' case, he was pointing out to Whitebeard that Blackbeard is dangerous if he could do that to him, a Yonkou.

Besides, Whitebeard made a big deal about his scar, too.

7 gods are missing a guy. They don't equal anyone right now.

In POWER only. The Yonkou are the "World's Greatest Pirates", and I'm gonna go on a limb and suggest that the Marines (Being a military force) are a helluva lot more organized than seven guys with sticks up their asses (Shichibukai) or big-name pirates (Yonkou).

so ace you are accepting that they are equal in power?

[FireFistAce 0]

@psolaras:

so ace you are accepting that they are equal in power?

Power ONLY. Marines are better organized than the other two, Yonkou are better pirates. Even if the Shichibukai are as strong as the other two, they're still sellouts.

[WHITEBEARD]

Quit saying stuff like this or they'll take your right to the word away again. :-3

LOL what happened to freedom of speech?????

Grand times is going off info from the manga. Okay. But it wasn't written by Oda. Just because Oda approved it doesn't mean much. Apis Arc?

Its info from the manga.

Well the powers are equal. 7 Gods = Yonkou = Marines

We have come to terms.

Yeah, I didn't think you'd know what emphasis is. Emphasis means you're pointing out something to prove a point. In Shanks' case, he was pointing out to Whitebeard that Blackbeard is dangerous if he could do that to him, a Yonkou. Besides, Whitebeard made a big deal about his scar, too.

Not really WB just called rogers an bastard or ass hole and left it at that.

7 gods are missing a guy. They don't equal anyone right now.

Yea but BB is going to fill that hole, And what a big hole it is to fill.

In POWER only. The Yonkou are the "World's Greatest Pirates", and I'm gonna go on a limb and suggest that the Marines (Being a military force) are a helluva lot more organized than seven guys with sticks up their asses (Shichibukai) or big-name pirates (Yonkou).

OK…..............you see its not so bad is it???

Sellout?????? They are pirates not holy men.

[Pants-eater]

Marines are organised, the Yonkou do whatever they want and the Schichibukai are unscrupulous.

Actually, it is like that for every side except in different amounts.

EDIT:

I think it would make things clearer if people stated which hypothetical they believe in. I think it's number 3.

[FireFistAce 0]

@WHITEBEARD:

LOL what happened to freedom of speech?????

I was kidding.

Its info from the manga.

My point is, unless it comes from Oda's mouth, they'll make mistakes. Oda approved the Apis arc, but Zoro cut steel chains in the Apis arc, making it look stupid when he had to "Learn to cut steel" while fighting Mr 1.

We have come to terms.

I didn't meant to quote that, but whatever. Only in Power, like I've said before.

Not really WB just called rogers an bastard or ass hole and left it at that.

Not to mention the whole fact that Shanks had to bring him special sake from West Blue to help his wounds.

Yea but BB is going to fill that hole, And what a big hole it is to fill.

That's the plan. For all we know, the WG could reject his application.

Sellout?????? They are pirates not holy men.

That doesn't change the fact they made a deal with the government. Are you familiar with the whole reason the Protestant church was formed? I can't remember the exact word, but in exchange for money or valuables, Cardinals and bishops would sell "Sin tickets" to people that absolved them from sin. As long as they kept giving to the church, they were basically promised a seat in heaven.

The Shichibukai are buying their freedom; that is, in exchange for plunder, they're getting carte blanche to do whatever they want. They're basically bribing the WG to get their way. The Yonkou, on the other hand, are not. They're doing piracy and not having to buy their way out of it.

That's why I think they're "Sellouts".