well, but has it ever benn said that the combo attack was enough to beat the pacifista, did they ever say, that they could beat him and that they are going to fight against a second one? if the first pacifista appeard, sanji said, that if it wouldn't be the real one, it would mean that there would be two guys, just as powerful as kuma, so the pacifista they are facing now would be the THIRD one just as powerful as kuma, but the SECOND pacifista they met
Chapter 511 "Sentoumaru and his Broadaxe" Discussion
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"Why would Sanji count the real one from TB when in the very same speach bubble he is talking about another using Lasers instead of the Paw Paw ability?
Can you explain why the Pacifista goes from severely damaged in 509 from the Monster Trio's combination attack to perfect condition in 510?"
Yeah, I'll explain it, Oda made what is commonly referred to in reality as a CONSISTENCY MISTAKE. He does it all the time. Look the Grand Line website's "To Err is ODA" section and you can see a pantheon of inconsistencies.
Also, on the very same page in Chapter 509, Sanji mention there are TWO that strong just after they did their combo attack. He was counting original Kuma there, so why would he not count the original Kuma later when he says there were three? "(Sanji) This guys firing beams from his hands instead of paws AS WELL." This means they only destroyed one. Therefore- Oda = minor mistake.
As for the exhaustedness, I think it goes two ways.
1. People don't give enough credit to the other supernovas. Just because they have lesser bounties doesn't make them weaker. They could have been laying relatively low as compared to Luffy kicking some royal ass a Enies Lobby or even Kidd killing a lot of innocent people. Urouge is probably just as strong as Luffy is, but he doesn't have the same "I'm going to kick your ass" mentality that other crews have (i.e. SH).2. If you were shot in the shoulder by a beam, I'd say you're in deep shit. But although Drake and Urouge both looked fairly battle ready, how many hits had that Kuma taken? You forget the SH had to use their strongest individual moves and their strongest combo moves to take that Kuma-bot down. So of course their fuckin tired. They used alot of energy. The others had not really even begun to fight the Kuma bot. They threw a few hits on him, but nowhere near the level of SH's attacks. You aren't comparing apples to apples. Besides, Urouge should be tired because h fought Kuma-bot individually. Just because he smiles alot doesn't mean he's still prime.
Phew. Analyze at your own digression.:happy:
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I'm thinking Kidd and Law were defeated already. I don't see why Kizaru would go after the Straw Hats first, over going after two entire crews.
Au contraire. Luffy was the person who hit the Noble to begin with, Law and Kidd just got dragged into the commotion. Plus, I really hope Law and Kidd aren't THAT weak. I mean, its one Pacifista, right? Luffy's crew of 9 could beat up a Pacifista. Now, Law, Kidd, Bepo, Killer and maybe that Fire Breathing zombie guy are probably top tier on their crews. Not to mention, Drake ALONE was doing well with the Pacifista too. In fact, I think he probably would have beaten it if not for Kizaru. Don't really see a reason why Law and Kidd couldn't take down a Pacifista too.
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"Why would Sanji count the real one from TB when in the very same speach bubble he is talking about another using Lasers instead of the Paw Paw ability?
Can you explain why the Pacifista goes from severely damaged in 509 from the Monster Trio's combination attack to perfect condition in 510?"
Yeah, I'll explain it, Oda made what is commonly referred to in reality as a CONSISTENCY MISTAKE. He does it all the time. Look the Grand Line website's "To Err is ODA" section and you can see a pantheon of inconsistencies.
Also, on the very same page in Chapter 509, Sanji mention there are TWO that strong just after they did their combo attack. He was counting original Kuma there, so why would he not count the original Kuma later when he says there were three? "(Sanji) This guys firing beams from his hands instead of paws AS WELL." This means they only destroyed one. Therefore- Oda = minor mistake.
well, that's what i'm trying to explain all the time :-)
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I posted images of the Pacifista from 509 and the one from the beggining of 510 before they started attacking it.
@Shaman King
Too seriously? This is a forum, a place for discussion, if you don't like doing that then why come here?
Really like to know in what panels you see signs of exhaustion from either fighter, especially Drake.
wow that was kind of funny with the little shaman king joke:getlost: and yeah it is place for discussion but not a place for you to lose your head or take out your anger on people you dont know personally just cause something probably happen to you or your just doing this for your pleasure remember
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Why would Sanji count the real one from TB when in the very same speach bubble he is talking about another using Lasers instead of the Paw Paw ability?
Can you explain why the Pacifista goes from severely damaged in 509 from the Monster Trio's combination attack to perfect condition in 510?
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-509/page005.html
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-510/page009.htmlDrake looked exhausted? He was smiling after he nearly got hit by the laser and seemed in prime condition until Kizaru kicked him in the face.
Urouge looked exhausted? Yeah maybe before he got big but after that I dont' remember too many "pant", "pant", "Huff", "huff" sound effects like the few pages worth devoted to the SH.
well if you consider the ability is from the original Kuma from TB and paw is a mistranslation for pad then it would make sense. Them being damage and not being damage could be a mistake by Oda or various other reason.
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"This guy is firin' beams from his hands instead of paws as well….!!!! Not to dwell on the subject but.....that means this is the third one!!!"
To me, this sounds like Sanji is saying this is the third one that shoots lasers from the hands instead of having paws on his hands.
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Why would Sanji count the real one from TB when in the very same speach bubble he is talking about another using Lasers instead of the Paw Paw ability?
Can you explain why the Pacifista goes from severely damaged in 509 from the Monster Trio's combination attack to perfect condition in 510?
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-509/page005.html
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-510/page009.htmlDrake looked exhausted? He was smiling after he nearly got hit by the laser and seemed in prime condition until Kizaru kicked him in the face.
Urouge looked exhausted? Yeah maybe before he got big but after that I dont' remember too many "pant", "pant", "Huff", "huff" sound effects like the few pages worth devoted to the SH.
yep still confused
if u read the chapter u woyld have seen the kuma bot stand up after the ttrio 600 pound cannon
so it was the same one
also the kuma that attacked is the one that was with kizaru previously not a second kuma bot the crew defeatedin fact kizarus nephew mentions px4 as if it was the only one defeated by the crew n doesn't mention another px bot
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he says: this guy's got beams on his hands instead of paws as well…....!! first bubble
second bubble: not that i want to think about it, but...that means this is a third one!!
what's goin on here?
so, the second one with beams inbstead of paws, and the third one as strong as kuma, in my opinion -
moving past the whole kuma and exhausted pirates thing. do you think that robin should have a shiva technique like it will be opposite to zoro's asura XP
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he says: this guy's got beams on his hands instead of paws as well…....!! first bubble
second bubble: not that i want to think about it, but...that means this is a third one!!
what's goin on here?
so, the second one with beams inbstead of paws, and the third one as strong as kuma, in my opinionwe've seen 3 Kuma bots so far. The one the SHP fought the One that came with sentoumaru and the one that fought drake urogue and Hawkins. All of them have displayed the beam power. So we can come to the conclusion that A there's no difference between the Kuma bots power and B If you see paws referring to Kuma it is Pad and it refers to the Kuma from TB. Paws is a mistranslation
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yep still confused
if u read the chapter u woyld have seen the kuma bot stand up after the ttrio 600 pound cannon
so it was the same one
also the kuma that attacked is the one that was with kizaru previously not a second kuma bot the crew defeatedin fact kizarus nephew mentions px4 as if it was the only one defeated by the crew n doesn't mention another px bot
The first one is an interesting point. After the 600 pound cannon, that Kuma that layed there made creaking noises. Now, that could be interpreted as it creaking as it's about to get up again, or as it's shutting down. I don't know about it being the same Kuma that was with Kizaru but the PX numbers are also interesting. The one with Sentoumaru is PX-1, correct? The one the SH defeated was PX-4. It would make sense for it to be the same one, but I'm still not sure.
he says: this guy's got beams on his hands instead of paws as well…....!! first bubble
second bubble: not that i want to think about it, but...that means this is a third one!!
what's goin on here?
so, the second one with beams inbstead of paws, and the third one as strong as kuma, in my opinionOK. But I don't know what you mean by as strong as Kuma, or where it was stated. On Thriller Bark Kuma didn't touch anyone physically. Sanji kicked him in the face and couldn't budge him, but that was the extent of it. Anyway.
@Shaman:
moving past the whole kuma and exhausted pirates thing. do you think that robin should have a shiva technique like it will be opposite to zoro's asura XP
Hmm…I would like to see her develop a different technique....I just don't know about that...I guess it would be a super hold/clutch type of thing.
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@MonkeyDMalcolm:
we've seen 3 Kuma bots so far. The one the SHP fought the One that came with sentoumaru and the one that fought drake urogue and Hawkins. All of them have displayed the beam power. So we can come to the conclusion that A there's no difference between the Kuma bots power and B If you see paws referring to Kuma it is Pad and it refers to the Kuma from TB. Paws is a mistranslation
allright, but it means that the SH were able to beat ONE pacifista, not two
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allright, but it means that the SH were able to beat ONE pacifista, not two
yea I know thats what I've been saying.
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allright,then we are on the same page on that
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has anyone thought
silver dark king
Zoro has taken a demonic turn in his attacksso as Zoro becomes more demonic the right hand man silver whos otherwise known as the dark king makes and appearance
think could be a bit meaningful later on
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has anyone thought
silver dark king
Zoro has taken a demonic turn in his attacksso as Zoro becomes more demonic the right hand man silver whos otherwise known as the dark king makes and appearance
think could be a bit meaningful later on
if i put a gun to my head and pulled the trigger that would be better than your post just now.
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@MonkeyDMalcolm:
if i put a gun to my head and pulled the trigger that would be better than your post just now.
then do it
http://neomaster121.mybrute.com
Click above suprisingly addictive
http://mybrute.com/team/107019
join the team if your strong enough
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"Why would Sanji count the real one from TB when in the very same speach bubble he is talking about another using Lasers instead of the Paw Paw ability?
Can you explain why the Pacifista goes from severely damaged in 509 from the Monster Trio's combination attack to perfect condition in 510?"
Yeah, I'll explain it, Oda made what is commonly referred to in reality as a CONSISTENCY MISTAKE. He does it all the time. Look the Grand Line website's "To Err is ODA" section and you can see a pantheon of inconsistencies.
Thats a pretty big consistencty mistake to have the Monster Trio knock a guy through wall, draw him all beat up with his shirt torn, and then at the beginning of the next chapter have him completely fine only to have him end up torn again. Hardley compares to Oda forgetting to draw a sheath, missing bandage or accessory, or something minor in the environment getting wrecked only to magically be backed together later. If theres a bigger consistenty to be found that effects teh story point it out because you can't expect me to comb that webpage's long list for one.
I interpreted the Kuma fights had the monster trio taking down one, the other SH then took on the other one to buy the Trio time to recover take down the 3rd one. One Kuma bot being able to sustain 2 major attacks from each member of the mosnter Trio on top of the damage the other SH did to him seems like absurdly high durability, and makes the SH look very weak compared to the other rookies. Seemed either Urouge or Drake(likely the other two as well) could have solo'ed the Pacifista if Kizaru wasn't there. 2 on 1 and it would have been torn apart.
Also, on the very same page in Chapter 509, Sanji mention there are TWO that strong just after they did their combo attack. He was counting original Kuma there, so why would he not count the original Kuma later when he says there were three? "(Sanji) This guys firing beams from his hands instead of paws AS WELL." This means they only destroyed one. Therefore- Oda = minor mistake.
Because he was referring to Kuma-bots using lasers, not the number of enemies using Kuma's face. If I say "oh this guys attacked me with a sword as well", that doesn't automatically mean only one other person attacked me with a sword before.
As for the exhaustedness, I think it goes two ways.
1. People don't give enough credit to the other supernovas. Just because they have lesser bounties doesn't make them weaker. They could have been laying relatively low as compared to Luffy kicking some royal ass a Enies Lobby or even Kidd killing a lot of innocent people. Urouge is probably just as strong as Luffy is, but he doesn't have the same "I'm going to kick your ass" mentality that other crews have (i.e. SH).Agreed. However the SH having to exert themselves so much against just 1 Kuma bot actually makes it seem the SN are much stronger than the Monster Trio, which does't seem right at all.
@__Neomaster121__
if u read the chapter u woyld have seen the kuma bot stand up after the ttrio 600 pound cannon
This only happened in your imagination. Saw it wrecked in the rubble, following pages are the SN fights. 510 we see a 2nd Pacifista get attacked by Chopper. Very easy way to prove me wrong. Open one of my links then find the page you believe I must have missed of that Kumabot standing up.
@Shaman Monk
wow that was kind of funny with the little shaman king joke:getlost: and yeah it is place for discussion but not a place for you to lose your head or take out your anger on people you dont know personally just cause something probably happen to you or your just doing this for your pleasure remember
Wasn't a joke, but a mistake.
What are you talking about? Where do you see any signs of anger in any of my posts. We're having a civil discussion and all I asked you personally was what panel did those two seem exhausted.
No offense dude but you're fucking weird(going to take offense anyways no doubt). It seems you take any form of disagreement as an attack. Chill out, words like "furthermore" and people asking you to back up what you say are not hostile actions.
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kinda thought this at 3am this morning
do you think the arc could have a small time skip then one chapter showing zoro concious(Sp?) and able to move a bit,starting to heal from his injuries?Example: think it was the anime or manga during the alabasta Arc the showed after luffy fought Mr.0,he was unconcius for 2 or 3 days?
could the same timeskip happen in this arc?
(dont flame me for this, i was 1/2 asleep when this came to my mind XD)
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@Shaman Monk
Wasn't a joke, but a mistake.
What are you talking about? Where do you see any signs of anger in any of my posts. We're having a civil discussion and all I asked you personally was what panel did those two seem exhausted.
No offense dude but you're fucking weird. It seems you take any form of disagreement as an attack. Chill out, words like "furthermore" and people asking you to back up what you say are not hostile actions.
ok wow i apologize after the whole furthermore thing cause i was wrong and cant believe you remembered that 0.0 and i love being weird :w00t:
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I just realized that Sentoumarou reminds of me Yajirobe.. I believe he's gonna have a similar voice in the anime. -.- Still hate him though.
As for Sanji, I think he meant "This one shoots beams as well, so it isn't the real Kuma either, it must be a third one in total". Plus, on page 4 Franky mentions "I guess they could be twins" and "A super look-alike", which means the SH believe that only two exist: the real Kuma and the one they just defeated. If they had defeated two, Franky's phrases would have no meaning.
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Thats a pretty big consistencty mistake to have the Monster Trio knock a guy through wall, draw him all beat up with his shirt torn, and then at the beginning of the next chapter have him completely fine only to have him end up torn again. Hardley compares to Oda forgetting to draw a sheath, missing bandage or accessory, or something minor in the environment getting wrecked only to magically be backed together later. If theres a bigger consistenty to be found that effects teh story point it out because you can't expect me to comb that webpage's long list for one.
I interpreted the Kuma fights had the monster trio taking down one, the other SH then took on the other one to buy the Trio time to recover take down the 3rd one. One Kuma bot being able to sustain 2 major attacks from each member of the mosnter Trio on top of the damage the other SH did to him seems like absurdly high durability, and makes the SH look very weak compared to the other rookies. Seemed either Urouge or Drake(likely the other two as well) could have solo'ed the Pacifista if Kizaru wasn't there. 2 on 1 and it would have been torn apart.
Because he was referring to Kuma-bots using lasers, not the number of enemies using Kuma's face. If I say "oh this guys attacked me with a sword as well", that doesn't automatically mean only one other person attacked me with a sword before.
Agreed. However the SH having to exert themselves so much against just 1 Kuma bot actually makes it seem the SN are much stronger than the Monster Trio, which does't seem right at all.
@__Neomaster121__
This only happened in your imagination. Saw it wrecked in the rubble, following pages are the SN fights. 510 we see a 2nd Pacifista get attacked by Chopper. Very easy way to prove me wrong. Open one of my links then find the page you believe I must have missed.
@Shaman Monk
Wasn't a joke, but a mistake.
What are you talking about? Where do you see any signs of anger in any of my posts. We're having a civil discussion and all I asked you personally was what panel did those two seem exhausted.
No offense dude but you're fucking weird. It seems you take any form of disagreement as an attack. Chill out, words like "furthermore" and people asking you to back up what you say are not hostile actions.
Well if you look at what happened when the Kuma bots were fighting drake & Urouge yea they were owning the Kuma bot however after Urouge knocks it through a wall it respond with a laser through Urouge Chest before the dust is settled. Drake was knocking it back also however wasn't able to land a decisive hit because of the interference of Kizaru.
The monster trio might not be that strong compared to other people in the WP world if you consider Drake ranking while in the marines which was higher than Smokers the difference in power of drake and the monster trio was shown accordingly yeah it sucks to see the SHP not be the best but that what the SN are supposed to be. Strong pirates other than SHP that have garnished the same type of attention and by reached the same point.
So the monster trio not being able to catch up to Drake someone who out ranks smoker is understandable. Then Urouge was getting owned I think he did worse than the monster trio. If you want to consider the dexterity of the Kuma bots just look at the damage it took from Urouge and Drake and was still working.
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I suggest to Ryuksgelus that if he s so picky about details that he goes read the fight between zoro and kuma on TB.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/485/07/
look very good : kuma left shoulder : yes , you saw it: his shirt is cut!now see this 4 pages later:
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/485/11/
WOW the cut is gone - go look what happens 2 page before this (p9 panel2)Or are you gonna suggest that it was a SECOND kuma that came on TB
PS: I really don't understand how people can't see the obvious , You r certainly one of those people who really believed sogeking was a new guy from sniperisland!
Seeking infinity, with all my affinities.
Finding truth, like a falling fruit, my ultimate finality.
Inside my being, the outside, all things; the finite leads the way.
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"Thats a pretty big consistencty mistake to have the Monster Trio knock a guy through wall, draw him all beat up with his shirt torn, and then at the beginning of the next chapter have him completely fine only to have him end up torn again."
Maybe this is just my opinion, but I all I see that is wrong with Kuma in that picture is that he is laying back through a wall, with a little tear on his shirt. There is not blood or bruises or anything on Kuma's face. So a tear in the shirt, or a missing sandal is basically on the same level. Maybe you can point out to me whether or not there are any battle scars that I am missing.
I interpreted the Kuma fights had the monster trio taking down one, the other SH then took on the other one to buy the Trio time to recover take down the 3rd one. One Kuma bot being able to sustain 2 major attacks from each member of the mosnter Trio on top of the damage the other SH did to him seems like absurdly high durability, and makes the SH look very weak compared to the other rookies. Seemed either Urouge or Drake(likely the other two as well) could have solo'ed the Pacifista if Kizaru wasn't there. 2 on 1 and it would have been torn apart.
Maybe this is just me agaiin, but when I look at the start of your "supposed second battle" It looks like the Kuma on page 9 is recovering from a serious attack and is walking out from the rubble of a building. This would prove that there is only one Kuma. But, as I know it will come to pass, it is hard to tell what it is the background.
Because he was referring to Kuma-bots using lasers, not the number of enemies using Kuma's face. If I say "oh this guys attacked me with a sword as well", that doesn't automatically mean only one other person attacked me with a sword before.
How does this make sense? I said he refers that there are 2 after their COMBO ATTACK and later he claims there are three. Don't just go boldinig other peoples quotes and manipulating them to your own advantage, read all of it.
Agreed. However the SH having to exert themselves so much against just 1 Kuma bot actually makes it seem the SN are much stronger than the Monster Trio, which does't seem right at all.
OK, the Kuma with the supernovas took how many hits? Probably several from uruouge and 1 from Drake in Cap 508. In Chap 509 3 hits from Urouge, 1 block and 1 bite from Drake. Whereas the SH's Kumas (or Kumas) took a Coup de Vent, 1 combo from 3 people, 1 from chopper, 4 from Franky, 1 from Brooke, 1 to the mouth from Ussop, his own laser (Robin), 1 from Nami, and then a 3 way combo from Sanji Zoro and Luffy. For all intents and purposes, Sanji, Zoro, and Luffy did the most damage and therefore dispatched a Kuma with a total of 6 extremely hard hits. (The only ones that affected them were
the Coup de Vent, the combo, the own laser attack, and then the last three)
So really, this shows how much stronger the SH are from the rest, if they're able to defeat the Kuma with only that many huge attacks. Putting it your point of view that means they dispatched 2 Kumas with of 6 huge hits. Don't you think that's a little too small….One more thing for the sake of argument, why wouldn't Sanji also examine the other Kuma if there were too, and why didn't Sentoumaru notice that there were two bad Kuma-bots, the only answer to that is that there is only one Kuma Bot.
I'm only trying to make a friendly argument here.:happy:
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Don't take this the wrong way but, You fail at quoting.
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I suggest to Ryuksgelus that if he s so picky about details that he goes read the fight between zoro and kuma on TB.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/485/07/
look very good : kuma left shoulder : yes , you saw it: his shirt is cut!now see this 4 pages later:
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/485/11/
WOW the cut is gone - go look what happens 2 page before this (p9 panel2)Or are you gonna suggest that it was a SECOND kuma that came on TB
PS: I really don't understand how people can't see the obvious, You r certainly one of those people who really believed sogeking was a new guy from sniperisland!
Does this oversight in any way affect the story? Zoro cut Kuma and now we know he's a Cyborg. A Kuma bot getting up after the Monster Trio wrecked it with a combination attack is a much bigger inconsistency.
At least Oda tried to keep it consistent in that Chapter as he redrew the injury a few pages later http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/485/13/
Here you're all trying to convince me Oda just fucked up bigtime. As for the Obvious, comment. I know right, its obvious theres two Kuma but some people….
Maybe this is just my opinion, but I all I see that is wrong with Kuma in that picture is that he is laying back through a wall, with a little tear on his shirt. There is not blood or bruises or anything on Kuma's face. So a tear in the shirt, or a missing sandal is basically on the same level. Maybe you can point out to me whether or not there are any battle scars that I am missing.
His clothes are also sliced on the other side of his body.
Maybe this is just me agaiin, but when I look at the start of your "supposed second battle" It looks like the Kuma on page 9 is recovering from a serious attack and is walking out from the rubble of a building. This would prove that there is only one Kuma. But, as I know it will come to pass, it is hard to tell what it is the background.
Actually this is a very good point. http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-510/page009.html I didn't pay attention much this page but it could look like the smoke in the backround was the rubble from before. Just seemed like a weird way to cut back to the SH fight with Zoro back on the ground after they were just talking as if they had been fighting the whole time.
How does this make sense? I said he refers that there are 2 after their COMBO ATTACK and later he claims there are three. Don't just go boldinig other peoples quotes and manipulating them to your own advantage, read all of it.
Manipulating? Thats just the way I interpreted Sanji's quote. Sanji basically sense "yet another guys with beams instead of paw powers", followed immediatly bye "that makes three so far"? How does that make sense? Sanji first comment in some translations doesn't even mention two Kuma's but simply states "more than one guy this strong" http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/509/05/
OK, the Kuma with the supernovas took how many hits? Probably several from uruouge and 1 from Drake in Cap 508. In Chap 509 3 hits from Urouge, 1 block and 1 bite from Drake. Whereas the SH's Kumas (or Kumas) took a Coup de Vent, 1 combo from 3 people, 1 from chopper, 4 from Franky, 1 from Brooke, 1 to the mouth from Ussop, his own laser (Robin), 1 from Nami, and then a 3 way combo from Sanji Zoro and Luffy. For all intents and purposes, Sanji, Zoro, and Luffy did the most damage and therefore dispatched a Kuma with a total of 6 extremely hard hits. (The only ones that affected them were
the Coup de Vent, the combo, the own laser attack, and then the last three)
So really, this shows how much stronger the SH are from the rest, if they're able to defeat the Kuma with only that many huge attacks. Putting it your point of view that means they dispatched 2 Kumas with of 6 huge hits. Don't you think that's a little too small….Chopper Arm Point also caused damage as you can tell by the facial expression in the bottom right panel. http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-510/page010.html. Both Franky&Chopper noted Ussop's attack hurt its insides, and being a robot its not unreasonable that lightning from Nami fried his insides.
If theres 1 it took 11 damaging hits, 6 of which were major attacks from the monster Trio. I don't get how you can twist that around to say they did was more impressive than Urouge&Drake hurting the Kuma-bot with minimal effort(Drake obviously far less than Urouge).
One more thing for the sake of argument, why wouldn't Sanji also examine the other Kuma if there were too, and why didn't Sentoumaru notice that there were two bad Kuma-bots, the only answer to that is that there is only one Kuma Bot.
They were on the run and he only stopped to check this one out because they were catching a breather or the 2nd one came at them right away. Though this is your best point that even Sentoumaru doesn't comment on two destroyed Kuma-bots.
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Don't you guys realize that Kuma and the Pacifistas have special Vegaclothes that heal themselves? DUH?! God, some people are so ignorant:getlost:
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You r certainly one of those people who really believed sogeking was a new guy from sniperisland!
He isnt? WTH SPOILERS
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I am not trying to convince you Oda messed up bigtime, man.
I am trying to convince you your head is messed up big timeNo I m just joking : I am just trying to tell you that Pacifistas' clothing regenerate. It is as simple as that man.
and second thing: show that second kumabot to me : where is he , did he evaporate, was he dissolved in acid, ….........
no I don't see him so he does not existhttp://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/511/04/
see franky is saying this one and "the real kuma" are twins , if they just defeated 2 kumabots , why didn't he say that they were triplings?????????Seeking infinity, with all my affinities.
Finding truth, like a falling fruit, my ultimate finality.
Inside my being, the outside, all things; the finite leads the way.
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http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/511/04/
see franky is saying this one and "the real kuma" are twins , if they just defeated 2 kumabots , why didn't he say that they were triplings?????????Exactly, that's what I explained in the previous page. :p
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The Strawhats only defeated one Kuma thus far in the series, they defeated PX-4.
Their combined attack damaged the Kuma to the point that after it got back up, it started going ballistic. I remember when the spoiler came out it described it as such, that the Kuma Bot starts going crazy.
Then they actually defeat it, and then Sentomaru and PX-1 arrive, and Sent comments on how they destroyed it.
They only defeated one.
Really, they are exhausted from it but you have to consider that by no means are they at their limit (Zoro excepted). They're tired from running around the Archipilego, from dealing with the Pirate King's first Mate's aura, which is likely stronger than Shanks', from fighting a bunch of Marines, and from taking out a very strong cyborg that has an extremely resilient defense.
They aren't fully exhausted, fully exhausted is Luffy's fight after Lucci, or Zoro's state right now because of the extensive damage he took at Thriller Bark.
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guys dont be so focused on prooving this guy wrong cause he will just think of another way to fight you in some kind of way about 1 or 2 kuma. its hard to fight some one with a person who chooses not to listen
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This is one of the stupidest discussions. If I read this I know why many can’t compare strength if some fail to see that they only beat one Pacifista.
Don't you guys realize that Kuma and the Pacifistas have special Vegaclothes that heal themselves? DUH?! God, some people are so ignorant:getlost:
You’re dead right.
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@MonkeyDMalcolm:
Your whole crew gets killed some rival…...
Don't change the fact that Moria was able to fight as an equal with a Yonkou. Two bad the Yonkou's are not what you claim them to be.
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This whole 2 kuma bot discussion is even worse then logia not logia discussion. blergh…
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Don't change the fact that Moria was able to fight as an equal with a Yonkou. Two bad the Yonkou's are not what you claim them to be.
If he fought as an equal with a Yonkou kizaru wouldn't have killed his whole crew. If he fought as an equal with a Yonkou and lost to Luffy than the whole power balance in the OP world is useless.
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i think that vegapunk probably experimented on him or someone was able to defeat his ultimate defense
um there is a difference between the captains strength and the crews strength and yes it is true for some crews so dont try to use the straw hats as an example cause they are one of the exceptions
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Don't take this the wrong way but, You fail at quoting.
I know, I'm one of those "join up and type" kind of people that attempt to do stuff you guys are pros at. I hope this time it works.:happy:
The hits thing was meant to show that basically the SH could take down a Kuma with a few hard hits and lucky shots. So, while the othe SN try to attack their own Kuma, they still need hits from everyone. Both Urouge and Drake attacked the Kuma, but it never really slowed down. I'm sure Drake probably had an idea of a weak point to the bot, but the reason why he didn't use a plan is kind of odd. But the inital idea was to show that the relative number of attacks between the SH and the SN (Guestimating 14:11) show that the SH were able to take down a Kuma much faster.
That being said, Kizaru took some of the attention as well, but he didn't do anything really to drake or Urouge, until he knocked them out, so….:getlost:
I guess imo the SH are doing much better than some people are giving them credit for. And the last few attacks we've seen have been nothing short of jaw-dropping.
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@MonkeyDMalcolm:
If he fought as an equal with a Yonkou kizaru wouldn't have killed his whole crew. If he fought as an equal with a Yonkou and lost to Luffy than the whole power balance in the OP world is useless.
Kizaru never killed anyones whole crew, but I guess you are referring to that Yonkou Kaidou, it was never stated that he killed off Moria's crew mates. The only info we have on that guy, is that Moria was able to rival him and he is a Yonkou. Moria states that if he had all of those TB servants back then…He never would have lost to that Kaidoh fool in the New World, Thats all we know about the fight between Moria and your precious Yonkou Kaidou.
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Kizaru never killed anyones whole crew, but I guess you are referring to that Yonkou Kaidou, it was never stated that he killed off Moria's crew mates. The only info we have on that guy, is that Moria was able to rival him and he is a Yonkou. Moria states that if he had all of those TB servants back then…He never would have lost to that Kaidoh fool in the New World, Thats all we know about the fight between Moria and your precious Yonkou Kaidou.
i sound bad compared to you.:cwy: i failed bad i feel sad:sad::silly:
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Kizaru never killed anyones whole crew, but I guess you are referring to that Yonkou Kaidou, it was never stated that he killed off Moria's crew mates. The only info we have on that guy, is that Moria was able to rival him and he is a Yonkou. Moria states that if he had all of those TB servants back then…He never would have lost to that Kaidoh fool in the New World, Thats all we know about the fight between Moria and your precious Yonkou Kaidou.
Moria: I found the answer from personal experience.
Why did I lose all my powerful and useful followers,
after they became famous…?!!- Page 217 -
Moria: You lose your men because they're ALIVE!!
But if they're undead zombies to begin with, you lose nothing!!!
Zombies are immortal!! An unlimited army to draw upon!!!
And I will use that army to seek the title of Pirate King once more!!
You should be HAPPY you get to serve me as shadows!!!Read the bold part please.
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Kizaru never killed anyones whole crew, but I guess you are referring to that Yonkou Kaidou, it was never stated that he killed off Moria's crew mates. The only info we have on that guy, is that Moria was able to rival him and he is a Yonkou. Moria states that if he had all of those TB servants back then…He never would have lost to that Kaidoh fool in the New World, Thats all we know about the fight between Moria and your precious Yonkou Kaidou.
yea Kaidou my bad I don't think he was a rival per say more like someone that fought against Kaidou. If Moria is able to Rival Kaidou are you suggestion there is a huge level in power between WB and Kaidou? If so why haven't WB been able to conquer WB why is all the shickubakai + 3 admirals gathering for the fight against WB is the WG doing it for overkill ?
Also are you suggestion SHP are yonkou level if Kaidou = Moria Luffy > Moria = Luffy > Kaidou and if thats true than its Aokiji > Luffy = Marines > Yonkou = Marine = Yonkou + Shicibukai. I don't think you can say Moria is on the same level as kaidou. The whole WB of One piece would be messed up if thats true.
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To anyone that knows Japanese: What's the term used for "captain" in Sentoumaru's "captain of the science unit"?
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@Fire Fist:
Read the bold part please.
Yea, and you need to read what you quoted more closely.
Kizaru never killed anyones whole crew, but I guess you are referring to that Yonkou Kaidou, it was never stated that he killed off Moria's crew mates. The only info we have on that guy, is that Moria was able to rival him and he is a Yonkou. Moria states that if he had all of those TB servants back then…He never would have lost to that Kaidoh fool in the New World, Thats all we know about the fight between Moria and your precious Yonkou Kaidou.
Your Quote does not prove Kaidou was the one to kill off Moria's crew, Fire Fist Ace.
@MonkeyDMalcolm:
yea Kaidou my bad I don't think he was a rival per say more like someone that fought against Kaidou. If Moria is able to Rival Kaidou are you suggestion there is a huge level in power between WB and Kaidou? If so why haven't WB been able to conquer WB why is all the shickubakai + 3 admirals gathering for the fight against WB is the WG doing it for overkill ?
The Whitebeard Pirates are the strongest Pirate Crew in the One Piece world. We have yet to see Whitebeard's personal fighting power or Kaidou's. I'm not suggestion anything, just using the facts we have now.
I don't know what you mean by "why haven't WB been able to conquer WB" unless you mean why hasent Whitebeard been able to conquer the New World? Thats simple, he has not found One Piece yet. If the key to obtaining One Piece was just being the strongest around, I'm pretty sure the Whitebeard Pirates the strongest Pirate Crew in the One Piece world during this Era, would have found it by now, but they have not. To obtain One Piece you got to have more then strength.
Also are you suggestion SHP are yonkou level if Kaidou = Moria Luffy > Moria = Luffy > Kaidou and if thats true than its Aokiji > Luffy = Marines > Yonkou = Marine = Yonkou + Shicibukai.I don't think you can say Moria is on the same level as kaidou. The whole WB of One piece would be messed up if thats true.
Again, I'm not suggesting anything just going with what the story and other official info has given us.
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Some people allow themselves to be slaves to silly, imaginary math…
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Celine Dion post in the MK thread. I wish I could neg you.
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I hate math, especially imaginary math.
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Yea, and you need to read what you quoted more closely.
Your Quote does not prove Kaidou was the one to kill off Moria's crew, Fire Fist Ace.
Just accept it Moria went to the new world with his crew got destroyed by Kaidou came back with his tail in between his legs.
The Whitebeard Pirates are the strongest Pirate Crew in the One Piece world. We have yet to see Whitebeard's personal fighting power or Kaidou's. I'm not suggestion anything, just using the facts we have now.
I don't know what you mean by "why haven't WB been able to conquer WB" unless you mean why hasent Whitebeard been able to conquer the New World? Thats simple, he has not found One Piece yet. If the key to obtaining One Piece was just being the strongest around, I'm pretty sure the Whitebeard Pirates the strongest Pirate Crew in the One Piece world during this Era, would have found it by now, but they have not. To obtain One Piece you got to have more then strength.
I meant Kaidou my bad I am a lil tired right now. We don't need to see WB personal fighting power he is the strongest person in OP. Stated facts. Yes to obtain One Piece you have to sail around the OP world like a jack ass until you reach the end. You need strength in order to overcome the other pirates that are after the same goal that you are.
Again, I'm not suggesting anything just going with what the story and other official info has given us.
No your cherry picking and trying to bend stuff to prove your point. Disregarding FFA post is a perfect example of this.
Just since your going with the story the story told us Moria lost to Kaidou and lost all his men.
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Some people allow themselves to be slaves to silly, imaginary math…
It's not silly math everything connects you beat some one your stronger than them you lose to someone your weaker then them. If 4 yonkou can't gain any ground on each other they are in essence on the same level.
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@MonkeyDMalcolm:
Just accept it Moria went to the new world with his crew got destroyed by Kaidou came back with his tail in between his legs.
Care to post them Scans? Or where its stated that kaidou was the one to kill Moria's crew mates?
I meant Kaidou my bad I am a lil tired right now. We don't need to see WB personal fighting power he is the strongest person in OP. Stated facts. Yes to obtain One Piece you have to sail around the OP world like a jack ass until you reach the end. You need strength in order to overcome the other pirates that are after the same goal that you are.
You forgot the most important fact…..You Must FIND One Piece to conquer the New World. You can be strong enough to bust galaxies for all I care, yet still can't find the TV remote.
No your cherry picking and trying to bend stuff to prove your point. Disregarding FFA post is a perfect example of this.
Ace didn't even answer the question…...read the bold if you can't keep up.
Kizaru never killed anyones whole crew, but I guess you are referring to that Yonkou Kaidou, it was never stated that he killed off Moria's crew mates. The only info we have on that guy, is that Moria was able to rival him and he is a Yonkou. Moria states that if he had all of those TB servants back then…He never would have lost to that Kaidoh fool in the New World, Thats all we know about the fight between Moria and your precious Yonkou Kaidou.
@Frie Fist:
Moria: I found the answer from personal experience.
Why did I lose all my powerful and useful followers,
after they became famous…?!!- Page 217 -
Moria: You lose your men because they're ALIVE!!
But if they're undead zombies to begin with, you lose nothing!!!
Zombies are immortal!! An unlimited army to draw upon!!!
And I will use that army to seek the title of Pirate King once more!!
You should be HAPPY you get to serve me as shadows!!!
Read the bold part please.Just since your going with the story the story told us Moria lost to Kaidou and lost all his men.
Its states he lost to kaidou, and never states Kaidou killed all his men. Your saying kaidou killed all of Moria's crew mates which is Fanon, not Canon.
@MonkeyDMalcolm:
It's not silly math everything connects you beat some one your stronger than them you lose to someone your weaker then them. If 4 yonkou can't gain any ground on each other they are in essence on the same level.
Did you forget that Whitebeard is the closest one to One Piece?
It didn't say the 4 Yonkou are the closest ones to One Piece.
