Code Geass

captain usopp

I don't know a lot about cutey honey, but shouldn't there be more "boobage"

god, won't they just let that poor series die already. rest in peace. do something new.

terek, your the one that knows all the spoilers, but i think, lelouch was going about everything all wrong, and is realising that now, and is gonna do things right. he got too involved in polatics, when the important thing was his friends. He's lost a lot of them due to this fighting. He's gonna loose his sister due to all the fighting. He's willing to set everything aside and take a different path to save her.

AlmostLegendary

I think Lelouch needs to reveal that he is zero. I don't think there's a way he can go back he already passed the point of no return when shirley died. He can only move forward and continue to be zero and continue the way he was.

I still hate suzaku's lil bitch ass

Malintex_Terek

I'm watching the episode and I need to vent how much I hate Nunnally. I've beginning to like her even less than I do Suzaku, heck at least Suzaku is introspective!

Nunnally is useless and has been nothing but a burden to Lelouch his whole life. She plays the frail weak victim when she's at least perfectly capable of seeing, let alone walking (Britannian Medical Science people, Jeremiah got rebuilt as a fudgin' cyborg!) and her mere existence has always been the sword in Lelouch's side, forcing his actions since she's a perpetual hostage.

Quite literally, most of his failings in the series are because of Nunnally complicating things. The Ashford Academy stuff is also guilty but it's mostly Nunnally.

Here, we see Lelouch is going to ruin EVERYTHING by, ONCE AGAIN, being fearful about a mound of useless and stupid dead-weight. We don't even know what she really thinks, like if her conviction is real or not.

Lelouch's obsession with protecting those close to him is really, really out of hand by now. He hasn't grown up FULLY I think, even Charles was Gar enough to let his brother die to achieve their goal.

Rollo > Nunnally, by so darn much.

/rant

captain usopp

facepalms I think the point is, friends and family are more important than anything, and charles was a dink for doing that to his brother.

as for the whole science argument, nunnally and lelouch were in hiding, and presumed dead before. how was british science suposed to help. As for now, well, she's grown up blind and crippled, it would be a big adjustment now. She functions fine as she is. heck, she can tell someone is lying by holding their hand. lets see lelouch do that. And how is her disabilities holding lelouch back. yes, lets penalize nunnally for something that wasn't her fault.

fine, hate nunnally, but give some valid reasons. :)

Malintex_Terek

@captain:

how was british science suposed to help.

It was a joke…Mao came back after getting shot up by a riot squad and a Knightmare after one episode and was perfectly fine, but Euphemia was shot once (not in the head) and died. You'd think the royal doctors would be the best in the world, but they couldn't save Nunnally from being a cripple either.

@captain:

And how is her disabilities holding lelouch back. yes, lets penalize nunnally for something that wasn't her fault.

Her central disability is stupidity. We're talking about a girl who can sense lies by merely touching a person, yet she can't tell Suzaku is lying when he's been holding her hand all the time? A girl who can recognize people by voice yet can't tell Zero is actually her brother? A girl oblivious and naiive enough to believe the world can be saved with rainbows and flowers despite living for a decade in hiding after the brutal assassination of her mother and social darwinian public policy (which would have mandated she have died long ago) that lead to her own poor health?

Euphemia was understandable, she didn't know how the world worked because she was brought up spoiled. But NUNNALLY? She's totally ridiculous!

captain usopp

she knows suzaku is lying, but she wants to give him the benifit of the dout (sp) seeing as he is her childhood friend. And Zero has that voice changing thing in his helment does he not. I don't think she is trying to change the world with rainbows and flowers. she is doing what suzaku was trying to do. change things from the inside. and eyphemia's crazy idea almost worked, had it not been for lelouch screwing it up at the last minute.

Malintex_Terek

True, she knows Suzaku is lying now, but only because Lelouch told her he was in trouble. Even then, she still says he's "missing" for some reason, hasn't she looked around for him?

Someone also brought up this point up on another forum - Charles di Britannia tried to reform Britannia from the inside. He failed. His excuse? "Britannia never changes". If Chuck couldn't do it, it's unlikely Suzaku or Nunnally can.

We also don't know how far Euphemia's plan would have gotten…there was a lot of anger/resentment and hatred toward Euphemia from the Britannian side since the Britannians are brought up to be racist. Look at Miss Lohmeyer in Nunnally's court, a staunch racist who undermines Nunnally's resolutions whenever possible. Clovis and Cornelia were much the same, regarding the Elevens as dogs that needed to be beaten to have sense knocked into them.

If everyone in the empire is like Miss Lohmeyer, the only way Suzaku or Nunnally could change them isn't with reason, but force. Terror. Britannia is an Empire run on power, a strong leader to bully everyone into submission out of fanatical devotion to a cause they identify with and a fear of opposition.

"rainbows and flowers" (I should explain this, it's what some Geass fans have used to term Euphemia and Nunnally's peaceful approaches to political change) can't do anything about a society founded on tyranny. The society would collapse.

...which would be ironic since collapse is what Lelouch is aiming for. Suzaku and Nunnally might have had the right idea afterall.

Crossword

The Zero helmet has a voice-changer? Sounds to me like Jun Fukuyama just goes into regal-mode. Well, my commentary, for what it's worth:

-Lelouch sure has an odd sense of humor. Oh wait, the art director probably just wanted an excuse to draw teh boobage. C.C.'s stigmata's gone, which makes sense, I guess.
-Rollo continues to be a douchebag.
-Bradley is a douchebag.
-Whoever thought to arm a Knightmare with a nuke is a douchebag.
-I could choke a mule with the amount of .gifs Suzaku's comeuppance spawned.
-If you pay attention during the Black Knight roster scroll, you'll see that Sayoko is listed as Internal Cleaning Support.
-Unneeded quasi-romantic tension for the loss. Dammit, Todou was one of the few characters to not be marred by the show's erratic writing.
-Um, I'm glad that it looks like there's finally going to be some focus on the Knights, cause it's about time.

Malintex_Terek

@Crossword:

-If you pay attention during the Black Knight roster scroll, you'll see that Sayoko is listed as Internal Cleaning Support.

That's awesome! Which subs are you using?

Crossword

Eclipse. It's towards the end of the list, before the camera cuts away.

Eranikus

Well… as for the recent chapter, my opinion of the characters is of current:
Nunnaly: Finally getting some sense of how the world really ticks, instead of being spoiled by Lelouch and the school council with everything they have.
Suzaku: Steps even further to mutating to an "L" without brain and charm. Actually Malintex description of Nunnaly and Euphemia fits Suzaku like a bumm on the toilet.
Just trying to change Japan won't get him anywhere, things will still be fucked up as before.
Nina: Just go and die cnt uhhh I mean jump from that tower btch... she reminds me of what I read in a historical script: Even worse than a charming dictator is a naive genius who has developed zealotry for a person. Worse than that is a naive genius who has lost the person it zealots. cough jump jump jump there are enough scyscrapers cough
Lloyd: Love his goofyness. He is just plain win. One way or another, he is pretty much the only one in the brittonian military I like.
Schneizel: Can't say. He seems to be a mix of a spoiled brat, sharp mind, diplomat with a tendency of a mass murder.
Bradley: I actually like him somewhat. True he is an arse, but at least he is an honest one that says what he thinks.
CC: I like her. Liked her before an' like her now. She still likes pizza and through some good loving I am sure she'll become a nice girlfriend to Lelouch (still prays she'll replace Nunnaly quietly!).
Lelouch: What can I say. Seems like he is about to suffer a similar crash as before. He get's a bucket of pity and a bucket of sarcasm from me. Pity, because Charles / life constantly screws him over, sarcasm for choosing Suzaku to try to save Nunnaly. It is like telling a cat to hide a mouse so the other cat doesn't eat it.

As for the other characters.... things didn't really change much in my opinion. Karen still is as awesome as always. She had 3 hurray's from me for smacking up Suzaku :P

captain usopp

suzaku isn't gonna do anything to nunnally. he thinks lelouch is a jerk, but he still cares for and respects nunnally. that's why lelouch is turning to him. he knows suzaku will make sure no harm comes to nunnally.

Eranikus

@captain:

suzaku isn't gonna do anything to nunnally. he thinks lelouch is a jerk, but he still cares for and respects nunnally. that's why lelouch is turning to him. he knows suzaku will make sure no harm comes to nunnally.

What I meant is rather that Lelouch just shifted who blackmails him. Either Charles or Suzaku. True, Suzaku wouldn't harm Nunnaly but heck, no one think he would even consider to use Refrain on someone either. (Replacing the Devil with the Beelzebub as you sometimes say :P)

captain usopp

he did consider. on kallen. and then decided he's not gonna sink that low. If they're all gonna get together, he can jut get nunnally to hold lelouch's hand. I'm sure Nunnally would like to know what's going on too.

what is refrain anyways. I haven't heard of it until the whole kallen thing. I take it, it's some kind of truth serum.

Crossword

Refrain is a hallucenogenic drug that apparently allows a person to 'relive' events in the past. It was popular with the Japanese because, well, Britannia pretty much destroyed all that they had known.

In the first season there was an episode featuring the Black Knights shutting down a warehouse full of drugged-out Japanese, and we also learned that Karen's birth mother had baked her brain so thouroughly on the stuff that she couldn't speak and was essentially turned to a simpleton.

In episode 7 of R2, Lelouch, depressed that Nunally is governer, stole some from some Britannian's so he could relive ''The old ol' days.'' Karen stopped him before he could shoot up, and then the pig essentially asked her for sex, earning him a nice handprint on the side of his face.

captain usopp

oh. that's the same stuff?

well how would getting kallen to halusinate get her to tell him the truth?

Malintex_Terek

In Suzaku's mind, it would probably get Kallen to relieve her intimate moments with Lelouch in the cockpit of her Knightmare…:ninja:

captain usopp

that';s just dumb

Malintex_Terek

wwwwwwwww.

http://code-geass.bandai-ent.com/poll/pollb.php

Crossword

That's…pretty impressive for a character who lasted only three episodes, but it makes no blessed sense.

Nobodyman

Hmm, yes that is quite possibly the most absurd thing I've ever seen.

Malintex_Terek

Clovis winning was due to a number of 4channers voting like mad for him in a poll where almost nobody cared, sort of like the Rather Cool incident.

The reason is Clovis love became sort of a meme when people read the side stories of Lelouch not liking him, but Clovis liking Lelouch and treasuring their time in the Aeries Palace. Clovis' motivation to go to Area 11 as Governor-General was also because Lelouch and Nunnally were supposedly killed there.

Dark Lord Zenigame

…huh. Didn't know that.

That's actually really sad, now that I think about it...

captain usopp

how did rivalz get in there? and beating out lelouch as well. wth.

and they have nice pictures of all of them but lelouch. lelouch looks really aquard. look at how big his lower arms are.

Malintex_Terek

Just as Planned. :(

Crossword

Since Terek didn't, I'll provide the bullet summary.

! -Bradley's Knightmare has an energy drill/lance, and he's rather sadistic, claiming he just likes to destroy stuff and he even tries to use an allied airship as a weapon.
! -Suzaku and Lelouch meet at the temple. Lelouch takes full responsibility, and Suzaku refuses to forgive him, but says that the only way he can atone for his sins is to ''make his lies the truth.''
! -Villeta was captured off-screen, and Diethard chews Ogi out over this.
! -Schneizal had had Suzaku followed, and Britannian forces arrest Lelouch, but he escapes in a manner that is a top contender on the WTF scale.
! -The Gefjun Disturber system blacks out Tokyo, and everyone gets ready for the battle. The Lancelot Albion is equipped with a Freya.
! -Gino shows up at Karen's cell looking for Suzaku. He shows her a scrapbook from Ashford that Suzaku had left behind, and says that had she stuck with here Britannia blood, she'd be living a good life, possibly even a Round member.

Not that bad an episode I guess. More Lloyd screentime would've been appreciated though. That guy's seriously been getting the shaft lately. He was all over the place in season 1, now's he's lucky to get even five minutes of footage every few episodes.

Malintex_Terek

My respect for Suzaku went up a bit in this episode, since it showed that he's not an arrogant zealous traitor, just a guy who doesn't understand his place in life yet.

My opinion of Asahina and Chiba went down, though. Little sozzwangers. -_-

AlmostLegendary

man i thought more was going to happen.

Suzaku is a lil bitch trying to act high and mighty when he killed his own father.

Malintex_Terek

Malcolm - that's not how he really is.

Suzaku's motivation for joining Britannia was to atone for his own mistake in killing his dad. Back then when he was a child he pretended that was the right way to do things, but didn't really feel that way. Since he had chose that path out of false faith he decided to go all the way with it to make up for misleading himself.

…now I'm confused. Geass is DEEP. o_o

Dark Lord Zenigame

Never expected to hear that from you of all people.

captain usopp

i want something happy to happpen. :(

AlmostLegendary

@Malintex_Terek:

Malcolm - that's not how he really is.

Suzaku's motivation for joining Britannia was to atone for his own mistake in killing his dad. Back then when he was a child he pretended that was the right way to do things, but didn't really feel that way. Since he had chose that path out of false faith he decided to go all the way with it to make up for misleading himself.

…now I'm confused. Geass is DEEP. o_o

I don't see how killing your father turning your back on your nation and then working for the nation that took over your nation is any type of an atonement suzaku is is a lil bitch ass mother fucker that needs to be killed…. why hasn't kallen been rescued yet it's really bugging me that she has been reduce a yellow dress and her boobs popN out.

AlmostLegendary

@captain:

i want something happy to happpen. :(

I want death destruction and Lelouch winning happening.

Crossword

Suzaku has this whole ''change from within'' thing going on. I believe he said that he wants to be the Knight of One, because the Knight of One can apparently assume control of any territory he pleases.

Now, whether or not he would be excepted by the Japanese if such a thing occurred, I don't know. But the coming events look like they'll just compromise him.

As for Karen, if the spoilers can be believed (and they've been mostly right so far): (spoilers, of course)

! She escapes with the Guren SomelongIndianame, has a bout with the Vincent, and is recaptured or something. Mighty redundant if you ask me, but this is Geass, after all.

Malintex_Terek

She's **********? Man that sucks. Here's my interpretation of the spoilers -

! The Japanese lose spirit after two Freyas are dropped and decided to surrender Lelouch in hopes that they'll get independence anyway.

captain usopp

@MonkeyDMalcolm:

I want death destruction and Lelouch winning happening.

you sicko :P (you could have told me that in your first post ya know) :)

I agree, btw, in that I don't understand how suzaku joining britania atones for his father's death. siding with lelouch would make more sense. I also agree with kallen. enough with her boobs poking out of that dress. I think lelouch has totally forgotten about her. lelouch, you meanie.

Nobodyman

I actually think I liked Suzaku more than Lelouch in this episode. Oh, and Malcolm, about you wanting death and destruction

! I think you're going to get plenty of it next episode

captain usopp

I don't understand why lelouch didn't just tell suzaku the whole truth, and instead took the blame for things he did not do, or mean to do.

and that whole conversation at the end went over my head. what didn't suzaku tell britania about lelouch, and why is he in trouble?

Crossword

The way I saw it was that if he didn't take full responsibility, he would look like he was hiding behind people, making excuses and not taking responsibility.

I'll have to rewatch the scene at the end again, but I think it was basically like ''You better watch you step, young man, if you want us to trust you.'' Or something to that effect. Privately meeting with a terrorist leader doesn't exactly look good, y'know?

Malintex_Terek

I don't think Suzaku would have believed Lelouch if he said "well, I was gonna give in to Euphemia's SAR, and I was explaining to her about my Geass, then I made a joke about killing the Japanese and it suddenly activated by itself…Murphy's Law is guided by a cruel irony Suzaku."

It was hard enough for we viewers who actually watched it happen to believe it could happen, there's NO WAY IN HECK someone in the story is gonna buy that. It sounds so pathetic no one would believe it real.

AlmostLegendary

@captain:

I don't understand why lelouch didn't just tell suzaku the whole truth, and instead took the blame for things he did not do, or mean to do.

and that whole conversation at the end went over my head. what didn't suzaku tell britania about lelouch, and why is he in trouble?

I think lelouch did what he needed to do in order for suzaku to believe or trust him. Kind like batman being hated and stuff….. .

The one thing I don't like is the selfishness of characters like suzaku and nina. Like how do you go to such extremes for a person that you barely knew while lelouch is sitting here killing his brothers and sister however they feel justified in their attempts of revenge and their hatred of lelouch and zero where he suffering from it more than they are.

Crossword

Well, if not outright stated, it was strongly, strongly implied that Suzaku loved Euphemia. In fiction, love can be a very powerful motivator. And Lelouch didn't just kill her, oh no, he tarnished her a mass-murderer and used her as a banner to entice a revolt. So I would think that Suzaku is perfectly within his right to seek some sort of justice. What is not cool is him sinking to those same levels to do so, which he has seemed to realize himself.

Nina is just a blot that should've been retconed out at the start of R2.

AlmostLegendary

@Crossword:

Well, if not outright stated, it was strongly, strongly implied that Suzaku loved Euphemia. In fiction, love can be a very powerful motivator. And Lelouch didn't just kill her, oh no, he tarnished her a mass-murderer and used her as a banner to entice a revolt. So I would think that Suzaku is perfectly within his right to seek some sort of justice. What is not cool is him sinking to those same levels to do so, which he has seemed to realize himself.

Nina is just a blot that should've been retconed out at the start of R2.

I don't care if they were in love.

Lelouch and Euphie was be4 Suzaku and Euphie. Euphie knew his mom and admired his mom. They were closer a lot closer and it's not like Lelouch did it on purpose. Suzaku thinks he did it on purpose when in fact his guess went out of control.

Crossword

I think you're kind of missing my point. This is not a question of who loved who more. Whether it was done deliberately or not, it doesn't change the fact that Lelouch completely defiled her memory, and he accepted responsibility for that. Saying otherwise would be shifting the blame onto something else, hiding from the truth. And that's exactly what Suzaku accuses him of doing: hiding behind the Zero mask and using others as a means of self-justification.

AlmostLegendary

@Crossword:

I think you're kind of missing my point. This is not a question of who loved who more. Whether it was done deliberately or not, it doesn't change the fact that Lelouch completely defiled her memory, and he accepted responsibility for that. Saying otherwise would be shifting the blame onto something else, hiding from the truth. And that's exactly what Suzaku accuses him of doing: hiding behind the Zero mask and using others as a means of self-justification.

I guess but I think suzaku is using others to try and justify his self his fathers death….lelouch killing euphie....he acts like he is on this high horse but is the worst IMO

Malintex_Terek

We got NewType talk, and it's pleasing to say the least. Not unexpected but nevertheless, I'm very pleased.

Crossword

Is it the same stuff alledgedly posted by Koreanon? If so, yeah, I'm only really skeptical of one point, all the rest seem to work out pretty well.

captain usopp

geez guys, your ruining the surprise for yourself :P

Crossword

I can't help it that people refuse to use spoiler tags!! Besides, most of it is so predictable that it's not really spoiling anyway. At least, that's how I see it.

Malintex_Terek

@Crossword:

Is it the same stuff alledgedly posted by Koreanon? If so, yeah, I'm only really skeptical of one point, all the rest seem to work out pretty well.

No, everything that purports to be Korean now is fake. The blog was shut down.