Awesome stuff. Looks like their really excited to dub it. And that means that they'll try even harder to get the production costs as high as possible.
Speaking with FUNimation at Anime Boston 07
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Waitaminute, are people actually saying supporting their favorite franchise instead of stealing it is dumb?
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I weep for humanity.
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@Cain:
Well ANN has a video of the Funimation panel at Anime Boston.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/convention/2007/anime-boston/funimation
Ugh… does this mean that the questions I asked were recorded too?
I didn't ask much about names at the panels, because I did that at the booth.Rixter: Supporting a series is always better than stealing if you want to see it done well. I for one want to see them release movies and TV specials, so I will support them.
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I only care about supporting a series in America if the company releases a product thats worth having. No one to date has released anything One Piece related in the states that I would consider good enough to support (including the crappy Viz manga). That might change with Funi, but we'll see.
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Ahhh~ I want to see the big secret at AX! It seems like so long away!
And haha the TV version will never be on DVD. That means fans of the TV version will buy the uncut DVDs, and be in for a shock.
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It's only logical that we'd like to see something we love to do well commercially, as that means it'd be guaranteed to survive. I whole-heartedly want to buy DVDs, merch, whatthehellever to support the franchise.
But seriously, I'll probably be vomitting blood once the stuff actually comes out. O, the horror of budgeting and non-existent income… D8
And haha the TV version will never be on DVD. That means fans of the TV version will buy the uncut DVDs, and be in for a shock.
Actually I was just thinking about that before… I mean, what if a parent thought it's be nice to buy the DVD for their little kiddies, only to find a foul-mouthed, chain smoking cook. Not to mention blood, soft-core gore, and GASP DEAD PEOPLE. That gotta suck.
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It's only logical that we'd like to see something we love to do well commercially, as that means it'd be guaranteed to survive. I whole-heartedly want to buy DVDs, merch, whatthehellever to support the franchise.
But seriously, I'll probably be vomitting blood once the stuff actually comes out. O, the horror of budgeting and non-existent income… D8
Actually I was just thinking about that before... I mean, what if a parent thought it's be nice to buy the DVD for their little kiddies, only to find a foul-mouthed, chain smoking cook. Not to mention blood, soft-core gore, and GASP DEAD PEOPLE. That gotta suck.
There isn't any gore in One Piece. At least none that I've seen. And I doubt there are that many parents who would go out and buy anime labeled as an "uncut box set" for their little kids and then actually sit down and watch it with them. The little kids wouldn't care. Parents might find it odd that they are suddenly pretending to smoke more often though. >_>
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@Skull:
And I doubt there are that many parents who would go out and buy anime labeled as an "uncut box set" for their little kids and then actually sit down and watch it with them.
They're saving the 'uncut box set' for the forth rerelease anyway.
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Perhaps the AX secret is a trailer, a cast announcement, or a full episode?
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Someone please Youtube this… =)
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Perhaps the AX secret is a trailer, a cast announcement, or a full episode?
That's the thing, those three things are expected, so that's what makes me wonder what this announcement could be.
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BTW, the video was awesome, and I spread the news to K-F, buuut
The fans at that conference sucked… They didn't laugh at ANY of his jokes... What was their problem? (no offense ^^;)
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No edited DVDs at all will be released?
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@Lobster:
BTW, the video was awesome, and I spread the news to K-F, buuut
The fans at that conference sucked… They didn't laugh at ANY of his jokes... What was their problem? (no offense ^^;)
You're an idiot. As you can tell by it being hard to ask questions… those of us that asked questions shouted... it should be common sense that laughs would not be heard.
KaizokuFan22: Seriously, how old are you? You can not be as old as your profile says because you lack something called common sense. You ask questions to things that are now common knowledge and answered over and over and fucking over. Read. Read and memorize so you don't ask the same stupid things all the time.
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No edited DVDs at all will be released?
I guess not. FUNi's not really big on releasing edited DVD's of their anime.
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No edited DVDs at all will be released?
Not at all.
16 obvious
EDIT: OMG, 2 people beat me to it…
I could hear laughs… I was exaggerating... but there were hardly any laughs in the 1st half, when he was cracking jokes during DBZ and Afro Samurai.
BTW, who was that dude who said "OMG YESS!!!" when he announced One Piece? He was awesome. :happy:
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HA. I totally heard EGX in the beginning of the question-taking part XD;
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Oi oi oi oi. I don't know if that should be taken as a compliment or what.
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Not meant to be derogatory, but I can recognize your voice well enough, even if it's from a far away room. I share the Long Island background :B
Meanwhile, I'm assuming this guy will be sharing duties with Lance for conventions and what. He seems like he's really into his job, so I'm excited for it.
Also, for whoever asked before. I'll HOPEFULLY be going to AX. I don't think anyone in my group is bringing a video camera, but I'm more than confident in someone having one there and slapping it up on the Yootub two seconds after the con's done. Unless someone else is going there, I can try to give a big detailed report on the important shizz like EGX has for this.
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Long Islanders for the win!
I know Adam was at last year's AB as well. So maybe.
I want to go to AX, but it depends on if I get an internship or not. Cause with my fall-back job, I can take a weekend off. So we'll see what happens. I'll just have to look for a room… and convince parents that going to California for a convention is not a waste. I don't know what else can really be asked though of something they would have knowledge of.
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I weep for humanity.
Normally I'd tell you to "cry more", but think for a moment. Piracy is bad…why?
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What, is that supposed to be a joke because One Piece is about pirates?
If you like something, you support it. You don't steal it. That's really all there is to it.
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@EvilGamerX:
Long Islanders for the win!
Woo!
I believe me and my friends were doing some traveling over the summer, so AX might be an option.
Who says that? Getting stuff for free seems like a pretty good deal to me.
So you don't believe anyone deserves credit or rewards for their work?
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TY lobster and roman.
EGX, I am trying to read the pages but even though i have a good PC, My internet freezes and lags.
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So you don't believe anyone deserves credit or rewards for their work?
I said nothing of the sort. Artists deserve money more than anyone; if we really cared about them, instead of this "I support the companies" jargon, we would mail them money instead of buy their tankobans. That way, the manga-ka get 100% of the revenue rather than .5% or however much they make.
Even then, I must ask - what are the disadvantages of piracy?
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Well, most of the money goes toward drug and people traffiking.
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@Earthworm:
Well, most of the money goes toward drug and people traffiking.
Media piracy, sorry.
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I said nothing of the sort. Artists deserve money more than anyone; if we really cared about them, instead of this "I support the companies" jargon, we would mail them money instead of buy their tankobans. That way, the manga-ka get 100% of the revenue rather than .5% or however much they male.
Even then, I must ask - what are the disadvantages of piracy?
The problem with both things you mentioned (media piracy and sending money directly to the artists) is that it dosen't help my series that I love to be supported and continued. I like One Piece. I want One Piece to be continued and completed. I also want Viz to continue releasing the manga and for FUNi to keep releasing uncut box sets, so I save up money and buy these things. It these items weren't bought by people, then the series would probably end up discontinued and there would nothing left to even pirate.
Now, in the grand spectrum of things, does whether or not I specifically buy something decide whether it will be continued or not? Hell no. But it's the principle of the matter.
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I was at Anime Boston….
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…I apologize for trying to sound like a mod, but I think the piracy subject should be taken elsewhere. I'm sure an entire thread can be made on that subject, and this is mainly about the AB report :/
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Kirb… I'd be damned if people didn't go off-topic as much as they do.
Lobster: I think I pretty much got everything at AB covered.
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The problem with both things you mentioned (media piracy and sending money directly to the artists) is that it dosen't help my series that I love to be supported and continued.
Because, you know, manga-ka must be so stupid they can't self-publish their own manga? Given how even poor scholars can do that and they have far less of a potential market than a manga-ka, it's quite silly to make that assumption.
I also want Viz to continue releasing the manga and for FUNi to keep releasing uncut box sets, so I save up money and buy these things.
Not to sound Machiavellian, but that kind of thinking is pretty crude and dense - corporations don't owe you anything, you mean nothing to them, and you can enjoy the same material you could buy from them for free. It's 100% benefit to you, moreso than with this "euphoria from being a faithful dog" since you don't get a financial penalty and it's almost impossible for them to enforce their copyrights.
Cost/benefit analysis, pure and simple. The net benefits of OP outweigh the one-sided "corporate loyalty" some of the AP userbase might hold, which isn't really their own ideas, it's a product of a culture that hammers classical morality into their heads. That's not reality or reasonable.
What interests me is how people can say, "I support Oda" but aren't willing to support him as fully as they can. It's no different from saying "I support helping AIDS victims in Africa by paying my taxes", but not donating money to NPOs that actually work first hand with them. Quite disturbing, it is, because one must question whether or not the "loyalty" to Oda is legitimate or not.
It these items weren't bought by people, then the series would probably end up discontinued and there would nothing left to even pirate.
Naw, as popular as the 'net might be it isn't powerful enough to influence the media too much. Check out the Sanjaya issue in American Idol. So, if you're a free rider, it won't really matter that much. I mean, Naruto isn't any less popular with NarutoFan or Naruto-kun's existence, right?
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To answer the question, I plan to go to AX this year, but certain details need to be squared away. I have to discuss it with my friends, and we'll probably only go for two days. On top of that I want to know the schedule for certain events (like "One Piece" stuff) so I'll know which days I want to go. And I've wanted Toei Animation to come to an American convention for a while, and this year they're having a booth at AX, so I definitely want to go.
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What interests me is how people can say, "I support Oda" but aren't willing to support him as fully as they can.
I'm not really part of the discussion, but that kinda caught my attention abit. Could you elaborate on that? Not asking it in a patronizing way, I'm just really curious about that statement.
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I'm not really part of the discussion, but that kinda caught my attention abit. Could you elaborate on that? Not asking it in a patronizing way, I'm just really curious about that statement.
He means that fan-subs don't give the show any raitings, or the producers any money. So it's like no one is watching it at all.
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@Skull:
I only care about supporting a series in America if the company releases a product thats worth having. No one to date has released anything One Piece related in the states that I would consider good enough to support (including the crappy Viz manga). That might change with Funi, but we'll see.
If you have a problem with the Manga, take it up with Viz, don't steal it in the form of fan translations.
Who says that? Getting stuff for free seems like a pretty good deal to me.
Then you don't deserve One Piece at all.
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@Lobster:
He means that fan-subs don't give the show any raitings, or the producers any money. So it's like no one is watching it at all.
Oh, see, I thought he was referring to the direct ways of supporting Oda, i.e. the manga, not the anime. Because his post is pretty much clear about coporate loyalty doesn't mean jack.
Which confuses me… could there be other ways of the "direct" support if not through just buying the manga?
Because, you know, manga-ka must be so stupid they can't self-publish their own manga? Given how even poor scholars can do that and they have far less of a potential market than a manga-ka, it's quite silly to make that assumption.
With that, though, there're pretty good reasons against self-publishing. You seem to know your economics well enough, so I'll just say that it's the whole benefit of market share, really. Dominate the market without having to do your own PR and advertising campaign sounds pretty good too.
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Because, you know, manga-ka must be so stupid they can't self-publish their own manga? Given how even poor scholars can do that and they have far less of a potential market than a manga-ka, it's quite silly to make that assumption.
Oda could do that, but I don't see why he would. I'd say that'd be a pretty dumb decision on his part.
Not to sound Machiavellian, but that kind of thinking is pretty crude and dense - corporations don't owe you anything, you mean nothing to them, and you can enjoy the same material you could buy from them for free. It's 100% benefit to you, moreso than with this "euphoria from being a faithful dog" since you don't get a financial penalty and it's almost impossible for them to enforce their copyrights.
Cost/benefit analysis, pure and simple. The net benefits of OP outweigh the one-sided "corporate loyalty" some of the AP userbase might hold, which isn't really their own ideas, it's a product of a culture that hammers classical morality into their heads. That's not reality or reasonable.
What interests me is how people can say, "I support Oda" but aren't willing to support him as fully as they can. It's no different from saying "I support helping AIDS victims in Africa by paying my taxes", but not donating money to NPOs that actually work first hand with them. Quite disturbing, it is, because one must question whether or not the "loyalty" to Oda is legitimate or not.
I'm not faithful to Viz or FUNi. They get my money because they make the things that I want. I appreciate the job that scanlators and fansubbers do, but I'll take a physical book translated in English or a DVD officially translated over the amaetur stuff that I can't even guarentee is correct anyway. Viz and FUNi are giving me what I want, moreso than NULL, K-F, or anyone else.
I don't support Oda. I support One Piece. I have nothing against Oda, but I'm not really trying to help him out. I'm trying to get more of the manga and anime I like.
As you can see, I'm doing all this stuff for my own benefit. Not for some corporation, and not for some Japanese guy I don't know.
Naw, as popular as the 'net might be it isn't powerful enough to influence the media too much. Check out the Sanjaya issue in American Idol. So, if you're a free rider, it won't really matter that much. I mean, Naruto isn't any less popular with NarutoFan or Naruto-kun's existence, right?
You're right with that. As I said, these things don't have that much influence. It's more of my personal principle that if I want something, I buy it.
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I'm not really part of the discussion, but that kinda caught my attention abit. Could you elaborate on that? Not asking it in a patronizing way, I'm just really curious about that statement.
OK. I'll start off by saying I'm looking for clarity. Whenever I see anime fans say "I love XXX and support him all the way", I think to myself, "are they really doing that"? The distributors and advertisers take such a huge amount of money from a franchise the manga-ka doesn't get much at all - how else do we explain Masashi Kishimoto, who internationally doesn't make as much as Oda, getting to be one of the highest taxpayers in Japan based on income? I'd say it's because he has more control over his work that Oda does, given there's less pressure on him from Shueisha to "stay on top".
When I think of people saying, "I support XXX", it's a 100% or 0% kind of initiative - no OP fan would say they support Oda 10%, right? Effectively, that's what we're doing simply by buying manga - if we supported the artist, not the franchise 100%, we'd send him money directly instead of buy products where the distributors get the lion's share.
Granted, I'm influenced by one of my friends sees the internet as a potential for artists to bypass the corporate distributors by offering their manga, online, on a for-pay basis. That is, the manga-ka can scanslate and people can purchase access to the manga - that way, the manga-ka can easily get however much money he earns with no middlemen. It's the best way to support an "artist".
Just think of the popularity of webcomics and deviantart for amateurs, and imagine that for professional artists. They could do stuff at their own pace, and the "real"
I don't know about you lot, but I dislike the franchise - with its advertising, fanaticism, inaccuracies and cheapening of the source material - and would prefer to pirate rather than indulge in it. Sure, I'm not supporting Oda the 10% I could be, but I'm not paying for the 90% of corporate profits, and my contribution to what Oda makes is minimal at best. Afterall, as much profit as the corporations might reap, if Oda doesn't get paid he can't make manga, and they can't make any money…so Oda will always get paid before the corporations, even if he only gets a small, small share.
In spite of all of that, we've got the public goods dilemma issue here - even if all of AP pirates, it won't affect how much money Oda makes in Japan. He was making a ton during Arabasta's peak when OP wasn't even known in the West, so it's unlikely our leeching will affect the brand at all.
@Yuugi's:
Then you don't deserve One Piece at all.
Who are you to say that?
With that, though, there're pretty good reasons against self-publishing. You seem to know your economics well enough, so I'll just say that it's the whole benefit of market share, really. Dominate the market without having to do your own PR and advertising campaign sounds pretty good too.
I've only started my Economics major, but I should be pretty well versed by the end of summer. But anyway…
I never said the promotion had to be the manga-ka, I was inferring that the manga-ka could at least have some if not all of the control over his property without having to cede rights to corporate goons.
TYPE-MOON is an excellent example of this kind of thing. They published Tsukihime, the most successful doujin visual novel in history, and earned a greater percentage of profits that they did with Fate/stay night, their highly promoted commercial work. TYPE-MOON didn't rely on viral marketing to get Tsukihime promoted, they had help from indepdent advertisers and retailers rather than a vertically integrated organization that took care of all that. It was a lot more work, surely, but TM accumulated a lot more capital than they would have that way.
TM is big in the doujin world, but they're still small-fry in comparison to Oda and OP. Oda himself might not earn a whole lot of money and he'd have less personal time, but he'd sure make more than he does now.
But given his carefree lifestyle, as little stress as necessary is probably best for him - if he cared about money so vehemently I think it would have been reflected in OP and we wouldn't have liked it as much.
Oda could do that, but I don't see why he would. I'd say that'd be a pretty dumb decision on his part.
Depends on priorities. From my perspective, I'd agree, but if Oda cared more about money it'd be in his self interest to have sole proprietorship.
I'm not faithful to Viz or FUNi. They get my money because they make the things that I want. I appreciate the job that scanlators and fansubbers do, but I'll take a physical book translated in English or a DVD officially translated over the amaetur stuff that I can't even guarentee is correct anyway. Viz and FUNi are giving me what I want, moreso than NULL, K-F, or anyone else.
Unless you can speak Japanese, you shouldn't really care about accuracy - that's a moot point, especially considering the people hired by VIZ don't have a lot of experience anyway - they're amateurs with a professional label. You have brought up the only real argument against piracy I could think of - it's not exactly the same product. However, when you buy something you're effectively buying access, not a "product" as it were, so from a rational stand point it's always in your benefit to go online and get free manga rather than purchase it - for VIZ Media it might be a small investment ($5 or whatever) but for FUNimation you'd have a particularly significant opportunity cost, so the incentive to pirate is a lot greater.
I don't support Oda. I support One Piece. I have nothing against Oda, but I'm not really trying to help him out. I'm trying to get more of the manga and anime I like.
Is a man really worth nothing more to people than what he can contribute to society? That's too utilitarian even for my views. :|
What defines "more" though can vary from person to person - for you, it's pleasure from the reading experience. For most, though, I think it's money and the power (and maybe pleasure) that comes with it.
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I buy One Piece because I like One Piece.
(Imagine a huge post here justifying buying dvd boxsets and manga and such)
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I buy One Piece because I like One Piece.
Well, the issue is, why buy when you can pirate? There are some personal preference reasons, but most people are primarily concerned with content and content only, so there would be more incentive to pirate.
What I dislike is when people pirate but claim to support a series, but actually don't. It's because, en masse, those kind of opinions have some influence on what some people do with their money. Given I have a financial interest in certain individuals, it affects me at the rational level as well.
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Unless you can speak Japanese, you shouldn't really care about accuracy - that's a moot point, especially considering the people hired by VIZ don't have a lot of experience anyway - they're amateurs with a professional label. You have brought up the only real argument against piracy I could think of - it's not exactly the same product. However, when you buy something you're effectively buying access, not a "product" as it were, so from a rational stand point it's always in your benefit to go online and get free manga rather than purchase it - for VIZ Media it might be a small investment ($5 or whatever) but for FUNimation you'd have a particularly significant opportunity cost, so the incentive to pirate is a lot greater.
You make a good point. I'm not saying I don't see the incentive to pirate. If I didn't like One Piece as much as I do, I wouldn't buy anything from it. But I do like it a lot, so I enjoy the idea of buying these "collectibles" like the English tankos and uncut DVDs.
Is a man really worth nothing more to people than what he can contribute to society? That's too utilitarian even for my views. :|
What defines "more" though can vary from person to person - for you, it's pleasure from the reading experience. For most, though, I think it's money and the power (and maybe pleasure) that comes with it.
If I knew Oda, saw and talked to him every day, and got to see him as more than just "the guy who rights One Piece" then he would certainly mean more to me than he currently does. I have nothing against him, and I wouldn't be angry at him if he suddenly decided to stop doing One Piece(although I'd be personally frustrated I'm sure). I just see no reason to directly help out someone I don't really know who I don't consider to be less fortunate than me. But hey, if he can keep making good manga, I'll keep buying it.
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Heso!
Anyway I intend on buying One Piece from Funimation. I am looking forward to getting DVD quality episodes which I hope will be completely uncut. I am hoping for the OP and the EDs. I like having DVDs because the picture quality is much better and the sound is too.
As to getting the product through the fansubs and the scanlations I prefer official products. I have the fansubs because I wanted the complete content of the show. I have not downloaded the manga but I have read it online. I really wish that VIZ would put out One Piece faster. It makes no sense that the manga can be translated so quickly by the fans but the people in the manga companies can't do it that fast. I am getting tempted to buy the Japanese version of One Piece so that I can have the artwork at least especially the covers.
So I am try to buy the products offically because then I feel that I have put my money where my mouth is so to speak. I am very happy that I am going to get to show my support for the One Piece anime in America now because I feel that Funimation will try to make a great product. I have a lot of titles from them. My favorites are Fullmetal Alchemist, Samurai 7, Kiddy Grade, Spiral, Gunslinger Girl, Trinity Blood, Fruits Basket, and Burst Angel. I am also going to get Hell Girl. So I am happy to add One Piece to that list.
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Well, the issue is, why buy when you can pirate? There are some personal preference reasons, but most people are primarily concerned with content and content only, so there would be more incentive to pirate.
What I dislike is when people pirate but claim to support a series, but actually don't. It's because, en masse, those kind of opinions have some influence on what some people do with their money. Given I have a financial interest in certain individuals, it affects me at the rational level as well.
I buy things, because, well, I like them. I want to own them. Fansubs are great, don't get me wrong. But all and all, I'm a dub guy. And if someone releases a dub of a show I like that is great, I'll buy it. One sale may not be important, but I don't really care. I'm not one to care about "supporting teh franchise lulz", but I will buy something if I consider it to be a quality product.
Uh, to sum it up, it's a very selfish reason indeed, I just want to own it after all for my own interests. But isn't that what buying anything is all about?
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Heso!
I could not agree more with the idea that I buy something that I want because I want it. It is as simple as that. I want to get the One Piece that Funimation is going to put out because it will be complete. I did not want the One Piece from 4Kids because too much of the content was gone.
I am somewhat of a dub fan myself. One Piece has been a special case with me. I really love the voice work that the Japanese VAs have done. I wanted a English dub that would have equal quality voice work for an English dub of One Piece. I feel that Funimation will do their best to make an great dub. I can also show an English dub to my parents. So that is one reason I am happy that I will get a new One Piece dub.
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Heso!
Anyway I intend on buying One Piece from Funimation. I am looking forward to getting DVD quality episodes which I hope will be completely uncut. I am hoping for the OP and the EDs. I like having DVDs because the picture quality is much better and the sound is too.
As to getting the product through the fansubs and the scanlations I prefer official products. I have the fansubs because I wanted the complete content of the show. I have not downloaded the manga but I have read it online. I really wish that VIZ would put out One Piece faster. It makes no sense that the manga can be translated so quickly by the fans but the people in the manga companies can't do it that fast. I am getting tempted to buy the Japanese version of One Piece so that I can have the artwork at least especially the covers.
So I am try to buy the products offically because then I feel that I have put my money where my mouth is so to speak. I am very happy that I am going to get to show my support for the One Piece anime in America now because I feel that Funimation will try to make a great product. I have a lot of titles from them. My favorites are Fullmetal Alchemist, Samurai 7, Kiddy Grade, Spiral, Gunslinger Girl, Trinity Blood, Fruits Basket, and Burst Angel. I am also going to get Hell Girl. So I am happy to add One Piece to that list.
RobinNami, you pretty much said what I was going to say. I agree with you that Funimation does a great job on their series, and I know they will do a good job on One Piece, like on their past series like Burst Angel, Kiddy Grade, and Yu Yu Hakusho (Which I love all three series to death. ^^). I know Funi will put a great product, and I'm for sure will buy it. ^^.
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No more piracy/morality discussion please…it's an interesting subject but this isn't the thread for it. Didn't we have a thread about that at some point?
ps - just watching the video now...lol, it's great.
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I think it would be a great idea to get a Cartoon Network producer to come down to any panel that talks about "One Piece", whether it's just a regular FUNimation affair or a panel specifically for "One Piece" (which I bet'll happen). VIZ did the same thing when they had they're Toonami Jetstream panel last year, although that was more expected since Cartoon network was more directly involved with that. It would also be cool if they got Eiichiro Oda there. Either way, it'll definitely be interesting since Toei Animation will be there too.