You don't seem to understand the amount of strength it takes to lift a house over your head (160,000pds and thats just a normal house) robins arms would feel like ants trying to over power him. Let's go with your theory though ,Robin has someone strong in crutch and the victim can't over power it. All they have to do is grip one of her arms and crush it forcing her to let go.
Robin stronger than we expected?
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It's all just fanboyism speculation. Vs. matches between crew mates have never gone the way people predicted anyway (in One Piece).
People keep repeating this, but it never gets through to most people.
In other news, did you hear that paper finally beat scissor because it beat rock? ^^
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You don't seem to understand the amount of strength it takes to lift a house over your head (160,000pds and thats just a normal house) robins arms would feel like ants trying to over power him. Let's go with your theory though ,Robin has someone strong in crutch and the victim can't over power it. All they have to do is grip one of her arms and crush it forcing her to let go.
First of all, you remember that it was a fragment of a house right? Sure, a large fragment, easily as big as a suburbian house, but not litterally a house. Plus, it was most likely empty, as all debris should have fallen out.
Also, on average Robin would break the person before then could break her arms, and she could make them disappear anyway, and their arms should be restricted at the time.
Plus, that person would have to be immensely strong to just break Robin's arms. Yama tried something like that and she broke his fingers individually remember?
People keep repeating this, but it never gets through to most people.
In other news, did you hear that paper finally beat scissor because it beat rock? ^^
I know, plot devices will always ruin people's ideas of versus matches. I mean, no one tries to support that in Zoro vs. Luffy that "Nami would punch them in the head and beak them up." Yet that's what happened.
The same way that Sanji will never beat Nami, despite having superior fighting ability. Sure you could say ignore that mental block of Sanji's, but then it wouldn't be Sanji who is fighting now would it? Honestly, I think that Oda will never settle any of the Vs. topics, save for the obvious ones (usopp). That's probably why Chopper has monster point, now pro Chopper people have a leg to stand on with this powerful ability.
I bet that despite the seeming logic for Zoro's superior muscle power, should they fight Robin could break him all the same. Not that Zoro would lose, but he'd probably try something different instead, like attacking from a distance with flying blade attacks.
And come to think of it, what's stopping Robin from lifting Sanji and Zoro off their feet and into the air? They aren't heavy, and they'd have no leverage without ground under their feet.
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There is no point arguing with you you obviously you don't weight lift or you would understand you can tense up your body to stop someone lifting you. It with a normal person yes they would be over whelmed by robins arms but zoro ain't normal im sure if he tensed up it would be like tekkai to Robin.
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Everyone tends to froget, that once you have the right position for your grip, your oppodent has to use MUCH more power than you do. Now, multiply that hundredfold. Can you say - HAND CAGE?
Of course, those powermobs could break through it, but not everyone. -
You can tense your body, but you can still be lifted.
Also, she can micromange and just focus on one part of the body.
Can she use weapons? Cause if she can replicate a weapon in her hand, than she can do alot of damage with that 2.
You can subdue a person with pressure points and other weak spots of the body. Strength can be overcome unless they are superman.
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You can subdue a person with pressure points and other weak spots of the body. Strength can be overcome unless they are superman.
The thing is, they ARE supermen.
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why do u all care about right position to grip this and that
just grow a hana-hana hand and plug their nose, and another one to plug their mouth
no air = no strength
and another 2 hands to pierce their eyes
and one more to pierce their butts
i bet the opponent will be for mercy by then -
You can tense your body, but you can still be lifted.
Also, she can micromange and just focus on one part of the body.
Can she use weapons? Cause if she can replicate a weapon in her hand, than she can do alot of damage with that 2.
You can subdue a person with pressure points and other weak spots of the body. Strength can be overcome unless they are superman.
She can't replicate weapons or clothes apparently, but most of her opponents will be armed so she could often take their weapon and turn it on them.
Robin probably can't beat superhumans consistantly, but against the vast majority of the opponents out there she would easily defeat them. I think she's probably around Zoro's level of strength except against really powerful opponents in a single combat situation.
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She can't replicate weapons or clothes apparently, but most of her opponents will be armed so she could often take their weapon and turn it on them.
Robin probably can't beat superhumans consistantly, but against the vast majority of the opponents out there she would easily defeat them. I think she's probably around Zoro's level of strength except against really powerful opponents in a single combat situation.
Huh? Yama was super human and easily beaten.
I think it's more like she can't beat people that conflict with her powers. Anything that can't be broken right away with turn into a fight.
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Yama in the OP world is not super human and he wasn't easily beaten. That fight showed us that Robin's powers are limited.
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Yama in the OP world is not super human and he wasn't easily beaten. That fight showed us that Robin's powers are limited.
Yama was superhuman compared to quite a few people, he may have even had more physical strength then the priests (though that's not saying much). And, he was easily beaten as soon as they got out of the ruins, kind of like Sanji vs. Kuroobi. He was beaten in three attacks, and the last one was overkill.
Her limit is people who have unbreakable bones–she can't beat that just like Sanji can't beat women, or Zoro can't beat Buggy. Everyone else is fair game.
Also, if this strength theory is true, then why couldn't Robin just focus a lot of arms on one bone, like maybe in the leg? Robin must have good knowledge on the skeletal structure to dislocate bones. I doubt that Zoro and Sanji would be invincible to such an attack, or else why does knives and bullets still hurt them?
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I could see an attack like she did to Tashigi (except possibly with more arms) breaking Zoro or Sanji's bones.
And Yama was defeated in a very short time once they got out of the ruins. In fact, had she not given her speech on destroying history, he probably could've been beaten far quicker.
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Luffy can take any blunt attack so why do blades hurt him? that's basically the same thing with zoro and sanji they are physically strong enough to take blunt attacks as long as it's not some super powerful move. But a blade just cuts you but they also seem to take those very well also.
When zoro fought buggy he didn't know about his devil fruit, now that he knows im sure he would use the back of his sword.
And I'll say it one more time yama in the OP world is not super human, he's just stronger than lets say 10-20 normal marines.
You've seen the incredible hulk right? Think Robin could break his back? Hulk picks up buildings zoro picks up buildings their almost the same and zoro is still improving.
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Hulk would own Robin with negative effort, no doubt.
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Hulk would own zoro and sanji without negative affects as well.
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Hulk would own zoro and sanji with
outnegative affects as well.Of course. Hulk owns all OP characters.
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Huh? Yama was super human and easily beaten.
I think it's more like she can't beat people that conflict with her powers. Anything that can't be broken right away with turn into a fight.
When I say superhuman I mean CP9 level.
Although, Nami + Sanji managed to beat some CP9 and I would consider Robin stronger than both of them combined.
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Luffy can take any blunt attack so why do blades hurt him? that's basically the same thing with zoro and sanji they are physically strong enough to take blunt attacks as long as it's not some super powerful move. But a blade just cuts you but they also seem to take those very well also.
When zoro fought buggy he didn't know about his devil fruit, now that he knows im sure he would use the back of his sword.
And I'll say it one more time yama in the OP world is not super human, he's just stronger than lets say 10-20 normal marines.
You've seen the incredible hulk right? Think Robin could break his back? Hulk picks up buildings zoro picks up buildings their almost the same and zoro is still improving.
Only 20? He kicked a cannonball in mid flight! He, like the preists, is probably another one of those characters that can own the faceless masses, i.e. dozens of marines/pirates. That's minus the heavy hitters.
And saying Yama is weak in the OP world is isn't to good an argument…cause...all the people the SHs have fought actually aren't all that strong in the One Piece world--they still have the red line right? For that arc, however, he was a strong guy. After all, Robin never got a change to fight against the CP9.
And no, no one can beat the hulk, but Zoro and Sanji aren't like that. The point you're missing here is that while Zoro and Sanji are strong ,they lack this ability to overpower attacks with sheer muscle.
For example, Ms. Monday punched Zoro in the head--and though not phasing him--caused a pretty bloody injury, and she's pretty weak in the long run. She can't lift a house, all she lifted was logs and barrels.
This isn't like DBZ, where every enemy is overpowered. Zoro and Sanji take damage the same as all humans, the difference is they can take a lot of it and keep going. Honestly, the more likely scenario is that Zoro and Sanji would get their backs broken, but still get up and fight for some reason.
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And no, no one can beat the hulk, but Zoro and Sanji aren't like that. The point you're missing here is that while Zoro and Sanji are strong ,they lack this ability to overpowered things with sheer muscle.
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@Octogon:
lol .
Come to think to it "attacks" would to more appropirate then "things." Yes, thanks for pointing this out with such a smart post.:getlost: Anyway, my Ms. Monday point still stands, so deal with it instead of making these troll posts.
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Come to think to it "attacks" would to more appropirate then "things." Yes, thanks for pointing this out with such a smart post.:getlost:
You are welcome. :happy:
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Onemoment no matter how much you try to make yama sound powerful, it's not going to change the fact that he isn't. In the end even if you truly believe that zoro is not as strong as 100 women that is your your choice.
But i think zoro has now reached a level where he is just too fast, if robin to attack he would sense it and you would see the screen go black and a slash across the screen. That is the only other way he could win that,s probably how i see mihawk beating someone like that -
In order for Zoro to beat Mihawk, he has to let go of himself and become one with his blade. There's a sword style for this, called Iaido. It's literally a style where the blade is drawn, attack is done, and the sword is sheathed, all in one fluid movement. Mihawk clearly demonstrates this when he blocks the bullets of one of Krieg's pirates and the pirate doesn't even realize that it happened. He thought he missed.
Zoro can't beat Mihawk with strength alone. That much is certain. Zoro's strong enough to beat Mihawk, but he's not unconscious enough with his sword to beat him.
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Dunno about you guys, but i know that robin is smart and even though an archaeologist she prolly knows alot about human anatomy and places where one would become stunned if pressed… so if she could take cp9 off guard she might be able to win...
Also If she used all her 100 parts(anything from hands to legs) to fill up a room or restrain her oponent with those 100 parts it might immobilize the oponent :p
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I said "that's how zoro would beat robin" if people can't seem to understand he is far too strong.
not "that's how zoro would beat mihawk" or have i just mis read your post?
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The strengths that Zoro would bring to bear against Mihawk are not necessarily the ones that would secure a victory for him against Robin. That being said I think Zoro is stronger than Robin.
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There's no question Zoro is stronger than Robin. The question is more of a tactical one: Can Robin beat Zoro with her attacks? Now, that's perfectly plausible. Her Grappling could put him in a difficult situation to break free from, but it would require a lot of planning on her part. Zoro's not exactly the sharpest pencil in the drawer, but he's not as stupid as Luffy is. He's also very adept at combat and understanding his opponent (Luffy is too, but let's omit that for now). With Zoro's understanding of Robin's attacks, she really wouldn't stand a chance.
Zoro's not unbeatable, however. Enel easily beat him with his Goro Goro fruit. His incredible strength and swordsmanship are no match for a logia… yet. And possibly some paramecia, as well.
As for Robin... Zoro knows her too well for her to win.
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With a power like that, I don't see how any of you doubted she could have escaped on her own. Quantity is the key here.
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Onemoment no matter how much you try to make yama sound powerful, it's not going to change the fact that he isn't. In the end even if you truly believe that zoro is not as strong as 100 women that is your your choice.
But i think zoro has now reached a level where he is just too fast, if robin to attack he would sense it and you would see the screen go black and a slash across the screen. That is the only other way he could win that,s probably how i see mihawk beating someone like thatNo, Yama's not powerful, he just has qualities about him that are different from Zoro and Sanji. He is much heavier, and a hand to hand fighter.
But you know, I forgot that I once said something about this in vs. topics. Robin's performance against Yama really has no bearing on anything…since no on else fights like Yama. This isn't DBZ with power levels and crap, just cause Luffy beat Enel and Enel beat Luffy does not mean that Luffy can beat Zoro.
With that said, a fight against Robin and Zoro could be pretty even, but to assume that Zoro would overpower Robin's arms is insulting. Besides Robin has shown that she can fight with her powers using techniques other then "clutch"--which has been the basis of the whole arguement.
What if Robin grabs their ankles while running? What if Robin grows arm out of a tree and picks them up? What if she covers their eyes? What if she puts arms on them mid attack and messes them up? Isn't Robin supposed to have a deadly style of fighting through her devil fruit?
Robin really has a lot of options, and what's worse is that she can sprout those limbs endlessly and instantly. She could grow arms behind Zoro while Zoro is dealing with the current ones. And is 100 arms even the limit?
Really, Robin would probably be a worse opponent for Zoro and Sanji then any of the CP9. The same with all the SH vs fights, since they all know each others styles. Although, I don't think Zoro and Robin have seen each other fight.
Really, vs. threads are always "if they use this attacks, they'll pwn!" Doesn't anyone ever consider that--in this case--Robin will counter? And that Zoro will counter after that? And again and again, until some crazy plot twist happens to mess everything up.
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I said this a few pages ago, but what if Zoro cuts all her arms off, and repeats until he gets close enough to cut her up?
The problem is that we never seen anyone try to hurt her arms. I mean if anyone tried to cut the arms off, what would happen? Would she get hurt? I say probably not, and as a result, she can just constantly produce her arms and immobilize anyone. On the other hand, I think Zoro is definitely strong enough to over power her arms with brute strength, and for that matter there are ALOT of people in the GL that should be strong enough to over power her. In the end, Robin would still have gained the advantage in a fight because no matter how strong an opponent is, she would still be able to immobilize him/her until the latter breaks free with brute force.
So even if Zoro can over power Robin, she would have at least immobilized him for a bit of time, and in that time she could come up with a plan to defeat him (eg, throw him off a cliff, or stab him with something).
IF, on the other hand, she DOES get hurt when someone hurts her extention arms, then she isn't that strong but still very strong. It all depends on HOW hurt she gets. But like I said…. I doubt it