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Now that we know that a players "guilt" is tracked and revealed when a player dies, I could certainly see "acting strange" being an indication of guilt rather than the actions you took that night.

Hmm yes, does sound quite plausible. But I assure you, all I did was Follow one night, and Sleep the next.

My only other guess at the strange read is that it comes up for those who have low Willpower, regardless of their guilt.

That would be very weird and misleading, I think.

Today's "acting strange" accusation makes no sense to me. The only explanation I can think of is that you're making it up. Wouldn't have been hard to pull off, I think, particularly if you waited for everyone else's "strange" reports first.

Kirbycide

You implied the same thing yesterday when Snowy-girl accused you because of the strange read that she got.

Was she making it up, too?

SkullJoke

Honestly, since I'm the only one whose "strange action" was triggered by a Follow, I can see how my story seems sketchy. I would suspect me if I weren't me

I'd really like to believe acting strange is a consequence of a previous night only, since then I could be vindicated if someone watched or followed me. (or did my action and found similar results) But with the lasting guilt theory, regardless what I do in the night, I cannot prove my innocence.

Jabberwok

Hannybal, looking back on your report from when you failed to watch me, how well does "wandering in circles" seem to match up with Buggy's description of your failure?

I was told I searched for you for a while but couldn't find you, given that it's hard to see things at night.

I'm also unclear if Queen's death this morning was the result of someone else's actions or if he was simply the one who rolled lowest on Athletics. If it's the latter, I don't see much point in Lynching someone today.

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It's also possible that any change in Willpower will trigger an "acting strange" read. Though if Batman's Willpower is just 1, I'm surprised more of us didn't get an alert on him today.

Kirbycide

I was told I searched for you for a while but couldn't find you, given that it's hard to see things at night.

I'm also unclear if Queen's death this morning was the result of someone else's actions or if he was simply the one who rolled lowest on Athletics. If it's the latter, I don't see much point in Lynching someone today.

My failed watch report from last night was very similar.

From the introduction to this morning, I think that it’s pretty clear that Queen just failed the athletics check. That said…

You don’t think that we should worry about the strange read on Batman, given that the only two others who gave them are confirmed guilty?

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It's also possible that any change in Willpower will trigger an "acting strange" read.

This is very unlikely, because my Willpower increased from 2 to 3 over the course of the first night.

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Hannya-boy, you should be able to confirm the style of Batman’s claimed report from Night 1, I think.

You watched me last night, right?

Jabberwok

Hannya-boy, you should be able to confirm the style of Batman’s claimed report from Night 1, I think.

You watched me last night, right?

I did. My report said that you were hunched over the ledge the whole night, not moving. That seems odd to me if you were watching Batman, who was allegedly sleeping.

Kirbycide

I did. My report said that you were hunched over the ledge the whole night, not moving. That seems odd to me if you were watching Batman, who was allegedly sleeping.

My report says that I tried to watch Batman, but could not find him despite my best efforts. And not to feel too badly about it.

SkullJoke

I did. My report said that you were hunched over the ledge the whole night, not moving. That seems odd to me if you were watching Batman, who was allegedly sleeping.

Sounds more like someone who successfully watched, no?

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A failed watch is more stumbling about in the dark

Kirbycide

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I don’t appreciate you trying to discredit my report, Bat-boy…!

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Personally, I would think that a failed follow entails moving about. Watching feels more stationary.

SkullJoke

I can't make any sense of a strange read on me today.

The only stealth activity I engaged in was yesterday. Today I slept, which Buggy pretty much revealed, and if anyone else attempts it later, they can back up my report on its effects.
Supposing I did attempt a murder a night ago, would it make sense that the guilt is still lingering? Attempted murder seems to be a lighter guilt level than successful murder* (red vs bold red)
Supposing I did attempt a murder either of the nights, whom did I try to attack? As nobody has been able to watch me successfully, we can surmise my stealth is pretty good. So if I tried but failed to kill someone, they would have to have 1) very high Athletics to beat my Stealth and 2)not have been watched successfully. Does anyone fit that description?
I believe Hannyabal's perception is pretty good. How did he (and Monet) not get any read of me today, when I had no willpower in the night?

5)Mr Two-Face's failed Watch report is a rehash of Ms Frost's failed Follow report from yesterday. However, and please correct me if I'm wrong Hannyabal, Hannyabal's failed Watch report was more akin to stumbling around in the dark.

In my messages about failing to following Nami, Buggy said things along the lines of "It's okay. You tried your best." and "It's really difficult to follow someone in the dark"

(These are paraphrased by the way)

Jabberwok

Even then, I'm not sure. My fail message from the previous night actually mentioned me attempting to follow Monet and not finding her, so I'm wondering if there was maybe a slight mix-up there. Either way, I'm hesitant to read too much into it.

Kirbycide

I can't make any sense of a strange read on me today.

I'm still of the opinion that you're either guilty because of an attempted kill on night 1 and/or night 2, or I got the report simply because your willpower is low. If Hannya-boy could let us know what his willpower is, it might clear up the second option.

The only stealth activity I engaged in was yesterday. Today I slept, which Buggy pretty much revealed, and if anyone else attempts it later, they can back up my report on its effects.

I'm not sure that Buggy's introduction implies that you must have only slept last night. For example, I lost a different amount of ability points on nights 1 and 2, even though I attempted the same action each time. There might be a chance that you lose no points, even if you perform an action.

Supposing I did attempt a murder a night ago, would it make sense that the guilt is still lingering? Attempted murder seems to be a lighter guilt level than successful murder* (red vs bold red)

Yes, it would make sense that the guilt remains, in my opinion. You're right that the bold font does seem to indicate a greater level of guilt… but that only makes sense if Miss Catburglar actually was the murderer. Maybe you were the murderer and the bold font doesn't mean anything at all. This would still mean that Nami-chan attempted murder on night 1, though.

Supposing I did attempt a murder either of the nights, whom did I try to attack? As nobody has been able to watch me successfully, we can surmise my stealth is pretty good. So if I tried but failed to kill someone, they would have to have 1) very high Athletics to beat my Stealth and 2)not have been watched successfully. Does anyone fit that description?

I do. My athletics is high, and no one watched or followed me on night 1.

I believe Hannyabal's perception is pretty good. How did he (and Monet) not get any read of me today, when I had no willpower in the night?

I think that Nami-chan may have been lying about getting a strange read on Queen yesterday. If that's the case, then each of you, Nami-chan, and Queen gave a strange read to only one other player. I did not get a strange read on Queen yesterday, but my watch report was enough for me to know that he had been up to no good.

5)Mr Two-Face's failed Watch report is a rehash of Ms Frost's failed Follow report from yesterday. However, and please correct me if I'm wrong Hannyabal, Hannyabal's failed Watch report was more akin to stumbling around in the dark.

Yes, my failed report from last night does sound a lot like what Miss Harpy said her's sounded like.

I'm not entirely sure what to make of all of this. I'm pretty sure that I'll survive another night because of my Athletics score, so I'm not really worried about getting murdered. But there are some skills that I don't really have high scores in, and I'd like not to have to lose any other members of the group who should be able to perform those tasks in my place.

SkullJoke

Even then, I'm not sure. My fail message from the previous night actually mentioned me attempting to follow Monet and not finding her, so I'm wondering if there was maybe a slight mix-up there. Either way, I'm hesitant to read too much into it.

Hmmm Bon Clay did also mention not being able to find me.

Gives credibility to his failed Watch report
And as my stealth is high, a Watch probably would have failed

But the strange read still makes no sense to me.

Kirbycide

Alright, well. This discussion doesn't seem to be getting us very far, and it's definitely not going to help us find any sustenance.

What's that, you say? I sound like I'm hungry? Stop jokin' around~~~!

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Try: Search high and low for anything to eat… maybe there's fruit on this ivy?

SkullJoke

I'm not sure that Buggy's introduction implies that you must have only slept last night. For example, I lost a different amount of ability points on nights 1 and 2, even though I attempted the same action each time. There might be a chance that you lose no points, even if you perform an action.

At day break, everyone gathered at the temporary camp we made to get some shut eye, though, by the look of it, no one really managed to get any sleep after all.

Too bad that most of us woke up feeling more tired than when we went to sleep. But, no rest for the weary… there was still a day's climb to be completed.

I mean, he pretty clearly implied someone slept, and it would have been ridiculous of me to claim it was me before other people told their actions if it wasn't me, since the real sleeper could've counter-claimed. The first quote + his mentioning of how my walking around in circles exhausted me is what gave me the idea to sleep in the first place. Unless you're suggesting we can do two actions in the night?

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Alright, well. This discussion doesn't seem to be getting us very far, and it's definitely not going to help us find any sustenance.

What's that, you say? I sound like I'm hungry? Stop jokin' around~~~!

spin spin spin
Try: Search high and low for anything to eat… maybe there's fruit on this ivy?

Ironically, I was being genuine when I suggested sleeping. I haven't had any luck finding any sort of provisions in the days. So sleeping is the only way I've found to not lose stats. That's part of why I followed Hannyabal the first night - he'd found something the first day, so I'd hoped following him would lead to a potion or other useful discovery.

But there are some skills that I don't really have high scores in, and I'd like not to have to lose any other members of the group who should be able to perform those tasks in my place

But if you lynch me, you'll lose me :sad:

Kirbycide

I mean, he pretty clearly implied someone slept, and it would have been ridiculous of me to claim it was me before other people told their actions if it wasn't me, since the real sleeper could've counter-claimed. The first quote + his mentioning of how my walking around in circles exhausted me is what gave me the idea to sleep in the first place. Unless you're suggesting we can do two actions in the night?

I'm saying that we can lose a variable amount of ability points each night due to exhaustion, and I'm guessing that it might be possible to lose zero, even if you perform an action at night.

In such a case, you'd wake up feeling the same level of exhaustion as the night before.

Also, it's really not clear to me how Willpower points are gained… so I wouldn't assume that you gained your point last night due to sleeping unless Buggy specifically told you so.

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But if you lynch me, you'll lose me :sad:

That's true. But if we don't you might kill Miss Harpy, who seems to be the only one with any Crafting ability.

SkullJoke

That's true. But if we don't you might kill Miss Harpy, who seems to be the only one with any Crafting ability.

I would never! Even if I had attempted to kill the first night, I wouldn't be so dumb to try it now, with all the Watching and Following happening (and strange reads).

Plus, if she died, I'd definitely be lynched the next day.

And even then you wouldn't be at a disadvantage, because you and Hnnyabal would have super low thresholds to survive the coming rooms.

Jabberwok

You know, I'm something of a craftsman myself. I'm sure I'd be even more adroit after a good night's sleep.

My willpower is high but my stealth is not. That's all I'll say.

kmohyudin

Try: Search high and low for anything to eat… maybe there's fruit on this ivy?

You don't find anything, but conclude that ivy itself might be edible.

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Bon Clay

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Xasy

I'm worried about surviving until morning, but I feel that even if Batman has attempted murder, it would be inadvisable for him to attempt it again at this stage of the game.

I'm willing to take the chance.

Try: Eating the ivy

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Yes, it would make sense that the guilt remains, in my opinion. You're right that the bold font does seem to indicate a greater level of guilt… but that only makes sense if Miss Catburglar actually was the murderer. Maybe you were the murderer and the bold font doesn't mean anything at all. This would still mean that Nami-chan attempted murder on night 1, though.

Yes it has a purpose. It reflects the severity of their guilt when they died.

Based on the wording Buggy used here, I believe that Nami is indeed the killer. It reflects the severity of their guilt, and not whether they are guilty.

I'm saying that we can lose a variable amount of ability points each night due to exhaustion, and I'm guessing that it might be possible to lose zero, even if you perform an action at night.

I can confirm I performed an action and did not lose points yesterday.

I will also say that, due to a mistake on Buggy's part, I was still aware that it was possible to lose points from exhaustion.

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This rather abhorrent, and I dare not suggest it directly, but I will point out a few things:

We are all starving.
There are two bodies in the room with us.

kmohyudin

Try: Eating the ivy

You try taking a handful of leaves and putting them in your mouth. To your surprise, they taste rather well, a bit pungent and tangy, but also minty. Although you don't really care for the taste, as much as if they would be fulfilling… You continue eating the younger looking leaves until you are satisfied, you finish of your meal with a drink of cold fresh water. Your only regret is that you couldn't cook the ivy on account of you being in the middle of a climb.

Although only time would tell if there will be any heath crisis to follow, for now you feel fine. Your stats would not decrease any further.

This rather abhorrent, and I dare not suggest it directly, but I will point out a few things:

We are all starving.

There are two bodies in the room with us.

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D:

Are you mad!? Morality and health aside, you should note two things:

the dead are watching intently, and probably wouldn't appreciate you desecrating their bodies, and
that both bodies have fallen into the chasm down below. If you plan to reach them, you will sooner reach the dead in heaven, then you would their physical forms.

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Bon Clay

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SkullJoke

Buggy ruled it Money's idea, but I was going to say that maybe Queen was in full dinosaur form when he fell… Still morally wrong, but perhaps a bit easier on the conscience (and the gut) than the other option

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*ruled out Monet's

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I have bad experiences with Ivy. But that water sounds refreshing.

Try: Drinking cold water

Xasy

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D:

Are you mad!? Morality and health aside, you should note two things:

the dead are watching intently, and probably wouldn't appreciate you desecrating their bodies, and

that both bodies have fallen into the chasm down below. If you plan to reach them, you will sooner reach the dead in heaven, then you would their physical forms.

Desecrating bodies? I'm not sure what you're talking about.

I only noted a couple details regarding out current situation to my starving friends here, while I enjoyed my salad.

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~~How do we know there was nothing of interest on the bodies if they fell to the bottom of the chasm?~~

Kirbycide

silently watches Snowy-girl munch on the ivy

stomach growls

begins to drool

I can’t take it anymore~!

Try: Eat the ivy and drink the clear water

If this is how we die, then may we die gracefully! Okama Way~~~!

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Xasy

We're in this together now Bon Clay.

Whether we live or die, at least we had a nice salad.

Jabberwok

I'm not sure I can still perform an action today but

Try: Eat the vertical salad

SkullJoke

I was rereading the opening post and found this bit interesting:

Alchemy or craft will allow you to use machines or equipment. This would be the mechanism through which you will get "powers" - in Mafia lingo.

While Stealth and Perception can be used for killing, following, avoiding being watched, and watching, and Athletics seems useful to avoid being killed, Craft seems to not lend itself to night actions..
Unless there are some power type actions that can be done at night?

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Try: Grabbing a fish from the waterfall

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Try: pocketing some ivy leaves for later

kmohyudin

Try: Eat the ivy and drink the clear water

Try: Eat the vertical salad

Cool.

I'm not sure I can still perform an action today but

Broadly speaking the rule is that you can't have the same type of interaction with an item twice. Either you need to change the target, or the action… It has always been contextually clear to me, but let me attempt to put it in words... Like someone can find a potion and then drink it, because it's different interaction, but can't keep attempting to find the potion again and again... otherwise it will never end.

Similarly, on the first day I think, someone attempted to confirm the existence of the vent (I think) which I denied. Reason was that I had already run a perception check for that particular interaction in the morning, so doing it again would violate this rule. I hope it makes sense?

Try: Drinking cold water

Alright.

Try: Grabbing a fish from the waterfall

You noticed there are no fish in the water.

Try: pocketing some ivy leaves for later

You have received a packet of ivy leaves (edible).

before anyone else attempts this, let me just say, it is unnecessary to store the item in case you have already consumed it.
Also, just for the sake of completion, I'd like to note that eating Ivy was a free action (no checks necessary) but pocketing it required a craft check (with a low threshold).

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Finally after two days of climbing, and two deaths, the party finally reached the summit. It was an exhausting climb, but well worth the view. From the top, the shaft looked absolutely gorgeous...

As the party turned around, they noticed a wide plain ahead of them, and on the other side two paths heading out. There were also some dried pieces of lumber laying about...

Buggy: A wide plain beside a beautiful view… some lumber... you realize what this flashily means don't you morons!! Bon Clay + Batman: Grin
All three: PIRATE BONFIRE!!!!!!!!!!

The whole party decided to gather up the lumber and light a bonfire to celebrate their success in reaching this far. They were almost at the exit…

HINT:

Due to the effects of the bonfire, everyone has taken a one point reduction to their stealth stat. This effect is temporary.

Buggy: Tomorrow is going to be hard, but tonight we party! Gyahahahhahahahaha Hannyabal: Waddaya means hickup hardzzz Buggy: Are you drunk? ```
HINT:

Due to the intoxicating effects of Ivy, everyone who has eaten it will remain in a state of stupor and will retain a one point reduction in all of their stats. This effect is temporary.

The party remained by the bonfire talking through the night. The main concern was, which route to take tomorrow?

HINT:
You are free to keep discussion open in this thread tonight, but you cannot perform any night actions in the meantime. You will need to decide which route you want to take, the left one or the right one. If all four of you take the same route, tomorrow will continue in this thread. Otherwise, I will make separate threads on discord where you will continue tomorrow.

To choose a path, mention it in bold.

When you are ready to adjourn, use:

[b]#goingtosleep

[/b]in bold (yes, we are using hashtags now... look at us all hip and stuff). At which point you will be able to use your night actions.

Have a nice partaaaaay!

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**Day 3 has ended, night 3 has begun!**

SkullJoke

If we all go the same way, do we skip night actions?

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Never mind, that doesn't make any sense. I was thinking he meant tomorrow would continue immediately in this thread.

kmohyudin

If we all go the same way, do we skip night actions?

No, after you have decided either way, you can use the hashtag and then the night will proceed as usual.

By the way, night is still 24 hours, including this time, and the subsequent night actions you will perform. Anyone you ends their discussion here (via the hashtag) can then perform their night actions without waiting for others to retire.

SkullJoke

So what do you say guys, should we split up or all go together?

Kirbycide

Let’s - hic - stick together!

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Vote: Left Route

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kmohyudin

Just to be clear, you are NOT voting. I mean you could vote to decide among yourselves.

But, I would only count it if you commit your own personal choice. Something like:

I will go left tomorrow

Jabberwok

Can we buuUUUUUURRRRP see anything that distinguishes the paths?

Try: Scan the left path

kmohyudin

Can we buuUUUUUURRRRP see anything that distinguishes the paths?

Try: Scan the left path

Well, it's not day, so you can't have day actions either…

The whole point of this is to decide whether you want to travel together or split up, by thinking of the pros and cons of each. If you want to split up, would it be a 3/1 split or a 2/2 split? Can you trust others to follow through with their commitment, they are of course deciding for themselves... etc. These are just a few, there are many other considerations.

Jabberwok

That's not fair, Bu-hic-uggy, you can split up and go both ways! Here, we'll hold on to one of your eras and then the rest of you can go scout the other way for us.

kmohyudin