I think everyone here got that at this point.
Not the guy who I forgot to quote, apparently. :ninja:
I think everyone here got that at this point.
Not the guy who I forgot to quote, apparently. :ninja:
This week's chapter.
This one…
For whatever reason I thought it was chopper.
I got distracted by Kaido. My bad.
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Kaido confirmed to have the Coyote Zoan: Model Wile E.
So, Kaidou probably went after Whitebeard before the big war because he wanted to die in battle, not only to be a dick.
Interested in how Kaidou got to the sky island, basically how he gets around period seeing as most people we've seen traveling alone in One Piece are devil fruit users. That in itself is amazing since, unless I'm forgetting something, this is the first time in the manga we've seen an Emperor without any subordinates.
We don't know if he has subordinates or not.
Doflamingo was always waltzing around alone before we even saw his crew
@Doffy.:
Why not just say what you really wanted which is for Oda to show Sanji being a badass in front of Big Mom's crew rather than constantly trying to hide behind blatant bs ? It might make your posts seem less obnoxious than they already are and you won't have to resort to "look guys i said something good about the chapter didn't i ? " like a certain banned member used to do here .
Wow … Congratulations you really are the first one after a long long time to get the privilege.
Maybe we will see each other again but for now goodbye
Putting you in Kaido's shoes:
Well when you get captured, you are captured. Once you are captrued you don't really get a say in what happens to you. You can get tortued multiple times a day for weeks as a result of one capture. Then they eventually decide to end your life. So they hang you, and what happens? You live. So they try it again after a few more tortures and then ut still doesn't work. You get the point?
Well obviously he always escaped. I doubt he is to much into long period of torture or even that his jailor would keep him too long after 2nd or 3rd they got him and know they can't off him. 40 death sentence and 18 captures I can understand(although I'm surprised we never heard anything about a guy that get captured and put on death row so often) but a 1000 of tortures that's some crazy long time he would need to spend there.
Well the shit taking place with Urouge is on the following day. And wait what? The silhouette is obviously Kaido… It looks exactly like the hole in the ground... Did you read the manga? Are people still reading before posting? I'm pretty sure the guy walked in and told Kaido, he said the smile gravy train is over or something to that effect. That isnt something you say when you go to Kaido's castle and know he isn't there. I mean how do you people come up with this shit
The guy was searching for Kaido.
The page where Urouge learn someone is there is before the big silhouette. Which means the scene with Kaido on sky island is either before or at the same time the mook is searching for him. So Kaido wasn't on that island and still doesn't have the news.
That girl ate a smile, just as Momo did; and she doesn't seem to be on the 'bad side', just as we know momo isn't. Then likely the arc will have a special development of their relationship. the dragon Momo and the fox girl.
Well we were all speculating how Kidd and co would even get passed a Yonkous forces and commanders, and if so, could the 3 captains fresh take on a Yonkou.
This could possibly be the best time to showcase it.. if they don't know who that man is, it would sort of be unfair because they are half prepared.
But nonetheless, that's crazy. They're talking about Kaido getting slapped in the face and happy that they're not clashing on which emperor to fight.
Then the man pops out there. How scary is that?
the so called resources is the only reason i see kid not going ballistic. kid is to arrogant to be scared. Eigher way that certain to entertain me.
I want darth back. It isn't the same without his silly shenanigans around this group? :sad:
@Don:
I think most of those times he willingly let himself being captured and tortured.
Afterall it´s his hobby to do suicide and his will to die sure made him hope that someone would be able to kill him like that.
Those defeats might be from fights versus WB or Roger.
^But being defeated could have been, because Kaidou was dissappointed that they couldn´t kill him and so he let them blow him away :)
Don´t think many people existed that were able to defeat him when he was giving it all, but yonkou seem to battle each other from time to time and they seem to always get a draw out of it^^
Dunno. I can't imagine him having such fetish on torture. After 200 times you probably get that you aren't going to get killed in that way.
I sure hope the 7 defeats are totally legit loss. Only 7 loss is already a crazy good track record.
I wonder who put such nasty scar on him. For now I'll say Whitebeard when they first met and refused to kill him or something like that.
Dunno. I can't imagine him having such fetish on torture. After 200 times you probably get that you aren't going to get killed in that way.
I sure hope the 7 defeats are totally legit loss. Only 7 loss is already a crazy good track record.
I wonder who put such nasty scar on him. For now I'll say Whitebeard when they first met and refused to kill him or something like that.
It's very intriguing. You instantly want to know about his story. What makes him be that way?
And for the action part, yes, who were the rivals on those 7 defeats? Most likely all of them are his way to his top condition… Talking about it, I don't like much he's sick.
I want darth back. It isn't the same without his silly shenanigans around this group? :sad:
some one has to raise to the occasion. Ararara.
some one has to raise to the occasion. Ararara.
I'm the guy with the pregnant Chick figures. What do you expect? lol
Kaidou is so awesome xD
The idea of him having a DF seems weird as he has been sentenced to death however many times, and it failed. Were they using seastone cuffs?
I don't want his main level of strength to come from anything but his own ability, as the whole "immortality" idea doesn't really fit with common sense.
Oda's probably going to go all out on the twist regarding this guy and his legendary status. Lets just say I'd impressed if anyone manages to predict this curveball.
I like the idea that his haki activates subconsciously and protects him. Similar to the CP-9 guy.
Doesn't really make sense that prison ships would sink though.
I like the idea that his haki activates subconsciously and protects him. Similar to the CP-9 guy.
Doesn't really make sense that prison ships would sink though.
He probably destroyed them himself.
Dunno. I can't imagine him having such fetish on torture. After 200 times you probably get that you aren't going to get killed in that way.
I sure hope the 7 defeats are totally legit loss. Only 7 loss is already a crazy good track record.
I wonder who put such nasty scar on him. For now I'll say Whitebeard when they first met and refused to kill him or something like that.
By that logic he also didn´t have to try his jump in this chapter.
I think that guy is bored and what else to do, when you can have a good old torture.
Afterall we all spend a bit too much time with our hobbys sometimes ;)
Having lost only so often while guys like Roger,WB,Shiki,Shanks and BigMum are around (also marine guys like Garp and Akainu) sure isn´t surprising.
Must be weird for him after being earthquaked by WB to stand up and say:
"Well, that guy sure can fight, but that sucker still isn´t able to finish me…dayum!"
So this chapter basically confirms that the story is going towards the big guns now, Yonkou and Admirals and such. But my only pet peeve with that is it doesn't feel like Luffy has gotten the development of strength to compete with those guys. Obviously none of the Supernovas have so far, but if the Straw Hats and the others are diving straight into the Yonkou; are alliances the only way to defeat the Yonkou? While I'm not entirely opposed to the idea of that, wouldn't that cheapen Luffy's path to the PK? As well as cheapen the strength and development of the New Age pirates?
It's very intriguing that even he can't kill himself. It's an archetype. But aside of that, what can't do Kaido? He couldn't reach WB because somehow Shanks stopped him; so he can't defeat a capable team. That's sure since he needed an army to get what he wants to get. And he can't reach Raftel neither.
It's very intriguing. You instantly want to know about his story. What makes him be that way?
And for the action part, yes, who were the rivals on those 7 defeats? Most likely all of them are his way to his top condition… Talking about it, I don't like much he's sick.
1. Whitebeard
2. Shanks
3. Garp/Sengoku
4. Big Mom?
5. Dragon?
6. Forgot Roger!
7. No clue
all guesses of course.
8. Luffy (duh!)
9. Blackbeard (if his fruit gives him immortality, guess who can actually kill him?)
It's very intriguing. You instantly want to know about his story. What makes him be that way?
And for the action part, yes, who were the rivals on those 7 defeats? Most likely all of them are his way to his top condition… Talking about it, I don't like much he's sick.
I say at least 2 from whitebeard (since he's been pirating so long, 1 from Roger(he's too crazy to not fight the 2 strongest), 1 from Garp(he seems to have chased every important pirate of the story)… That makes 4 of them and I have no idea for the rest.
Of course if ganging on him count you can add Shanks and Big mom crew and the Sengoku/Garp duo. I doubt he's fought any important battle with marines recently. Pirates are more interesting ancestors they have decent subordinate that makes him more likely to die.
It's very intriguing. You instantly want to know about his story. What makes him be that way?
And for the action part, yes, who were the rivals on those 7 defeats? Most likely all of them are his way to his top condition… Talking about it, I don't like much he's sick.
I'd love to know who it was, probly WB, Roger, Garp/Sengoku, Shiki, maybe Zephyr? But I feel like it won't be revealed, it will just be an ambiguous thing that happened in his past that is there to establish the character.
While I'm not entirely opposed to the idea of that, wouldn't that cheapen Luffy's path to the PK? As well as cheapen the strength and development of the New Age pirates?
No man, that's the story. Anyway, with that set up I hope some moments of shine for Zoro and Sanji and the others, because they really need those moments.
Also the G4 is basically a set up to the next step in Luffy's development, because the bouncing movement he enters when he uses G4 is kind of ridiculous, and I hope that's not what Oda meant when he said he wanted a hero with a ridiculous power… And sure G4 doesn't work against Kaido. He's on a different league.
No man, that's the story. Anyway, with that set up I hope some moments of shine for Zoro and Sanji and the others, because they really need those moments.
Also the G4 is basically a set up to the next step in Luffy's development, because the bouncing movement he enters when he uses G4 is kind of ridiculous, and I hope that's not what Oda meant when he said he wanted a hero with a ridiculous power… And sure G4 doesn't work against Kaido. He's on a different league.
The King Kong Gun would work,
But the Kong Gun wouldn't
@Don:
By that logic he also didn´t have to try his jump in this chapter.
I think that guy is bored and what else to do, when you can have a good old torture.
Afterall we all spend a bit too much time with our hobbys sometimes ;)
Well trying to off yourself is pretty different them getting tortured.
A dive from a sky island is a fast thing and may work. 3 months of torture from the guy who failed twice already to kill you seem like a waste of time. You could have try at least 20 other exentric killing method and fought 3-4 other massive rampage.
Having lost only so often while guys like Roger,WB,Shiki,Shanks and BigMum are around (also marine guys like Garp and Akainu) sure isn´t surprising.
Must be weird for him after being earthquaked by WB to stand up and say:
"Well, that guy sure can fight, but that sucker still isn´t able to finish me…dayum!"
I'm really looking forward on seeing the first time he took on Whitebeard.
I doubt Akainu ever got a shot at him. Or one of them would be dead today. I do expect an encounter with Garp tho. That monkey fought everyone.
No man, that's the story. Anyway, with that set up I hope some moments of shine for Zoro and Sanji and the others, because they really need those moments.
Also the G4 is basically a set up to the next step in Luffy's development, because the bouncing movement he enters when he uses G4 is kind of ridiculous, and I hope that's not what Oda meant when he said he wanted a hero with a ridiculous power… And sure G4 doesn't work against Kaido. He's on a different league.
Sorry if I'm misunderstanding, but do you mean the story is leading to just alliances?
And I think Gear Fourth isn't the only thing Luffy has up his sleeve, each Gear has a different use. They're not necessarily power levels, just new uses for new foes. So there might be more to Gear Fourth, and maybe even new Gears for new oppurtunities.
Funny enough but I don't see why 30% is supposed to have been a crazy guess from Law. The guy is strong for sure but it's not Law was presented as the kind to rush without a plan or suggested to take him head-on.
Sorry if I'm misunderstanding, but do you mean the story is leading to just alliances?
It's a premise Law let us know when he proposed Luffy to make an alliance. But alliances are not a sweet paradaise but a convenient and selfish relationship. It's an interesting figure since you make teamwork, but you are keeping an eye on your mates aswell as your enemies. Apo doesn't trust KId for sure. The only one capable to trust everybody is Luffy. But's that's ok since he's an stupid selfish pirate who wants to be the king.
It's very intriguing that even he can't kill himself. It's an archetype. But aside of that, what can't do Kaido? He couldn't reach WB because somehow Shanks stopped him; so he can't defeat a capable team. That's sure since he needed an army to get what he wants to get. And he can't reach Raftel neither.
I doubt he tried. I doubt any yonkou tried.
It's funny that Law say that meeting a yonkou face to face is difficult because of their huge crew. And then Kaido showed up at Kidd's backyard after failed attempted suicide. Lol
Seriously, how did Kaidou get up there!?
As many have suggested, Kaidou could have try jumping into ocean. But I guess "Yonkou Kaido drowned to death" is kinda a boring headline.
Admittedly, this chapter was a bit of mess in terms of how the contents was delivered. Sanji and co totally got overshadowed by kaidou appearance.
I personally think he get up there using thousand of balloons tied on his body, just like how those tiny robots getting on moon in enel cover story. At least I think those ballons below Sky island is Kaido's.
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I personally think he get up there using thousand of balloons tied on his body, just like how those tiny robots getting on moon in enel cover story. At least I think those ballons below Sky island is Kaido's.
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I thought the balloons were funny because it slipped out of little kids hands and got stuck up there.
@Steven:
Bad trans. He doesn't say that, and in my recollection of the raw panel is expressing frustration/jealousy that WB got to die.
ah i should've assumed the translation was off. He did try to fight WB though and WB showed up to MF unharmed besides his disease
ah i should've assumed the translation was off. He did try to fight WB though and WB showed up to MF unharmed besides his disease
Come on man, that's cause beast shanks stopped beast Kaido
I've just read the chapter and I have to say it was quite good baring not having a clue where Sanji and them are.
My theory to why Kaido went to attack Whitebeard before the war.
Kaido believed the most likely person to kill him would be Whitebeard and the fact that it was shown and spoken about. You do not touch Whitebeards Nakama. Kaido believes Whitebeard will go threw anything and everyone to retrieve Ace which he almost did. So he tried to have Whitebeard kill him before going to Marineford unfortunately for him however Shanks intercepted him.
Come on man, that's cause beast shanks stopped beast Kaido
right, my point is Kaido is weaker than either shanks, WB, or both. One of them had an encounter with him and came back unharmed when he was looking for a fight to either kill boredom or himself. I don't think he just walked away after shanks showed up.
Despite many complaints with Dressrosa and a mixed reaction to if the Strawhats truly got to shine or not. (I still feel only Luffy, Franky and Usopp did)… I absolutely loved this chapter! It confused me at first but that Kaido reveal was hype and more than made up for the confusingness of the rest of the chapter!
Doffy had no responce to gear 4. We should'nt jump the gun on the effectiveness of gear 4.
After reading again its not that much of a puzzle whats goin on with sanji and the others. Its not zou for sure. Only one thing ? Is how did they throw themselves into trouble after finally leaving escaping bigmam ship. There clothes are all changed, and its the next day. So very interesting. This people might not actually be kaido's mooks, but an ally or someone who wants those rogue samurai for the same reason. They apart from the woman sanji sexually assaulted with one look all had the horns which is seen on their jolly roger. Interestingly, they are reporting to someone, which means as much power as the guy has commented by brook, someone stronger should be there. And Mr sheep was about to say what or whose island this was when interupted by water volcano. anyhow whatever happened, sanji,cesear and Chopper was supposed to be on the ship, brook, momonosuke and nami went to do something or retrieve someone. They caused the hiding weird face girl and others to escape. Those escapees was going to or was being used by sheep head to force the samurai to show himself or something along those lines. Sanji and chopper finally after being very pursuasive to cesear went on island saved or assisted the rest of the team. And last we see of them they say they are happy if the strange girl got away safely and more importantly chopper calls them to something very important and urgent. which he found.
Hahahah captain kid got a tattto on arm, deltoid area i believe.
right, my point is Kaido is weaker than either shanks, WB, or both. One of them had an encounter with him and came back unharmed when he was looking for a fight to either kill boredom or himself. I don't think he just walked away after shanks showed up.
I don't think either Shanks or Whitebeard got in a fight to the death for the most part, but they all battled I'd assume.
I'd still say all Yonkou are roughly equal. The hype is real with Kaido though.
I don't think either Shanks or Whitebeard got in a fight to the death for the most part, but they all battled I'd assume.
I'd still say all Yonkou are roughly equal. The hype is real with Kaido though.
I'd say by crews/fleets, they're about equal. One on One though, some edge out the others. That's how I see it anyways.
right, my point is Kaido is weaker than either shanks, WB, or both. One of them had an encounter with him and came back unharmed when he was looking for a fight to either kill boredom or himself. I don't think he just walked away after shanks showed up.
Except Shanks had his whole crew with him. This chapter put extreme emphasis on Kaido's 1vs1 power. Alone, not with his crew, was he captured, defeated, and tortured multiple times. I think given his suicide fetish he was heading to the war alone hoping WB would finally give him the death he wanted.
So when he was intercepted by Shanks it was Kaido VS The entire Red Haired Pirate Crew not Kaido VS Shanks.
The fact that he wasn't killed is only a testament to how much stronger than Shanks Kaido is especially if you were to place them in a 1v1 situation.
Did You not read One Piece the last 2-3 years? Lol
Lol my bad, got confused with big man and kaido after seeing Kaidos super intro.
Lol my bad, got confused with big man and kaido after seeing Kaidos super intro.
Who is big man ?
Except Shanks had his whole crew with him. This chapter put extreme emphasis on Kaido's 1vs1 power. Alone, not with his crew, was he captured, defeated, and tortured multiple times. I think given his suicide fetish he was heading to the war alone hoping WB would finally give him the death he wanted.
So when he was intercepted by Shanks it was Kaido VS The entire Red Haired Pirate Crew not Kaido VS Shanks.
The fact that he wasn't killed is only a testament to how much stronger than Shanks Kaido is especially if you were to place them in a 1v1 situation.
All of Whitebeards commanders did squat to Akainu, what would Shanks crew do to Kaido?
It was Shanks and Kaido.
What's up with Oda and not showing eyes lately? he still didn't show Kaido's.
When I first saw Kid's hideout exploding I thought Shanks heard about them and was bored, so he took the fight to them.. I thought he and his crew would destroy them.
Then I saw that it was a guy that tried to commit suicide and freaking survived! and it's a hobby of his.. I instantly thought he's be a good nakama material! them Bam! he's Freaking Kaido of the hundred beasts!! Ods is a genius!
#Kaido4nakama!
Except Shanks had his whole crew with him. This chapter put extreme emphasis on Kaido's 1vs1 power. Alone, not with his crew, was he captured, defeated, and tortured multiple times. I think given his suicide fetish he was heading to the war alone hoping WB would finally give him the death he wanted.
So when he was intercepted by Shanks it was Kaido VS The entire Red Haired Pirate Crew not Kaido VS Shanks.
The fact that he wasn't killed is only a testament to how much stronger than Shanks Kaido is especially if you were to place them in a 1v1 situation.
Good point, Only the fact that he wasn't killed doesn't say much bc he literally can't die( as far as we know)
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All of Whitebeards commanders did squat to Akainu, what would Shanks crew do to Kaido?
It was Shanks and Kaido.
I think WB's crew was more who WB accepted as his sons and less about strength though. IMO shanks has a stronger crew(as in not counting captains)
Good point, Only the fact that he wasn't killed doesn't say much bc he literally can't die( as far as we know)
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I think WB's crew was more who WB accepted as his sons and less about strength though. IMO shanks has a stronger crew(as in not counting captains)
Possibly.
It's pretty cool though, Roger died, then Whitebeard took the title, then Whitebeard died and now Kaido has the title.
What the hell is up with Shanks. Or is he just quiet
This Kaido looks like Buffalo Demon from Sun Wu Kong film, if luffy is the Wu Kong so Kaido will be his alliance.. Cmiiw
right, my point is Kaido is weaker than either shanks, WB, or both. One of them had an encounter with him and came back unharmed when he was looking for a fight to either kill boredom or himself. I don't think he just walked away after shanks showed up.
That's assuming Shanks simply didn't outsmart him. Let's not forget that a lot of the insanely powerful guys have some serious weakness. Like Luffy being an idiot. Zoro has no sense of direction, Sanji and women….. I can imagine Shanks using his brain to trick the obviously unstable Kaido into somehow taking himself out
All of Whitebeards commanders did squat to Akainu, what would Shanks crew do to Kaido?
It was Shanks and Kaido.
Yeah but that was mostly because they are scattered brained idiots. Marco didn't pay attention and got himself handcuffed, Jozu got first both hijacked by Dofla and then later on frozen. If they had paid attention and fought the right people I think they could have at least stood as equal to the Admirals
Well the shit taking place with Urouge is on the following day. And wait what? The silhouette is obviously Kaido… It looks exactly like the hole in the ground... Did you read the manga? Are people still reading before posting? I'm pretty sure the guy walked in and told Kaido, he said the smile gravy train is over or something to that effect. That isnt something you say when you go to Kaido's castle and know he isn't there. I mean how do you people come up with this shit
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He was already told.
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I believe what Oda writes over what he writes through Buggy's eyes.
Do you have reading problems? You must be a dumbass thinking you know shit when clearly this chapter it heavily implies Kaido has yet to be informed of Doffy's defeat. 793 had his minions call out to him but he was nowhere to be found that silhouette wasn't him either. I'm guessing the only time you'll accept this is when Kaido has a reaction of Doffy's defeat in next few chapters proving he doesn't know. So I'm happy to wait until then and I believe you owe an apology for being a prick who has comprehension issues. As if you know more than Aohige_AP, don't kid yourself.
Man. We've been with Kinemon, Law, Momonosuke, and Caesar for about 4 years now, and more to come possibly with Zou and Wano. Vivi was around for about 4 years. At the rate we're going, unless Wano is up next, those four characters are going to surpass Vivi and Carue. Even then, the Wano arc (if it's gonna be the Kaidou arc as well) will probably as massive, if not, bigger than Dressrosa.
Gah. I really want a breather for now. Can we bring Foxy Back .-.
I wonder if the KHA alliance gets off screened.