someone mentioned how smart Luffy must be to figure that out, but I wonder if he even really knew what he was doing. My guess is it's just something he experimented with and… well it just happened that way ^_^; It seems unlikely that Luffy went, "okay Ill pump air into my legs which'll stimulate my muscles and then..."
2nd Gear, A Long Range attack?? (possible Spoilers, not really tho)
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@yokaiforte:
Your bio is nice but…
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Please explain to me how Luffy would use his rubber body like a lung and 'breathe' through his pores. I'm having trouble imagining the mechanics behind this. And wouldn't doing this be more poisonous to his body than beneficial?
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Nitrogen and carbon dioxide is colorless and odorless under room temperature. How exactly does it condense to the point where it's visible as steam under room temperature or hotter conditions? I believe that your second hypothesis is more likely, that the pressure within his blood vessels is squeezing water out of his body from Luffy's extracellular fluid. That coupled with the heat released from the increased aerobic activity, generated from all that ATP usage, causes the steam to vaporize upon contact with the air.
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How exactly would an increase in oxygen availability alone increase muscle strength? All that extra oxygen is useless without the necessary amount of skeletal muscle mitochondria to utilize it, which is normally increased through exercise and training. It would increase aerobic fitness but certainly not muscle strength to the point Gear 2 does.
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@spimtel:
Your bio is nice but…
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Please explain to me how Luffy would use his rubber body like a lung and 'breathe' through his pores. I'm having trouble imagining the mechanics behind this. And wouldn't doing this be more poisonous to his body than beneficial?
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Nitrogen and carbon dioxide is colorless and odorless under room temperature. How exactly does it condense to the point where it's visible as steam under room temperature or hotter conditions? I believe that your second hypothesis is more likely, that the pressure within his blood vessels is squeezing water out of his body from Luffy's extracellular fluid. That coupled with the heat released from the increased aerobic activity, generated from all that ATP usage, causes the steam to vaporize upon contact with the air.
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How exactly would an increase in oxygen availability alone increase muscle strength? All that extra oxygen is useless without the necessary amount of skeletal muscle mitochondria to utilize it, which is normally increased through exercise and training. It would increase aerobic fitness but certainly not muscle strength to the point Gear 2 does.
I can't speak for Pipboy, but…
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I suppose it's sweating it out of his pores, like sweat.
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He said that it's probable that it's a combination of heated water. and that.
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Like Lucci said, Luffy's body must compensate for the extra energy (it's a stimulant), so therefore, the attacks have to be faster.
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@yokaiforte:
I can't speak for Pipboy, but…
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I suppose it's sweating it out of his pores, like sweat.
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He said that it's probable that it's a combination of heated water. and that.
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Like Lucci said, Luffy's body must compensate for the extra energy (it's a stimulant), so therefore, the attacks have to be faster.
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A pore needs to establish a pressure gradient to act like a lung. Assuming rubberality is the only anatomical change, while everything else remains the same, explain to me the mechanics behind that.
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I realized last night that I missed the part about the nitrogen and carbon dioxide being moist, and thusly, are in the presence of water. I admit my mistake.
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I'm sorry, but this makes no biological sense to me.
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What I think we're seeing, in regards to Gear 2, is not an increase in Luffy's strength because of increased oxygenation of his skeletal muscles, which is a questionable theory, but an increase in his rubber's spring constant as a physiological response to the increase in fluid pressure throughout his body. That is, Luffy's body is adapting to the increased blood flow by making his rubber tenser and harder to stretch. His body would fatten up otherwise. Since Luffy's rubber is tenser, his punches as they're released spring forth with greater speed, and thusly, greater momentum and power.
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That's a really good explaination spimtel, he's using his rubber body to the best of his ability. But I still think he kinda found it out by accident and doesn't totally understand what he's doing.
So like anyone know why Luffy has to put his thumb in his mouth for gear 3rd? ;)
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That's a really good explaination spimtel, he's using his rubber body to the best of his ability. But I still think he kinda found it out by accident and doesn't totally understand what he's doing.
So like anyone know why Luffy has to put his thumb in his mouth for gear 3rd? ;)
My theory on that is Luffy's Gear 2 rubber body exerts enormous inward pressure on his rubber skeleton, like winding a rubber band around one's finger. Under this pressure, his rubber skeleton just barely resists and maintains its size. Any small increase in Luffy's rubber tension would cause his ribber skeleton along with the rest of his body to shrink. Like a catalyst, this is exactly the reason for Luffy's thumb biting. By squeezing the blood vessels in this thumb he causes the fluid pressure throughout his body to increase just enough to raise his rubber tension to a point where Luffy's rubber skeleton can no longer resist the inward elastic pressure. Therefore, Luffy's body shrinks, causing his fluid pressure to increase, causing an increase in his rubber tension, causing him to shrink even more. This cycle continues until we have the super-compressed Gear 3 mini-Luffy. Finally, by reversing this cycle, Luffy returns to his normal size. That is, we have a cycle where as his blood flow decreases, his fluid pressure decreases, causing his rubber tension to ease, which relieves pressure from Luffy's rubber skeleton allowing it to grow, further decreasing fluid pressure.
Note: With Gear 3 you have to be a bit liberal with the science, since water, an effectively incompressible fluid, makes up about 50-70% of an adult male body, yet Luffy shrinks to less than 50% his original size.
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Wow Spimtel! That works just as well. I think it compliments what Pipboy wrote.
As for the thing about Nitrogen and Carbon Dioxide, Pipboy was saying that it was a possibility.
And, I have to admit, he never said anything about how it powers him up. Your explanation works very well and explains how his punch could have an instantaneous snapback.
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You guys just believe everything that the "rubberality" guy says, huh?
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I'm sorry, but what are you saying?
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I really don't know how I didn't notice this before, but is it?????
I always thought from the way that it was drawn that Luffy made contact with Blueno (and now Lucci) and the frame that is drawn is right AFTER Blueno (& Lucci) gets hit. Yet from chapter 418 it looks more like the "JET" attacks are almost like air cannon attacks with explosives (like Franky's coup de vent but stronger and more concentrated).
I looked at the new opening them to the anime and it seemed to have confirmed what I thought! What do you think?? Am I right? Wrong?
If I'm the only idiot that hadn't realized it, then this thread should be deleted.
Luffy just punches so fast you can't see it.
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Sorry that's not a retarded enough explanation
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@spimtel:
My theory on that is Luffy's Gear 2 rubber body exerts enormous inward pressure on his rubber skeleton, like winding a rubber band around one's finger. Under this pressure, his rubber skeleton just barely resists and maintains its size. Any small increase in Luffy's rubber tension would cause his ribber skeleton along with the rest of his body to shrink. Like a catalyst, this is exactly the reason for Luffy's thumb biting. By squeezing the blood vessels in this thumb he causes the fluid pressure throughout his body to increase just enough to raise his rubber tension to a point where Luffy's rubber skeleton can no longer resist the inward elastic pressure. Therefore, Luffy's body shrinks, causing his fluid pressure to increase, causing an increase in his rubber tension, causing him to shrink even more. This cycle continues until we have the super-compressed Gear 3 mini-Luffy. Finally, by reversing this cycle, Luffy returns to his normal size. That is, we have a cycle where as his blood flow decreases, his fluid pressure decreases, causing his rubber tension to ease, which relieves pressure from Luffy's rubber skeleton allowing it to grow, further decreasing fluid pressure.
Note: With Gear 3 you have to be a bit liberal with the science, since water, an effectively incompressible fluid, makes up about 50-70% of an adult male body, yet Luffy shrinks to less than 50% his original size.
First of all, when winding a rubber band around your finger, you are applying pressure on your finger not the rubber band. The rubber band experiences tension and stress from stretching.
Secondly, rubber shrinking implies that it becomes denser. I know high pressure causes things to be denser, but Luffy's body is also experiencing high heat. The combination of heat and pressure doesn't cause his musculoskeletal structure to implode, but to liquify. However, he does shrink, so his body temperature must have become constant at some point, causing him to shrink instead of melting. However, biting his thumb is not the trigger. If increased pressure from stretching or pressing triggers shrinking, then Jet Pistol would cause his whole body to shrink.
By the way, because Gear 2 gives Luffy increased blood pressure to the point that it is steel-shattering, it surpasses Tekkai, which is probably also a way a Rokushiki user controls body fluid pressure to counteract external pressures.
The CP9 are able to sustain such high blood pressure because they have incredibly strong heart muscles, and are able to control their heart rate. Kumadori claims to have lived hundreds of years because his heart beats so slowly, and is able to use life return to manipulate his body shape and movement, including the turgor in his hair. Unlike Gear 2, Rokushiki doesn't cause health deteriation because the users' bodies been trained to withstand the pressure, and their heart muscles have been trained to produce such pressures. By controlling their fluid dynamics, the CP9 can use Rokushiki. It's actually kind of like Yoga, but it's extremely aggressive.
Luffy, however, instead of increasing his heart's pressure capacity, he forces his heart to beat faster to increase his blood pressure. That is extremely harmful to health as it destroys the heart and blood vessels, but his rubber body prevents him from gettin a heart attack or vessel rupture. He is able to thus use Rokushiki. BTW, increased heart rate increases nerve frequency so he also becomes more alert and reacts faster.
Tekkai seems to be a sudden increase in pressure all over the body. Jabura seems to be a Tekkai master who can stretch his bone, muscle, and sinew tissues to accomodate in the shifts in body shape but not in pressure.
Shigan is extreme pressure in the digits, and results in extreme hardness and strength.
Rankyaku is a pressure wave in air (or possibly water) caused by the extreme force in the user's kicks.
Geppou is a jump with a similar pressure in Rankyaku but it uses the spring resistance, from jumping motion, applied to air resistance–a substitute normal force, so that the momentum translates to the body's movement.
Soru is a very rapid acceleration from repeated steps on the ground in an instant.
Kamiee is like reverse Tekkai, the pressure in the body lowers to the point the body become very soft and flexible, but the blood flow is still fast so fluctuations are fast.
This is all just a theory but I think it aptly explains Gear 2's power as well as Rokushiki.
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First of all, when winding a rubber band around your finger, you are applying pressure on your finger not the rubber band. The rubber band experiences tension and stress from stretching.
Well yes, as you're winding you are applying pressure, but you're transmitting that pressure to the rubber band storing it as potential energy, and thusly, creating a tenser rubber band. The pressure you're feeling on your finger is the tension from the rubber band, which is felt even long after you finish winding the rubber band, and tie it to your finger.
Secondly, rubber shrinking implies that it becomes denser. I know high pressure causes things to be denser, but Luffy's body is also experiencing high heat. The combination of heat and pressure doesn't cause his musculoskeletal structure to implode, but to liquify.
First of all, remember, Luffy's body is rubber. His skeleton is also likely rubber. And if his rubber body can survive the high heat produced from Enel's 100 MVolt lighting strike, then I have no doubt it could survive the high heat and high pressure of Gear 2/3.
However, he does shrink, so his body temperature must have become constant at some point, causing him to shrink instead of melting.
Ummm, how exactly would that work? Luffy's body is a highly complex system of fluid dynamics and mechanical stresses. It's not as simple as just applying the ideal gas equation or thermodynamic first/second law equations.
However, biting his thumb is not the trigger. If increased pressure from stretching or pressing triggers shrinking, then Jet Pistol would cause his whole body to shrink.
The trigger comes from closing off the arteries in his thumb. This increases blood flow throughout the system, and thusly increases fluid pressure, which is the trigger that the body responds to when increasing rubber tension, throughout the system, i.e., the pressure is not localized; flow * resistance = pressure. When you close off a path for flow, you increase the flow rate through the other paths, like cutting a parallel line in a parallel electronic circuit.
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@spimtel:
Well yes, as you're winding you are applying pressure, but you're transmitting that pressure to the rubber band storing it as potential energy, and thusly, creating a tenser rubber band. The pressure you're feeling on your finger is the tension from the rubber band, which is felt even long after you finish winding the rubber band, and tie to your finger.
First of all, remember, Luffy's body is rubber. His skeleton is also likely rubber. And if his rubber body can survive the high heat produced from Enel's 100 MVolt lighting strike, then I have no doubt it could survive the high heat and high pressure of Gear 2/3.
Ummm, how exactly would that work? Luffy's body is a highly complex system of fluid dynamics and mechanical stresses. It's not as simple as just applying the the ideal gas equation or thermodynamic first/second law equations.
The trigger comes from closing off the arteries in his thumb. This increases blood flow throughout the system, and thusly increases pressure throughout the system, i.e., the pressure is not localized; flow * resistance = pressure. When you close off a path for flow, you increase the flow rate through the other paths, like eliminating a parallel line from a parallel electronic circuit.
I suspected there were some flaws in my arguement. I didn't consider the finger's resistance to stress. I also oversimplified the concept of Luffy's body-pressure homeostasis, which I think is moronic now. Actually, I think I understand how Luffy's body is truly compressed from Gear 3. Thanks for helping me clear up some misconceptions.
However, that lets me see a very odd image of a chubby, skinny-limbed, fat-headed, baby-sized fellow hitting a steel wall so hard that the whole think liquifies, breaks, and then explodes from elastic stress. Paradoxical, and changing our views of what is strong and what is weak.