What will happen to the Mera Mera no Mi?

Khainiwest

@Стрелок:

1. Relax, sunshine. I posted examples why you can sometimes know what will happen based on the manga. Or you believe that everyone who "guessed" something right used black magic?

I apologize, I guess obnoxiously laughing at your rebuttles is inconsiderate to the people around me.

@Стрелок:

2. You should work on your reading comprehension. I specifically said that I don't always know what will happen, only sometimes.

No, you need to work on your vocabulary. You're trying to argue semantics now, which really is equilavent to arguing grammar. Worthless. If there is a predictibility that you can justify based on the "story telling strategy" you suggest, than I can apply that to any extreme, much like you're trying to do.

@Стрелок:

3. "Possibility" as we understand it, doesn't really exist in manga. Like I said, you don't understand story-telling. Oda is a good writer and won't shit on his story in this way.

-facepalm- The word in context you're trying to use is probability. What is the probablity that Pell survived the nuke before it was revealed he did, what was the probability that Monet survived a stab in the heart? What is the probability, that luffy will end up having to fight an opponent who ate his brothers fruit to show his power increase? YOUR GUESS IS AS GREAT AS MINE. There is always predictibility in the behavior in an author, but nothing is gurranteed. You're trying to justify your misuse of the words and continue to look stupid.

@Стрелок:

4. When you call your friends what do you say:
a)I will come tomorrow at five.
b)Unless I get abducted by aliens, or I change my mind or a giant asteroid hits the Earth, I will MAYBE come tomorrow at five.

Is this how your thought process works? The example isn't at all relevant to our discussion, you'll make the assumption you'll arrive at the time. There is no assumption to make because there is no realistic future that we can confidently guess/define.
@Стрелок:

5.Also check the chapter thread where so many people said that the blind guy was Fujitora. Or they are also wrong, because it wasn't CONFIRMED?

It's assumed he is because that's the rational assumption.

@Стрелок:

6.In conclusion: you are wrong and I am right. Next time try harder. Not that you can prove something.

How can you prove you're right by asking questions with no answer by you? You're just spouting nonsense. Why did your number your response out, was it a pathetic attempt to try to show control over the conversation and not confront the fact that you have the vocabulary comprehension of a 16 year old?

Maybe instead of trying to spout what the definition of 'fact' is you can try breaking up my paragraph to clarify the context of what questions were directed too. Or is this your cowardly method to save face?

1PceXperience

Faske Sterlok vs Khainwest

una lucha orgullosa~

ArmamentHero

I will just say this and be done with it: Whether "this" or "that" happens is solely up to Oda(obviously) to decide(probably already did). The fruit being reintroduced into the story obviously mean something will happen to it. Do I agree with any of the Strawhats eating? No, I do not, however I am still willing to read other's theories if they can make it understandable. For Strelok, yes I get your points and examples. One should be able to express his/her own ideas without the "I am right, you are wrong" argument in a thread meant just for that. You can only say your right when/if it happens. I apologize for calling you rude.

Panda Bear

@Стрелок:

I guess you have the right to disagree with the future facts. But this is just basic story-telling. If you someone post "Captaion Kuro will kill Luffy and become the captain of the Strawhats", what will be your honest opinion on his theory?

The same people who were getting annoyed with posts like "Luffy could eat it" and called them dumb, now post "Sanji will eat it" and get insulted when someonce called them dumb.

Or when everyone who said that the blind guy isn't Fujitora was mocked in the chapter thread (I am not saying he isn't). Isn't this a bit of a double standard?

I guess I didn't stress it enough in my last post, but I agree with you here, pretty much entirely. There's no need to try to convince me.

I mentioned I disagree with how you say things; I find it tends to come across as, for lack of a better word, 'antagonizing'. As an offhand example, I personally would try to refrain from calling a poster 'dumb', since all that would really serve to do is put them on edge.

But you're hardly the only poster to do things like that, and I neither need nor expect you to change; I was simply voicing my opinion, and since in the end that's pretty entirely off topic for this thread, I'll leave it at that.

Khainiwest

@1PceXperience:

Faske Sterlok vs Khainwest

una lucha orgullosa~

Sorry but the whole "Fuck you and your opinion because I deem it inferior to mine" annoys the fuck out of me, especially during a frekin speculation thread e_e

Foxy The Silver Fox

I haven't been following this thread, but I thought by now everyone agreed that none of the SH's will eat the Mera-Mera no Mi.

ArmamentHero

@Foxy:

I haven't been following this thread, but I thought by now everyone agreed that none of the SH's will eat the Mera-Mera no Mi.

In all honesty, it looks like there is a few but this thread exploded a bit..haha

Jackermeister

@Khainiwest:

Sorry but the whole "Fuck you and your opinion because I deem it inferior to mine" annoys the fuck out of me, especially during a frekin speculation thread e_e

Indeed. Strelok and his "facts" (and arguably people responding to him) are preventing actual discussion. People in the thread have brought up arguments for and against Sanji eating it, but all of those get buried under this crap.

ForumNoob

@Стрелок:

I guess you have the right to disagree with the future facts. But this is just basic story-telling. If you someone post "Captaion Kuro will kill Luffy and become the captain of the Strawhats", what will be your honest opinion on his theory?

The same people who were getting annoyed with posts like "Luffy could eat it" and called them dumb, now post "Sanji will eat it" and get insulted when someonce called them dumb.

Or when everyone who said that the blind guy isn't Fujitora was mocked in the chapter thread (I am not saying he isn't). Isn't this a bit of a double standard?

what panda is trying to say is that If someone post "Captain Kuro will kill Luffy and become the captain of the Strawhats" everybody(i hope) is going to say that wont happen. the thing is, that wouldnt make it a fact, just something 99.9% probability not to happen. for it to be a fact it wont happen, it would had to be stated that kuro is dead(cant kill luffy), luffy is dead(kuro cant kill him) or that the straw hats disbanded. if one of those happens then it becomes a fact. in the abscense of that its just something 99.9% probable

how in the world could you predict that law would be in punk hazard??

Khainiwest

@ForumNoob:

what panda is trying to say is that If someone post "Captain Kuro will kill Luffy and become the captain of the Strawhats" everybody(i hope) is going to say that wont happen. the thing is, that wouldnt make it a fact, just something 99.9% probability not to happen. for it to be a fact it wont happen, it would had to be stated that kuro is dead(cant kill luffy), luffy is dead(kuro cant kill him) or that the straw hats disbanded. if one of those happens then it becomes a fact. in the abscense of that its just something 99.9% probable

how in the world could you predict that law would be in punk hazard??

THANK YOU

And it's because the samerai was either buggy or a victim of law. Considering that buggy didn't wear clothes like that and hasn't been shown to be able to fuse his body parts with others, everyone assumed law did it. The dragon also mentioned a warlord.

ArmamentHero

@ForumNoob:

what panda is trying to say is that If someone post "Captain Kuro will kill Luffy and become the captain of the Strawhats" everybody(i hope) is going to say that wont happen. the thing is, that wouldnt make it a fact, just something 99.9% probability not to happen. for it to be a fact it wont happen, it would had to be stated that kuro is dead(cant kill luffy), luffy is dead(kuro cant kill him) or that the straw hats disbanded. if one of those happens then it becomes a fact. in the abscense of that its just something 99.9% probable

how in the world could you predict that law would be in punk hazard??

That was when the lower half of Kinemon was discovered and everyone thought it was the most logical but not certain until he was revealed.

ForumNoob

@Jackermeister:

Indeed. Strelok and his "facts" (and arguably people responding to him) are preventing actual discussion. People in the thread have brought up arguments for and against Sanji eating it, but all of those get buried under this crap.

yeah, i thought thsi was to see different opinions and view points on things, so you can have people state waht could be wrong with an idea or help it along. the bottom line is what is written here wont make anything of a difference on what is going to really happen . nothing said will make something a fact. but it helps to see how most people think on a subject and maybe point out stuff you might have missed or interpreted another way

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@Khainiwest:

THANK YOU

And it's because the samerai was either buggy or a victim of law. Considering that buggy didn't wear clothes like that and hasn't been shown to be able to fuse his body parts with others, everyone assumed law did it. The dragon also mentioned a warlord.

hahahah ok now i see it. i never saw it coming

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@ArmamentHero:

That was when the lower half of Kinemon was discovered and everyone thought it was the most logical but not certain until he was revealed.

yeah , if i would have been in this forums and heard that explanation would have thought so too.

strelok probably said it was a fact:ninja:

Panda Bear

@ForumNoob:

what panda is trying to say is that If someone post "Captain Kuro will kill Luffy and become the captain of the Strawhats" everybody(i hope) is going to say that wont happen. the thing is, that wouldnt make it a fact, just something 99.9% probability not to happen. for it to be a fact it wont happen, it would had to be stated that kuro is dead(cant kill luffy), luffy is dead(kuro cant kill him) or that the straw hats disbanded. if one of those happens then it becomes a fact. in the abscense of that its just something 99.9% probable

That was half my point, yes. My other half, however, was that everyone saying "No, it's not a fact, quit using that word, it does not mean what you think it means!" aren't adding anything at all of worth themselves.

Look, if it's not clear enough already, I understand being put off by the way our Comrade posts, I really do. But letting that get to you doesn't really help anything, either. And when you strip all the nonsense away, what you're left with is this: Strelok is choosing a stance – namely, Sanji will not eat the fruit -- and has made posts to defend that stance, and attack opposing stances.

Honestly, I can respect that more than some of the other things that have been going on in this thread. This is a thread for speculating and theorizing, yes, and everyone is entitled to their opinion, sure; but that doesn't mean others aren't free to attack your opinion.

To the generic poster reading this, I would pose the following question: do you think Sanji will eat the fruit? Not, mind, do you think it's a possibility, or do you think Strelok should stop calling it a fact when it so clearly isn't, because etc etc etc. Simply, yes or no, do you think it is something that will happen?

If no, then you agree with Strelok, and really shouldn't be arguing with him. If yes, then feel free to post as much, but also post why you think so, and be prepared to defend yourself.

The point I'm getting at here, however, is that you should take a stance; that's ultimately what the thread is for. Argue for or against, or if you have no opinion, then refrain from commenting. Bamboo shoot, if you want, argue points for both sides, that would be contribution too! In short, provide reasons why you believe Strelok is wrong, if you do; don't post just to say "You don't actually know that, it's not a fact, so quit saying it is."

Wrath of Enel

@Khainiwest:

Sorry but the whole "Fuck you and your opinion because I deem it inferior to mine" annoys the fuck out of me, especially during a frekin speculation thread e_e

On your side with this one. Strelok was being a bit ignorant. This thread is going to end up like the new nakama one…

MiyamotoMusashi

@Khainiwest:

Sorry but the whole "Fuck you and your opinion because I deem it inferior to mine" annoys the fuck out of me, especially during a frekin speculation thread e_e

Just don´t react to it, it is the best thing you can do as long as the mods ignore it. Or you can report it of course but i doubt you want to do that.

Khainiwest

@Panda:

The point I'm getting at here, however, is that you should take a stance; that's ultimately what the thread is for. Argue for or against, or if you have no opinion, then refrain from commenting. Bamboo shoot, if you want, argue points for both sides, that would be contribution too! In short, provide reasons why you believe Strelok is wrong, if you do; don't post just to say "You don't actually know that, it's not a fact, so quit saying it is."

Your contribution is just as worthless and prolongs the issue by your own standards. The point is, his argument against people were "THIS IS FACT IT IS FUTILE TO TRY TO CHALLENGE IT." Which kills half the fun of speculating to begin with. By correcting him I'm providing a flow of opinion, rather than a dam that blocks such conversations based on arrogance.

So by arguing that it is not fact, is me arguing the possibility exists does in fact contribute to the discussion, whether you like it or not.

Jackermeister

@Panda:

Strelok is choosing a stance – namely, Sanji will not eat the fruit -- and has made posts to defend that stance, and attack opposing stances.

Most of his posts are simply "Sanji won't eat it. It's a fact.". When he does actually post reasons, they are argued against. But then he simply repeats his statement "It's a fact", intead of actually responding to the points made.
@Panda:

The point I'm getting at here, however, is that you should take a stance; that's ultimately what the thread is for. Argue for or against, or if you have no opinion, then refrain from commenting. Bamboo shoot, if you want, argue points for both sides, that would be contribution too!

I don't see why you can't discuss things and argue, even if you don't necessarily believe 100% that Sanji will eat the fruit.
@Khainiwest:

Your contribution is just as worthless and prolongs the issue by your own standards. The point is, his argument against people were "THIS IS FACT IT IS FUTILE TO TRY TO CHALLENGE IT." Which kills half the fun of speculating to begin with. By correcting him I'm providing a flow of opinion, rather than a dam that blocks such conversations based on arrogance.

So by arguing that it is not fact, is me arguing the possibility exists does in fact contribute to the discussion, whether you like it or not.

This.

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@Khainiwest:

I apologize, I guess obnoxiously laughing at your rebuttles is inconsiderate to the people around me.

No, you need to work on your vocabulary. You're trying to argue semantics now, which really is equilavent to arguing grammar. Worthless. If there is a predictibility that you can justify based on the "story telling strategy" you suggest, than I can apply that to any extreme, much like you're trying to do.

-facepalm- The word in context you're trying to use is probability. What is the probablity that Pell survived the nuke before it was revealed he did, what was the probability that Monet survived a stab in the heart? What is the probability, that luffy will end up having to fight an opponent who ate his brothers fruit to show his power increase? YOUR GUESS IS AS GREAT AS MINE. There is always predictibility in the behavior in an author, but nothing is gurranteed. You're trying to justify your misuse of the words and continue to look stupid.

Is this how your thought process works? The example isn't at all relevant to our discussion, you'll make the assumption you'll arrive at the time. There is no assumption to make because there is no realistic future that we can confidently guess/define.

It's assumed he is because that's the rational assumption.

How can you prove you're right by asking questions with no answer by you? You're just spouting nonsense. Why did your number your response out, was it a pathetic attempt to try to show control over the conversation and not confront the fact that you have the vocabulary comprehension of a 16 year old?

Maybe instead of trying to spout what the definition of 'fact' is you can try breaking up my paragraph to clarify the context of what questions were directed too. Or is this your cowardly method to save face?

You are trying to avoid the fact that you made a mistake. I never said I or anyone else could predict everything that happens in the manga. I never said that such a strategy covered 100% of the cases.

I don't look stupid, you do, tough guy. It's funny because you argue now but after it is confirmed everyone will claim they guessed right from the start, like what happened with Buggy and Law.

It is actually revelant, it's just that you can't understand it. The way normal people communicate seems to indicate that the future is 100% certain.

You can use any word you want, but the fact is that the majority of posters know this is Fujitora and noone else.

Insulting when you have nothing to say, classy.

Was it ever confirmed that Luffy isn't dreaming the entire story? Fact is something that is known one way or another. But there will always be people who talk bullshit. Even though it is confirmed that the Earth isn't flat there are people who believe that - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth_Society . And you are just as smart as they are.

@ArmamentHero:

I will just say this and be done with it: Whether "this" or "that" happens is solely up to Oda(obviously) to decide(probably already did). The fruit being reintroduced into the story obviously mean something will happen to it. Do I agree with any of the Strawhats eating? No, I do not, however I am still willing to read other's theories if they can make it understandable. For Strelok, yes I get your points and examples. One should be able to express his/her own ideas without the "I am right, you are wrong" argument in a thread meant just for that. You can only say your right when/if it happens. I apologize for calling you rude.

I have no problem reading people's theories. But you will notice that the Sanji "theory" is posted pretty much 10 times a day and it is getting annoying.

@Khainiwest:

Sorry but the whole "Fuck you and your opinion because I deem it inferior to mine" annoys the fuck out of me, especially during a frekin speculation thread e_e

I didn't expect something smart from you, and you didn't surprise me. It's not a matter of opinion or not.

@Jackermeister:

Indeed. Strelok and his "facts" (and arguably people responding to him) are preventing actual discussion. People in the thread have brought up arguments for and against Sanji eating it, but all of those get buried under this crap.

You said you weren't going to post again, but it seems like you aren't someone who keeps his word. Pathetic.

@ForumNoob:

how in the world could you predict that law would be in punk hazard??

By reading the manga, my friend.

@Wrath:

On your side with this one. Strelok was being a bit ignorant. This thread is going to end up like the new nakama one…

I am ignorant because I argue with facts? Sorry, god enel, for wasting your precious time.

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@Jackermeister:

Most of his posts are simply "Sanji won't eat it. It's a fact.". When he does actually post reasons, they are argued against. But then he simply repeats his statement "It's a fact", intead of actually responding to the points made.

I don't see why you can't discuss things and argue, even if you don't necessarily believe 100% that Sanji will eat the fruit.

This.

1.Learn to read, it's helpful.
2.You can. You can also drink water from the toilet, go ahead!
3.Arguing with facts, doesn't make you cool, buddy. And you said you weren't going to post.

1PceXperience

Hahaha Fake Strelok! It's never a dull moment when you're here.

usted sigue siendo un culo~

Wrath of Enel

@Стрелок:

I am ignorant because I argue with facts? Sorry, god enel, for wasting your precious time.

Your just being a cock munch now….enough arguing, more discussing!

Khainiwest

@Стрелок:

You are trying to avoid the fact that you made a mistake. I never said I or anyone else could predict everything that happens in the manga. I never said that such a strategy covered 100% of the cases.

I did not make a mistake, I'm actually indirectly proving a point. If there are exemptions to your "method" than it is not full proof therefore not fact. See that, that's called logic!

@Стрелок:

I don't look stupid, you do, tough guy. It's funny because you argue now but after it is confirmed everyone will claim they guessed right from the start, like what happened with Buggy and Law.

So I guess you don't see how that comparison is worthless. Okay princess, Buggy and law had obvious hints, but nothing confirming it as fact. You can't do that because there is nothing to hint what will happen to the fruit, besides the fact it will be used as leverage against luffy. That's all that has been hinted. So you have a yes or no answer to a "uh duh".

Your assumption on sanji is impossible to verify. Sanji is not dead, the fruit has not been eaten by someone else, therefore is entirely plausible. That's it, that's our discussion, not that it will happen, what the likelyhood that it will happen, but that it can happen. Therefore it cannot be "Fact" that sanji will not eat the fruit.

@Стрелок:

It is actually revelant, it's just that you can't understand it. The way normal people communicate seems to indicate that the future is 100% certain.

Nothing is 100% certain, including sanji not eating the fruit. You're just arguing against yourself now.

@Стрелок:

You can use any word you want, but the fact is that the majority of posters know this is Fujitora and noone else.

And that's a rational assumption. (You don't know what rational means do you LOL). It's not fact as of yet, therefore cannot be deemed as fact.

@Стрелок:

Insulting when you have nothing to say, classy.

Hypocritical strawman tactic, not even worth my time.

@Стрелок:

Was it ever confirmed that Luffy isn't dreaming the entire story? Fact is something that is known one way or another. But there will always be people who talk bullshit. Even though it is confirmed that the Earth isn't flat there are people who believe that - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth_Society . And you are just as smart as they are.

With that possibility in mind it is not fact, only speculation. You have no argued a single point, in fact you jsut reinforced my points. Congratulations.

Edit: You can have the last word, I'm done lowering myself down to your level in order to communicate.

Jackermeister

Khaini, you should just ignore him. Obviously posting "It's not 100% fact" isn't going to get you anywhere. He'll clearly never post actual reasons to back up his statements. Let's speculate why Sanji might eat the fruit or something, instead of pointlessly arguing with Strelok. Okay?

Sanji might eat the fruit because he feels he's too weak. He couldn't match Vergo and if his next opponent kicks his ass, he might feel he's at his limit or something. Fire is already part of his fighting style, so a fire fruit would suit him well. I also imagine it's getting difficult to come up with interesting moves for him, when his fighting style is basically just kicking.

ForumNoob

Originally Posted by ForumNoob
how in the world could you predict that law would be in punk hazard??

By reading the manga, my friend(strelok).

this just sums up the way strelok argues his points. the only thing was missing was a " its a known fact" at the end of his statement. nothing to explain his "expression" just that you have to take his word as fact.

i said it the first day i joined that i thought he was a troll and people said not always, he has valid arguments and is funny sometimes. his arguments might be sometimes valid but he doesnt know how to express them or does it on purpose. never funny in my opinion

from now on everything he post im going to asume he is trying to troll and ignore him. do the same. dont feed the troll

Panda Bear

This will be my last post on the topic, because as Khaini points out quite correctly, I am contributing just as much to the derail as the posts I am complaining about.

First, as a quick response to Jacker, I have to admit I phrased myself poorly in my last post. It's fine to discuss and argue even if you don't necessarily have a firm belief one way or another; I do so myself nearly all the time. My point was more that people should argue for something, rather than simply saying 'No Strelok, you arrogant fuzz, you're wrong'.

Now, to Khaini, my parting thoughts on the matter. What exactly are you hoping to achieve with this debate with Strelok? You say it opens the flow of discussion, but wouldn't that be better achieved by debating reasons why Sanji will, in fact, eat the fruit, rather than post after post arguing over the semantics of the use of the word 'fact'?

I think it's pretty clear that Strelok is not going to change what he's doing based on anything you say, so who are you trying to convince? Third parties reading your post? I find it hard to believe that anyone reading the thread thought 'Oh, Strelok said it was a fact, so that's that I guess' until they were enlightened by your statement to the contrary.

Yes, I'm well aware that he quickly gets to the point of simply posting 'I'm right, you're wrong, that's a fact', and no, I don't believe that adds to discussion in any way at all. So ignore it. I feel everyone here should probably be mature enough to do so.

Again, it's not that I don't understand how you feel, or where you're coming from, but when it comes right down to it, I simply don't understand what it is you believe you are achieving by continuing this back and forth.

At any rate, so as not to be further hypocritical, and instead follow my own advice, that will be the last from me. I've made my stance on the issue as clear as I'm going to at this point, I think, and there's no need for me to further contribute to the derail. To those reading not involved in this, I apologize for my part in it.

ArmamentHero

He could generate flames for a concentrated mid to long range attack base. Being able to obtain a intangible flame body would make his attacks more explosive as well.

ForumNoob

@Jackermeister:

Khaini, you should just ignore him. Obviously posting "It's not 100% fact" isn't going to get you anywhere. He'll clearly never post actual reasons to back up his statements. Let's speculate why Sanji might eat the fruit or something, instead of pointlessly arguing with Strelok. Okay?

Sanji might eat the fruit because he feels he's too weak. He couldn't match Vergo and if his next opponent kicks his ass, he might feel he's at his limit or something. Fire is already part of his fighting style, so a fire fruit would suit him well. I also imagine it's getting difficult to come up with interesting moves for him, when his fighting style is basically just kicking.

add to it that he wouldnt need a lighter anymore to light his cigarettes

Wyrdley

(Just jumping to the end of this thread.)

Zoro said at some point that he would really like a fire sword, so I wouldn't be surprised if the Mera-Mera ends up being impaled on one of his katana at some point…

MiyamotoMusashi

@Wyrdley:

(Just jumping to the end of this thread.)

Zoro said at some point that he would really like a fire sword, so I wouldn't be surprised if the Mera-Mera ends up being impaled on one of his katana at some point…

That´s not how it works though, Vegapunk developed a certain technique for that

ForumNoob

@Wyrdley:

(Just jumping to the end of this thread.)

Zoro said at some point that he would really like a fire sword, so I wouldn't be surprised if the Mera-Mera ends up being impaled on one of his katana at some point…

i think only zoan types can be imbued to things. to give them life. the sword wouldnt know when to turn to fire and whatnot.

but if it is possible would be cool cause unless you have haki, the sword is unstopable.

Jackermeister

@ArmamentHero:

He could generate flames for a concentrated mid to long range attack base. Being able to obtain a intangible flame body would make his attacks more explosive as well.

True. He doesn't have much range. Of course he could just learn rankyaku, but what about a fire rankyaku? Much more destructive.
@Wyrdley:

(Just jumping to the end of this thread.)

Zoro said at some point that he would really like a fire sword, so I wouldn't be surprised if the Mera-Mera ends up being impaled on one of his katana at some point…

He was referring to Kinemon's flame-cutting thing. We don't know if objects can eat logias or paramecias. And I doubt that counts as "eating". Feeding a DF to an object is probably more complicated.

MiyamotoMusashi

@ForumNoob:

i think only zoan types can be imbued to things. to give them life. the sword wouldnt know when to turn to fire and whatnot.

but if it is possible would be cool cause unless you have haki, the sword is unstopable.

It would lost the characteristics of a sword, namely that it cuts. Kinemon´s sword is only covered by fire, thus it still cuts and burns at the same time but a logia sword would only burn

Foxy The Silver Fox

Is someone really suggesting that a sword will eat a Logia? How does that even make sense?

ArmamentHero

@Jackermeister:

True. He doesn't have much range. Of course he could just learn rankyaku, but what about a fire rankyaku? Much more destructive.

He was referring to Kinemon's flame-cutting thing. We don't know if objects can eat logias or paramecias. And I doubt that counts as "eating". Feeding a DF to an object is probably more complicated.

Flaming Rankyku?? Definitely awesome.

Khainiwest

@Foxy:

Is someone really suggesting that a sword will eat a Logia? How does that even make sense?

Because it's a fact, jeeze if you read the manga you'd understand basic story telling

Foxy The Silver Fox

@Khainiwest:

Because it's a fact, jeeze if you read the manga you'd understand basic story telling

No it's not a fact. The only Devil Fruit an inanimate object can eat is a Zoan.

Jackermeister

@Khainiwest:

Because it's a fact, jeeze if you read the manga you'd understand basic story telling

Don't Khaini. Just don't. Just when we finally got over that.
@ArmamentHero:

Flaming Rankyku?? Definitely awesome.

Yep. His attacks would be become stronger in general, as well.

MiyamotoMusashi

@Jackermeister:

True. He doesn't have much range. Of course he could just learn rankyaku, but what about a fire rankyaku? Much more destructive.
He was referring to Kinemon's flame-cutting thing. We don't know if objects can eat logias or paramecias. And I doubt that counts as "eating". Feeding a DF to an object is probably more complicated.

The anime made Sanji kick fireballs with his spectre attack

ForumNoob

@Khainiwest:

Because it's a fact, jeeze if you read the manga you'd understand basic story telling

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Khainiwest

@Foxy:

No it's not a fact. The only Devil Fruit an inanimate object can eat is a Zoan.

Sorry I couldn't resist mocking a specific individuals argument xD. It wasn't a serious post at all.

ForumNoob

@Foxy:

No it's not a fact. The only Devil Fruit an inanimate object can eat is a Zoan.

and someone bites

ArmamentHero

Anyways Sanji with his CoO and (possibly CoA) he could use those in combination with it as well. Especially CoO, for example: He could break apart at the point of impact to avoid damage from a Haki user.

Jackermeister

@MiyamotoMusashi:

The anime

There's your problem. Do you remember what episode, by the way?

ForumNoob

@Khainiwest:

Sorry I couldn't resist mocking a specific individuals argument xD. It wasn't a serious post at all.

next time add the ninja :ninja:

Khainiwest

@Jackermeister:

There's your problem. Do you remember what episode, by the way?

Wasn't it reflected in the manga when he was fighting the hoarde of fishmen of kicking down meteor's essentially down while flying? It was like the first few scenes of the FI fight.

MiyamotoMusashi

@Jackermeister:

There's your problem. Do you remember what episode, by the way?

Yeah, i was just suggesting that Oda might take it as inspiration or something, though it is unlikely. I think it was episode 555

ForumNoob

but in my opinion he wont get the fruit.
it would be the same as zoro eating it

would change too much from whats established as his style
for him to get it, luffy will have to give it to him. that could be taken as he prefers him over zoro. not like luffy. or that he thinks he is weaker than zoro. also not like luffy.
if oda was going to give him a fruit power up, should have been in time skip

MiyamotoMusashi

@ForumNoob:

but in my opinion he wont get the fruit.
it would be the same as zoro eating it

would change too much from whats established as his style
for him to get it, luffy will have to give it to him. that could be taken as he prefers him over zoro. not like luffy. or that he thinks he is weaker than zoro. also not like luffy.
if oda was going to give him a fruit power up, should have been in time skip

That´s the reason why not only Sanji but the entire SHs will not eat the fruit. It would make their 2 years training look unnecessary

Revolution777

It will be Eaten by Luffy's HAT, With the help of Vegapunk

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@Khainiwest:

I did not make a mistake, I'm actually indirectly proving a point. If there are exemptions to your "method" than it is not full proof therefore not fact. See that, that's called logic!

So I guess you don't see how that comparison is worthless. Okay princess, Buggy and law had obvious hints, but nothing confirming it as fact. You can't do that because there is nothing to hint what will happen to the fruit, besides the fact it will be used as leverage against luffy. That's all that has been hinted. So you have a yes or no answer to a "uh duh".

Your assumption on sanji is impossible to verify. Sanji is not dead, the fruit has not been eaten by someone else, therefore is entirely plausible. That's it, that's our discussion, not that it will happen, what the likelyhood that it will happen, but that it can happen. Therefore it cannot be "Fact" that sanji will not eat the fruit.

Nothing is 100% certain, including sanji not eating the fruit. You're just arguing against yourself now.

And that's a rational assumption. (You don't know what rational means do you LOL). It's not fact as of yet, therefore cannot be deemed as fact.

Hypocritical strawman tactic, not even worth my time.

With that possibility in mind it is not fact, only speculation. You have no argued a single point, in fact you jsut reinforced my points. Congratulations.

1. Are you serious with this? This is like saying if one pill doesn't cure all illnesses, it doesn't work at all.

2. I never said what will happen to the fruit, except for one joke. I am only saying what won't happen.

3. Come on, I already explained this one. Oda won't turn his story into such shit.

4. Some things are certain, it's just your problem that you can't see them.

5. The "LOL" in your post tells me many things about your intelligence. Facts are facts, it doesn't matter if it was revealed or not.

6. I would suggest spending some of your precious time to read a book or two, it might help.

7. If you could actually read, you would see that many posters, including me, explained why Sanji won't eat it.

@Jackermeister:

Khaini, you should just ignore him. Obviously posting "It's not 100% fact" isn't going to get you anywhere. He'll clearly never post actual reasons to back up his statements. Let's speculate why Sanji might eat the fruit or something, instead of pointlessly arguing with Strelok. Okay?

Sanji might eat the fruit because he feels he's too weak. He couldn't match Vergo and if his next opponent kicks his ass, he might feel he's at his limit or something. Fire is already part of his fighting style, so a fire fruit would suit him well. I also imagine it's getting difficult to come up with interesting moves for him, when his fighting style is basically just kicking.

If you are capable of reading, go back and you will see that quite a few people explained why he won't read. If you can read.

@ForumNoob:

this just sums up the way strelok argues his points. the only thing was missing was a " its a known fact" at the end of his statement. nothing to explain his "expression" just that you have to take his word as fact.

i said it the first day i joined that i thought he was a troll and people said not always, he has valid arguments and is funny sometimes. his arguments might be sometimes valid but he doesnt know how to express them or does it on purpose. never funny in my opinion

from now on everything he post im going to asume he is trying to troll and ignore him. do the same. dont feed the troll

If someone tries to explain something so simple to me, I would assume he is mocking me. But if you are serious: Law was in Punk Hazard, because he was the only known character who could cut people without killing them. And learn to use punctuation and spell properly, unless you are 10-year old.

@Khainiwest:

Because it's a fact, jeeze if you read the manga you'd understand basic story telling

@Khainiwest:

Sorry I couldn't resist mocking a specific individuals argument xD. It wasn't a serious post at all.

Thanks for making me look smarter. At least I can use apostrophe, dot and comma. And if you actually take the time to read the thread you will see that I explained it.

@MiyamotoMusashi:

That´s the reason why not only Sanji but the entire SHs will not eat the fruit. It would make their 2 years training look unnecessary

So you are agreeing with me? Good.

MiyamotoMusashi

@Стрелок:

So you are agreeing with me? Good.

Never said i would not. It is not your opinions that people have a problem with, most of the time they are reasonable, it is your attitude that ticks people off