Can a DF eat itself? For example there is this Zoan, and a scientist takes a little piece and feeds it to the fruit. Could this work?
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@Стрелок:
Can a DF eat itself? For example there is this Zoan, and a scientist takes a little piece and feeds it to the fruit. Could this work?
Yuck! That's cannibalism!
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I agree with Strelok ^^^
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@Стрелок:
Can a DF eat itself? For example there is this Zoan, and a scientist takes a little piece and feeds it to the fruit. Could this work?
Sounds rather pointless. It would just be a rather small animal with all of the disadvantages of being a frail fruit and having people want to take a bite out of you.
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Sounds rather pointless. It would just be a rather small animal with all of the disadvantages of being a frail fruit and having people want to take a bite out of you.
I think it will depend because Strelok mentioned a Zoan and we know that Zoan fruits have more likely ADN taken from animal, so I assume that If Vegapunk do what Sterlok asked something will happen, an animal DF user will appear who know
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Sounds rather pointless. It would just be a rather small animal with all of the disadvantages of being a frail fruit and having people want to take a bite out of you.
But DFs taste disgusting, so this could come in handy during combat. It was just a hypotetical question, anyway.
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@Стрелок:
It's only cannibalism if it has a consciousness.
But then it'd be autocannibalism… or... forced autocannibalism? what?
That's like some Hannibal Lecter shit.
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Can a Pacifista be fed a fruit.
Would the mechanism that replicates Kizaru's laser interact with the fruit the same way a another fruit would,making such an endeavor hopeless?
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Can a Pacifista be fed a fruit.
Would the mechanism that replicates Kizaru's laser interact with the fruit the same way a another fruit would,making such an endeavor hopeless?
A Pacifista could probably eat a Zoan, but eating a Logia or Paramecia is out of the question.
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@Foxy:
A Pacifista could probably eat a Zoan, but eating a Logia or Paramecia is out of the question.
How so?
Surely if it can either be fed either all of them or none at all.
Now,if this relates to you arguement about inanimate objects' incompatibility with Paramecia/Logia(which is quite a sensible arguement I'd say),then I have to note that this here is a tad different.
Your arguement,if I understood it correctly,was that an inanimate object like Climatact or a sword can't possibly use Paramecia or Logia powers since it doesn't have any "mind" to do so,while with Zoan,it would be gaining exactly that.However,a robot(I'm still hazy on whether they are heavily modified cyborgs or full-blown robots) with artificial intelligence does indeed possess a necessary degree of sentience to be able to use given Paramecia or Logia powers.
Infact,after his latest modifications,Bartholomew Kuma has as about as much concuosness as any given Pacifista model,yet he is able utilize his Paramecia fruit just fine.
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How so?
Surely if it can either be fed either all of them or none at all.
Now,if this relates to you arguement about inanimate objects' incompatibility with Paramecia/Logia(which is quite a sensible arguement I'd say),then I have to note that this here is a tad different.
Your arguement,if I understood it correctly,was that an inanimate object like Climatact or a sword can't possibly use Paramecia or Logia powers since it doesn't have any "mind" to do so,while with Zoan,it would be gaining exactly that.However,a robot(I'm still hazy on whether they are heavily modified cyborgs or full-blown robots) with artificial intelligence does indeed possess a necessary degree of sentience to be able to use given Paramecia or Logia powers.
Infact,after his latest modifications,Bartholomew Kuma has as about as much concuosness as any given Pacifista model,yet he is able utilize his Paramecia fruit just fine.
Good point, it does look like Cyborgs can consume all types of Devil Fruits.
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A cyborg is still part human.
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Overanalyzing mode Vegapunk knew exactly what fruit Kuma has, he could have programmed him accordingly. Even if scientists feed a fruit to cyborg (even part human) body they will need to program them as well. For that they should know what fruit they are using exactly (or figure its properties out somehow). Otherwise AI will not know how to use it, since it does not pocess real sentiece and creative thinking.
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A cyborg is still part human.
Yeah, but the human part are corpses in the case of the Pacifista.
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But then it'd be autocannibalism… or... forced autocannibalism? what?
That's like some Red leg Zeff shit.
Fixed that for you.
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Otherwise AI will not know how to use it, since it does not pocess real sentiece and creative thinking.
Depends on how advanced the said AI is.If an animal has the neccessary degree of intelligence to use it's fruit,I assume that the state-of-the art AI does as well.
I think the real reason why we don't see Pacifista's fed fruits is one of these two:
1)Whatever mechanism is used to replicate Kizaru's laser or other abilites is incompatible with a devil fruit pretty much the same a real fruit would be.However,in that case the solution would be simple,just remove/don't install the mechanism and feed the fruit to it instead.That's why I go with the next reason:
2)It's simply not sensible.Devil fruits are rare.Why consign an entire devil fruit to a single Pacifista unit,when you are able to replicate a desired fruit ability and implement it on a far greater scale? -
Depends on how advanced the said AI is.If an animal has the neccessary degree of intelligence to use it's fruit,I assume that the state-of-the art AI does as well.
I think the real reason why we don't see Pacifista's fed fruits is one of these two:
1)Whatever mechanism is used to replicate Kizaru's laser or other abilites is incompatible with a devil fruit pretty much the same a real fruit would be.However,in that case the solution would be simple,just remove/don't install the mechanism and feed the fruit to it instead.That's why I go with the next reason:
2)It's simply not sensible.Devil fruits are rare.Why consign an entire devil fruit to a single Pacifista unit,when you are able to replicate a desired fruit ability and implement it on a far greater scale?1. They don't seem very advanced. They can walk, scan faces and shoot stuff. And even for that they seemingly need Sentomaru. I doubt such AI can have level of intuition which would allow it to discover fruit power, if exact actions don't exist in their programming.
2. You're right. If its a strong fruit, giving it to a strong and willing officer would be more practical. And if its a weak fruit programming it just doesn't worth the trouble.
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On this page, Robin mentions the "Invincible Powers." The Goro-Goro is one of them.
I'm guessing that the Gura-Gura is also one of them. What do you guys think? Will these ever be elaborated on?
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@Foxy:
On this page, Robin mentions the "Invincible Powers." The Goro-Goro is one of them.
I'm guessing that the Gura-Gura is also one of them. What do you guys think? Will these ever be elaborated on?
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Blackbeards Dark dark fruit is also probably one of those.
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@Foxy:
On this page, Robin mentions the "Invincible Powers." The Goro-Goro is one of them.
I'm guessing that the Gura-Gura is also one of them. What do you guys think? Will these ever be elaborated on?
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Can you elaborate why you think this way? To me it looks she just meant logias in general.
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Can you elaborate why you think this way? To me it looks she just meant logias in general.
Why wouldn't she just say Logias?
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@Foxy:
Why wouldn't she just say Logias then?
Cause its implied? She said Goro-Goro is one of invincible fruits. Back then haki wasn't elaborated on (it was only mantra), and logias were practically invincible.
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@Foxy:
The Dark-Dark Fruit is the most powerful Logia
Never saw it has it. Never will. A fruit which makes you take more damage than normally when you you shouldn't get no damage at all isn't OP. It's strength resides on being a perfect DF-user-counter(And since most of the strong people find it funny not to swim it works on a bunch of them).
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@Foxy:
On this page, Robin mentions the "Invincible Powers." The Goro-Goro is one of them.
I'm guessing that the Gura-Gura is also one of them. What do you guys think? Will these ever be elaborated on?
! [http://www.onepiecebay.net/manga/mangas/One Piece/274 - Oratorio/One_Piece-v29-205.png](http://www.onepiecebay.net/manga/mangas/One Piece/274 - Oratorio/One_Piece-v29-205.png)
End-End Fruit, maybe.
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Never saw it has it. Never will. A fruit which makes you take more damage than normally when you you shouldn't get no damage at all isn't OP. It's strength resides on being a perfect DF-user-counter(And since most of the strong people find it funny not to swim it works on a bunch of them).
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I just got to disagree with Blackbeard. A fruit that could destroyed the world that's what I call a OP fruit.
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I just got to disagree with Blackbeard. A fruit that could destroyed the world that's what I call a OP fruit.
…Well you can't really disagree with it. Oda made Blackbeard say that for a reason...
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@Foxy:
…Well you can't really disagree with it. Oda made Blackbeard say that for a reason...
I normally wouldn't but I seriously can't picture this fruit as the best out there. I even found it an insult to logias. I mean this fruit really is powerful against devil fruit user. It's one of those times when I consider some feats should back out a statement.
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I normally wouldn't but I seriously can't picture this fruit as the best out there. I even found it an insult to logias. I mean this fruit really is powerful against devil fruit user. It's one of those times when I consider some feats should back out a statement.
True. But we still don't know the full extent of the Dark-Dark Fruit, so there is probably something else to it.
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@Foxy:
True. But we still don't know the full extent of the Dark-Dark Fruit, so there is probably something else to it.
Happy we could agree on that. And I'm in fact looking forward to see how hax that devil fruit can become.
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I normally wouldn't but I seriously can't picture this fruit as the best out there. I even found it an insult to logias. I mean this fruit really is powerful against devil fruit user. It's one of those times when I consider some feats should back out a statement.
it destroys everything taht it touches/ pulls into it. he is imune to df attacks. he negates the power of other users df. and that is just the beggining of what that fruit can do since he is probably getting more powerfull with it
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Blackbeards Dark dark fruit is also probably one of those.
nah, BB DF is among the worst logia's.(so far only better than- Smoke).
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it destroys everything taht it touches/ pulls into it. he is imune to df attacks. he negates the power of other users df. and that is just the beggining of what that fruit can do since he is probably getting more powerfull with it
other logia's can destroy anything they touch, nothing can hit other logia's even a non-DF user can't touch other logia's unless they have haki. Bb isn't immune to DF attacks, only when he touches a DF user that the DF user becomes normal but I can't see how BB can touch Enel or Akainu or Kuzan or Kizaru without getting damaged badly.
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1-it destroys everything taht it touches/ pulls into it. 2-he is imune to df attacks.3- he negates the power of other users df.4- and that is just the beggining of what that fruit can do since he is probably getting more powerfull with it
1-It's absorbs not destroyed
2-He isn't
3-Yeah his fruit is a excellent counter to devil fruit user.I mean this fruit really is powerful against devil fruit user.
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And I'm in fact looking forward to see how hax that devil fruit can become
But damn your avatar is disturbing. You even got a title way faster than normal because of it.
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@Foxy:
The Dark-Dark Fruit is the most powerful Logia
please don't make stuff up.. Only WB paramecia fruit has ever been stated to be one of the most or most powerful in paramecia class.
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please don't make stuff up.. Only WB paramecia fruit has ever been stated to be one of the most or most powerful in paramecia class.
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@Foxy:
…Well you can't really disagree with it. Oda made Blackbeard say that for a reason...
Oda made BB say his the strongest man, that this is his era, that he will kill WB but so far they all a lie. Which Oda proved when WB said BB is too cocky and overconfidence.
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Oda made BB say his the strongest man, that this is his era, that he will kill WB but so far they all a lie. Which Oda proved when WB said BB is too cocky and overconfidence.
Blackbeard was responsible for Whitebeard's death, and he became a Yonko in a very short amount of time, so it looks like he delivers on his promises.
I'm not insanely impressed by the Dark-Dark Fruit so far, but Oda wouldn't have said it was the strongest Devil Fruit if it wasn't true.
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Oda made BB say his the strongest man, that this is his era, that he will kill WB but so far they all a lie. Which Oda proved when WB said BB is too cocky and overconfidence.
Did you read the manga page he post?
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@Foxy:
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lmao "most powerful among DF's not just logia's yeah right. So you seriously believe that DF is the most powerful of all the devilfruits? More powerful than the Gura Gura? More powerful than light fruit? lightening fruit? Magma fruit? OP OP fruit? Sorry I disagree.
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lmao "most powerful among DF's not just logia's yeah right. So you seriously believe that DF is the most powerful of all the devilfruits? More powerful than the Gura Gura? More powerful than light fruit? lightening fruit? Magma fruit? OP OP fruit? Sorry I disagree.
I would also disagree with it, but it's already confirmed that it's the strongest Devil Fruit. And we still don't know what else it's capable of.
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@Foxy:
Blackbeard was responsible for Whitebeard's death, and he became a Yonko in a very short amount of time, so it looks like he delivers on his promises.
I'm not insanely impressed by the Dark-Dark Fruit so far, but Oda wouldn't have said it was the strongest Devil Fruit if it wasn't true.
i guess we need to confirm the translation of what he actually said cuz I'm not believing that(most powerful DF).
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Oda made BB say his the strongest man, that this is his era, that he will kill WB but so far they all a lie. Which Oda proved when WB said BB is too cocky and overconfidence.
his cockyness and overconfidence has nothing to do with the power of the devil fruit.
that fruit stoped aces df and WB df.
1-It's absorbs not destroyed
2-He isn't
3-Yeah his fruit is a excellent counter to devil fruit user.1 it destryed the town buildings after it got absorbed
2 he feels pain of df attacks, but he is immune to the effects of it 3- yep, hex df counter -
i guess we need to confirm the translation of what he actually said cuz I'm not believing that(most powerful DF).
It also says it in the Viz translation and every translation on the internet.
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lmao "most powerful among DF's not just logia's yeah right. So you seriously believe that DF is the most powerful of all the devilfruits? More powerful than the Gura Gura? More powerful than light fruit? lightening fruit? Magma fruit? OP OP fruit? Sorry I disagree.
yes more powerfull because it can render them useless. the only way you can battle that fruit is with haki, and is not surprising since thats the only way to battle logias
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@Foxy:
It also says it in the Viz translation and every translation on the internet.
well I'm still doubting Oda meant the dark fruit is literally the strongest, cuz that fruit isn't even meant for offensive fighting or attack.
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yes more powerfull because it can render them useless. the only way you can battle that fruit is with haki, and is not surprising since thats the only way to battle logias
No! Enel can zap BB from far without even getting close to him, look at Ace vs BB every attack Ace threw at BB hit him, now imagine that being Akainu or Aokiji- BB will melt immediately or frozen.
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No! Enel can zap BB from far without even getting close to him, look at Ace vs BB every attack Ace threw at BB hit him, now imagine that being Akainu or Aokiji- BB will melt immediately or frozen.
That's all speculation. We don't know how Blackbeard can do against them.
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@Foxy:
That's all speculation. We don't know how Blackbeard can do against them.
Before the timeskip, he would have been shit outta luck. He ran away from Akainu when he had his whole crew with him.
Now he's apparently Yonkou-level, so who knows? But that's not the power of the Yami fruit ALONE.