Spandam deserves the biggest ass Kicking of all.
Enies Lobby: When the Dust Clears…
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Actually, I was kind of hoping he'd run away from, his well-deserved ass-kicking at Luffy's hand, only to face execution by the WG for his obvious incompetence.
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I had a thought. Lucchi, perhaps as much as any major villan of OP, deserves to die just for being as big a bastich as Spandam. What better way for Lucchi to die, without Luffy technically killing him, than by drowning? Afterall, it's the perfect "bad death" for Lucchi; for all his Rokushiki, he's useless in the water, and he even boasted about swimming as a "lame weakness".
Since CP9 are not pirates, they do not follow Oda's rule of "allowing pirates to live for another shot at their dreams".
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I had a thought. Lucchi, perhaps as much as any major villan of OP, deserves to die just for being as big a bastich as Spandam. What better way for Lucchi to die, without Luffy technically killing him, than by drowning? Afterall, it's the perfect "bad death" for Lucchi; for all his Rokushiki, he's useless in the water, and he even boasted about swimming as a "lame weakness".
Since CP9 are not pirates, they do not follow Oda's rule of "allowing pirates to live for another shot at their dreams".
That'd be interesting. But there's one flaw in the theory. It expects Oda, as in Eiichiro Oda, as in the creator of One Piece, to kill somone outside of a flashback. Minor or major, pirate or no, that has yet to really happen to my knowledge. The ONLY occurrences I can think of offhand are:
Crocodile and Captain Pig
The Skypeian/Shandian people sending Ener's priests off on a cloud into the middle of nowhere
Bellamy's death at the hands of Sarquiss/Doflamingo.In each of those cases, none of them were major characters (maybe Bellamy, but that's debatable). And in one of them there's actually potential for them to still be alive.
On the other hand, I'll admit that actually provides all the reason in the world for SOMEONE to eventually fall for good and for that moment to be very shock-worthy. So it IS possible, but I don't know how likely it is.
But then that's just my opinon. I could be wrong.
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I shall clarify that Oda's rule appears to apply only to pirates (when fighting Mugiwaras), so Lucchi is fair game. Here's why.
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A) All of the major (minor character) flashback deaths thus far were upon non-pirates; Tom (shipwright), Bellemere (Marine), Hiliruk (Thief/Doctor), Populace of O'hara (Archeologists/Innocents).
B) All certain present day deaths were against "nobody" characters; Baroque Works agents, Marines, the Piggy Pirates, Carpenters (?), God's Militia, and one Buggy pirate. Even Mr.11 was a nobody, as he only appeared in a couple chapters, and even though he was named, he affected the plot in a very minimal manner.
C) Villian deaths are a subject of great debate; if we stretch inferences a bit, there have been a number of deaths, though only one major death at the hands of the Strawhats. I like to make an analogy to Yu Yu Hakusho and Dragonball for this. In both shows, respective villans, like Byakko (White Tiger Youkai) and General Blue, Colonel Silver, Commander Red, General White (Red Ribbon Army), as well as Napa (Saiyajin) were defeated by the protagonist or a main character, but were killed by another villan or another main character. Consider Eneru's priests, whom, aside from Gedatsu, were put on a drifting cloud after they were defeated by the Strawhats/Shandians, allegedly without dials. Conis did say that was a death sentence. Bellamy was beaten by Luffy, but "killed" by de Flamingo.
There is ONE exception, though; Mr.1 at the hands of Zoro. It looks very likely Zoro killed Mr.1, because Zoro has a history of killing people/animals (like Helemppo's wolf), as well as the bounty hunters on Whisky Peak. Lastly, as people have said before, Mr.1's alleged fifty one million berry bounty is most likely false, because he was a bounty hunter originally before becoming a criminal; not a pirate.
This is why I think Lucchi's death from drowning is very possible; technically, Luffy would not have killed Lucchi, and it's not likely Luffy would try to rescue him or anything because Lucchi was such a bastich earlier AND he's no pirate. It's also possible Zoro might kill Kaku, but Kaku seems less deserving of an all-out arse kicking. Then again, one could say the same of Mr.1.
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Got no argument with most of that. It is true. Still, with the exception of Zoro (who are mostly implied than flat out killed on-page) the straw hats have yet to actually kill anyone (You could argue Robin, but she's potentially killed only once since we've seen her appear [Yama]). The only way for Lucci to drown is to either get knocked into water by Luffy, fall into it accidentally while fighting Luffy, or to fall into it accidentally after losing to Luffy.
The last of the three is most likely, in my opinion. The first puts Luffy to blame, and he has yet to both kill an opponent and show the kind of murderous rage towards Lucci we've seen him display towards Arlong and Crocodile (thoug htere's still time for th elatter). The second would involve Luffy winning his fight almost purely by luck. I think this is unlikely as Luffy, while occaisionally getting lucky, very rarely wins his fights purely as a result of luck. The third, however, Luffy could get in his ass-kicking, while lucci falls afterwards (either by Luffy's hand, another's, or purely by chance).
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Crocodile wasn't killed. If he was, then Tashigi arresting him would be pointless… why arrest a dead man? Plus, if you look at the paper Goldenweek is holding when they're reading about Baroque Works' defeat, it seems to indicate that they were all arrested, save for Das Bones.
Also, you forgot about the two men Krieg Killed, Das Bones' death at the hands of Zoro (1 of 2 reasons why Zoro was given a 60 million beli bounty, and Smoker even confirmed that Das Bones was killed), Arlong's death at the hands of Luffy (And yes, I think someone mentioned that Arlong broke his neck. You don't actually see Arlong get arrested), Buggy killing that man for insulting him (In his mind), The dude Lucky Roux plugs in the head (The first death in all of One Piece), and so forth.
No, I think Crocodile will be in Impel Down, and that will actually be a plot element in the final moments of Enies Lobby.
Here's how I think it'll go down:
Robin will ask Spandam if he's related to Spandain, and he'll confirm that it's because of his father's promotion after the Ohara incident that he was given permission to use the Buster Call by Kuzan. Robin will say something about Saul, which Luffy will question, and Robin will respond with the non-typcial, "He was a D." No one else will have a clue what she means except for Luffy, who I think has begun to understand what Robin told him back at Rainbase. He'll grab onto the ledge by Spandam and fly up there, startling Spandam, who will drop the Golden Den Den Mushi. Lucchi will be pissed and catch it in his mouth just before it hits the ground. Luffy will punch Spandam, messing up the other side of his face. After a spaz session, he'll ask Lucchi to hit the button on the Den Den Mushi, but Lucchi will throw it over the edge and into the ocean.
After that happens, The following battles will occur:
Sanji vs. Kalifa (Which will be a hilarious battle, because of Kalifa's Feminism and Sanji's Lust)
Luffy Vs. Kaku
Zoro and Nami vs. Jyabura
Chopper and Usopp (As Sogeking) vs. Lucchi
Franky and Robin vs. Fukurou
After the battles, the Franky Family will get the Drawbridge down and storm into the Judicial Tower. They'll find the way to Impel Down, and bust open the gates... to find everyone dead, killed by Crocodile or another mysterious person (Luffy's Grandfather, anyone?). They'll relay the message to the Mugiwara, who will decide that it's best to return to Water 7 and decide what to do from there.
After returning to Water 7, Iceburg will order the Galley-La Company to build the Strawhats a new ship, while Paulie and the Franky Family will volunteer to find out who escaped from Impel Down and killed everyone in the process. Meanwhile, the Gorosei will learn from a bloodied Spandam that everyone in Impel Down was slaughtered by an unknown force, and that the Strawhats have defeated CP9.
Bounties:
Luffy: 300 million+
Franky: 100 million
Chopper: 100 million
Sanji: 250 million
Zoro: 220 million (This will be a big subject of boasting for Sanji, which is something Oda would do, if only to piss off Zoro XD)
Nami: 100 Million
Robin: 400 million (Why would Robin have the highest, rather than Luffy? Because Robin will have been found to be a true nakama of the Straw Hats. The government already takes her seriously, and would consider her a triple threat if she was to find a group of outlaws she actually trusts)From there, who knows?
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I like the third, too. We've no idea where these battles are going to take place, but I can bet they will have to branch out from that tiny gateway from the Courthouse to the Main Tower. The closest water route would be the "Calm Belt" behind the giant Enies Lobby door; Luffy and whomever could possibly follow Robin/Franky, and we would have a duel over that area. Since there a sea monsters, we might be able to see a paralyzed Lucchi get eaten, or to build on that, a seamonster chomps a weakened Lucchi and takes him underwater, were he can't move.
Oooh, the next six months for the OP manga is going to be pure gold. Assuredly, this will be much more entertaining that the Naruto fights.
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One final passing note. Cats proverbially hate water. Hah.
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Oda said in an interview that Luffy did not kill Arlong.
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One final passing note. Cats proverbially hate water. Hah.
I'm annoyed at myself… I'm a cat person, and I never even considered that fact...
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I still go by that theory that the final blow that will take care of Lucci will open the Gate of Justice. I have no doubts that this will happen.
When Luffy finished Crocodile the power he released was to strong that some parts of the city were damaged. When he defeated Enel he made that friggin gigantic bell ring again. There´s no doubt for me that Luffy will do something even more amazing, since he´s Gear 2nd Luffy now.
And since it´s constantly said that the gate doesn´t open fully or that it can´t be opened by the hands of men it just screams for Luffy to prove it wrong. XD
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If Luffy fights Lucchi, I still think Chopper will take a part in the fight. Luffy hasn't really fought any of the Zoan types until now; as far as I can think, only Chopper and Usopp have (And that's cause most of the Zoans so far are good guys). Since Kalifa is a kicker, that's Sanji's forte. Kaku is an all around guy, which is Luffy's alley. And Jyabura is apparently a swordsman, which is Zoro's territory. And the zipper mouth dude… we don't know WHAT he can do, but I'm sure it's something Robin and Franky could handle.
Speaking of which, what do you think Kaku and Kalifa's devil fruit powers are? Kalifa's fruit looks like a banana, so I think hers could be a Zoan... like a Spider Monkey or something equally odd. I think Kaku's will allow him to kinetically charge things and hurl them at opponents, like his knives (Similar to Gambit).
What I'd really love to see Oda do is have Kalifa's fruit make her really really fat and ugly, like Alvida before she ate the Sube Sube fruit. That'd take her self-righteous feminism down a peg. XD
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@Fire Fist:
If Luffy fights Lucchi, I still think Chopper will take a part in the fight. Luffy hasn't really fought any of the Zoan types until now; as far as I can think, only Chopper and Usopp have (And that's cause most of the Zoans so far are good guys).
What does that have to do with anything. He didn´t need the help of his brother against Crocodile or Enel who are all logia users. Why should he now require the help of a zoan to take out another zoan?
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Well, I'm sure Luffy could handle it eventually, but it helps to have someone who understands how the power works and how to counteract it. Luffy was so amazed at Chopper's 7 form transformation ability when they first met in Drum, and Chopper's Brain Point is a great help when fighting certain enemies. It really helped against Chess and Marimo AND Mr. 3 and Ms. Merry Christmas, so it could help Luffy with Lucchi and Hattori.
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Luffy is more the guy that figures stuff out on his own. It may be inspired on others sometimes but it´s not that he needs somebody to tell him what to do.
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You would have to agree, however, that Chopper's "Brain Point" technique could come in handy while battling the awesomely powerful CP9. Then again, Luffy did figure out how to beat Blueno rather easily compared to what most people would consider a "hard fight." Consider this, however - even if Luffy doesn't use Chopper's help to defeat Luchi, Chopper will sure as hell use it against his opponent in the battle; which may result in helping the weaker members of the "Straw-Hats" aka Nami and Usopp.
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Chopper´s Brain Point ability could come in handy for every Strawhat against any opponent. That would be boring. Each character should find a way to defeat his opponent on his own. If someone else would do it for them, then they wouldn´t grow by themselves.
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You bring up a valid point. It just something to always keep in mind while in the mix of things.
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Somethign to consider though, is Brain Point's apparent weakness: It needs time to work. Against Kuromarimo, Kuromarimo initially didn't take it seriously and hesitated to attack. That gave Chopper the necessary time. Against Mr. 4, he was doing it while being attacked by Mr. 4 and Lasoo. Chopper could use Brain Point, the CP Niner he fights would have to, for one reason or another, allow Chopper the time necessary.
You wanna hears omething kinda freaky? I'm gettign this weird Deja Vu feeling as I type this message. LIke I can remmbering once typing it out before…
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Somethign to consider though, is Brain Point's apparent weakness: It needs time to work. Against Kuromarimo, Kuromarimo initially didn't take it seriously and hesitated to attack. That gave Chopper the necessary time. Against Mr. 4, he was doing it while being attacked by Mr. 4 and Lasoo. Chopper could use Brain Point, the CP Niner he fights would have to, for one reason or another, allow Chopper the time necessary.
**That is completley true. But all that means is that chopper would have to buy sometime for himself. He could, perhaps, rapidily switch forms and in short intervals be in brain point. and then he could combine the combined data from all the times he has used scope (in brain point) to find a weakness.
Or he can create some sort of distraction in order to be able to use breain point for a long enoughf time. Either those or his oppenent gives him time.
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I believe that chopper has upgraded his rumble ball to allow for more time. Which would allow him better chances at attacking. Because, frankly, I find it hard to believe the fight will last only around 3 minutes.**
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Eitehr that or Chopper will pick a good time to use it.
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@Octogon:
I believe that chopper has upgraded his rumble ball to allow for more time. Which would allow him better chances at attacking. Because, frankly, I find it hard to believe the fight will last only around 3 minutes.
Ever heard of anime time? The Furiza fight in Dragonball took about 30 episodes (purposely exagerated by me, but you know what I'm trying to say), but only took 5 minutes in their time. On the other hand, the Sailor Moon transformations take about 30 seconds to watch but are almost instantenous to the characters.
Oda-sensei can make Chopper's fights as damn long as he likes and say it's 3 minutes. It was always the fact that Chopper only used one Rumble per story arc that made me mad (once in Drum, once in Alabasta, once in Skypiea), but he's broken that now by using a Rumble twice in Water7 (Franky House and during Aqua Laguna) before his main fight.
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Ah, the infamouos five-hour-long-five-minutes (I'm not exaggerating, the whole thing lasted about 10 episodes, which on regular TV equals about 5 hours [ten 30 minute increments])
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@Octogon:
**That is completley true. But all that means is that chopper would have to buy sometime for himself. He could, perhaps, rapidily switch forms and in short intervals be in brain point. and then he could combine the combined data from all the times he has used scope (in brain point) to find a weakness.
Or he can create some sort of distraction in order to be able to use breain point for a long enoughf time. Either those or his oppenent gives him time.
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I believe that chopper has upgraded his rumble ball to allow for more time. Which would allow him better chances at attacking. Because, frankly, I find it hard to believe the fight will last only around 3 minutes.**
Personally, I'm hoping we'll get some new forms soon. Hell, every other character has had some kind of power up or new move unveiled this storyline, it's time chopper moved on up too.
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Was it ever said what Franky bought with the 200 million beli? I know he wasted some of it on booze, but didn't he leave Water7 to make a purchase?
Also, I think it'd be interesting if the Straw Hats went to San Faldo next, where the prolonged costume carnival is going on. Their faces are sure to be plenty famous after Enies Lobby, so naturally, the best place to go would be a place where their faces can't be seen.
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Nope, it hasn´t been revealed what Franky spent the money on yet.
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Was it ever said what Franky bought with the 200 million beli? I know he wasted some of it on booze, but didn't he leave Water7 to make a purchase?
Also, I think it'd be interesting if the Straw Hats went to San Faldo next, where the prolonged costume carnival is going on. Their faces are sure to be plenty famous after Enies Lobby, so naturally, the best place to go would be a place where their faces can't be seen.
That's a fantastic suggestion ^_____^
And I know, it's driving me crazy too what the hell could have happened to that money franky spent.
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That's a fantastic suggestion ^_____^
And I know, it's driving me crazy too what the hell could have happened to that money franky spent.
It makes me wonder if perhaps he was buying parts for another one of his inventions… and perhaps this invention will be given to the Straw Hats as reperations for stealing their money and beating up their sharpshooter.
Just a thought.
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Well I don't think the Franky Family and the straw hats were on the same side at that point, so whatever Franky bought, I'm sure it was something he intended for himself but once this arc is over, he'll give it to the Straw Hats as a thanks or something like that.
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Franky's always had a passion for battleships. He could have actually been building a working version of Pluton right under the noses of the Galley-La foreman, and all that money could simply have been used to purchase special parts. That would utterly hillarious if it were true.
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Franky's always had a passion for battleships. He could have actually been building a working version of Pluton right under the noses of the Galley-La foreman, and all that money could simply have been used to purchase special parts. That would utterly hillarious if it were true.
ESPECIALLY if the theories about the sinking part of water 7 being built on the ever descending ruins of pluton are true.
SPANDAM: BWAHAHAHAHAHA! I have raised the ancient pluton!
FRANKY: Well I BUILT one! With upgrades!
SPANDAM: Shit!
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I don't think Pluton being hidden under Water 7 are true because then, it would make the blueprints useless. Cipher Pol wouldn't need to spend years trying to find out everything can about everyone who could be involved with the blueprints and their whereabouts if Pluton is under Water 7 the whole time.
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@Bad-Beat:
I don't think Pluton being hidden under Water 7 are true because then, it would make the blueprints useless. Cipher Pol wouldn't need to spend years trying to find out everything can about everyone who could be involved with the blueprints and their whereabouts if Pluton is under Water 7 the whole time.
Unless they had no idea Water 7 was built on Pluton…
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Unless they had no idea Water 7 was built on Pluton…
well, say this rumour is true, then that means that someone in the one piece world must know it otherwise we wouldn't know about it. And if somebody in the One Piece world knows then most likely the WG will be able to find out about it.
Hope that made sense, now…CRUMPET TIME!!
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ESPECIALLY if the theories about the sinking part of water 7 being built on the ever descending ruins of pluton are true.
Pluton is hidden somewhere in Alabasta. Crocodile already knew that Ancient Weapon was there. That´s why he wanted to find the Poneglyph.
The Poneglyph itself only proved that right. If there would have been some other Ancient Weapon described there, then Crocodile´s assumption would be wrong, but it in fact contained the information where it was. True, we never found out that the Poneglyph said that it was really in Alabasta, BUT when Crocodile expects the weapon to be there long before the Poneglyph is found, when the Poneglyph tells it´s location, when Cobra knows that and his royal duty is to protect the stone then this would be too much coincidences to mean that Pluton is not hidden in Alabasta.
Besides, why should Pluton still be in Water 7. It was built there, but a ship that is finished usually can be found everywhere else besides at that place where it was built. Especially if it got so prominent that it got featured on a Poneglyph.
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Some guy in IRC, it was probably Selphish but his name is Olorin there, told me that he thought Impel Down and Water 7 were connected, specifically the waterfall thing of impel down and the fountain in W7. Anyway, is that you Selphish?
@Bad-Beat:
well, say this rumour is true, then that means that someone in the one piece world must know it otherwise we wouldn't know about it. And if somebody in the One Piece world knows then most likely the WG will be able to find out about it.
Hope that made sense, now…CRUMPET TIME!!
BAD-BEAT. Just felt like sayin' it.
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Ivotas, what if the poneglyph said to find pluton in water7 under the fountain? The olorin guy was smart, I liked his theories.
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Well as I said it, it wasn´t revealed about which location the was talking, but it´s too much conincidences to not be Alabasta.
Besides, having Pluton remain in Water 7 is kinda, well how shall I say it…bleh.
The ancient shipwrights of Water 7 build this great weapon and then instead of having it set sail it remains on that island and they build even a city on it and centuries later even another city on the old one? Sorry but that sounds a little bit far off. If that is the case then Pluton would deserve any mention on any Poneglyph.
Besides, the way as it looks, the old city that went under is the city where those ancient shipwrights lived. Meaning, the city was there and those shipwrights that lived there built Pluton. So the city was there before.
If we go by that city built on Pluton theory then there must be at least three Water 7 cities:
- The first city is the one where the shipwrights that build Pluton lived on, meaning it came before the Ancient Weapon.
- The second city is that one built on Pluton. Which means Pluton already remains on the ruins of the first city.
- The third city is the one that exists nowadays and it is built on the ruins of the old city, that is build on Pluton that lays on the first city.
Sorry but for my tastes this is a dull theory. We know definitely that Pluton was built long ago in the city of Water 7. This means that the city already existed back then. So if that theory about Pluton beneath Water 7 should hold any water, then it just can be as I elaborated with the three cities. And sorry I don´t see that happening especially when there´s so many conincidences hinting that it is hidden at Alabasta.
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But Ivotas, what if Aqua Laguna is a result of the weapon, what if they built Water 7 over the weapon in order to hide it. What if it explains the 'sinking city'.
Again, these are Olorin's theories, but I like them.
I consider the evidence that pluton is in alabasta pretty compelling as well though. For instance, after Luffy defeated Crocodile, he asked Robin why she didn't read the poneglyph accurately and said that if she did, everything would have been lost.
If Pluton wasn't accessible from Alabasta, how would her having read the poneglyph changed the outcome of Luffy's fight with him. Luffy had already beaten Croc at that point, so it's implied pretty strongly by the king that if Croc knew what the poneglyph said, Luffy would have lost. The only way luffy would have lost is if the poneglyph gave croc access to something very powerful.
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Of course, only Robin knows for sure where it is.
Actually, I wondered if Crocodile took into account the fact that PLuton could easily be hidden far away from Alabasta.
Also, if the weapons ARE located where the Poneglyphs are, then does that mean Poseidon is located close to Jaya (now THAT'S something to worry about, considering MockTown)
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Interesting question here; Croc did expect to find Pluton, so why would it be buried under Water 7? I mean, Croc was looking to use the weapon as soon as he got his hands on it…if it were under Water 7, it would mostly likely be a ruin unless there was some secret underground air cavern where it was anchored.
...also, how is Water 7 connected to Impel Down? Do you mean Enies Lobby? There's a massive "Calm-Belt" like sea that seperates Enies Lobby, the Marine HQ, and Impel Down.
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I meant Ennie's Lobby.
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A sea cavern linking two islands does has a habit of making its way into modern pirate lore, but we've no idea exactly how long Enies Lobby was established, or why the sun always shines there. I find that (the eternal shining) bit the most interesting tidbit of Enies Lobby. Why does that happen?
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But Ivotas, what if Aqua Laguna is a result of the weapon, what if they built Water 7 over the weapon in order to hide it. What if it explains the 'sinking city'.
Well it´s just as I said, if that is the case then there has to be three Water 7 cities because first came the city then Pluton. And I´ve nowhere seen a mention that the old sunken city is built on an even older city that sank before.
And about Alabasta, I´ll sum it up again:
- Crocodile expected Pluton to be in Alabasta
- Crocodile expected a Poneglyph to be in Alabasta
- Crocodile expected that Cobra knew where the Poneglyph is hidden
- Crocodile expected that the Poneglyph contains information about Pluton
Now three of the four assumptions of Crocodile were correct. How high are chances actually that he was mistaken about the first one actually? He was so well informed on everything that it is very unlikely though not impossible that he was mistaken about Pluton´s location. The events in Alabasta indicate that it is there and what we know about Water 7 indicates that Pluton is anywhere else but there. Fact is Water 7 existed and the shipwrights from there built it. So the city came first. That is a given. I don´t know how often I need to say that until it is clear.
So unless there isn´t three Water 7 cities of which two have sunk, the chances the Pluton is beneath the city is absolutely zero. And so far it was mentioned that there is only two cities. The old one that sank and the new one that´s sinking now.
I don´t even know why there always has to be a reason to be found to connect stuff like Aqua Laguna, a sinking Water 7 and Pluton. Why can´t the weapon be completely unrelated to what´s happening to the city?
And even if there should be a connection between these things, then there surely can be found more plausible explenations then the "built the city on the weapon" thing.
For instace, I don´t see it any different from the nuke testings in the real world. If the military tests them, then it is always far away from cilivlized places so that no people get harmed. However even if the radioactivity is far out of reach for mankind nuke testings can cause more destruction if uncalculated stuff happens. It might launch a chain reaction of seismic activities that by a long shot can be very destructive.
And the same could actually apply to Water 7 IMO. Those who built Pluton could have wanted to test the firepower of what they built and didn´t calculate possible chain reactions. The city didn´t sink over night. It sank over centuries. Sounds very much like some disturbance in nature that could easily be the result of an uncalculated WMD chain reaction.
To me at least it is much more plausible then to build an entire city on a ship.
Also, if the weapons ARE located where the Poneglyphs are, then does that mean Poseidon is located close to Jaya (now THAT'S something to worry about, considering MockTown)
Well it could also be somewhere on Upper Yard. After all, that´s the bigger part of the original Jaya.
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Of course, only Robin knows for sure where it is.
Actually, I wondered if Crocodile took into account the fact that PLuton could easily be hidden far away from Alabasta.
Also, if the weapons ARE located where the Poneglyphs are, then does that mean Poseidon is located close to Jaya (now THAT'S something to worry about, considering MockTown)
This is an interesting point.
I'd like to add that I didn't say it was my theory, I just brought it up to set up my joke.
Be that as it may, I think what's actually on the poneglyphs would be very interesting to hear about. This ancient civilization, on the brink of collapse, enemies closing in, decides the most important thing to preserve for posterity is…..the location of all their best guns? :wacko:
This does not sound smart or logical. I think there's a lot more going on here than we've been told about.
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(Ignorant guess time).
If Water 7 was (as it seems to presently be) the greatest shipyard in the world, it's quite reasonable to bring Pluton back there for maintenence, upgrades, or decommissioning/teardown. It may be the only facility adequately equipped for the task.
Perhaps Pluton was so vital to the defence scheme that when it was taken out of circulation, everything fell apart in a matter of days/weeks, so you have the most powerful weapon in the seas, stuck in drydock, as society collapses.
Are the Poneglyphs which still exist known to be the WHOLE set? I could well see the conquerors of the ancients not wanting to bother preserving Poneglyphs of culture, art, or science, but coveting the weapons enough to hold onto the information as to where they can be found.
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If you read the last chapter, Bounty, you'd know that the Poneglyphs are indestructable. Even the one in Ohara is still there… just at the bottom of the sea now.
IMHO, the impact of Pluton and Poseidon firing on each other created the Grand Line. That would explain the calm belts as an area of "Nuclear" fallout. I can imagine the impact of a great ship creating a shockwave that would span the whole world. And the impact point was Raftel Island, which would also explain why no one can get to it... who could get near an island that has extreme nuclear fallout on it except for someone who was ready to die? Say... a Certain Pirate King?
That's what I think happened. Roger made it to Raftel and found out the truth about what happened: Poseidon (D Kingdom's weapon) and Pluton (Gorosei's ancient weapon) fired on each other, creating a massive explosion that ripped through the center of the world, screwing up magnetic fields and everything else. But after staying there for a while, he discovered he had contracted radiation sickness.
Anyway, back on subject. I don't think Water 7 is the greatest shipyard in the World. The Kaigun's main shipyard is, obviously. Some of the Kaigun's more powerful officers have some amazing ships, and specialized vehicles for those with Akuma no Mi powers (Kuzan's Bicycle, Smoker's Motorcycle, and others).
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@Fire Fist:
IMHO, the impact of Pluton and Poseidon firing on each other created the Grand Line. That would explain the calm belts as an area of "Nuclear" fallout. I can imagine the impact of a great ship creating a shockwave that would span the whole world. And the impact point was Raftel Island, which would also explain why no one can get to it… who could get near an island that has extreme nuclear fallout on it except for someone who was ready to die? Say... a Certain Pirate King?
Well this is something I think could really be the case to. Perhaps the Grand Line was once a continent like the Grand Line and the power of the Ancient Weapons made it what it is today. The Calm Belt and those big sea kings could all be after effects of the power the weapons unleashed. All in all I agree with your theory.
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Well this is something I think could really be the case to. Perhaps the Grand Line was once a continent like the Grand Line and the power of the Ancient Weapons made it what it is today. The Calm Belt and those big sea kings could all be after effects of the power the weapons unleashed. All in all I agree with your theory.
So do I. I think that is the most plausible theory thus far. It would explain so many things.
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@Fire Fist:
If you read the last chapter, Bounty, you'd know that the Poneglyphs are indestructable. Even the one in Ohara is still there… just at the bottom of the sea now.
Okay, bad choice of words. But there could still be thousands of intact, but buried or ignored poneglyphs. The ones we see could be distributed around the world not because they represent the ONLY Poneglyphs, but because the knowledge they represented was coveted by looters or was saleable, justifying retrieving and widely distributing them in the short-term aftermath of the social collapse.
I'm just pondering the "society's crumbling and we make it a point to record where our guns are" comment.
Anyway, back on subject. I don't think Water 7 is the greatest shipyard in the World. The Kaigun's main shipyard is, obviously. Some of the Kaigun's more powerful officers have some amazing ships, and specialized vehicles for those with Akuma no Mi powers (Kuzan's Bicycle, Smoker's Motorcycle, and others).
Okay, point given. Still, there are probably only a handful of places such a ship could have been serviced, and W7 might have been one of them, justifying how it could have gotten there.