One Piece Mafia

Flaming-Spirit Luffy

I'm checking in,

to me, the information or thoughts of everyone is still blurry.
I like the idea about the unofficial vote.
I guess there is not much to discuss now…

unofficial town vote Elisabeth Heart

Elisabeth Heart

@Malice:

Sorry if that insulted you. The reason while I’ll give the gun to you is not the lack of experience (lack of experience doesn't make you a bad player just how experience doesn't necessarily make you a good player) but because you won’t be influenced by the past games so you can make a choice just by reading the posts. But I guess most of the people think we should use the Mayor role as a second lynch vote (aka everyone’s gonna vote on who’s gonna be targeted by the mayor) instead of a vigilante role (aka going after the person YOU think/feel is a mafia). So in the end, everyone who’s gonna be Mayor is actually gonna be a “toy in the other players’s hands” simply because he/she can’t actually go with the gut feeling but listen to the other players instead.

:) it's okay.
As for not being influenced by previous game, I guess it is true, yet the elected one don't have many options but to the choice of the majority.
Of course being a mayor means you are being tested. If the targeted one isn't killed during the night the Mayor will automatically be lynched the next night.

Now, isn't revealing your partner the best way to figure out who is being alone, ergo suspicious ?

Mastello

@Elisabeth:

Now, isn't revealing your partner the best way to figure out who is being alone, ergo suspicious ?

I don't know if that kind of massclaiming would help, but I definitely like the fact that if accidentally we lynch or the mayor shoots a townie, that townie can reveal his partner before he's killed, which confirms the said partner as townie as well.

For example, you decide to shoot me, then I reveal my partner and when I'm killed and revealed as townie, you know my partner is clear.

Assuming mafia/town/third party can't be partnered together.

kmohyudin

@Elisabeth:

:)Now, isn't revealing your partner the best way to figure out who is being alone, ergo suspicious ?

I concur, if everyone has partners, mass revealing cannot hurt anyone. This would also help to clear anyone who is killed by mafia/ third party at night. Also like you said, the lone one could be a start to get our suspicions going.

Mr M

@kmohyudin:

I concur, if everyone has partners, mass revealing cannot hurt anyone. This would also help to clear anyone who is killed by mafia/ third party at night. Also like you said, the lone one could be a start to get our suspicions going.

i disagree , if the mafia has a even number , they would just say that they are paired up with eachother

maybe people like cops dont have partners

kmohyudin

@metteminne:

i disagree , if the mafia has a even number , they would just say that they are paired up with eachother

Thats not the point. The point is if townies are not partnered with third party/ mafia (which is quite unlikely), clearing one would clear the second as well. Since, deaths disclose the affinity, as people start dying by mafia/ third party/ lynch/ gun, others would start to get cleared. But, this will only happen if pairs are pre-claimed.

@metteminne:

maybe people like cops dont have partners

Thats just baseless assumption…

Mastello

@metteminne:

i disagree , if the mafia has a even number , they would just say that they are paired up with eachother

maybe people like cops dont have partners

Pardon my curiosity, but are you saying you don't have a partner?

Mr M

@kmohyudin:

Thats not the point. The point is if townies are not partnered with third party/ mafia (which is quite unlikely), clearing one would clear the second as well. Since, deaths disclose the affinity, as people start dying by mafia/ third party/ lynch/ gun, others would start to get cleared. But, this will only happen if pairs are pre-claimed.

Thats just baseless assumption…

i see , still risky in my book , but i would wait with it + it only helps once we killed one mafia , then we can kill his partner

and if cop has a partner , he might have much power , but who knows

Mr M

@Mastello:

Pardon my curiosity, but are you saying you don't have a partner?

i havent said anything about that yet , and i will wait before i will reveal something about that

kmohyudin

@metteminne:

it only helps once we killed one mafia , then we can kill his partner

It also helps with the process of elimination, so that as more and more people become cleared, we focus scum hunting on the remaining ones only.

I honestly don't see anything wrong with mass claiming partners. I say do it.

TheMidnightRift

The biggest mistake with that idea is saying there isn't the possibility of townie being partnered with a mafioso.
Trust me, its not that rare

Silent K

I think it's unlikely that townies are partnered with mafia/third party, and it would be really strange if a townie is alone if that is the case.
Also, it would clear the partner if a townie dies.

I think we should do it. There's no way to lie, someone's going to be alone and if someone lies we'd know straight away if he gets counterclaimed from two sides

TheMidnightRift

It isn't highly unlikely, at all.
In fact, in a game where there are more than 1 Neighbourhood group, its unlikely not to have partnerships like that.

Silent K

That doesn't make a pair with only one townie impossible, true, and we should be careful in using the information if we do it.

kmohyudin

@TheMidnightRift:

The biggest mistake with that idea is saying there isn't the possibility of townie being partnered with a mafioso.
Trust me, its not that rare

Doesn't matter, mass claiming would still help confirming or denying this scenario. If we have townie partnered with mafia, we could just ignore this then. If not, this would help immensely. I still think its worth a shot.

What I don't understand is, how would mass claiming partners damage our situation? We could only be better off then we are now.

TheMidnightRift

I don't see the point, and I don't like the idea, I think it won't change anything for good nor bad, but that there's a possibility that it will just confuse us.
Personally, I vote no

kmohyudin

@TheMidnightRift:

I don't see the point, and I don't like the idea, I think it won't change anything for good nor bad, but that there's a possibility that it will just confuse us.
Personally, I vote no

In other words, you don't have a reason, just a baseless opinion right?

Maki707

@vorlianis:

Is your accusation answered by this maki?

No.
You announced that you would only do it if it was following the crowd
@Elisabeth:

:) it's okay.
Now, isn't revealing your partner the best way to figure out who is being alone, ergo suspicious ?

The problem is the mafia can just claim each-other as partners and 3 townies may all be in the same group.
Also yes mafia can easily be partnered with a townie

..So it seems like at least most people do have a partner after all.

[hide]@Mastello:

I'm with laserbeak on this one. If the mayor just the follows the game enough he should know who to shoot without us telling him that.

Agrees with laserbeak about not allowing the town to choose the target the mayor should kill.
'He should just know who to shoot if he follows the game' ? :/

@Mastello:

Hmm yeah, that might indeed work better in case we're unsure if the mayor is really town.

One Harvady post later he completely changes his stance.
@Mastello:

Whoa, slow down. I for one ain't gonna agree with voting Heart right away. I may vote her, but I think now is way too early.

@Mastello:

Also Nectar, I don't know what you're thinking but lynching Bogart at this point doesn't seem too smart to me, everybody hasn't even checked in yet.

@Mastello:

But again, what's with the hurry? laser, I'm talking to you. Seems a bit suspicious to me.

3 times he told people they should'nt be talking about stuff because it is too early. He seems to be trying to shove suspicion on people for little to no reason

Also why twice mention he has a partner? Seems forced.
He suspected Laserbeak when Laserbeak basically repeated the same point Mastello earlier agreed with. He said it was because laserbeak is being 'in a hurry'.In the same post that he agreed to vote Eli as mayor. A complete turnaround from it being too early. Basically because the town decided to and he simply followed along?

@Mastello:

Shuhan, you seem awfully loud against our best players when all they've done is bring up good points.

Hiding behind the 'best players'?
Suspected Shuhan because he questioned the 'best players'. Did'nt mention exactly what questions Shuhan brought up that makes him suspicious.
Did Shuhan hit the mark with one of them? [/hide]

Mastello

@TheMidnightRift:

The biggest mistake with that idea is saying there isn't the possibility of townie being partnered with a mafioso.
Trust me, its not that rare

Well I know my partner is townie.

Unless Kitsune is screwing me over really hard, which I find very hard to believe.

TheMidnightRift

@kmohyudin:

In other words, you don't have a reason, just a baseless opinion right?

I don't have any partners

Mr M

maki brings up some hard points , lets see how mas defends

Mr M

@TheMidnightRift:

I don't have any partners

and this is why i didnt want to claim partners

kmohyudin

@TheMidnightRift:

I don't have any partners

Wow, that's… interesting. Now,

Anyone else claiming not having partner?

kmohyudin

@metteminne:

and this is why i didnt want to claim partners

Is that a not having partner soft claim?

TheMidnightRift

Get a clue, kmohyudin

Mr M

no , just of my ; cops and such wont have partners thoughts

which i know is based on nothing

TheMidnightRift

I'd like no one else from this point forward to claim partnerships or lack of partnerships in this forum, if you don't mind

Mastello

@Maki707:

3 times he told people they should'nt be talking about stuff because it is too early. He seems to be trying to shove suspicion on people for little to no reason

Simply scumhunting, and if they would be mafia it'd be natural for them to try get things done as soon as possible. Myself I'd like to hear every player's thoughts.

I somewhat agree with your other points though, I haven't exactly been the most articulate nor the smartest player here.

Maki707

Was not expecting that kind of response at all.
….
Okay, have you found anyone you suspect then?

Mastello

Well honestly, right now the person I suspect most is TheMidnightRift. Mostly for his eagerness to quit the partnership discussion (though I very well realise not everyone may have a partner after all) as well as this post:

@TheMidnightRift:

Alright, even if Shushu went against me, I think he's method of creating discussion is fine

If Kitsune appeared out of nowhere and said I must choose one person to kill right here right now, and I don't choose, I die, I'd think between:

Maki707, for relatively fluff content, as well as that weird discussion about the setup, in which he says a theory with no bases aside from a code, and once Kmohyudin suggests another theory with exactly the same bases, he gently asks for reasoning, that annoyed me, for some reason. Also, obviously, the Vote Lynch on me at the beginning of the day, although that can also be a Townie Tell.

Kmohyudin, for relatively fluff content

Vorlianis, for repeating content and asking questions that I find useless, I suspected him of this in the last game I played, and he was also Mafia there.

Strange reasonings on people I myself don't find very suspicious at the moment. I know though that I may be completely wrong here. (as TMR probably soon points out…)

vorlianis

@Maki707:

No.
You announced that you would only do it if it was following the crowd

Correction Raaize asked for unanimity on the voting system so he basically asked people to follow the crowd, i never said i would be agreeing with the decision.

TheMidnightRift

Its either agreeing with that decision or risk giving the gun to Mafia and have it shoot whatever they want

vorlianis

@TheMidnightRift:

Its either agreeing with that decision or risk giving the gun to Mafia and have it shoot whatever they want

Yes i know the following that i will say has already been said but just as in response to your statement.

I just fear that Elisabeth is being mafia and the mafia is exploiting the "new person weakness" in order to double up.

Then again if we tell her to kill a specific person and she doesn't do that i think that would be an obvious scumtell.

TheMidnightRift

What is there to exploit?

Elisabeth kills Nectar
"What the hell? We told you to kill Vorlianis"
"Oh, I'm sorry, I am inexperienced, I didn't know what to d-"
Elisabeth is lynched, flips Mafia

Mr M

yeah we are pretty much save with that

we only now have to decide who to kill with the gun

TheMidnightRift

We can all pretty much send the PM's for Elisabeth to be the Mayor at this point.
Now, who shall she kill?

Lynch Vote:

Voting No One - 21 (Bogart, Elisabeth Heart, Flaming-Spirit Luffy, Harvady Alumnus, Kinalara, kmohyudin, laserbeak, MagiciteKefka, Malice, Mastello, mettemine, Mr. Hanabero, Pkbaldy, Shuhan1288, Silent Klaubatermann, Sky, SomebodyUDon'tKnow, TheMidnightRift, Vepe, vorlianis, Wooden_Giraffe)

Bogart - 1 (Nectar)

Mastello - 1 (Maki707)

Majority is 12

Mr M

how much time do we have left?

TheMidnightRift

About one day and a half

Mr M

ok then i will reread this thread later to be sure and to see who to kill with the gun

MagiciteKefka

We're deciding on Elisabeth being the mayor?

Any specific reasons why?

TheMidnightRift

Not really, it really doesn't matter, all it matters is that everyone PM's Elisabeth has the Mayor.
And she'l kill whoever the majority decides to kill.

Which is…

TheMidnightRift

I still suspect Maki707 more than anyone else in this thread, BTW.

Nectar, I know you're reading, I'd like reasoning on Bogart

Maki707

@TheMidnightRift:

We can all pretty much send the PM's for Elisabeth to be the Mayor at this point.
Now, who shall she kill?

@TheMidnightRift:

And she'l kill whoever the majority decides to kill.

Which is…

Who do you think it should be?

MagiciteKefka

Just wondering, since i can't find anything about it in the first thread, are we PMing Kitsune about who we will vote for mayor?

Nectar

I unvoted Bogart and support Heart as Mayor, Midnight.

@Wooden_Giraffe:

That game was short and more of a test then anything. I honestly don't view any of what was said there as anything to base stuff off of. The game obviously wasn't taken that seriously. And even if you do view it as something to be referenced, Bogart was acting the exact same way he is now.

Bogart is your partner, isn't he? If he or you are shown to be Mafia, the other is done. And after reading his posts in Mafia 5.1, I'm even more convinced he's scum.

@TheMidnightRift:

I think this method needs overcomplication, Kitsune made this concept for a reason, a Mafia or a Cult can use this to their advantage, this is the easiest way to get apparent unanimity.
BTW, why Bogart? Looked around your last posts, still haven't much reasoning to come by, I don't really care, someone gotta get lynched, but I'm honestly curious.

I don't agree with over-complicating things. Another reason why we always fight.

Why Bogart? Here. Five? Five people to ensure the Mayor Vote? Yet, he doesn't understand the game. He's stating opinions then staying he doesn't understand to cover his tracks.

Bogart didn't say a thing that was useful in that long post. He is full of Mafia hot air. Read his Mafia 5.1 Game posts. They have substance. Worth. But, this? Pffff! You are so dead!

@metteminne:

i just had a bad feeling about them , no need to lynch me for that

ofcourse if i see how mid is acting now , he does seems completly like a townie , but the others for me do still seem like they could be mafia

i also never said they were my top suspects

He's a townie, for what? Keeping score? Ugh!

@kmohyudin:

I concur, if everyone has partners, mass revealing cannot hurt anyone. This would also help to clear anyone who is killed by mafia/ third party at night. Also like you said, the lone one could be a start to get our suspicions going.

I love mass claiming but we should save it for Day 2.

@TheMidnightRift:

I don't have any partners

Oh, momma. This is some good info, lie or not.

@Mastello:

Simply scumhunting, and if they would be mafia it'd be natural for them to try get things done as soon as possible. Myself I'd like to hear every player's thoughts.

I somewhat agree with your other points though, I haven't exactly been the most articulate nor the smartest player here.

That's a poor reason. I'm voting for Bogart or Mastello. Just in case you think I'm busing you, I had you as a high suspect before anyone else pointed it out. But, I was gonna focus on Bogart.

Read Mastello's posts, Townies. Is he trying to come up with ideas or just sucking up and adding nothing?

Mr M

he made the plan about the unofficial voting no?or am i mistaking? i dont see why a mafia would do that cause it helps the townies a lot

kmohyudin

@Wooden_Giraffe:

That game was short and more of a test then anything. I honestly don't view any of what was said there as anything to base stuff off of. The game obviously wasn't taken that seriously.

You are just pissed cuz your streak broke >:(

MagiciteKefka

Could someone answer my question i asked? :getlost:

Shall i PM Kitsune about who to town vote, or just post it here?

Vepe

I think that it would be wise to reveal partners, because if someone turns out to be a mafia, then it would be easy to check if his/her partner is a mafia too. So I think that the ones avoiding partner-claiming are mafia. Though I don't have any better proof. Just my thoughts.

Kitsune Inferno

**GUYS! PM your votes for Mayor Vote to me!

There's a link in the opening post to the Day Change post which shows all the details.**