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**Maybe someone strong came and helped Akainu out. Maybe multiple people came and helped Akainu out.
Maybe Marco wasn't looking for a fight, and was just trying to stall Akainu long enough for Jimbei to run far enough with Luffy.
Perhaps one of his crew needed his help.
There are a myriad of possibilities.**
lol, now you're just being a Derp
Oda clearly shown Akainu as the guy who passed through all of them, the only
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Or he's just incompetent as usual.
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lol, now you're just being a Derp
Oda clearly shown Akainu as the guy who passed through all of them, the only
Marco was one of the victims or was too slow, which I doubt, there's really nothing to argue here**You're making things up. Fact of the matter is that Oda did not show Akainu going through Marco. Ever.
In fact, if you read the chapters carefully you'll notice that it's probably Marco that got away from Akainu, not Akainu that made it through Marco. We know this because in the spread where Akainu faces the commanders, Marco is apparently by the water near the ships. Meaning, that more than likely, Marco stalled Akainu long enough for Jimbei to run and then fled to the ship to try and get away.**
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**You're making things up. Fact of the matter is that Oda did not show Akainu going through Marco. Ever.
In fact, if you read the chapters carefully you'll notice that it's probably Marco that got away from Akainu, not Akainu that made it through Marco. We know this because in the spread where Akainu faces the commanders, Marco is apparently by the water near the ships. Meaning, that more than likely, Marco stalled Akainu long enough for Jimbei to run and then fled to the ship to try and get away.**
Look like everybody is forgetting that there was at least 10 Vice Admirals, all Haki-User.
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Look like everybody is forgetting that there was at least 10 Vice Admirals, all Haki-User.
Very true. Marco and Akainu were not the only people there even though they were the only people highlighted. This is a war, there are a lot of things going on and we can't assume we know what happened off-panel.
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Very true. Marco and Akainu were not the only people there even though they were the only people highlighted. This is a war, there are a lot of things going on and we can't assume we know what happened off-panel.
We gotta see a whole view of the Battlefield.
*New World Pirates Vs Most of Marines Soldier (From Esign class to rear admiral) + Most Vice Admirals + Giant Squad
*WhiteBeard Pirates Vs Marines soldier who are Moving with Admirals + Shichibukais
*WhiteBeard Top Commanders (Vista, Jozu, Marco) Vs Admirals + some Vice Admirals
*whitebeard Vs Marines + Admirals
*Luffy and ally Vs all Marines and shichibukaiIm not saying things randomly, this is all related to each Group Postion in the Battlefield and the whole Plot.
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Okay so that got way off-topic >_>. This seems to be what the discussion is about
@Polygon:Assuming the monster trio has surpassed Jimbei now, I can definitely see him joining.
Moria even said that there are plenty of pirates out there capable of being Schichbukai. Anyway, Jimbei is absolute fodder to any top-tier so it's nor far-fatched to think the monster trio has surpassed him.
Are Sanji and Zoro stronger than Jimbei now? Not that it matters IMO cause he ain't joining anyway but let's see.
Jimbei was shown to be better than Moria and to one-shot one of the zoan prison guards in Impel Down.
Have Sanji and Zoro have surpassed this? Hard to tell so far but I doubt it. Thier beating of the Px is'nt that impressive considering Hancock beat many of them in the war.
As Zkaiser said it is probaly too early for 3 members of the crew to surpass some of the warlords. Luffy sure, but not the other 2. Not yet.
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I don't know why we have to arguing about powerlevels NOW, especially in this thread? Two years passed, so we don't know almost anything about the power relations, except trivialities like
- admirals > iva, jinbei, etc, etc, (long list). //please don't post it anymore//
- Luffy is the strongest SH and the second and the third in this row is Zoro and Sanji.
- Luffy probably stronger than Jinbei, because the next arc.
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@Polygon (This is not personal, just a little bit of etiquette.)
Your font here is like yelling at a conference. Reading your posts I think this: Here is a guy who want some attention (or he just feels himself unique).
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Are Sanji and Zoro stronger than Jimbei now? Not that it matters IMO cause he ain't joining anyway but let's see.
Jimbei was shown to be better than Moria and to one-shot one of the zoan prison guards in Impel Down.
Have Sanji and Zoro have surpassed this? Hard to tell so far but I doubt it. Thier beating of the Px is'nt that impressiveDo you honestly believe that a PX isn't easily stronger than a demon guard? Luffy needed his entire crew to barely scrape out a win against a PX, and was treating the demon guards like garbage by the end of ID.
considering Hancock beat many of them in the war.
This is bad logic for multiple reasons. First, Hancock doesn't matter at all to this discussion, as there's no comparison to be made between her and Jinbei or Zoro/Sanji. Second, the pacifistas were programmed to treat her like an ally, making them very easy targets for her.
As Zkaiser said it is probaly too early for 3 members of the crew to surpass some of the warlords. Luffy sure, but not the other 2. Not yet.
However we won't truly know until the fishman Island arc.This can be argued with very simple math.
Luffy was surpassing warlords before the timeskip, and struggled mightily against a pacifista. Zoro and Sanji made very quick and easy work of one of those pacifistas after the timeskip, proving that they're stronger now than Luffy was then.
To say it's too early is to totally ignore the evidence.
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Okay so that got way off-topic >_>. This seems to be what the discussion is about
Are Sanji and Zoro stronger than Jimbei now? Not that it matters IMO cause he ain't joining anyway but let's see.
Jimbei was shown to be better than Moria and to one-shot one of the zoan prison guards in Impel Down.
Have Sanji and Zoro have surpassed this? Hard to tell so far but I doubt it. Thier beating of the Px is'nt that impressive considering Hancock beat many of them in the war.
As Zkaiser said it is probaly too early for 3 members of the crew to surpass some of the warlords. Luffy sure, but not the other 2. Not yet.
However we won't truly know until the fishman Island arc.You have got to be trolling. Seriously. Using the Hancock to out many PX in the war. Stop that. She was able to do so, only because they are programmed not to attack their allies, the Shichibukai.
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This can be argued with very simple math.
Luffy was surpassing warlords before the timeskip, and struggled mightily against a pacifista.
You're sure that your math included luffys physical state after the TB arc?
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You're sure that your math included luffys physical state after the TB arc?
Kuma healed Luffy at the end of the TB arc and gave Zoro all of Luffys pain and suffering so Luffy was physically perfect.
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You're sure that your math included Luffy's physical state after the TB arc?
The physical state of being perfectly fine?
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Then i wonder why he was so damn tired after using gear second against the first pacifista they've met.
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Then i wonder why he was so damn tired after using gear second against the first pacifista they've met.
You mean Gear 2nd and Gear 3rd in succession? He said at the start of the fight that he was going to go all out because he knew the Pacifista was strong. We also missed some of the fight, as the initial scene ended with them thinking it was defeated [[URL="http://www.mangafox.com/manga/one_piece/v52/c509/5.html"]Link], then it returned with Zoro already on the floor in pain. I doubt much happened, but something happened off-panel. [[URL="http://www.mangafox.com/manga/one_piece/v52/c510/9.html"]Link]
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You mean Gear 2nd and Gear 3rd in succession? He said at the start of the fight that he was going to go all out because he knew the Pacifista was strong. We also missed some of the fight, as the initial scene ended with them thinking it was defeated, then it returned with Zoro already on the floor in pain. I doubt much happened, but something happened off-panel. [[URL="http://www.mangafox.com/manga/one_piece/v52/c510/9.html"]Link]
Yet in the second part right at the beginning (your link) luffy doesn't even breathe hard. The way the whole thing was depicted, it seemed to me that the whole crew luffy too was still tired of the TB arc.
I mean that this seems like he used gear second a bit too much.
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Yet in the second part right at the beginning (your link) luffy doesn't even breathe hard. The way the whole thing was depicted, it seemed to me that the whole crew luffy too was still tired of the TB arc.
wow…really? http://www.mangafox.com/manga/one_piece/v50/c485/18.html
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@Kokutou:
wow…really? http://www.mangafox.com/manga/one_piece/v50/c485/18.html
Of course of course. Still it seems weird for a relaxed luffy being at 100% of strength to ask his crew for a time out after fighting the pacifista.
Or maybe i read too much into it.
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The way the whole thing was depicted, it seemed to me that the whole crew luffy too was still tired of the TB arc. I mean that this seems like he used gear second a bit too much.
He was tired from using Gear 3rd, but overall the idea is that he went "all out" from the start. Oda didn't do a very good job showing Luffy go all out to the point he was that tired, but he went from tip top shape to completely exhausted during that small fight. So, as it stands, the 'Monster Trio' have made drastic improvements, being able to OHKO Pacifista. Not just OHKO either, both Pacifista in the chapter 601 explode after they are taken down. PX-4, the one the crew tag-teamed, didn't explode even after all of their hits.
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Okay so that got way off-topic >_>. This seems to be what the discussion is about
Are Sanji and Zoro stronger than Jimbei now? Not that it matters IMO cause he ain't joining anyway but let's see.
Jimbei was shown to be better than Moria and to one-shot one of the zoan prison guards in Impel Down.
Have Sanji and Zoro have surpassed this? Hard to tell so far but I doubt it. Thier beating of the Px is'nt that impressive considering Hancock beat many of them in the war.
As Zkaiser said it is probaly too early for 3 members of the crew to surpass some of the warlords. Luffy sure, but not the other 2. Not yet.
However we won't truly know until the fishman Island arc.**Zoro and Sanji shold both easily be able to oneshot a demon guard by now, considering they can now oneshot a Pacifista which is many times stronger than any demon guard.
Why does Hancock beating multiple Pacifista suddenly making beating the Pacifista not very impressive? Hancock is obviously, very, very strong and for all we know still be stronger than Luffy post timeskip.**
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Everytime a Person joined the strawhats it was stated that they need someone with that specific "funktion":
Zoro: Swordsman (Right Hand)
Nami: Navigator
Lysop: Engineer (Sharp Shooter)
Sanji: Cook
Choper: Doctor
Franky: Shipwright
Brook: Musician (Often said by Luffy)
Robin: Ok exception (maybe pure hotness) but she is the background information source when the srawhats don`t know something, the walking "encyclopedia"What i
m trying to say is that i can
t really see what function Boa or Jinbei would have in the crew.
I mean Jinbei as a fishman fishing some fish is just wrong.Still i think a fishman would be awesome in the crew but Jinbei would be IMO too imba. I mean for him the new world wouldn`t be anything new.
An Amazon could be a good hunter but seeing Boa in the bushes hunting animals is somehow also wrong.I can`t see anyone of them really joining.
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Hancock is obviously, very, very strong and for all we know still be stronger than Luffy post timeskip.
How can you say that???:blink: (Put some evidence please!)
Before the TS I saw Boa took out some noname pirates/marines and bunch of PXs (put the case that "they" fight back) and she was able to stop Smoker.
I don't know how many PX can Luffy take out now (more than 1 that sure), but I think Luffy now can beat pre timeskip Smoker.So I don't know Luffy stronger or weaker than Boa now, and I don't see a clue about it after this 2 years.
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How can you say that???:blink: (Put some evidence please!)
Before the TS I saw Boa took out some noname pirates/marines and bunch of PXs (put the case that "they" fight back) and she was able to stop Smoker.
I don't know how many PX can Luffy take out now (more than 1 that sure), but I think Luffy now can beat pre timeskip Smoker.So I don't know Luffy stronger or weaker than Boa now, and I don't see a clue about it after this 2 years.
All I'm saying is that Boa has been hinted at being VERY strong and that there is a good chance she might still be above Luffy.
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Everytime a person joined it was stated that they needed someone with that specific "function"
No, they weren't. Luffy needed people in general, so he recruited Zoro rather forcefully. Nami was needed and acquired. Usopp's sharpshooting wasn't a need, has barely ever had any relevance, and wasn't even applicable until after he joined. Nor were any of his skills. Sanji and Chopper were needed and acquired. So of that list, three were needed and two were not.
Robin: Ok exception.
Once you establish an exception you break your pattern. Not that there was one, as certain positions are needed no matter how you look at it, but whatever you had you broke. Franky came next, and was needed. Brook is and was never really needed, but fulfilled an ongoing gag, so if anything he is another exception.
What i'm trying to say is that i can't really see what function [..] Jinbei would have in the crew. I mean Jinbei as a fishman fishing some fish is just wrong.
Hancock is more or less officially off the list of possible candidates, so that's irrelevant. Pretending 'position' matters, Jinbei could very easily fit the role of 'Helmsman', a position that has actually been listed in One Piece and isn't present on the ship at the moment. Jinbei has been seen handling the helm of a ship, for what it's worth. Again, not that it matters at all.
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Yeah helmsmen would work but this would be more like a fake job because franky can do that also as good if not even better.
No what i could believe for him is kinda an underwater navigator cause for that he would be perfect. but for that i need much more to know about the coating. Is the ship now always able to work underwater or is it just temporal? If that would be forever there could be a fine new job for a new crewmember. Meaning fishman.
But as I said IMO Jinbei wouldnt fit into the crew. maybe he sends a representative who sails with strawhats instead of him. Wouldn
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Yeah helmsmen would work but this would be more like a fake job because franky can do that also as good if not even better.
No what i could believe for him is kinda an underwater navigator cause for that he would be perfect. but for that i need much more to know about the coating. Is the ship now always able to work underwater or is it just temporal? If that would be forever there could be a fine new job for a new crewmember. Meaning fishman.
But as I said IMO Jinbei wouldnt fit into the crew. maybe he sends a representative who sails with strawhats instead of him. Wouldn
t that also fit the promise.**Franky is also a sort of musician, but that doesn't make Brook's job any more fake. Helmsman can still fit rather well.
Also, sure, Jimbei can send a representative but that seems rather far-fetched when you consider the history he has with both Luffy and Ace. It'd make a lot more sense if he himself went. Whether or not he joins though, is imo entirely dependent on if the monster trio has surpassed him.**
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All I'm saying is that Boa has been hinted at being VERY strong and that there is a good chance she might still be above Luffy.
They should be about the same level now, they both have trained Haki and incredibly Hax DF's
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They should be about the same level now, they both have trained Haki and incredibly Hax DF's
Luffy changed drastically, but I don't believe he is now able to One Hit KO Boa Hancock, for example, which is clearly far more powerful than what we are lead to think by its boring and harem-cliché personality**It's true that they are both trained in Haki, but Luffy only just got the basics down around 6 months ago, whereas Hancock apparently has years and years of experience using Haki. I think it's very likely she's still a good bit stronger than him.
Why do you think Luffy has a hax DF, though? His DF seems pretty weak in comparison to most, actually.**
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Once you establish an exception you break your pattern. Not that there was one, as certain positions are needed no matter how you look at it, but whatever you had you broke. Franky came next, and was needed. Brook is and was never really needed, but fulfilled an ongoing gag, so if anything he is another exception.
Yeah maybe i break the pattern but the statistics…
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Luffy changed drastically, but I don't believe he is now able to One Hit KO Boa Hancock, for example, which is clearly far more powerful than what we are lead to think by its boring and harem-cliché personality
This is something that bothered me a lot about Hancock being left behind now. We never saw what she could really do. We were told that she was strong, that she had haki, including Color of Conqueror, and she had a potentially interesting DF. We saw a lot of characters do small but impressive things in the war, but nothing of Hancock besides she beating fodder (even her defeating Pacifistas were off-panel). :getlost:
It's kinda like Ace. We're being told how powerful the character is, but we didn't see him doing anything particularly impressive. Well, at least she's still alive.
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This is something that bothered me a lot about Hancock being left behind now. We never saw what she could really do. We were told that she was strong, that she had haki, including Color of Conqueror, and she had a potentially interesting DF. We saw a lot of characters do small but impressive things in the war, but nothing of Hancock besides she beating fodder (even her defeating Pacifistas were off-panel). :getlost:
It's kinda like Ace. We're being told how powerful the character is, but we didn't see him doing anything particularly impressive. Well, at least she's still alive.
If anything, that probably gives more credence to the idea that she is really strong. Stronger folk are often time not shown fighting, or if they are shown fighting they are handicapped or we are only shown glimpses.
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Yeah maybe i break the pattern but the statistics…
25% of members were needed before they join? That's not a very powerful statistic.
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If anything, that probably gives more credence to the idea that she is really strong. Stronger folk are often time not shown fighting, or if they are shown fighting they are handicapped or we are only shown glimpses.
I'd like to see it, at least, not just be told. Jimbei and even Croc got a lot of cool scenes in the war.
And since she's being left behind in the story, while Croc and Jimbei are both waiting ahead, makes me think we won't actually see her doing much from now on.
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Alright then let
s try a different thing. Jinbei is too normal for the Strawhats. He doesn
t have the madness any other Strawhat has.
Ahh dammit never mind Robin breaks the pattern again.
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Alright then let
s try a different thing. Jinbei is too normal for the Strawhats. He doesn
t have the madness any other Strawhat has.
Ahh dammit never mind Robin breaks the pattern again.
Why is she in the crew again?Looking for patterns is dumb. Every Strawhat broke or changed an existing "pattern" when he/she joined.
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25% of members were needed before they join? That's not a very powerful statistic.
man do the math 4 out of 8 were needed so if anything 50%.
And you also could say that brook was needed to fulfill the gag.
But ok Brennen.exe has definitive a point.