See you said it yourself, Usopp is kinda useless they could more than get on without him, even more so than they could get on without Robin or Zoro.
Is Nami Taking On Too Much
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You know techancly they can get along with anyone else, but they choose not to. And I don't see how ANY of the strawhats are useless at all.
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Well Ussop is a coward, but he adds the humor so he's more important to the Manga it's self then the crew.
But uh, how did this become about Robin? =/
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Well Ussop is a coward, but he adds the humor so he's more important to the Manga it's self then the crew.
But uh, how did this become about Robin? =/
**How is usopp a coward? What would you do if a merman was trying to kill you? He in fact is the bravest in the show.
Bravery is not being scared, but facing your fears.**
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It doesn't really count when all you do is run away them make him go on fire, Sanji, Luffy, & Zoro are the true brave ones.
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It doesn't really count when all you do is run away them make him go on fire, Sanji, Luffy, & Zoro are the true brave ones.
that doesn't count? I don't know if you've ever had a real fight but, there is no such thing as unfair. Luffy, sanji and zoro are brave, but they are not scared to begin with so that's not being brave, just not being scared.
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Wow. Sorry, but sabre and Gozar, you guys are dangerously off. I think you guys've missed the point in quite a few parts.
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I kinda wish you guys read and paid attention to the story.
Were you talking to me? If so I don't see how I'm not…
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Wow. Sorry, but sabre and Gozar, you guys are dangerously off. I think you guys've missed the point in quite a few parts.
yes what i said about usopp was rather tongue in cheek i know without him they wouldn't be going anywhere i.e. boat repairs and the fact nami needed his tact in order to be alive today, but still, i was picking on him for his cowardiss and thought that anyone who's paid attention to the storyline would see that.
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yes what i said about usopp was rather tongue in cheek i know without him they wouldn't be going anywhere i.e. boat repairs and the fact nami needed his tact in order to be alive today, but still, i was picking on him for his cowardiss and thought that anyone who's paid attention to the storyline would see that.
Bucs right. What would a normal person do? I've already explained the true meaning of bravery, i don't see how he is a coward. If you can't see that you guys need to get wiser.
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I´m sorry to say it but everybody who thinks that being the only person in the world that can read the ancient text is not a big thing doesn´t have any idea of One Piece after all.
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Well, thing is, Usopp is a coward, though MUCH less of one now. It'd be one thing if he were still a village boy, but he's in a pirate crew now: he's dedicated his life. Turning away is a natural and logical thing, but until he performs the awesome deeds he performs, he's quite a coward. Yet, he's still one of the bravest, what with him not being formally trained or bullet proof like some crewmembers.
Thanks, Ivotas. I was thinking of Robin saving Luffy's life and gathering information in Jaya. I'd forgotten how extremely useful she was simply because of her ability to read the ancient text.
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Thanks, Ivotas. I was thinking of Robin saving Luffy's life and gathering information in Jaya. I'd forgotten how extremely useful she was simply because of her ability to read the ancient text.
Yep, the only other person in the OP world about whom we know who could read this texts was Gold Roger. I mean were talking about Gold Roger here. The character that owns them all. It´s not Helmeppo who reads the texts but the Pirate King himself!!! How awesome and useful is it to be the only one who has such an ability besides the now dead Pirate King? None of Luffy´s nakama had any of Roger´s skills. If that isn´t awesome and useful (since they are trying to find Rogers treasure) then maybe we are talking about two different One Piece stories here.
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Yep, the only other person in the OP world about whom we know who could read this texts was Gold Roger. I mean were talking about Gold Roger here. The character that owns them all. It´s not Helmeppo who reads the texts but the Pirate King himself!!! How awesome and useful is it to be the only one who has such an ability besides the now dead Pirate King? None of Luffy´s nakama had any of Roger´s skills. If that isn´t awesome and useful (since they are trying to find Rogers treasure) then maybe we are talking about two different One Piece stories here.
When was it said that Roger Himself could read the ancient text? just wondering…
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@Octogon:
When was it said that Roger Himself could read the ancient text? just wondering…
It´s a fair guess if we follow stephen´s scripts. What was written on the golden bell was written in the first person perspective which made Robin guess that he was the one who could read it.
If you follow the scanslations of course then it appears that Roger talks in plural form which could mean that someone translated it for him.And even if he himself couldn´t read, having a person among his nakama who could do it, seems to be very important, since he cares more about what he found out on the Porneglyph then for the gold he found. It was a very valuable skill for the first Pirate King and will be a very valuable skill for the next Pirate King.
Robin can do something nobody else can on this world. She is valuable, she just isn´t a main fighter but this isn´t DBZ after all. -
It´s a fair guess if we follow stephen´s scripts. What was written on the golden bell was written in the first person perspective which made Robin guess that he was the one who could read it.
If you follow the scanslations of course then it appears that Roger talks in plural form which could mean that someone translated it for him.And even if he himself couldn´t read, having a person among his nakama who could do it, seems to be very important, since he cares more about what he found out on the Porneglyph then for the gold he found. It was a very valuable skill for the first Pirate King and will be a very valuable skill for the next Pirate King.
Robin can do something nobody else can on this world. She is valuable, she just isn´t a main fighter but this isn´t DBZ after all.I always thought that it was Roger's nakama not roger himself.
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If it was Roger's nakama, then I bet everything that he/she is in someway related to Robin, most likely because they were both "Ohara."
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It´s a fair guess if we follow stephen´s scripts. What was written on the golden bell was written in the first person perspective which made Robin guess that he was the one who could read it.
If you follow the scanslations of course then it appears that Roger talks in plural form which could mean that someone translated it for him.And even if he himself couldn´t read, having a person among his nakama who could do it, seems to be very important, since he cares more about what he found out on the Porneglyph then for the gold he found. It was a very valuable skill for the first Pirate King and will be a very valuable skill for the next Pirate King.
Robin can do something nobody else can on this world. She is valuable, she just isn´t a main fighter but this isn´t DBZ after all.not knowing what's happened in the manga in regards to the poneglyph on skypiea i have to go with my original comments regarding robin, thus far she's been fairly useless, but as i said i'm sure with this water 7 arc she'll prove her worth.
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not knowing what's happened in the manga in regards to the poneglyph on skypiea i have to go with my original comments regarding robin, thus far she's been fairly useless, but as i said i'm sure with this water 7 arc she'll prove her worth.
Yep indeed the only person who seems to be able to track down information that helps the crew (as she prove more then one time in Jaya) is definitely useless while a swordsman that practically doesn´t contribute nothing to the crew itself is of more use. [sarcasm]So true and so much not biased[/sarcasm]
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Realy, this is such a foolish argument. They are not toeghther because of how useless or full thay are but because they are nakama. They all contribute in some way or another, so therefore they are all usefull in some aspect. If they did not meet or get any of there nakama when they did all or some of them would be dead.
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Agreed Octogon, that´s why I used Zoro in my example. If we step down to the level to see nakama as useful or not useful then we could do that with everybody, but somehow people just seem to have a problem with Robin because she isn´t loud and crazy as the others.
Anyways people actually never seem to be pleased. Usopp doesn´t fit because he is to weak and always scared, then we have Robin who is not weak nor cowardly, but now she doesn´t fit because she is to calm. But when we get to Franky then the people who don´t want to see him join think that he is too weird for the crew, but at the same instant they consider Robin too calm. Who actually fits the crew by that logic? Just Luffy, Zoro and Sanji because they are the main fighters? Is this DragonBallZ or what? :rolleyes:
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Agreed Octogon, that´s why I used Zoro in my example. If we step down to the level to see nakama as useful or not useful then we could do that with everybody, but somehow people just seem to have a problem with Robin because she isn´t loud and crazy as the others.
Anyways people actually never seem to be pleased. Usopp doesn´t fit because he is to weak and always scared, then we have Robin who is not weak nor cowardly, but now she doesn´t fit because she is to calm. But when we get to Franky then the people who don´t want to see him join think that he is too weird for the crew, but at the same instant they consider Robin too calm. Who actually fits the crew by that logic? Just Luffy, Zoro and Sanji because they are the main fighters? Is this DragonBallZ or what? :rolleyes:
True, not about fighting is this but friendship.
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Uh guys, we really should get back on the real topic at hand.
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I know, still OT, but who did Roger learn the ancient language from? Unless there's a Rosetta-Stone sort of thing somewhere, there's little if any way to figure out if you've learned it right, if nobody had a grasp of it.
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Ararara..chill….:P
I agree with Gozar about Robin being not useless,but umm..uneccessary as far as the crew is concerned. Plus she just doesn't fit in with the rest of them. She feels to awkward in the group. But Usopp being useless?!?!O_O!?
No way! I mean even if you ignore how brave he is to stand up to merman, MERMEN, and how he has no training or special powers and still wins battles against enemies that are crazy powerful, He does so many little odd jobs around the ship and basically patches it up. He painted the freakin' signia on the flag, Usopp has so many little skills that come in useful for helping out around the ship and creating new weapons that he is probably one of the MOST useful members of the crew!See you said it yourself, Usopp is kinda useless they could more than get on without him, even more so than they could get on without Robin or Zoro.
I already explained Usopp,but Zoro? Zoro does all the freakin' heavy lifting during fights! He helps ppl out more during battles than Luffy and takes on multiple enemies even at times! Zoro is really the 'warrior' of the crew, who is the go to guy during fights. Luffy is good for leading the charge and taking out the general,but Zoro does everything else, and even sometimes softens up the head hancho FOR Luffy!XD
Robin's usefulness is mostly just talk, I mean I hven't seen alot of instances where she was actively helping everyone out left and right like pretty much every other crewmember has at one time or another. There was atleast one time in the series when everyone's asses was saved thanks to Usopp,Luffy,Zoro,Nami,Chopper, abd Sanji. But Robin, it just hasn't happened with her yet. :sleep:
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There was atleast one time in the series when everyone's asses was saved thanks to Usopp,Luffy,Zoro,Nami,Chopper, abd Sanji. But Robin, it just hasn't happened with her yet.
She gave Luffy the antidote to poison that would have otherwise killed him, and the story would be over. :)
I still can't believe you guys don't see how important it is that she seems to have a close connection with all the elements that are necessary to find One Piece. Why do you think she's the only one that hasn't had her past totally revealed yet? Most likely because it will be a big spoiler about the history of D and One Piece and all that stuff. -
^i think they dont read or understand the story at all
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^i think they dont read or understand the story at all
Yep, I really think it can be said as that.
@ CosmicDebris: That was the second time she saved Luffy´s life, the first time it was at the gates of Rain Base when Crocodile impaled him. He would have been dead back then already if it wasn´t for her.
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Usopp would've died if Robin hadn't saved him. You know, when he was swimming in the clouds.
She also moved the injured ones in Skypiea to safety (and excavating at the same time, but oh well.)
Although in maintaining the ship she almost had no role (except in fillers) and showed incompetency (forgotting to anounce, "An island!" when keeping watch), she provides crucial knowledge that keeps the Merry going; had she not suggested the existence of Sky Island, they would've missed Skypiea.
Besides, it's handy (no pun intended) for Oda to have someone that knowledgeable. It's easier to give info to the audience.
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Although in maintaining the ship she almost had no role (except in fillers) and showed incompetency (forgotting to anounce, "An island!" when keeping watch), she provides crucial knowledge that keeps the Merry going; had she not suggested the existence of Sky Island, they would've missed Skypiea.
Yep that´s true as I said before. And she even found out about Crickett while the others got laughed at so it was two times her that made it even possible to go to Skypiea.
I really thinks it´s just personal dislike of the character that we are witnessing when it gets to discussions about Robin or Usopp or Chopper. People tend to have their own view what makes a Strawhat character and everybody that doesn´t go along that is labeled as unfitting. :rolleyes:
I have no problems with it if people have a different taste but it is primature when people try to back their statements up with objective arguments that somebody is "useless" while already every character has proven to be of use to the rest. That´s what bothers me.
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True, not about fighting is this but friendship.
and by that description is where i feel robin falls short, she doesn't interact with the crew properly as of yet hence why i said the water seven arc will make her, Ivotas actually said it once that up until now she's survived by not getting emotionally attached to anyone/anything and that shows in her interactions with the crew, she holds them at arms lengths, i'm merely one of the people who can't wait to see her embrace them properly which i feel is the point of this whole arc.
Yep that´s true as I said before. And she even found out about Crickett while the others got laughed at so it was two times her that made it even possible to go to Skypiea.
I really thinks it´s just personal dislike of the character that we are witnessing when it gets to discussions about Robin or Usopp or Chopper. People tend to have their own view what makes a Strawhat character and everybody that doesn´t go along that is labeled as unfitting. :rolleyes:
I have no problems with it if people have a different taste but it is primature when people try to back their statements up with objective arguments that somebody is "useless" while already every character has proven to be of use to the rest. That´s what bothers me.
Love or hate whoever you want guys, it´s up to you. But do that for what they are and not for what they not are because most of the reasons that are given are dead wrong and you know it.wow you really take character dislike personally don't ya :P (i'm pulling your leg btw)
anyway we know that the characters are important and we know that when we see robin integrate she'll be really important however in her current state she's more of an extra than a star and i think what everyone (who's shown complacancy towards robin in this thread) is saying that robins parts thus far didn't have to be played by permanant crew members they could've been done by extras, passers in the nights or even temporary crew members. none the less if you're really allowing people the freedom of choice of who they like then allow them to like them for their own reasons if they personally feel robin hasn't done enough for the crew on a day-to-day basis or overall who are you to tell them they're wrong? you offer them an alternative view, if they adopt it or not is up to the them, they shouldn't be a lesser person in your eyes because of it and if you're so sure that robins that great and that big a part of the crew, allow her to win them over with her arc in her own way as opposed to being bullied into it.
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Ivotas actually said it once that up until now she's survived by not getting emotionally attached to anyone/anything and that shows in her interactions with the crew, she holds them at arms lengths, i'm merely one of the people who can't wait to see her embrace them properly which i feel is the point of this whole arc.
Err, when did I say that?
wow you really take character dislike personally don't ya :P (i'm pulling your leg btw)
Yeah I do take it personally because in the most cases a character dislike follows exactly the outline I´ve just described and I have a general problem with such an attitude, not just in One Piece but also in real life. Experienced it often enough in real life that people get hated because other people have a wrong impression of them. If somebody has be problem with somebody because he is what and how he is then it is ok with me. But if people already dislike people because they just imagine character attributes without actually knowing whether they apply or not then I dislike that from the bottom of my soul.
It is like I said hate or love them for what they are and not for what you imagine that are. That´s utterly subjective and one of the things I hate most in real life. And though this is just a simple character discussion it is actually part of the same problem and I can´t stand it because it really is a problematic attitude that just causes trouble. -
i was pulling ya leg :happysad:
see the thing is with Usopp my thing away from the internet and in person i hate stupidity, and Usopp's cowardiss and humour often runs a fine line with stupidity, theirs alot of movies which i just cannot find a liking too because they use stupidity as humour and i personally think stupidity isn't funny.
I'm also not a fond fan of cawardiss, i understand that Usopp like most of us have to overcome our fears but we don't do it by running away like Usopp often does or screaming, we deal with it in the same way Chopper does, we tell ourselves we'll do our best, maybe shake and do all we can do.
In regards to Robin-chwan my problem with her is that she doesn't help out around the boat, when they're all drinking she's often in a corner being unsociable, now the funny thing is, i myself am a very quiet person, i seldom speak up in a group of people unless i've got something to say, i barely make noise unless it need be but i don't come across anti social in my methodology, when the groups are drinking i am, when they're laughing so am i when it's time to tell jokes i'm also right there, i personally don't appreciate the way she carries herself as of yet, however i'm coming round to her slowly even by watching old episodes she was featured in as Miss All-Sunday and Nico Robin, i feel she don't integrate properly and it's hard for her relationship with the crew to embody the word 'nakama' to the extent of the trials and tribunes they go through in the name of that word. but as i said i have faith in her to do better after this arc. and with Usopp i have faith that by the end of the story he'll be dealing with his fears more like Chopper at the very least.
As for the other thing i guess it wasn't you, i'll dig it up.
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Hey what I said wasn´t aimed at you. If you don´t like her for the reasons you´ve mentioned then that is ok. I just don´t like the general "she never did anything for useful" argument while we already know that it is not true.
True that she is like you described it, but that´s actually her character and it is refreshing for my taste to have a variety of characters then having a copy of the existing ones.
Besides, othern then for variety the other reason why she is like that and this we can see in this very recent Water 7/Enies Lobby arc. What´s happening in this arc fits better with her if she is characterized that way.
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I glanced through replies and I once again Robin's lack of crew interaction was pointed out which I very much disagree. If crew interaction means hitting and screaming to other members then she doesn't have much to offer (do people seriosly want her to do so?). But like I said, Robin's a mother figure. The crew is pretty much her kids. Watching her kids having fun is her joy, she help them out in their difficulties and she's ready to sacrifice herself for them - like a good mother.
My first most favourite crew interaction of Robin is with Chopper, it's just way too cute. The way she always try to explain stuff for the little Chopper and, for an example, how Robin gave away her candyfloss to him. It's truly like a mother-son relationship, Robin become warm around Chopper and Chopper become a child-like around her (he never had time to be a real kid which he real is). Another my favourite is with Zoro, there's electricity between them (hence the Zoro-Robin pairing is popular). Or her coffee routine with Sanji, or how she always gets puzzled and surprised by Longnose's act, or how she frighten Nami with her down-to-earth comments (I loved the "there would be blood on the surface already") and so on. But the most interesting is her relationship with Luffy, like there would be some kind of special understanding between them.
Ah, listing is boring but you get what I mean: Robin has plenty of crew interaction! She just doesn't act hyperactive and that's only a good thing. Robin really isn't my top favourite crew member but I think she has important role to fill and without her the story would be less fun. Besides, Luffy really doesn't need more than a navigator. The others are just luxury but still far from useless.
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turns out it was ein's post, post 17 in
i admit it is refreshing to have diversity on the ship i mean 9/10 Zoro is nowhere to be seen in the merriments unless it's real celebratory drinking so i understand that she can't be a carbon copy, however to my memory i can't even remember celebratorily drinking with the crew (though i know she has done) and that's a bad thing in my opinion. but again i hail Water 7 for her to embrace them and stop being scared and feeling like she'll have to run away.
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OK, so Robin saved Luffy, well when Buggy was about to chop Luffy's head off the lightning saved him, so that means…...Lightning=Robin in importance :P
Ya know, ok she helped Luffy out but how has she contributed to being on the team? What has she done to help the team? I mean why couldn't chopper just help out Luffy in those sickness parts?
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OK, so Robin saved Luffy, well when Buggy was about to chop Luffy's head off the lightning saved him, so that means…...Lightning=Robin in importance :P
Ya know, ok she helped Luffy out but how has she contributed to being on the team? What has she done to help the team? I mean why couldn't chopper just help out Luffy in those sickness parts?
Well without Nico Robin Usopp would have died in Skypiea when he jumped in the water
If she didn't use her powers to see where Usopp was he couldn't be saved from falling off and dying
She's also the one that gave the strawhats the information about Maron Cricket
She is also the only person known alive to read Poneglyphs and so deciphering the "True History" so I think Nico Robin plays a very important part in One Piece
And to finish she's the wisest of the crew
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What has she done to help the team? I mean why couldn't chopper just help out Luffy in those sickness parts?
sigh :banghead:
Let's approach the question by making a question. What has Chopper done for the team that somebody else couldn't had? Nada. They haven't ever been in a crave need of medicine since Chopper joined, having a doctor on the board has been just a luxury and all the wounds they had could had been attended by any avarage doctor. But is Chopper useless?
Again, Robin knows all, she has vast experience and she gathers and finds about stuff nobody else knows about. And more importantly, only she can read an ancient tongue that nobody else can't, and that tongue plays a major part in the story of One Piece. Without her Nami would had just thought that her "Pose" is just broken. Without her they wouldn't had found about Skypiea or exposed it's secrets. Without her they and us, readers, wouldn't had find out the message Roger had left behind. Without her we wound't even know such a minor thing that there's a masked carneval going on :rolleyes:.
Edit. Darkariel beated me…
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There is no 'useless' member of Luffy's crew. Even Chopper and Robin have important purposes. As far as Chopper goes, of course they wont have sickness before he joins. If they did they may have trouble in the manga. Although he is a luxury character as far as being a doctor (a luxury, yet necessary at some points), he is also a good adition of back-up muscle to the team, even though he isn't as strong as Luffy, Sanji, Robin, or Zoro. If they had sick crew members before Drum Arc they would have had to bring in Chopper earlier, and Oda didn't want to. Now that Chopper has joined, he has been able to treat injuries and sicknesses properly among the strawhats, and tries to keep injured members from doing stupid things.
Robin, not only is important to have to read the Ancient history, but is also a good addition of strength to the team, and is very important to the development of the plot. Especially since Water 7 Arc. She forces the Straw Hats into getting involved with the military and Pluton. If the strawhats wern't accused for being the assasins, they might have not even gotten involved in the first place.
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Well without Nico Robin Usopp would have died in Skypiea when he jumped in the water
If she didn't use her powers to see where Usopp was he couldn't be saved from falling off and dying
She's also the one that gave the strawhats the information about Maron Cricket
She is also the only person known alive to read Poneglyphs and so deciphering the "True History" so I think Nico Robin plays a very important part in One Piece
And to finish she's the wisest of the crew
Well out of that list, 1 of those things are useful, saving Ussop, well since he's more of a Comic Relife, he isn;t super important
So she's helped them out, but I haven't seen her contribute to things they could not have done on their own. Robin is not useless, but she just is too quiet, it's like she doesn't even wanna be involved with them, sure she can decode stuff, but planning for a Futuristic event is well, not a definite thing.
Also, lemme ask, am I currently character bashing? Cause I don't wanna get in trouble?
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No, you're not bashing, at least in my books. Maybe a bit stubborn though…
but I haven't seen her contribute to things they could not have done on their own.
I don't know whether you just skip most of my replies but say a crew member who has done something that couldn't had done by somebody else. I'm sure everybody can sleep all day long as Zoro do.
but she just is too quiet
The day Robin began her job as a society queen she will lose some of her character. Once again, Zoro either doesn't talk much. Is it because Robin's a female that this isn't regard as cool behavior?
it's like she doesn't even wanna be involved with them
I see you don't read the comic. Perhaps she has a really good reason for this, like not wanting them to get killed because of her background.
sure she can decode stuff, but planning for a Futuristic event is well, not a definite thing.
And Luffy isn't Pirate King and yet this is used as a reason for voting Luffy in the character tournament.
Oh yeah, Usopp is not a comic relief.
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OK, so Robin saved Luffy, well when Buggy was about to chop Luffy's head off the lightning saved him, so that means…...Lightning=Robin in importance :P
First of all what are you trying to say here anyways. If saving Luffy´s life two times isn´t necessary then I ask you what do Zoro, Nami, Usopp, Sanji and Chopper do that makes appear saving the protagonists life useless.
No really, you constantly call it useless and bring up this stupid lightning comparison that among the fandom is also rumored to be a caused by Dragon (probably another useless character in you book) so I would really like to hear what you consider usefull then. I mean if there´s a Ying then there must be a Yang. And if useless is the Ying then I would really like to hear your theory about why the other´s are usefull (Yang).
Ya know, ok she helped Luffy out but how has she contributed to being on the team? What has she done to help the team? I mean why couldn't chopper just help out Luffy in those sickness parts?
Did you ever read the responses people gave to you or do you just like to fuck us up by asking this question again and again. It already has been said a couple of times what she has done why should we constantly repeat it for you? Read what has been said as direct response to you for christs sake and don´t pull another Don Krieg at us!
And I ask you, what have Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Usopp, Sanji and Chopper done to get the TEAM to Skypiea? Did they contribute the information that such a thing as sky islands exist which started it all? No!
Did they find information about who might know something about it? No, Luffy, Zoro and Nami even failed miserably.
When they all went to find the Southbird, did any of the other six do any constructive after all? No. Nico Robin catched the bird.Does that mean that all the others are useless? No, the team just works in that way that they always have one among them who is capable to help the others out. That´s the whole point. Do you expect Robin to take over and does all the work for the others too? Should she start cooking, creating medicine etc. so that you consider her usefull? If she would just be a copy of the others then the team wouldn´t need her and they would have never gotten to Skypiea the first place. They wouldn´t even know that it exists. But I´m sure that all not that important for you. :rolleyes:
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Well out of that list, 1 of those things are useful, saving Ussop, well since he's more of a Comic Relife, he isn;t super important
Do you wish to die? Do you even know that this place has a lot of devoted Usopp fans?
Usopp, not super-important? How do you define "important"? Without him, the whole atmosphere changes. Without him, some of the StrawHats would've died (Little Garden, for example). Without him, Nami stands no chance against Miss Doublefinger.
Usopp's loyalty to the crew and his devotion to his friends make him a true "nakama."
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sigh It never ends. :rolleyes: THERE IS NOBODY IN LUFFY'S CREW WHO IS NOT IMPORTANT. (yes, ph33r the caps, I'm shouting). Oda has a hard enough time writing a story with so many characters, he would prefer to not have to do that, but he created each character for important reasons. There are not worthless characters in the context of the story OR in the context of their role on the ship. If any member suddenly left, there would be a huge gaping hole. And that's exactly how it feels in Water 7 when Robin and Usopp are absent. And Yoska is right - Usopp is not comic relief. He's just as serious of a character as anyone else. Every character plays the role of comic relief from time to time
none the less if you're really allowing people the freedom of choice of who they like then allow them to like them for their own reasons if they personally feel robin hasn't done enough for the crew on a day-to-day basis or overall who are you to tell them they're wrong? you offer them an alternative view, if they adopt it or not is up to the them, they shouldn't be a lesser person in your eyes because of it and if you're so sure that robins that great and that big a part of the crew, allow her to win them over with her arc in her own way as opposed to being bullied into it.
Yes, we're such bullies. XD You WILL like Robin or we'll take your lunch money! I don't care if you don't like Robin, but it's simply false that she's been useless to the crew. Everyone has listed a myriad of reasons why she's important, but apparently you and Gozar just ignore them because you don't care about what's important in One Piece, only what's important to you personally.
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Cosmic, who made this statement you were quoting? I didn´t notice it.
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Oh, sorry, it was sabret00the.
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Nevermind, I just needed to know who I was talking too.
none the less if you're really allowing people the freedom of choice of who they like then allow them to like them for their own reasons if they personally feel robin hasn't done enough for the crew on a day-to-day basis or overall who are you to tell them they're wrong? you offer them an alternative view, if they adopt it or not is up to the them, they shouldn't be a lesser person in your eyes because of it and if you're so sure that robins that great and that big a part of the crew, allow her to win them over with her arc in her own way as opposed to being bullied into it.
Well sabret00the the problem here is not that I´m forcing my opinion on people I´m just defending somebody of false accusations. As I said everyone can feel free to like a character or not, but accusing something for what actually isn´t true isn´t right by my book. It´s the same as framing somebody to have done a criminal thing just because you don´t like his appearance.
And that´s what I´m trying to prove in this whole argument. I have no problems if Gozar doesn´t like Robin. Why should I. But saying that she didn´t do anything useful is wrong and that doesn´t have anything to do with my subjective opinion it just is like that because everybody can see that in Jaya the person who did the most constructive work was her. -
To sabret00the:
As soon as the Anime catches up with the manga, the better. There are some parts about Robin and Usopp that could change the opinions. The level of knowledge is different, and we can't really argue if one side refuses to acknowledge information from the other.
Though considering the fact that the Anime is adapted straight from the manga, the argument (or its variation) that, "My point stands solid cuz it hasn't appeared in the Anime" should really be questioned of its… logic. -
Nevermind, I just needed to know who I was talking too.
Well sabret00the the problem here is not that I´m forcing my opinion on people I´m just defending somebody of false accusations. As I said everyone can feel free to like a character or not, but accusing something for what actually isn´t true isn´t right by my book. It´s the same as framing somebody to have done a criminal thing just because you don´t like his appearance.
And that´s what I´m trying to prove in this whole argument. I have no problems if Gozar doesn´t like Robin. Why should I. But saying that she didn´t do anything useful is wrong and that doesn´t have anything to do with my subjective opinion it just is like that because everybody can see that in Jaya the person who did the most constructive work was her.woah everyone stop directing quotes at me, this is you all vs Gozar i'm just a bystander, i gave my legimate reasons on the last page and thought i got the seal of approval for my reasons of dislike.
PS. i hate the she can read ancient argument, but i think it will open up an awesome arc to eht story, like the reason why Whitebeard and Shanks aren't further ahead of Luffy, i mean ultimately it should take em atleast 8 years to catch up unlless theirs a gate that you need to read in order to progress down the grandline ;) who knows. as i said thuogh uselss would be the wrong word to use as it's an overstatement i personally had bandished such vocabulary in her lack of integration as broken down and explained in a mass more details previously within this very thread.
To sabret00the:
As soon as the Anime catches up with the manga, the better. There are some parts about Robin and Usopp that could change the opinions. The level of knowledge is different, and we can't really argue if one side refuses to acknowledge information from the other.
Though considering the fact that the Anime is adapted straight from the manga, the argument (or its variation) that, "My point stands solid cuz it hasn't appeared in the Anime" should really be questioned of its… logic.ahh another quote at me, i acknowledge the arc, i have said it over and over again, this arc will make me love robin, i don't see why we're not all drinking beer together waiting until that moments happens, Stella anyone?