@Tokoro:
I'm a bit confused on some of the timeframe on Teach, though, since one part shows he just joined the crew…and another shows he was on it for a long time.
What part was there that that showed Teach as having just joined the WB pirates?
@Tokoro:
I'm a bit confused on some of the timeframe on Teach, though, since one part shows he just joined the crew…and another shows he was on it for a long time.
What part was there that that showed Teach as having just joined the WB pirates?
@Fiasco.:
Yeah, unless there was some fight in the water during those five days it wasn't fair at all.
Saying that, I can't recall when Oda said every single shichibukai was on the same power level. Yeah they're supposed to be notorious and feared but that doesn't mean there is a single power group everyone is in.
I for one believe that Mihawk is the strongest shichibukai, I mean "the world's strongest swordsmen" says alot, there are probably monsters of swordsmen in the new world, but Mihawk is a monster of monsters like it's been said. Mihawk isn't that overrated.
I agree. There are bound to be other Shichibukai with strength levels that could rival that of Mihawk. The Shichibukai as a whole are equal to the Marine HQ in terms of power.
Those shake lines are because of the earthquake WB caused.
But you're right:
Fact is that Moria and Doflamingo (especially Moria) don't feel all so well with this situation (just look at their faces).
The admirals as well as Kuma and Mihawk look rather calm in comparison to Moria and Doflamingo.
What are you talking about we didnt even see Doflamingo"s face, as far as I know Donflamingo looked happy for joining the war.
People seems to get the wrong mindset about devil fruits. Don't forget that no matter how strong devil fruit users are, They still got an absolute weakness : the sea.
The sea = hell for any DF pirates. Whitebeard not having a DF will also be overpowered in its own way, for he get MUCH larger space, MUCH better movement and great advantages against DF users in any sea battles.
it's actually kinda irony for Whitebeard because his power is like a double-edged sword. We still haven't know how whitebeard will stay away from his own Aqua Laguna…
Those shake lines are because of the earthquake WB caused.
But you're right:
Fact is that Moria and Doflamingo (especially Moria) don't feel all so well with this situation (just look at their faces).
The admirals as well as Kuma and Mihawk look rather calm in comparison to Moria and Doflamingo.
No not at all, they're just being themselves. Moria's making one of his ugly faces, Flmingo and Hancock are looking around because the earthquake obviously caught them by suprise. That in no way means they are afraid.
Why are we arguing about them being afraid though?
What part was there that that showed Teach as having just joined the WB pirates?
There is not such a part.
In the flashback you see BB only one time, when he talks to Ace about the 2nd commander issue. This was the time, I think, a little bit before BB killed Thatch.
You don't see BB two times in the whole flashback.
Did I hear that right there’s a chapter next week put not the week after that?
@Fiasco.:
But who said Mihawk was stronger than Moria? This is the problem, assuming instead of estimating.
Ok. Mihawk is the strongest swordsman in the world.
Moria lost to Luffy and his crew while having over 1000 zombies at his disposal and an incredibly strong giant zombie.
So yeah, I think it's safe to assume Mihawk is stronger than Moria.
@kuma:
Did I hear that right there’s a chapter next week put not the week after that?
yea suposedly its a double issue or was this chapter the double issue
anyway its the same for naruto and i think for bleach as well
it's actually kinda irony for Whitebeard because his power is like a double-edged sword. We still haven't know how whitebeard will stay away from his own Aqua Laguna…
The guy can split the clouds. Pretty sure he can split his own tidal wave. Also he's got coated ships. He's covered.. while the marines aren't.
Everybody is afraid, but they have to deal with it.
Ok. Mihawk is the strongest swordsman in the world.
Moria lost to Luffy and his crew while having over 1000 zombies at his disposal and an incredibly strong giant zombie.
So yeah, I think it's safe to assume Mihawk is stronger than Moria.
Don't forget to mention the once-in-a-life-time-power up.
@Fiasco.:
No not at all, they're just being themselves. Moria's making one of his ugly faces, Flmingo and Hancock are looking around because the earthquake obviously caught them by suprise. That in no way means they are afraid.
Why are we arguing about them being afraid though?
Well, the discussion came up that the Shichibukai-level is far underneath Yonkou-level.
It could be one of Moria's ugly "WTF"-faces, you're right.
But in comparison to their faces in the last chaps, Moria and Doflamingo seem "unhappier" in this panel.
Also Doflamingo, who always grins with or without tongue, SEEMS scared or at least more serious than in the last chapter.
I could understand them: A tsunami is a nightmare for DF users.
Kuma and Mihawk have the same faces as in the last chaps, they're calm all the time. And Hancock tries to calm down her Boa.
And because of that we started to think that the 2 Shichi (or Nichi?) could be afraid of WB at the moment.
Also the discussion "strongest to weakest shichi - lineup" always goes on, you know?
@gigatech
Moria wanted to buy time with shadows asgard. He didn't absorb the shadows like Luffy. I think he could only do that because he is the kage kage no mi user. Otherwise Moria never managed to put 1000 shadows in his body. We'll also never know how many shadows Luffy could have put in his body since the forest victims only had 100 shadows.
Nevertheless I also think that Moria is one of the weaker Shichi. Its hard to compare all of 'em, since Oda's way of fights, it's important for the fighter to improvise in his fight and be creative to win. Just take Luffys second fight against Croc.
Mihawk doesn’t really look calm he’s got a confused look on his face.
Ok. Mihawk is the strongest swordsman in the world.
Moria lost to Luffy and his crew while having over 1000 zombies at his disposal and an incredibly strong giant zombie.
So yeah, I think it's safe to assume Mihawk is stronger than Moria.
Once again, assuming. The way Luffy beat Moria was like Zoro taking the giant black sword and beating Mihawk. So it's not safe to assume anything, my lord.
@kuma:
Mihawk doesn’t really look calm he’s got a confused look on his face.
You can't even see his or Flamingo's face.
@Zik:
Look closely
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There are lines around every shicihibukai indicating shaking. ALL OF YOU should keep in mind they are not shaking from fear but from the fact that a fucking tidal wave that yes would shake the ground, thus shaking them is about to consume them all
But it seems Moria and Flamingos head getting pushed back.
Edit: Further I never meant shaking from fear rather shaking from blast or earthquake.
The black mustache guy might be a division commander.
The black mustache guy might be a division commander.
Yeah I was thinking that too. He look’s an awful lot like Lafitte
People seems to get the wrong mindset about devil fruits. Don't forget that no matter how strong devil fruit users are, They still got an absolute weakness : the sea.
Speaking of which, isn't it kind of odd that Whitebeard, a man who considers everyone to be children of the sea, ended up eating a fruit that causes you to be hated by the sea?
at first I was disapointed that WB has a DF, but after last lines with Sengoku shout that he can destroy the world all by himself I accept that XD let's skip the small fries battle and go to WB vs Schichibukai and Admirals fight, come on Oda
Wow GREAT chapter. I just loved the flashbacks. Marco said they're hated all around the world but Whitebeard still called them 'sons'. And there is the iron rule, the punishment for killing a nakama but even so, Whitebeard still told Ace to let this go just for once and even Marco and Jozz surprised when he headed out. I'm sure they were aware of BB's strength by then.
Oh and i realise now. Ace was and is damn strong. Oda built this up slowly. Dueled with Jimbei for 5 days, invited in the Shichibukai, survived a duel vs Whitebeard and countless punishments for trying to take him down. He even made Doma surrender. But he fought with a wrong man, Teach. Damn how strong he could be?
In the top right panel with the division leaders, is that a Tigershark Fishman is see, or just an ugly person? Maybe a human crew with a fishman finally (That is relevant to the plot).
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Have we discussed about the possibility that Oda draws the reader's attention somewhere else now? I can't imagine how he would plan a whole war with so many forces in it. 1v1 matches? Sounds impossible
Where is doma mentioned ?
Have we discussed about the possibility that Oda draws the reader's attention somewhere else now? I can't imagine how he would plan a whole war with so many forces in it. 1v1 matches? Sounds impossible
well really he just needs to give glimps
like glimpes of how the shichibukai take out captains (leave 1 on 1 for later)
glimps of vice captains vs captains from new world
admirals with wb and crew can be shown on on one no problem
then fodder against fodder give us glimpes
so its possible to show the war
plus i think its meant to last for the rest of the year now
its surprising oda kept to his limit which is great cause it means it i don' have to wait too long before we see the crew properly again
@Fiasco.:
Once again, assuming. The way Luffy beat Moria was like Zoro taking the giant black sword and beating Mihawk. So it's not safe to assume anything, my lord.
Mihawk beat Zoro with a freakin' butter knife :/
It's not the same. Mihawk, being ridiculously powerful without a DF (I'm not saying he doesn't have one, but he owns without using one), does not wield a double-edged sword. You can't exploit his swordsman skills.
Moria, on the other hand, would be total crap without his zombies and shadows. When he goes into Asgard mode, he's also very unstable. It would go against all forms of logic for Oda to make Moria and Mihawk even close to being in the same tier.
@Fiasco.:
Once again, assuming. The way Luffy beat Moria was like Zoro taking the giant black sword and beating Mihawk. So it's not safe to assume anything, my lord.
Luffy got a power up.
Moria had 1000 soldiers, was on his own island, already weakened Luffy by stealing his shadow, had a legendary giant zombie to fight with him who was stronger than he himself was, and got a power up 10 times larger than the one Luffy got.
Yeah you're right, Luffy totally had the advantage.
Mihawk beat Zoro with a freakin' butter knife :/
It's not the same. Mihawk, being ridiculously powerful without a DF (I'm not saying he doesn't have one, but he owns without using one), does not wield a double-edged sword. You can't exploit his swordsman skills.Moria, on the other hand, would be total crap without his zombies and shadows. When he goes into Asgard mode, he's also very unstable. It would go against all forms of logic for Oda to make Moria and Mihawk even close to being in the same tier.
I'm pretty sure Moria could have owned Zoro back then too. What you just said porves nothing, the one and only time we've seen Mihawk fight was against Zoro back in the East Blue, while we've seen Moria fight Luffy & crew, and fight Luffy100xshadow, and Double gear Luffy, so really, coem on. That on top of the fact that the only reason Luffy survived was because the entire manga is based around him.
Thanks Emporio and Doflamingo!
Luffy got a power up.
Moria had 1000 soldiers, was on his own island, already weakened Luffy by stealing his shadow, had a legendary giant zombie to fight with him who was stronger than he himself was, and got a power up 10 times larger than the one Luffy got.
Yeah you're right, Luffy totally had the advantage.
Actually if I went into it I could prove that Luffy still had the advantage, but I don't need to. Because it still comes down to the fact that me and you both no there was no way he was going to lose to Moria, even if Moria had WB's damn shadow in Roger's body.
Wow GREAT chapter. I just loved the flashbacks. Marco said they're hated all around the world but Whitebeard still called them 'sons'. And there is the iron rule, the punishment for killing a nakama but even so, Whitebeard still told Ace to let this go just for once and even Marco and Jozz surprised when he headed out. I'm sure they were aware of BB's strength by then.
Oh and i realise now. Ace was and is damn strong. Oda built this up slowly. Dueled with Jimbei for 5 days, invited in the Shichibukai, survived a duel vs Whitebeard and countless punishments for trying to take him down. He even made Doma surrender. But he fought with a wrong man, Teach. Damn how strong he could be?
Yeah Ace is pretty hyped… Even Luffy didn't get a inivtation for Shichibukai or some other super-nova.
@Fiasco.:
Actually if I went into it I could prove that Luffy still had the advantage, but I don't need to. Because it still comes down to the fact that me and you both no there was no way he was going to lose to Moria, even if Moria had WB's damn shadow in Roger's body.
you don't need to go down that road cause then straight after the crew lost to kuma
the fact that ODA himself made him fight with luffy should be proof enough to you that moria wasn't at the same level as the strongest shichibukai
a crew of 9 took out him and his 1000 soldiers
as well as his special one
Moria is a piece of shit, no more discussion on this matter….
Have we discussed about the possibility that Oda draws the reader's attention somewhere else now?
The use of the narrator at the end of the chapter kind of makes me think that the scene might shift elsewhere, at least for the time being.
I wonder if WB invites any women aboard. He seems to only have sons.
He has nurses who probably can kick ass xD
Amazing chapter!! It was really surprising to see WB having a DF power too! The quake abilty is amazing though.. We'll see what happens now!! But either way, just as it says in the end, this will be a before/after point in the series, whoever wins. Can't wait to see what will happen and how will Luffy be after that!
@Fiasco.:
I'm pretty sure Moria could have owned Zoro back then too. What you just said porves nothing, the one and only time we've seen Mihawk fight was against Zoro back in the East Blue, while we've seen Moria fight Luffy & crew, and fight Luffy100xshadow, and Double gear Luffy, so really, coem on. That on top of the fact that the only reason Luffy survived was because the entire manga is based around him.
Difference in opinion then :/
Mihawk won without breaking a sweat. Moria got beaten. The way I see it, Oda set it up so that the reader would think that Mihawk is stronger.
Anyway, this is all speculation, so I won't argue further on a point that has no ground in the first place. We'll just have to wait and see how the war turns out.
Btw, so far, of the 7 Shichis, 1 has turned (Jimbei), 1 is a spy (the sexy one), 1 is carrying out some plan behind the WG's back (Mr. Robobear), 1 is honorable and may turn on the WG if things go against his way (Mihawk), and 1 is executing a scheme to become the PK (BB)
I think the way the Shichis act will determine the outcome of this war :/
you don't need to go down that road cause then straight after the crew lost to kuma
the fact that ODA himself made him fight with luffy should be proof enough to you that moria wasn't at the same level as the strongest shichibukai
a crew of 9 took out him and his 1000 soldiers
as well as his special one
The crew did not lose to Kuma, first time they were left there and the second time they were scattered. Wow big deal.
On the other hand if they lost to Moria they would all be dead. So yeah, there's a big difference, try to keep up.
And are you really trying to play a numbers game with One Piece, then come lets watch 1 take out 10,000, hmmm?
This chapter was by far the best one!Can't wait for the next one =D
@Fiasco.:
And are you really trying to play a numbers game with One Piece, then come lets watch 1 take out 10,000, hmmm?
Yeah # is bs in Oda-land. No matter what situation it is (could be 1 VS 100000000), you will never see a scrub take out a main character. Ever.
I wonder if one of the CP's is joining as well(there are 9 and I wonder if Oda still knows they there), or maybe Dragon or Shanks. I personally think this war is going to be short there will be no casualties, if so they wouldn't be on the Marines side. You could imagine what would happen if the marine fell.
@Fiasco.:
The crew did not lose to Kuma, first time they were left there and the second time they were scattered. Wow big deal.
On the other hand if they lost to Moria they would all be dead. So yeah, there's a big difference, try to keep up.
And are you really trying to play a numbers game with One Piece, then come lets watch 1 take out 10,000, hmmm?
so you call getting totally tired fighting a clone of kuma then up against the real thing sent flying as no big deal
i like your logic
@Fiasco.:
The crew did not lose to Kuma.
i think this is a very strange conclusion.
I saw kuma kicking everybodies asses - twice.
he decided not to kill them. right.
but apart from that he locked like a clear winner to me.