he've only heard about roger in logue town by an old man ..and he was really excited and interested , but it doesn't mean he have to tell every1 that his grandfather is Gol D Roger ,he didn't say Pirate king is cool ,he only says ,He's Cool ,or He's good ,or cool or something .. but i' personally think 80% Gol D Roger is related to Luffy ..
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Ao Kiji also said that Luffy's grandfather gave him a lot of trouble. For that to be true, whoever is Luffy's grandfather, it has to be one bad-ass pirate. Problem is Luffy got all startled when he heard that.. so one theory is that his grandfather is someone we don't know yet and someone Luffy is embarassed of.
Another theory, one I prefer, is that Ao Kiji is indeed referring to Gol D. Roger. Let's think about this.. that means Luffy got started b/c either he doesn't want anyone to find out (he wants to do it on his own accord, not as "grandson of"), or b/c he doesn't really know it himself (so he freaked out at the possibility). We know Gold Roger was caught by the marines, and likely Ao Kiji was there to capture him.. it is only natural that the top marines are needed to capture the top pirate. This would also explain why they both look alike, why they have the same mannerisms (laughing in the face of death), why a powerful guy like Dragon is looking out for Luffy (he probably was in Gol D. Roger's crew), even why a powerful pirate like Shanks was looking out for Luffy and gave him the opportunity to eat a Devil Fruit.
Still leaves some questions: who is Luffy's dad then, and is Blackbeard somehow related to him aswell?
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Maybe blackbeard is Luffy's uncle,but who is Luffy's dad? HOLY CRAP WAT IF BLACKBEARD WAS LUFFY'S FATHER AND HE DIDNT TELL LUFFY?? THEN GOL D. ROGER COULD BE BLACKBEARD'S DAD CAUSE WASNT IT LIKE 50 YEARS AGO THAT ROGER DIED? SO BLACKBEARD COULD HAV BEEN LIKE 4 OR SOMETHING AND THAT MEANS HE BE LIKE 54 OR AROUND THAT AGE. SO MAYBE GOL D ROGER IS BLACKBEARD'S SON AND BLACKBEARD BORNED ACE AND THEN WHILE ACE WAS 3 LUFFY WAS BORN AND BLACKBEARD LEFT THEM,SO ACE WILL BE TRYING TO KILL HIS FATHER!!!!!! :lol: crazy theory right there. This is how OP will end…..........Some major battle on the last island on the grandline between the strawhats and the blackbeard pirates and whitebeard pirates!And then blackbeard will say: Monkey D. Luffy, Portagas D. ACE.......... I AM YOUR FATHER!!!!!!!! Luffy & Ace:NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! :lol:
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Originally posted by AFRo D. LuFFy@Jun 25 2005, 01:12 AM
Maybe blackbeard is Luffy's uncle,but who is Luffy's dad? HOLY CRAP WAT IF BLACKBEARD WAS LUFFY'S FATHER AND HE DIDNT TELL LUFFY?? THEN GOL D. ROGER COULD BE BLACKBEARD'S DAD CAUSE WASNT IT LIKE 50 YEARS AGO THAT ROGER DIED? SO BLACKBEARD COULD HAV BEEN LIKE 4 OR SOMETHING AND THAT MEANS HE BE LIKE 54 OR AROUND THAT AGE. SO MAYBE GOL D ROGER IS BLACKBEARD'S SON AND BLACKBEARD BORNED ACE AND THEN WHILE ACE WAS 3 LUFFY WAS BORN AND BLACKBEARD LEFT THEM,SO ACE WILL BE TRYING TO KILL HIS FATHER!!!!!! :lol: crazy theory right there. This is how OP will end…..........Some major battle on the last island on the grandline between the strawhats and the blackbeard pirates and whitebeard pirates!And then blackbeard will say: Monkey D. Luffy, Portagas D. ACE.......... I AM YOUR FATHER!!!!!!!! Luffy & Ace:NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! :lol:
[snapback]76337[/snapback]You should check One Piece timeline before saying things like that
Gol D. roger didn't die 50 years ago he died 22 years ago
And Gol D. Roger wasn't captured by the marines he gave himself up so it can't be him Aokiji refered has Luffy's grandfather
If Gol D. Roger has captured why did he smile when they killed him ?
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Originally posted by Darkariel+Jun 25 2005, 12:06 PM–>QUOTE(Darkariel @ Jun 25 2005, 12:06 PM)
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i reckon that gold roger had the gomu gomu fruit as well an thats their connection, theres definitely a family connection there as well but the writes havent figured it out yet which is why they created so many possibilities
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almost definitley but maybe not dad
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i have a feeling that Gold.D Roger could be Luffy's grandfather, but its hard to believe that the ice guy from teh marines would be indept to him.. as the marines wanted him dead.
But the D does suggest a relation as its Monkey.D Luffy and Portagus.D Ace, the D mite in fact be they're last name or something.
But it would be weird for Gold D Roger to be his grandad, but there is a possiblity… what i wanna see is Luffy's dad or something, or Mother
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Originally posted by betus+Jun 25 2005, 02:58 AM–>QUOTE(betus @ Jun 25 2005, 02:58 AM) _> Originally posted by Darkariel@Jun 25 2005, 12:06 PM
**Maybe blackbeard is Luffy's uncle,but who is Luffy's dad? HOLY CRAP WAT IF BLACKBEARD WAS LUFFY'S FATHER AND HE DIDNT TELL LUFFY?? THEN GOL D. ROGER COULD BE BLACKBEARD'S DAD CAUSE WASNT IT LIKE 50 YEARS AGO THAT ROGER DIED? SO BLACKBEARD COULD HAV BEEN LIKE 4 OR SOMETHING AND THAT MEANS HE BE LIKE 54 OR AROUND THAT AGE. SO MAYBE GOL D ROGER IS BLACKBEARD'S SON AND BLACKBEARD BORNED ACE AND THEN WHILE ACE WAS 3 LUFFY WAS BORN AND BLACKBEARD LEFT THEM,SO ACE WILL BE TRYING TO KILL HIS FATHER!!!!!! :lol: crazy theory right there. This is how OP will end…..........Some major battle on the last island on the grandline between the strawhats and the blackbeard pirates and whitebeard pirates!And then blackbeard will say: Monkey D. Luffy, Portagas D. ACE.......... I AM YOUR FATHER!!!!!!!! Luffy & Ace:NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! :lol:
[snapback]76337[/snapback]You should check One Piece timeline before saying things like that
Gol D. roger didn't die 50 years ago he died 22 years ago
And Gol D. Roger wasn't captured by the marines he gave himself up so it can't be him Aokiji refered has Luffy's grandfather
If Gol D. Roger has captured why did he smile when they killed him ?
[snapback]76359[/snapback]**yeh man you are retarded if you think a jackass like blackbeard is related to luffy, i reckon gold d. roger is luffys father coz in the anime the old guy in luffys village talks about his being a famous pirate being his destiny and then in the town where gold roger was killed some1 makes a comment about how it must b something to do with the d. in their name
[snapback]76364[/snapback]I'm guessing your not talking to me right ?
Because it wasn't me how said BlackBeard could be related to Luffy
And Gol D. Roger being Luffy's father, just check the timeline Luffy has born 4 years after Gol D. Roger death, so he couldn't be Luffy's father could he?
And I don't think gol D. Roger ate any akuma no mi
But they all related by name but I don't think they're related by anything else expect they're all pirates (This referes to BlackBeard "Marshall D. Teach" , Portgas D. Ace and Monkey D. Luffy and also Gol D. Roger)_
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i wish that would happen though :P
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can somebody plz tell me who the hell is aokiji
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Someone brought up that maybe Gol D Roger IS luffy using a pseudonym, for all we know, One Piece could be a time machine and Luffy is the big man himself.
But that's pretty far fetched, even for Oda.
Personally, I'm more interested in shanks. We have a world of super humans of unfathomable power, and then we have some red headed guy with 1 arm who's as powerful as whitebeard who is the only one who could stand 1 v 1 vs Gol D Roger. I'm just curious to know where his power comes from and whatnot, probably one of my favorite characters that I know barely anything about.
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Originally posted by Darkariel@Jun 20 2005, 07:30 PM
**And who is Luffy's father then ???And i don't think so because every time Luffy heard Gol D. Roger he became all shinning
But when Aokiji refers his grandfather he just freaks out
If he has Gol D. Roger's grandson would he be proud to say to everyone ???
[snapback]73679[/snapback]**But Luffy isn't the kind of person who would brag. He has such a strong sense of adventure, so if he did mention to people that Gold Roger was his grandfather, his enemies might be afraid to challenge him(Supersition perhaps. Being haunted by the ghost of Gold Roger?), therefore making One Piece even easier to obtain. For Luffy, this would ruin the whole experience of being a pirate.
Also, if everyone knew that he was Roger's grandkid, he would never truly be the pirate king. Just Monkey D. Luffy, Sucsessor of Pirate Kind Gold Roger.
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Originally posted by Eskimo@Jun 28 2005, 10:53 PM
Personally, I'm more interested in shanks. We have a world of super humans of unfathomable power, and then we have some red headed guy with 1 arm who's as powerful as whitebeard who is the only one who could stand 1 v 1 vs Gol D Roger. I'm just curious to know where his power comes from and whatnot, probably one of my favorite characters that I know barely anything about.
[snapback]79595[/snapback]Same here.. how can he possibly be that strong while he doesn't even appear to have a DF power…
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Originally posted by jackvance+Jun 29 2005, 02:10 PM–>QUOTE(jackvance @ Jun 29 2005, 02:10 PM)
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I can only agree to a certain extent.. no matter how strong or fast you are, not much you can do against a DF power like Eneru or Ace has..
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Originally posted by jackvance@Jun 29 2005, 03:09 PM
I can only agree to a certain extent.. no matter how strong or fast you are, not much you can do against a DF power like Eneru or Ace has..
[snapback]79821[/snapback]The way how Viper took down Enel already proves that your statement is wrong. He was fast enough to approach Enel with a seastone. And then he owned him with a reject dial.
Viper was just sloppy to finish the job since he thought Enel is dead already. Kinda like Crocodile actually killed Luffy two times but was to arrogant to consider that the job wasn´t finished yet. -
The way I interpreted that was that he simply couldn't kill Eneru.. a seastone only takes away physical strength, not your DF power. The reject dial was supposed to be the ultimate killing dial, yet Eneru took a hit and didn't even suffer any after-effects when he got back up.
Also, remember the fight of Smoker vs Ace. Smoke vs Fire, and neither could win. But.. Smoker was carrying a stick with a seastone at the end. Why didn't he use it to take out Ace if he could? (my interpretation: he couldn't because Ace had already transformed)
Ofcourse even a kid can beat a logia.. tie a seastone to his body while he's sleeping and throw him in the ocean or something. I'm ofcourse talking about a fair fight where both parties try their best. (not like Nami vs Doublefingers where you wait for your opponent to try out all their moves while you do nothing) Under such circumstances.. you simply shouldn't be able to beat a Logia without a DF power of your own. (logia transforms when the battle starts and GG)
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But then again so many Shandians should have been dead thanks to Enel´s DF power and after Luffy defeated Enel they all stood up. So it´s practically the same thing as Enel standing up after being hit by the reject dial.
Point is if Zoro would have chopped Enels head after Vipers attack Enel would have been dead. And neither Zoro nor Viper have a DF power. A seastone counts as weapon as much as a DF power counts as a weapon for a DF user. It´s the only thing with what you can counter this power. And you need to be strong and powerful in order to use it. A seastone itself is not a certain victory. You must be fast and strong in order to position it properly on a DF user. Not everyone is capable of doing that.
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Originally posted by jackvance@Jun 30 2005, 01:25 PM
The way I interpreted that was that he simply couldn't kill Eneru.. a seastone only takes away physical strength, not your DF power. The reject dial was supposed to be the ultimate killing dial, yet Eneru took a hit and didn't even suffer any after-effects when he got back up.
[snapback]80243[/snapback]Eneru did take a hit and he 'was' dead for lyk a couple of seconds, but i think since he was electrical his heart did a jump start so he survived. Also the fact that Eneru is a freak, the fact taht the seastone waso only a small peice meant that he didnt lose all his powers so that woulda helped him survive.
We see the reject dials kill one of those priests i think.. but the guy died
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Originally posted by Slowymobile+Jun 30 2005, 11:58 AM–>QUOTE(Slowymobile @ Jun 30 2005, 11:58 AM)
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Originally posted by Ivotas@Jun 30 2005, 05:55 AM
But then again so many Shandians should have been dead thanks to Enel´s DF power and after Luffy defeated Enel they all stood up. So it´s practically the same thing as Enel standing up after being hit by the reject dial.Well that's the whole "no-one ever dies"-principle ofcourse. If people stay down, they can actually be considered dead. They just stand up afterwards for no other reason than Oda's refusal to let anyone die. (it's a strange thing in one piece, b/c people actually talk about others "being dead" under the conditions I explained)
Point is if Zoro would have chopped Enels head after Vipers attack Enel would have been dead.
How can you be so sure? Remember that no matter how much the sea drains your physical strength, your DF powers don't go away.. remember how in Arlong Park Luffy had his head stretched all the way above the ocean while his body was submerged. Eneru's body is actually electricity, and no matter how much drain his physical strength, this doesn't go away. (one piece is a bit ambiguous about this, you can defend both sides..)
And neither Zoro nor Viper have a DF power. A seastone counts as weapon as much as a DF power counts as a weapon for a DF user. It´s the only thing with what you can counter this power. And you need to be strong and powerful in order to use it. A seastone itself is not a certain victory. You must be fast and strong in order to position it properly on a DF user. Not everyone is capable of doing that.
[snapback]80439[/snapback]Ofcourse I agree, but you have to consider that most of the logia fights in one piece consist of the logia type user standing around and boasting. Imagine this scenario: Ace vs Shanks - the battle starts and Ace turns into fire and flies into the air (like he did in his battle with Smoker).. what is Shanks gonna do?
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Originally posted by jackvance@Jun 30 2005, 02:21 PM
Well that's the whole "no-one ever dies"-principle ofcourse. If people stay down, they can actually be considered dead. They just stand up afterwards for no other reason than Oda's refusal to let anyone die. (it's a strange thing in one piece, b/c people actually talk about others "being dead" under the conditions I explained)I think it has already been established that even outside of flashbacks people died in One Piece. Please don´t make me repeat something that has already been mentioned in numerous other threads.
How can you be so sure? Remember that no matter how much the sea drains your physical strength, your DF powers don't go away.. remember how in Arlong Park Luffy had his head stretched all the way above the ocean while his body was submerged. Eneru's body is actually electricity, and no matter how much drain his physical strength, this doesn't go away. (one piece is a bit ambiguous about this, you can defend both sides..)
The sole fact that Viper could actually GRAB him while he used the seastone is actually proof enough that Zoro could have chopped his head if he´d helt the seastone on him.
Other then that logia users are different from paramecia users. Paramecia´s are always what they are. Luffy is always a rubber man. Even if he doesn´t stretch his body is of rubber. Logia users on the other hand can have a normal body again when their weak spot is hit. Crocodile and Enel are the best examples for that.
Other then that, Luffy didn´t stretch by himself but through the help of Nojiko and Gen. As I said his body is rubber, but he couldn´t stretch it with his own power since he was under water.Ofcourse I agree, but you have to consider that most of the logia fights in one piece consist of the logia type user standing around and boasting. Imagine this scenario: Ace vs Shanks - the battle starts and Ace turns into fire and flies into the air (like he did in his battle with Smoker).. what is Shanks gonna do?
[snapback]80530[/snapback]Judging that Shanks is a great pirate as Zef once was one he´d probably do the same that Zef did to Pearls fire balls that threatened to burn his restaurant. If you are truly strong, I´m sure you can´t handle a powerful DF user. It just depends on your strenght and speed level aswell as on your fighting skill. :D
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Ace vs Shanks - the battle starts and Ace turns into fire and flies into the air (like he did in his battle with Smoker).. what is Shanks gonna do?
Get out his patented 4Kids brand water pistol :)
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Originally posted by Ivotas@Jun 30 2005, 08:43 AM
I think it has already been established that even outside of flashbacks people died in One Piece. Please don´t make me repeat something that has already been mentioned in numerous other threads.That's beside the point I made. People that should have died coming back to life happens constantly in one piece. Those few that maybe really died don't change that fact. The guy that hit Eneru with the reject should already have been dead from the electrocution he was put through by Eneru. (and in case you might argue he shouldn't.. you said him or Zoro were lazy to finish Eneru off while he was down.. but if anything Eneru was the lazy one for not finishing all his victims off properly beforehand)
The sole fact that Viper could actually GRAB him while he used the seastone is actually proof enough that Zoro could have chopped his head if he´d helt the seastone on him.
I wasn't debating that his head could have been chopped off, I was debating whether that would kill him. If you release the seastone, he could just "reconnect" since he never lost his DF power, he just lost the strength to activate it at that time
Judging that Shanks is a great pirate as Zef once was one he´d probably do the same that Zef did to Pearls fire balls that threatened to burn his restaurant. If you are truly strong, I´m sure you can´t handle a powerful DF user..
Heh.. contradicting yourself now? :P
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Originally posted by jackvance@Jun 30 2005, 04:32 PM
I wasn't debating that his head could have been chopped off, I was debating whether that would kill him. If you release the seastone, he could just "reconnect" since he never lost his DF power, he just lost the strength to activate it at that timeWell I think once the head is chopped of in normal for then I think he is dead, since it happened while he couldn´t use his power. Just how I see it.
**> Judging that Shanks is a great pirate as Zef once was one he´d probably do the same that Zef did to Pearls fire balls that threatened to burn his restaurant. If you are truly strong, I´m sure you can´t handle a powerful DF user..
Heh.. contradicting yourself now? :P
[snapback]80629[/snapback]**Lol! I think I´ve been typing to much here today. Of course I meant "…I´m sure you can handle a…". Oh the shame! :lol:
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Originally posted by Ivotas+Jun 29 2005, 02:49 PM–>QUOTE(Ivotas @ Jun 29 2005, 02:49 PM)
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Originally posted by Kalei@Jun 30 2005, 05:25 PM
Not necessarily. Ener was a self obsessed, arrogant, cocky jerk. He never dreamed anyone would have the gall to pull a seastone on him and take him out. We can see in the later fight with Luffy and Ener how his demeanor changed when he realized Luffy could hurt him.Completely true about that part. However you just have to get him in your fingers once to pull that trick. Then it´s over. Even though Enel used Mantra Luffy was still able to hit him.
If a logia DF user is serious in a match, there's almost no way to take em down. In the end, Ener only lost due to his overconfidence. Look at the fight with Croc, it took Luffy three tries and he almost died three times as well. Fight with Smoker, never won. Fight with Aokiji, got owned. It's safe to assume if you're up against a Logia type, you're screwed, unless you're Luffy. XD
[snapback]80656[/snapback]And yet in all those fights they´ve made body to body contact with Luffy. It´s not like he never came cloth to them. Again I say only toughing any of them with the Seastone once would do the trick.
Just look at the fight with Foxy. He´s no logia user but either way Luffy let him hit him again and again until he just once used the mirror on Foxy. Just once and it was enough to take Foxy down. Skilled fighters are certainly able to get themselves in the position to use a seastone to a maximum advantage against logia users. :D -
Why do you think Smoker never used his seastone (attached to the end of his weapon) on Ace during their fight? They were in contact all the time.
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Because they´ve just fought in the anime. That never really hapened in the manga.
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this went from what does the d mean and are they related to zoro is lazy for not finishing off enel
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Originally posted by azuma joestar@Jul 1 2005, 09:29 PM
this went from what does the d mean and are they related to zoro is lazy for not finishing off enel
[snapback]81595[/snapback]Well happens quite often on the forum. Personally I prefer deviding from the original topic if it leads to a good discussion over staying on topic and getting repetative.
Take all the official chapter discussions for instance. The first five pages are mostly always constant repetitions of: "cool chapter, awesome move, great fight, funny scene". It gets really boring really quick and there´s actually nothing discussion worthy if somebody doesn´t throw in some speculation that may lead towards a completely different direction. B)
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you know what thats 100% true too… looks like this question is about the same as getting to the center of a tootise roll pop
id ask mr owl but if araid he might bit something... >_>
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I have a theory on Luffy's parentage.
I don't think Gold Roger is Luffy's father since he died (very publically) five years before Luffy was born. I think he may be his Grandfather though.
I'm not sure about this, of course, but I think Luffy's dad may be Shanks.
I expect most of you have seen the flash back to where Buggy eats the chop-chop fruit.
(chapter 19 in the manga)
A young Shanks is with him. Let's just say that when I saw him my jaw dropped. In one scene his hair looks black, I thought it was Luffy!
They are the absolute spitting image. This cannot be unintentional. Also he willingly looses and arm and keeps smiling to spare the child upset, saying that almost dying and serious maiming was a small price to pay. Shank's is the kind of guy that would have done this for any kid but it was the look of protective love on his face that struck me. He has also carefully been made just the right age to be old enough to have a teenage son and young enough to still be a fit, active pirate.
And the passing of the hat is a very father-to-son gesture. Shanks must have met thousand of pirate fans and good friends in his travels but his greatest treasure he freely gives to only one person.Oh, and I suspect Makino is Luffy's Mum. It's not so obvious but in the bar when Shanks is on the floor picking up the glass, Makino sits beside him and they share "a meaningful look".
Also, when the bandits from the bar later bail Luffy up in the village square Makino runs through the village to get the mayor, then to the square looking like nothing but a panicked mother. She also comforts him when Shanks leaves.
There is also a slight physical resemblance and she is also the right age.
Is is obvious she cares for both Shanks and Luffy.Also there is Luffy's great desire to earn Shanks respect and admiration above all others.
Anyway, this is my theory. Feel free to agree or savage it as you please… :P
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Personally I don´t think so. I mean it could be possible but for some reason I wouldn´t like it to be this way. Maybe just because of the fact that I don´t want to see OP turn Star Wars with either Luffy saying "Shanks is my father!" or even worse Shanks saying "Luffy I am you father!" shudder
However except for my personal taste there´s nothing wrong with your theory Redpirate. You could even use the moment where Makino looks at Luffy´s wanted poster as further back up for your theory. She says "Luffy looks so happy!" and appears to be happy herself because of that. ;)
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Originally posted by Ivotas@Jun 30 2005, 02:52 PM
Because they´ve just fought in the anime. That never really hapened in the manga.
[snapback]80787[/snapback]It was implied in the manga though. They hit each-other. Body to body contact. Ace was in his fire form when Smoker smashed into him. Then Ace made a flaming net so Luffy could escape. I kinda forgot the point we were getting at though, lol..
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Personally I don´t think so. I mean it could be possible but for some reason I wouldn´t like it to be this way. Maybe just because of the fact that I don´t want to see OP turn Star Wars with either Luffy saying "Shanks is my father!" or even worse Shanks saying "Luffy I am you father!" shudder
Funny you say that Ivotas. I don't like the Gold Roger theory for the same reason.
(But unlike Vader, Shanks is not Luffy's enemy. He's more like Obi Wan.)Plus if Gold Roger was Luffy's dad that would suck because that would mean Luffy get's One Piece because he was meant to have it.
I have this mental image of Roger sitting in a cave, guarding One Piece, saying "Ah, I have been waiting for you my son."
Other pirates: "Well of course Luffy got it. He's Gold Roger's son!"
I think it would neuter his dream somewhat. I want everyone to know Luffy got there on his merits, sans implied nepotism.
I think with Shanks as Luffy's dad there wouldn't be this problem as Shanks wants him to succeed on his own (and is VERY unlikely to chop Luffy's hand off.) plus he also doesn't know where One Piece is.I like you additional evidence for Makino's case. Good pick up.
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Originally posted by jackvance+Jul 4 2005, 02:14 AM–>QUOTE(jackvance @ Jul 4 2005, 02:14 AM)
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Originally posted by Ivotas@Jul 4 2005, 07:15 AM
Actually all that was implied in the manga is that Smoker and his men couldn´t get through the flaming net (chapter 159, page 11). And I don´t consider an effortless attempt to penetrate a flaming net as a fight.
[snapback]83109[/snapback]K I read back a bit to see what this was about again. So anyway, your claim was that if you can get body-to-body with a logia, you can take him out with a seastone, and my claim was that it might be futile if a smart logia transforms as soon as the battle start. Well, in chapter 158 page 18 Smoker and Ace make contact and face off (also note smoker is wearing his seastone-staff).
They don't really show what happens after that - whether or not Smoker tried to use his seastone on Ace, or what Ace did - if he turned his body into the flame net, or just bust outta there and cast flames in his wake.. but anyway, even if you're a skilled fighter, if the logia goes about it like Ace does (and not like Croc who just stands there japping), it would seem near impossible to get even one hit in.
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Originally posted by jackvance+Jul 4 2005, 01:59 PM–>QUOTE(jackvance @ Jul 4 2005, 01:59 PM)
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Originally posted by Ivotas@Jul 4 2005, 08:21 AM
**True what you say, but then again Smoker isn´t a common nobody. I´m sure that he has quite the fighting skill to use the staff of his to it´s maximum advantage. The tough part would be to penetrate the flame´s that already left Ace´s body an burn in a flaming net. But if he somehow manages to make it that far then he has just to touch Ace with the staff once, though I admit that Ace is to good of a fighter to get cought that easily.So it still goes back to the point I made some posts before. If you are a skilled fighter then you just need a seastone weapon to deal with a logia user. Someone who´s not skilled enough couldn´t do it. But that´s actually the same problem with all weapons isn´t it? ;)
[snapback]83135[/snapback]**Ok you've confused me enough now to drop it, lol ;) Anyway, I guess more will become clear as one piece progresses and we see the top dogs face off more and more..
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Originally posted by jackvance@Jul 4 2005, 07:58 PM
Ok you've confused me enough now to drop it, lol ;) Anyway, I guess more will become clear as one piece progresses and we see the top dogs face off more and more..
[snapback]83293[/snapback]Trust me, you´re not the only one confused in here. :D
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Aokiji is someone who appears far later. A very powerful marine with an ice devil fruit
I think Gol D Roger sounded like a really awesome guy ^.^ if he had Luffys sort of personality, I'd find him really cool. He owned One Piece, and so far from the gash in that dead giants skull, we know he used a sword. I can imagine him being very similar to Luffy with the lighthearted ness although smarter.
I hope we get to see some of his adventures sometime. That'd rock.
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Originally posted by Reiza@Jul 6 2005, 01:25 AM
…He owned One Piece, and so far from the gash in that dead giants skull, we know he used a sword...
[snapback]83868[/snapback]That was filler. The scene never happened in the manga therefore it doesn´t mean much.