Bakuman

[Ao Kiji]

I don't remember learning anything from comic party though

lol What exactly are you learning from Bakuman?
Bakuman is covering the process of "making" it in comics in a far greater detail than the creative process. Comic Party didn't go into detail with tools or anything, but it did show the struggle of meeting deadlines, financing everything, getting writer's block, doing an original story and how risky it is, etc. In the manga atleast…the anime is totally inferior imho.

I mean, this isnt really a how-to make a comic, comic. Especially since the admissions process and creative system is completely different in the western comic world. It's not like theyre discussing techniques and referrences, and how to develop your personal style, what pens to use, etc. I mean, yeah...I guess they're slightly touching on the stuff, but it's all just barely touched on.

[Satsuki]

Comic Party was also about doujinshi, which is an entirely different kettle of fish than professional manga.

As Fukuda said, "If you want to draw whatever the hell you want, go draw a doujinshi."

[rusashi]

I hope Bakuman makes fun of the recent turn of events in JUMP.

Next week another Gag manga is being serialized, along with ANOTHER basketball manga, even though Kuroko no Basket is doing incredibly well. Meister is also getting canceled, and Eyeshield 21 hangs out at the bottom 5.

[Satsuki]

ES21 is close to completion anyway, they won't get rid of it.

But yeah, the guys at Shueisha seem kinda desperate lately, don't they?

[GEPPETTOSMONSTER]

@Ao:

lol What exactly are you learning from Bakuman?
Bakuman is covering the process of "making" it in comics in a far greater detail than the creative process. Comic Party didn't go into detail with tools or anything, but it did show the struggle of meeting deadlines, financing everything, getting writer's block, doing an original story and how risky it is, etc. In the manga atleast…the anime is totally inferior imho.

I mean, this isnt really a how-to make a comic, comic. Especially since the admissions process and creative system is completely different in the western comic world. It's not like theyre discussing techniques and referrences, and how to develop your personal style, what pens to use, etc. I mean, yeah...I guess they're slightly touching on the stuff, but it's all just barely touched on.

Comic party just seemed like one big joke to me

[Ao Kiji]

Comic Party seemed ENTERTAINING is what it seemed!
-shakes fist-

[igetownd]

@rusashi:

I hope Bakuman makes fun of the recent turn of events in JUMP.

Next week another Gag manga is being serialized, along with ANOTHER basketball manga, even though Kuroko no Basket is doing incredibly well. Meister is also getting canceled, and Eyeshield 21 hangs out at the bottom 5.

How is ES21 in the bottom 5?

[Chardo]

FINALLY mashiro is going to think about what his new manga will be about.

I find this manga really charming and exciting, because out of all of us who read jump, who hasnt thought about making his own series and competing with the big ones? even when I cant draw at all, I still do sometimes, so this is like a dream came true to a lot of jump readers.

[GEPPETTOSMONSTER]

I want to compete with the top manga's but 1. i'm not that good and 2 I don't live in japan…too bad they don't have something like: world jump

[FireFistAce 0]

If everyone in the world jumped at once, there'd be a massive Earthquake.

/badjoke

Anyway, this was a nice little side-event to get the main ball rolling. It gave Saiko the info he needed to get him and Shujin on track. I'm expecting great things in the next chapter, including the final name that'll be the manga they'll make throughout the series.

[Ao Kiji]

they don't have something like: world jump

Oh, but they do…only it's headed up by Kodansha, not Shueisha.

[GEPPETTOSMONSTER]

but is it a magazine that features comics from around the world?

[Satsuki]

Also, does anyone else here REAAALLLLY want to read Crow now?

[Ao Kiji]

but is it a magazine that features comics from around the world?

YES.
Kodansha has had a world wide manga competition going for a while now. I think this is the second or third year of it. I remember another company doing something similar(it was advertised back in Raijin Comics when they existed).
Felipe Smith even got noticed and contracted to do a monthly manga that's being released in Japan as part of their new comic magazine. It's called Peepo Choo, I think. There have been atleast a few international manga contest, but the winners haven't been American yet, I think. I dunno…I never kept track of who won and what happened with them. I do know they were offering a TON of cash to the winner.

[rusashi]

New chapter spoilers

! シュージンは、流れで見吉の家でシナリオを考え始める
Shujin is currently at Miyoshi's house starting to think about the scenario(story
script).
最高は昔のじゆうちょうを見て、探偵物を作りたいと考える
Saiko looks at what he wanted to do from old times, he thinks he wants to
make a detective story.
! 最高がシュージンに電話をかけると、シュージンはまた見吉の家に
Saiko calls Shujin on the phone and he's at Miyoshi's house again
電話をしながら、本当にやる気があるのか？なんて事を思いつつ、信用するなら
待つべきと、
Still using the phone, he thinks a "Are you really willing to do that?"
sort of thing, if it's confidence you should to wait,
探偵物をやりたい事は敢えて伏せ、夏休み中の完成という事で再確認
If you want to do adetective story, there's no need to bow. He reaffirms
by saying it will be done during summer vacation.
! あと3日になり、進捗を聞くために再び電話をかけると、ネカフェで見吉といるら
しいシュージン
3 days later, in order to hear progress, he calls again, Shujin is at an
internet cafe, Miyoshi seems to be with him.
最高はシュージンに対する疑念を更に抱く
This further gives Saiko doubt about Shujin.
「何で見吉といつも一緒にいるんだ？」という最高の問いに、「好きな奴と一緒
にいるのは当たり前 最高と亜豆が普通じゃない」
"Why are you always with Miyoshi?" Saiko asks, "It's natural to be together
with people you like, you and Azuki aren't normal."
! そんな事を言われた最高は亜豆にメール
With those words, Saiko sends a mail from Azuki.
! To亜豆
To Azuki
亜豆さん、怒らないで答えてほしい 何で僕と会わなくても大丈夫なの？
Azuki-san, I hope you don't get angry and respond, why is it alright to
not meet with me?
真城くんとの夢と約束を大切にしたいから
I want to make the arrangement with Mashiro-kun's dream with great care.
夢が叶って会った方が喜びも愛もずっと大きくなっていると思うから
If your dream comes true, when we meet there would certainly be greater
joy and love, I thought.
! 「愛」という言葉を使ってくれた亜豆のメールを見て、最高は新たな決意をする
! Using the word "Love" he looks at Azukis mail, Saiko makes a new decision.
! 　　　・・・もしシュージンあと2日でネームを作ってこなかったら
　　　…If Shujin doesn't come with the name he made in two days
　　　僕はもう一人で漫画を描く！亜豆の為にも
　　　I'll draw the manga myself! For Azuki's sake.
! 一方、
Meanwhile,
シュージン「見吉 亜豆にもサイコーにも俺がバトル物じゃなく 推理物書いてるっ
て絶対言うなよ」
Shujin: "Miyoshi, both Azuki and Saiko think I shouldn't do a battle story,
but I definitely won't say to write a mystery story."
見吉「なんで？」
Miyoshi: "Why?"
シュージン「サイコーはバトルマンガにこだわってる　でも俺がすげー推理物書
いて見せれば
　　　　　　あの頑固なサイコーでも折れる　いや絶対折れる物を書いてやる　
俺の得意なのはバトルじゃないんだ！
　　　　　　ただ夏休み中　あと2日でできるか・・・」
Shujin: "Saiko is making a fuss over battle manga, but if he sees an awesome
mystery story I wrote,
　　　　　　Even that stubborn Saiko will give in, no, I'll definitely write
something to make him give in, what I'm good at isn't battle manga!
　　　　　　If I can just do it in the next two days of Summer Vacation...."

[magicoreo]

New chapter's out!

Oh, I want to talk about the ending right now but, you guys probably haven't read it yet.

[Crossword]

Man, if they keep this up I'm going to get diabetes from those e-mails. So…sugary.

Other than that, not too too much going on this week save for the genre change, though I did find Shujin glancing towards the bed nervously funnier than I should've.

! Don't quite get how mystery manga are mainstream JUMP fare, but I guess I just don't know of too many mystery shonen. That's usually Seinen territory, in my experience.

[Palochka]

I've got to say, I look forward to this every week with a fair amount of fervor. Each chapter's completely engrossing, with only one or two exceptions, and it manages to provide a strong amount of immersion. The characters aren't exceptional, it's the journey these boys go on and the new surprises they find at each step. I know it's somewhat typical shonen but it's so finely disguised I don't even care XD

I like the idea of them working on a mystery; the plot sounds like something I'd read even over Bakuman itself.

[Nobodyman]

Chapter came out a little late this week. Oh well, it was worth the wait. I like this new mystery genre idea. Miyoshi just gets cuter and cuter, but Takagi writing her novels for her? …that's kinda...lame. Oh, and the last page was great. I guess that's the definiton of...

I-RO-NY

[kewl0210]

Detective Conan is a mainstream mystery manga. Death Note sort of was. That's all I can think of.

The chapter was cool. None of the characters are getting annoying, really. And the plot keeps flowing.

[Ao Kiji]

Why is Shujin not hitting that?
I mean…it's shonen, but SERIOUSLY??

Shujin:Can we hang out in your bedroom, so I can DO MY HOMEWORK ON YOUR PC??
Wtf?

Chapter was good. Nice brisk pacing now. Dunno how I feel about the ending. A little too..."covenient" for me.

[Satsuki]

Nice to see the tension is still there, but I do think it's kinda lame that Miyoshi is asking Shujin to be her ghost-writer. C'mon, Miyoshi, write your own goddamn stuff!

[FireFistAce 0]

As my ex-girlfriend puts it, there's one thing that gets most guys to do whatever women want: Boobies.

Looks like Shujin's no exception to that rule.

But yeah, good chapter. I LOLed at Saiko's original manga character.

[Gekko135]

good damn chapter. The writer really hits a good note with Saiko's teen angst. It feels very believable. Shujin better not fuck up… cause his eye is off the ball.. well maybe one eye.

I liked the end though.. i hope Shujin comes through with an awesome mystery

[taboo]

in a manga about making manga, we have a novel being written about the manga writers

it's like Shujin is writing the very manga we are reading

[Ao Kiji]

Teen agnst in a shonen series isn't really…impressive.
But I agree with what someone said about the drama of the story itself maybe being more interesting than any particular character in it so far.

[Palochka]

@Ao:

Why is Shujin not hitting that?
I mean…it's shonen, but SERIOUSLY??

Shujin:Can we hang out in your bedroom, so I can DO MY HOMEWORK ON YOUR PC??
Wtf?

You know there's something going on. But it's nice that Shujin has some ideals and isn't going all the way. It's Shonen, therefore, males are either perverted or clueless. Shujin's neither, which is really nice.

[Ao Kiji]

There are TWO, count 'em TWO, types of Shonen males:

A.Perverted skirt-chasers who NEVER get any.
b.Guys who have a girl or girls FLINGING themselves at them, but just seem annoyed and uninterested for no real reason whatsoever.

Shujin's the latter, which always struck me as odd, considering teenage boys have RIDICULOUS labido's and tend to dryhump anything with a soft surface. I do understand it needs to be there to keep the series from becoming pronographic, but still serving as male wish fulfillment, but still…a young boy not pouncing on a girl literally dropping her giant boobs in his hands, always seems like totally fantasy. Especially when he's dating said girl.

[Nobodyman]

You know there's something going on. But it's nice that Shujin has some ideals and isn't going all the way. It's Shonen, therefore, males are either perverted or clueless. Shujin's neither, which is really nice.

Some guys are just prudish (as crazy as that sounds). Myself included.

Funny, I was actually thinking the same thing while reading the chapter. Couldn't help but wonder if there was some "off-screen action" going on. LOL

[Ao Kiji]

I'm pretty "prudish" myself. I can totally understanding not making it with some girl you're not interested in, despite her hawtness, but he's dating her and making out with her, so….it just strikes me as weird and unnatural.
Logically, he would atleast grope her some, ask her to dress as a maid... something!

[Nobodyman]

^LOL. Well, I was thinking more in terms of going "all the way". I don't see any problem with kissing, flirting, heck yeah even groping if it gets to that level. In fact, it would be weird if they didn't.

But yeah, Shujin is kinda weird in that regard. But he has said that he likes her and has admitted to staring at her boobs. Oh yeah, maybe he's so reserved because Miyoshi beats the sh*t out of him whenever he does something too perverted. LOL.

[Palochka]

@Ao:

There are TWO, count 'em TWO, types of Shonen males:
b.Guys who have a girl or girls FLINGING themselves at them, but just seem annoyed and uninterested for no real reason whatsoever.

You're not thinking shonen, but yeah, we see those types a lot in other genres.

And I do imagine that there's some groping or something going on when the panel's not surrounding our young couple; he's shown so many signs that he'd be interested in that sort of thing. I agree with you; it'd be weird if he wasn't, all considering, but I still believe he is different than any of the stereotypes we see in shonen stuff.

[GEPPETTOSMONSTER]

I am very interested in the whole mystery concept those two are both thinking up

[Traveller]

I like the relationship between Shujin and Miyoshi, but don't really like the notion of Shujin writing all her novels for her. One would think she herself would find it unsatisfying when someone else fills her dream for her. But we'll have to see where this goes.

[123]

I have read the first few chapters of this manga before and i was wondering if the plot of this manga is just about the two drawing mangas?

[Palochka]

@Traveller:

I like the relationship between Shujin and Miyoshi, but don't really like the notion of Shujin writing all her novels for her. One would think she herself would find it unsatisfying when someone else fills her dream for her. But we'll have to see where this goes.

Miyoshi's dream is mostly so she doesn't feel out of the loop. Everyone around her is so intent on their dreams and focused; she feels like a failure for being just average (she's below average as a student) and so she just wants to feel what the people important to her feel. It has no real bearing on her life, but it does matter that she shows progress to her friends. For Shujin to be writing her novel…it's a means, not an ends.

[kewl0210]

Yeah, you make a point. Miyoshi does have a character and is acting like how someone in this situation would, she's just a bit dumb going about it. But she is a fairly interesting character in this sort of character driven story.

[Chardo]

Wow, just as I predicted, no matter how much those 2 try, they cant just do a shounen fight manga out of nowhere, they should just focus on making what they are good at: ("mistery") and then implement the fight classic concepts, now that sounds attractive.

[Satsuki]

Yep. There's plenty of ways to have adventures other than "Fight! Swords! Fists!" and the like.

[Ao Kiji]

You're not thinking shonen, but yeah, we see those types a lot in other genres.

Huh? explain yourself!
I was thinking of Video Girl Ai, Urasei Yatsura, Ranma 1/2, Kimagure Orange Road, One Piece, Dragonball, Slam Dunk, Hajime no Ippo, and pretty much every shonen I've ever seen or read. They all tend to have those types of characters and they're all shonen series. Rarely, do you see a character who just normally dates a girl and is well-adjusted with physical intimacy and all that.

[Kenshin]

Con man detective Hikkake for serialisation in the long run. He'll probably hand it over for Shujin to base a story on and then we'll have Seiji & Saiko + Shujin duking it out with the mangas that they wrote when they were kids. I don't think there could be a better confrontation between mangas then the ones they wrote as a kid.

@Ao:

Huh? explain yourself!
I was thinking of Video Girl Ai, Urasei Yatsura, Ranma 1/2, Kimagure Orange Road, One Piece, Dragonball, Slam Dunk, Hajime no Ippo, and pretty much every shonen I've ever seen or read. They all tend to have those types of characters and they're all shonen series. Rarely, do you see a character who just normally dates a girl and is well-adjusted with physical intimacy and all that.

In all honosty those are not the best titles to make your point that shonen boys are to prudish these days. KOR started in 1984, the year I was freaking born and people were a lot more prudish over the subject of sex those days. Urasei Yatsura & Ranma 1/2 are pure comedy mangas where the romance is secondary. OP / DB / SD, the romance isn't even secondary in those ones. It's as good as non excistent. Video Girl Ai is your typical shonen romance where it's about the journey of finding true love.

And while I agree that all those boys in shonens are prudish or rather purehearted and serious, who can blame it? If they wouldn't be like that they better change their tag from shonen to hentai since most of those romance shonen protagonists have a harem of girls throwing themself at them. And most of those titles end when they do start dating since romance shonens are mostly about the journey. And when you do encounter the rare shonen romance manga where it continues after they're dating then it's not like they make a problem about them having sex (at least in this day and age). I.e.: Ichigo 100%, Suzuka.

But in Shujin's case I do agree with you, the guys been flirting with her for over a year. Been dating her for xx months. And she has a rack that most men would drool over. Just my two cents on this.

[Gizmo]

I just read the new chapter. It's out on onemanga. http://www.onemanga.com/Bakuman/26/01/

! Hattori is basically playing matchmaker for the newly departed duo. It's inevitable seeing that Mashiro and Shujin each have what the other needs in the story. I can't wait to see them get back together realizing that they are perfect for each other…for making manga.
! And the panty shot was priceless. Shujin better be tapping that after seeing those flowers.

[FireFistAce 0]

Is that the first time Miyoshi's first name has been mentioned? Eh, minor note.

This series is great with every chapter. This was Hattori's Chapter, in my opinion. He really shined and showed his knowledge as an Assistant Editor. Saiko and Shujin becoming rivals wouldn't bother me, but neither would them reconciling. Either way, I'm sure it'll be a good plot, here. The problem is, if they reconcile, we'll still have no rival, since Eiji and Fukuda seem to be Saiko's friends now.

[Satsuki]

Oh silly silly boys and their silly silly pride . . . . . .

And you can still be rivals and friends. Just because Eiji and Saiko like each other doesn't mean either would back down an inch over their dreams.

[FireFistAce 0]

@Satsuki:

Oh silly silly boys and their silly silly pride . . . . . .

And you can still be rivals and friends. Just because Eiji and Saiko like each other doesn't mean either would back down an inch over their dreams.

I know. I guess it would be a nice change considering their last series together. Well… In a way, L considered Light his friend, but the friendship was certainly not reciprocated.

[Nobodyman]

Just read it. Good chapter, though I think this was one of the weaker ones. It's kinda sad seeing Mashiro and Takagi break up like this, but we all know they'll get back together. Oh yeah and Miyoshi's panty shot was funny. But was up with Takagi's line "if you tell him that will make me hate you?" Sounds a bit extreme, but maybe it just lost it's meaning in the translation. And yeah, good to see Hattori again and in prime form. Can't wait to see next week (Mashiro can't do the King story, he just can't!)

[Ao Kiji]

Is that the first time Miyoshi's first name has been mentioned? Eh, minor note.

Really? What was it? I totally didnt notice that. And yeah, he would probably use her personal name if things are getting serious between them.

Chapter was good albeit kinda sappy. Ughh…I have to admit, though...after the "kiddy-panties" thing...Miyoshi is now my favorite character, too! Damn you fanservice!!!shakes fist And it was pretty good-gilfriendish when she offered to try and take the blame for splitting them up and talk to Saiko herself.

Takagi's line "if you tell him that will make me hate you?" Sounds a bit extreme, but maybe it just lost it's meaning in the translation.

I think it's more colloquial, even in america. Saying "I hate you' just sort of means "I'll be REAAAALLY pissed" or "this might break us up if you do it!" I think he just didnt want her interferring with stuff between men and things they already both fully understood and made decisions on. Her pleading with Saiko would've just made things worse, because they both understood the risk and the consequences and weren't going to make excuses for themselves no matter what.

On a personal note, it seems like girls never really wear "cute" panties like that irl. Is it a western thing or…is it just me. When I've had a gf, unless she was like into anime or I requested it, they usually seem to wear plain black or dark green or something that they consider really cute(those panties that look like men's boxers) but I just find boring or a turn off...>_>
Then again, western girls and women raised in america are probably more likely to wear thongs than eastern ones, so maybe it's a fair tradeoff...

[Hattori]

@Fire Fist:

Is that the first time Miyoshi's first name has been mentioned? Eh, minor note.

No, it's not. It was mentioned when she was first introduced a few times.

[taboo]

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[Ao Kiji]

Hey! that was surprisingly nice, Taboo!
It actually felt animated even though you were using pictures!