I remember gamma saying that
Katekyo Hitman REBORN! Discussion
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I remember gamma saying that
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@bunshindattebayo:
You're a good reader,then.
Sorry, I don't follow this series as vigilantly as others. Thanks for the heads up.
I do remember that Lal said there was no Arcobaleno left except her, so that confirms Reborn is dead, too.
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So I guess that means there is indeed a corpse in there. Lovely.
Did Ryohei switch places or not? I have to imagine there's some reason to keep his adult self here while everyone else and their mom is bringing their past (present?) selves to the present(future?)
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Chapter #219 (LQ):
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=LKB4IPML
http://rapidshare.com/files/165262737/Reborn219.zipcredit goes to kirimi@MH
Summary
! - Irie says that normally, he can't make a move without his subordinates and the surveillance camera watching him. Everything that he does is under constant surveillance by Byakuran. But, thanks to Tsuna and family destroying all the surveillance system, the Millefiore won't be able to check on him any more.
- He says he's been waiting for this moment forEVER. To meet in his base, under these conditions, was the goal he'd been planning for all along.
- Obviously, nobody believes him.
- Irie goes on to explain that the Millefiore are after the Vongola Rings, and because of that, Tsuna and family were brought to the future. That is the truth. But, after they arrived in the future, everything that led to Tsuna and family arriving to this point (in the Melone base) was a secret plan devised by Irie himself.
- Again, nobody believes him.
- Irie apologises for everything they've been put through. But, it was the only way he could force them to upgrade their fighting abilities within a short time in order to prepare for the battle ahead.
- Tsuna asks, what battle ahead? Irie says their real enemy is not him.
- Gokudera interrupts and hurls insults and curses at Irie.
- Irie tries to make them understand. If he wanted to kill them, he'd have killed them long ago. He explains that the difference in power between the Millefiore and the Vongola is much to great. So, he planned the exchange of the Guardians from the past in stages so that the future Guardians could train the past Guardians at each turn. When the Vongola attacked the Melone Base, Irie tried very hard to get all the Vongola captured as quickly as he could. But, he had to keep out of suspicion all the time. Irie even planned so far ahead as to bring Yipin, Kyoko and Haru to the future because he figured that Tsuna would have more… motivation if there were people he had to protect.
- Hearing that, Tsuna explodes and shouts at Irie for getting Kyoko into trouble. And for getting Gokudera, Yamamoto and Lal almost killed.
- Irie says he had no choice. The others can't believe he just said that. Irie says he tried his best to make everything go according to plan, but he can't help it when certain things happen that he couldn't prevent. The problem they're facing is not as trivial as they think. Even Tsuna of the future had agreed to the plan. (Irie calls him Tsunayoshi-kun. )
- Irie says the secret was absolute and the only 3 people who knew about it were Irie, the future Tsuna, and the future Hibari. (Irie calls him Hibari-kun. XD)
- That's the reason why Hibari knew about the surprise attack from the Millefiore on the Vongola base and ambushed the Millefiore first. Furthermore, whether or not to bring over the others (Yipin, Kyouko, etc) was something the future Tsuna hesitated with until the very end. Finally, he made the decision because he knew that his past self would require them to become more powerful.
- Lal says that's impossible. She knew Sawada's personality. Gokudera also agrees. Tsuna would never allow the kids to get involved.
- Irie gets frustrated. It's precisely because the situation was SO FREAKING DIRE that Tsuna HAD NO CHOICE but to bring the kids in as well. He begs them to listen to him and finish his story. This entire plan was a gamble and the stakes were the lives of all of the Vongola and their allies. And all of humanity, for that matter.
- Reborn asks if this is related to the battle to come Irie mentioned earlier. Reborn says he believes Irie's words. Because everything he'd been suspicious about had been sufficiently answered by Irie.
- Irie thanks Reborn for believing him and says their true enemy is Byakuran.
- Without thinking, Tsuna says, "I knew it…" and catches himself. Why did he say that?
- Irie goes on to explain Byakuran's 7^3 policy, and that if Byakuran succeeded, he'll wipe out everyone they knew, their families, organisations, and even countries. Then, Reborn asks Irie why he's been helping Byakuran if that's the case.
- After all, if Irie hadn't used the 10-year-bazooka and brought the Vongola Rings to the future, Byakuran's plan will never succeed, or at least the causalities wouldn't be as great.
- Irie said he thought of that too, but even if Irie hadn't helped, Byakuran would have found a way to bring the Vongola Guardians + Rings to the future. There's another reason too. There is no way to seal Byakuran's power except by fighting him in this era.
- But, before Irie could explain further, he suddenly remembers something else. He asks Reborn if they've received further contact from the Vongola HQ. Reborn says no.
- Irie talks to himself nervously, "Not yet? Right, it's not time yet..." He gets really nervous again. There were 2 stages to the plan to defeat Byakuran. The first was to bring the Vongola to the future and meet at the Melone Base. The second stage was designed to give the Vongola boys time to recuperate.
- The second stage is related to the battle in the rest of the world that the Vongola have planned against the Millefiore. If this battle failed, their entire plan would crumble. The key is the main battle in Italy involving...
- The last 3 pages speak for themselves. =P
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LOL this morning i was thinking that the reason Hibari knew about the attack on the vongola base might be because of information from Millefiore. From the look of the summary its going to be epic .
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i'll wait for a scanlation cause that chapter, just reading the spoiler sounds epic.
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Epic chapter, read on onemanga
I wanna see Xannus
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Wait a minute.. This was a big training arc? I'm confused
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Is the one on the way left Marmon?
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@Ennead09:
Is the one on the way left Marmon?
No he died. Lal Mirch is the last arcobaleno.
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Yay, Varia! Maybe things will get moving against Byakuran now.
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Pffft I can't WAIT to see what happens next
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woot! future varia, fuck yeah!!
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man with Irie or whatever his name is, turning out to be on their side, KHR just pulled a Code Geass R2…hope they don't take it to Geass' level... lol
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Wonder whos Varia's new cloud and mist member.
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the new mist member seems to have a very intriuging design. I tend to like akira amano's character designs.
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the new mist member seems to have a very intriuging design. I tend to like akira amano's character designs.
I think his costume has a black frog…. could that mean viper made an illusion of killing himself and gave up his pacifier possibly breaking the curse and turning him normal
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Maybe Fantasma has the same ability as Leon who can create items, which could mean that guy would be Viper's disciple.
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I think his costume has a black frog…. could that mean viper made an illusion of killing himself and gave up his pacifier possibly breaking the curse and turning him normal
I was somewhat thinking that.
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@123:
Wonder whos Varia's new cloud and mist member.
New Cloud member looks like Dino with long hair to me. Has he been mentioned in the future yet? If not, that could be him. And like people suggested, the Mist member looks like an Adult Viper.
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@Fire Fist:
New Cloud member looks like Dino with long hair to me. Has he been mentioned in the future yet? If not, that could be him. And like people suggested, the Mist member looks like an Adult Viper.
Huh both the cloud and the mist user were shown in chapter 219? I thought only Belphagor, Levi,Squalo,Lissuria and the guy with the frog hat was shown
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Who originally was the cloud member of the varia?
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That robot. Mosca or whatever. It was torn to shreds by Hibari in like… a panel.
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That robot. Mosca or whatever. It was torn to shreds by Hibari in like… a panel.
And then it got back up… And got torn to shreds by Tsuna. Oh well, it lasted a page or so with Tsuna at least!
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@123:
Huh both the cloud and the mist user were shown in chapter 219? I thought only Belphagor, Levi,Squalo,Lissuria and the guy with the frog hat was shown
Squalo looked weird in that pic for some reason, I thought it was Dino for a second. And I forgot the Mosca was the cloud holder. And I thought Viper was mist.
Any spoilers yet?
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After reading up till chapter 219 i realised something and have some questions about vongola guardians.
Tsuna- I wonder how future Tsuna is using his golves as a weapon cause future Hibari and future Ryohei dont seem to recognise X-Burner.
Gokudera- We havnt seen the complete CAI, so i was wondering if he can use the Sun flames cause Uri 'grows up' due to the sun flames.
Yamamoto- Damn does future Yamamoto only have the sparrow box weapon? I rmb that i read somewhere that Future Hibari only has 4 hedgehog box weapons, so is there information on how many box weapons that future Yamamoto has? Cause it seems too impractical that Yamamoto doesnt even have a box weapon that can fill the the area with water.
Lambo- … .. . I really want to see him fight.
Hibari- Its interesting to see that though Hibari is dub as the strongest vongola guardian he didnt win a single major fight. The first time was Mokuro vs Hibari, second time was Hibari in the ring fight. Though Hibari did defeat the mosca, his target was Xanxus and in the end the fight was interrupted . And the last time was when he was fighting Genkishi and well you guys know what happened.
Mokuro- Wonder if he managed to take over of Byakuran's body. Highly doubt so.
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Mokuro is the one i'm the most worried about, cause he basically walked into a trap and we have no idea if he's dead or alive. I would say alive at least and held hostage as a prisoner in byakurans base. I too want to see lambo fight and this time pwn someone.
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Mokuro is the one i'm the most worried about, cause he basically walked into a trap and we have no idea if he's dead or alive. I would say alive at least and held hostage as a prisoner in byakurans base. I too want to see lambo fight and this time pwn someone.
25 year old Lambo pretty much owned until he turned back abruptly.
And wait, I thought Mokuro was with Tsuna and gang, as Chrome. I guess you're referring to future Mokuro. Unless somehow the two separated and I missed it.
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Not to sure to be honest. I know that chrome is with all of them but i'm not sure whether or not if it was future mukuro or past mukuro who tried to assassinate byakuran. I believe it was future mukuro, I could be wrong.
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It was future Mukuro who possessed leo and fought Byakuran. Im seriously wishing for a current lambo fight, im sure its going to be funny.
I just had a funny thought, ring flames is needed to open box weapon. So if Tsuna fired his X-burner all an enemy's gotta do is just to use the X-burner flames to open a box weapon and the x-burner wont hurt the enemy,lol. -
New Chapter's out on Onemanga. Pretty good, and Mammon's replacement Fran is neat. Maybe it's a bad translation or something, but does Fran say he had to go through being a baby, too?
And another box animal… lovely.
Also, who do you think that guy's talking to? Xanxus? Maybe Dino?
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Any one else think the new chapter was EXTREME?
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no because i have no idea whats going on
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@Fire Fist:
New Chapter's out on Onemanga. Pretty good, and Mammon's replacement Fran is neat. Maybe it's a bad translation or something, but does Fran say he had to go through being a baby, too?
And another box animal… lovely.
Also, who do you think that guy's talking to? Xanxus? Maybe Dino?
Didn't they say dino was in japan?
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remember when this was a mafia manga
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good chapter, squalo's box weapon was awesome.
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remember when this was a mafia manga
Don't see how using new weapons deviates it from what it was. In any case, it was pretty Mafaish with the Varia fucking raiding a castle on their own!!!
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so thats what they did…
i had no idea, and still dont
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The Varia assaulted and took one of the Millifore castles in the war for Italy (which is happening at the same time as Tsuna and the others are in the Millifore base) and are now surrounded. They Varia looking to change that (if you know what I mean).
Basically it appears that the next few chapters will focus on the Varia which is cool with me. Six Funeral Wraiths… sounds like our new opponents.
As for the person saying "remember when this was a mafia manga" I reply: Was that when the infant who holds the title world's greatest assassin used a special gun to kill a person so they could accomplish their biggest regret, or when a girl who was missing the middle portion of her body and lives on the idea of "I think I have a spleen" fought against another infant baby mobster in a battle of "no really I threw fire at you. Believe me plz".
Reborn has never tried to be very serious in the idea that it is realistic. In fact Reborn reminds me a lot of what Naruto could be.
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It used to hold some pride in creating a family, training Tsuna to become the leader of the Vongola, etc.
Now it's just a bunch of retarded powers that no one understands, and for what? This arc is just going to get put to the side because its TIME TRAVEL. Unless they bring the Boxes back to the past (PLEASE PLEASE DONT) all their power ups will be for nothing. And if they do bring Boxes to the past, they'll be so much more powerful than anyone else, it will be retarded (Author specifically said that Boxes were invented somewhere in the future, so them bringing these boxes to the past will create a huge butterfly effect)
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i find it retarded how these boxes have colors in a black and white manga….and its so heavily implied upon. Like im supposed to remember them or something
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They should change the 'Xanxus lead the varia blah blah blah' to 'Squalo led the varia blah blah blah'. Cause Xanxus didnt do a single thing except throwing tantrums.
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wow, this chapter was about as useful as that infamous Naruto ramen chapter where the majority of the chapter were of those two part-time ramen workers arguing over something stupid.
Seriously that's the first thing that popped into my head when i read that Xanus is throwing a tantrum over not getting beef.
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I think the colors for each of the rings flames is there to hint at the animators of the series. I've been watching the anime and right now i'm currently watching the sky match. It seemed as if the varia arc got alot better animation wise once the mist ring match started.
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Personally I think the manga sucked until like chapter 60. it had little development and annoying filler till than. I loved the ring battle, not because of intense action or anything, but because it kept me guessing. Which I why I like the TYL arc
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are they both suppose to be sasagawa ryohei?
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Personally I think the manga sucked until like chapter 60. it had little development and annoying filler till than. I loved the ring battle, not because of intense action or anything, but because it kept me guessing. Which I why I like the TYL arc
Annoying filler?!
This was ORIGINALLY a comedy manga. It got changed to action fighting to please people like you. (no offense meant)
I thought the original comedy about mafia was 50 X better than this. But this certainly isn't bad.
It got stupid when the boxes arrived though, I mean, to the point where I just don't know what the hell is going on anymore….
Gokudera's dynamite was used in creative ways that I loved. I would've loved to see more development on it. Fights should have been more like this the whole time:
http://www.onemanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/64/15/
now it's just flame this and flame that… :/
at least she keeps the comedy though. Although the varia aren't funny, and they never were...
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Dunno if its just me or that i thought that the flame were cooler, i usually skip those anime fillers when my friend first introduced this manga/anime to me.
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i'm pretty sure once they revert back to there present time that they'll leave the boxes and go back to their older styles.