hmm i guess luffy gave jinbei a small window to stop hody. a little time frame perhaps?
anyone have ideas?
as to the the distance, could it be translation error? or it just that one piece universe have a different set of length measurement.
hmm i guess luffy gave jinbei a small window to stop hody. a little time frame perhaps?
anyone have ideas?
as to the the distance, could it be translation error? or it just that one piece universe have a different set of length measurement.
anyone else thinks sh will not take part in this rebellion?
first its not worth their time, all the mobs are definitely way way below their level. fighting them will be just funny.
second, its like a thing between fishes. and fishes need to take care of their mess.
yeah a little bit of fight will occur while zoro tries to escape until they rendezvous with the rest of the sh.
afterall, jinbei can finish almost everyone on hodi's team including hodi and decker with utmost ease. the huge fish girl will take care of the beasts.
i am not sure if the fish king will die but probably will not, hodi will defeat the king's sons.
i think caribou will make more trouble that will require sh attention.
just my useless predictions:) peace:)
well true not one of the best but we did know how the prince will fair against hodi's army, SH is not needed
and we know the drugs have a limit. we also know the villians and had a good idea of their powers.
this chapter just needed more action than trivia :)
well there has been alot better chapters than this one.
I guess this is just a prelude to the fact that SH will not step in in this war.
But oda could have done it in half the volume and put more action.
I guess even writers needs to rest..
hmmm.. have you guys ever think that the rokushiki can be applied in different setup.. like how haki was, it was called by different names but in the end it could be use in hundrend of ways and apparently alot of people can use it.
so my vote on this one is all of the SH..
sorry but the last thread got close.
and it was lame to relate one piece to naruto.
just look at zoro's cut. yeah it looks he was slashed but look more carefully its not like hes missing half of his head.
the point is, that kind of wound will not even make your eye bleed. i mean the sclera. it looks uber superficial, for zoro atleast. he had been slashed far more greater than that scratch.
so its either he can use his eyes still or its just bad drawing. or maybe its just oda now wants you to believe in the tooth fairy.
anyone else thinks that zorro is not really blind on one eye? can it be that he just close it but still able to use that eye?
hmmm I think the tenryubito will like the queen and maker her its slave or wife. I think the lie in the newspaper was tiger's rage against humans.
with luffy destroying the island.. it very unlikely,, he isn't the diplomatic type yes but he ain't also the destructive arogant hero. he wouldn't destroy an island just to make the fish kind move in with people. remember they are fish and they can live underwater, anywhere underwater. they just stay in FI because it's cozy there with the air and sunlight, but there are more places under the ocean they can live.
im still thinking a great battle will destroy the island.. something to do with hodi's great mind.. and will cause the destruction of the candy factory that will enrage big mama to hunt luffy…
is the manga stream scanalation complete.. it ended with page 51.. it felt incomplete.. i think there are more pages to it…
haha. i don't visit here that much. i just read the databook 2 on mangastream and had to post to see its feasibility. peace. lol. :))
haha. i don't really visit here that much. i just saw the databook 2 on manga stream and had to post to see it's feasibility :)) peace. lol.
buggy will be the new warlord. there are 3 vacancies, the other two will be a new characters?
@S.C.:
You do know there is a Official Fishman Island thread stickied up above, right?
sorry, but i didn't kwow where to put this, in fi thread or dumb prediction thread.
@S.C.:
It is now.
Anyways, to answer the guy who started this, while the actual Island itself being destroyed is iffy at best, I do think some sort of interaction between them, good or bad, will happen. Probably negative though, and no way a Yonkou goes down this quick in the story.
yeah maybe not the whole arc but any emperor would go mad if you destroy their turf
luffy will destroy fishman island and thus destroy the candy factory.
big mama will hunt luffy,, that would be the next arc big mama vs luffy..
any one agrees?
FTW!!! i got shiver as i saw shanks… damn if he got a little sooner.. but oda has made another epic episode again...
Anybody noticed that in One Piece the more bigger you are the more stupid you are.
WB would disagree…
i was hoping garp would give akainu the beating but pain is pain,, WB would do... i guess BB just want to be a spectator,, he did say he want to he WB dead but i don't think he would take part in this war...
just hope garp would go all out and kill akainu…
what happens if lava gets heated up a notch by fire? :ninja:
wil it go back to being magma?
I don't really know about the whole scientific thing to Magma X Fire. But I always take elemental feature in OP with a grain of salt (lots of it). Its very simple concept actually. Just like Rock - Paper - Scissors. Paper beats rock just because it wraps over it??? WTF??? But still. Thats the rule, so when Oda says Magma > Fire. Than thats that
yeah, its plain and simple… its oda's rule.
yes, and no in certain aspect, they add and remove stuff in the anime which is in the manga….
well, i hope anime dont let ace live. it would certainly destroy the momentum.
I save you some trouble don't ever use the anime when you are talking about the manga.
aren't they the same? its the same series.
Why are people even debating this. Oda's idea is probably that magma is more "solid" then fire, and would be able to snuff it out or somesuch.
This isn't about what has the possibility of being hotter in the real world.
well some people need to rationalize things,, thats why i like OP…
Like I thought, you have no idea what you
re talking about and throw out words you don't understand. If you
re going to try to act smart, next time do it on something you actually understand. You don't understand a thing about those chemical properties of magma, and then you ramble about "elemental composition". By the way, Wikipedia doesn't go into extensive explanations about the elements/compounds that magma is composed of either, they just list them, your link is useless.Really? Do you not see how redundant it is to call something molten rock and then say "lava is molten rock + rock"? Are you that dumb? You just wikipedia searched and tried to explain yourself because you decided to add "rock + soil" to lava because you assumed it picks those things up as it flows, don't act like you were referring to its crystallization.
I have to go do some work, but enjoy your discussion on "physics" and how it pertains to a fictional story about a rubber man.
"lava is molten rock + rock"
i said magma + rock which i think is right as of wiki. and i said it because basically it does accumulate what it rampage through. i didnt explain like an expert you are pretending to be. i said it plain and clear, what is said there.
useless as it is i think it has more ideas about the subject that you.
as said previously, its not physics, as you said it much more than anyone here.
Exactly. And Ace didn't get hurt in that fight 'TILL BB touched him.
he got hit without being grabbed 1st,,, anime 325, around 19:35-40.
Lava is what magma is called on the surface, there isn't a need to add the "+rock/soil".
If you want to discuss the elemental properties, let's go ahead, with only one type of magma:
Basaltic magma – SiO2 45-55 wt%, high in Fe, Mg, Ca, low in K, Na Gases:
- Mostly H2O (water vapor) & some CO2 (carbon dioxide)
- Minor amounts of Sulfur, Chlorine, and Fluorine gases
How about you get started and I'll read over what you decide to ramble about, I'll enjoy the read.
why would it be called molten
ill do better ill direct you to someone who knows better and more types…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magma#Composition_and_melt_structure_and_properties
wikipedia.
enjoy reading
Composition
Igneous rocks, which form lava flows when erupted,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lava#Composition
learn something new?
Exactly. And Ace didn't get hurt in that fight 'TILL BB touched him.
hmm okay ill rewatch their fight,,
By your logic… Luffy should be dead as well against Eneru... Rubber can't take 100 mio's ov volts... it would melt.
This is a fiction world with his own rules or did you see someone surviving a nuclear like bomb or 100 mio volts lightning strikes?
it's just the name of eneru's attack. even if, physical strength do come in play here.
…...What? Oii, forget it. There's no getting through to you.
And he got hurt by BB because of BB's Devil Fruit ability, smart-guy.
only when bb touches someone their df get nullified…
Just stop, you have no idea what you
re talking about, especially since you keep referring to this argument as one that falls under the scientific field of "physics". All of you, just give it a rest, none of you in the last two pages have a clue what you
re talking about, and it's a fictional story, not one where you need to discuss the chemical properties of fire and magma.It was a simple concept, generally people assume Magma is going to be hotter and more powerful than fire, since they correlate magma with lava. Therefore, he decided that Akainu using Magma would override Ace's flame, happy?
magma is lava as lava is magma + rock/soil which trails down the volcano when it erupts.
fictional as it maybe, it's being asked here why did ace died from sakazuki's punch which boils down to elemental properties,,
Sigh… Fire can't be burned because fire is not matter. It is only a wave of heat, only visible due to the combustion of oxygen in the atmosphere, therefore it cannot burn since there is nothing to burn.
In other words, Ace could have only be hurt for 3 reasons.
He blocked Luffy with his real body.
In One Piece, magma > fire
Akainu was simply stronger than Ace and overwhelmed him with his Haki.
And none of those, except for maybe the first one, make sense realistically.
fire is matter as it occupies space. theres nothing to burn? as fire burns it has gas and has atoms which are vulnerable to being burnt.
1 he is on fire
2 yep
3 yep, probably
Yes but look at the attack when he and akainu clash the darker looking flames were akainu flames.
Still i guess the more important question is where ace get hit if he in fire or human form . Even if he arms or legs were flames once that part of the body was still solid he use to save luffy he got screw.
its smoke. i believe he can take damage in logia form as with his fight with BB, therefore no need to remain human to shield luffy.
Actually it makes 'some' sense, but only in a very loose fashion, the fashion that it seems Oda decided tier it on. Still I think I understand the issue, to have Ace die through this method 'seems' like a cop out, but we have seen other issues of 'physics' in play in previous arcs not completely following the way it works and just taking a very rigid definition. Rubber vs Lightning, Water vs Sand and even more relevant to the conversation… smoke vs flame.
The way I see it, you can't have flame where magma is, but the heat of magma can create flame. Thus I guess Oda decided to say, the magma beats the flame if its ever taken directly on.
and i believe haki or physical strength have to do with it as other people have survived the attack ace received.
It'd make sense that he would block Luffy with his own body to defend him, you're right.
However, unless it's the flames coming from Akainu, that page in 573 clearly has fire.
magma does not create flames, only smoke.. from the things it burn and melt.
Very well, in the world of One Piece that may be the rules and as such Ace got burned.
But don't continue saying that it makes sense realisticly, 'cause it does not.
actually that is how real world also operates..
magma is create by heat of thousand degree, while fire need 2 digits.
magma burns through anything and leaves no fire, just burned traces.
Even if he flame up he won't be able to block the punch or take the hit for luffy.
Ace became a shield for luffy , akainu punch would just gone threw him.
Look at it this way attacks go right threw kizaru and smoker cause they don't have solid logia form.
Compare to akainu and aokiji where parts of there body get destroy cause thay have a solid logia form.
well what stopped akainu from hitting luffy too. i believe that even in logia form ace can still be pretty solid, he can punch and kick with his limbs as flame. he just wasn't strong enough to hold the punch thats why it goes through him,
I guess how it works…
Crocodile's head (while human) gets cut off unexpectedly, he regrows it with his logia power.
Ace gets a hot punch through his torso (while human), he could regrow it with his logia power.
In both cases, whether haki was responsible for the ability to cause the damage or not, they got parts removed while human (no logia powers activated at the time of the attack, as Crocodile wasn't expecting his head to get cut off), but only Crocodile was able to regenerate.
So there must be residual haki inside of Ace, keeping him from regrowing damaged/missing parts.
logia was activated that time. if a logia gets hit in human form the damage remains. logia turns on instantly as with bagi's paramecia slice body. but not automatically that is. but ace is in logia in last panel of 573, he is in flame mode.
The only thing that would give it SOME sense (well, in a One Piece way) is that Ace was over whelmed by Akainu's Haki and he couldn't regenerate back when the magma fist exited his body.
that was one possibility but as mention by akainu himself, he is superior element. magma burns at thousand degrees while flame do at hundreds. maybe a few thousand but not more, which is the min for magma to be created.
Yes but you can burn the human body ace was in human form. logias can get hurt in human form. Just because ace had some flames on his arm don't mean he was in logia form.
Also fire can't stop a punch in fact fire can stop anything that has a solid form unless it's moving so slow it get melts.
i think ace was in his logia form. he always is, when in battle that is. but he just got over powered, somehow. i guess he and luffy aren't on the same level as wb and others.
Well at least OP's Magma>Fire argument has more tread than Naruto's Lightning>Earth. Now THAT was a BS battle.
its like eneru winning over luffy.
Ugh…
It seems people will force themselves into thinking that this is logically sound. Just because it's One Piece.
...
So, you know... No point in arguing.
If he blocked in human form, it'd make sense. But it'd also be odd that Ace didn't flame up.
As for the Naruto thing... they're both BS. XD, but the point is you're not supposed to wreck your brain thinking about it. It's a shonen manga. Just accept it and move on.
actually he does, last panel of 573, he is in logia. but got screwed.
What makes no sence is this sentence structure…. but I'll try to make sence of it. >_>
If he followed real world science, Ace would not be hurt, let alone dead. You cannot burn or "melt" fire. It cannot be done.
If this was Naruto most people would write it off as a plot convenience. But since this is One Piece everyone is always frantic for a scientific and real world reason for something. STOP IT. There is none and Oda is not above doing plot conveniences either.
ace is fire, magma burns anything. lava wouldn't. see that when volcano burst theres no fire at first, and leave no fire behind. all it leave is the track of being burn.
It doesn't matter that Ace was fire. Akainu punched Aces real body with Haki. Ace having no Haki like Whitebeard couldn't defend against it.
could also be, as wb and jinbei survived akainu's attack,
Awesome Chapter :D
But
Ace dies. Whitebeard will die… and the Marines lost a building? Whitebeard or someone alse have to do something now. Or I hope Dragon really give it to them when the Revolutionary story comes in, and Akainu plays a big role. Or Luffy beats him one day in the New World.
i hope garp would rampage… i want to see the legendary marine
I thought today it would stop but …....... it won't :cwy:
Death of Ace = best death ever in a manga
yeah but one of the saddest too, sad because it gone so fast.
Or just could be that Ace took the punch when he was in human form ,that's all there is to it.If ace was in fire form he would have not been able to stop akainu punch fire has no solid form. No matter how big a fire is you can always go threw it once you can take the heat.
Unlucky for ace he try to stop someone that part of his element but also had a solid form.
actually magma is liquid in nature, lava i believe is more of the solid one.
That's right, could be Haki too.
Although, now that I think about it, with the emergence of Haki… Blackbeard's Devil fruit isn't all that anymore lol. I mean, think about it...
He's a logia that can be hurt. It's only real prize was that if can nullify Devil Fruit powers. But now since everyone and their momma has Haki... which does the same thing... Someone (like Akainu) can have a true Logia ability and also have the ability to nullify powers.
Bottom line: Yami Yami no Mi sucks. lol
You misunderstand… Haki only let's you hit Logia... their powers still work.
Blackbeard stops EVERYTHING.
So....
No magma fist, if BB strikes first.
yeah bb stops any df with his touch but gets damage 2x as much.. ouch.. maybe not the bargain many would take. though it seems that bb can handle it.
a D dies with a smile
It was a plot convenience. That's why Ace got killed by Akainu's magma. There is no science to it… And it's also something where if Naruto did it, this whole forum will be making fun of the fact.
But this is One Piece, so it's allowed to not make sense or follow logic lol.
Still sad that Ace died, though.
i do believe that oda do follow basic physics in OP,, no offense but naruto is more of the not make sense.
If you compare WB's body size to that of Ace, you will surely see the difference. His size contributed a lot to him (WB) still standing now.
giants aren't invulnerable to magma,, WB haki protected him, i guess.
I still don't get how Ace died.
He's a logia.
Then again, we don't know what Haki is too.
…...........................
he got melted by magma.
Because my brains are starting to split, I came to conclusion. Fire should have some kind of base to burn on, and Ace doesn't have one when he burns. This means it is impossible for me to go on with my theory which relies on the three things that fire needs to burn. Silly me trying to be smart.
well land, soil, rock can be burned as long as there's air, flame would go on and on. just ace's luck run out when he came across a logia user with better burning ability and i suppose better skills.
well WB received it head on and counterattacked while ace turned his back on it and took it all in.
wb is not logia, ace is logia. wb received the punishment on the chest standing still then counter if i remeber right. i think it's just a matter of physical strength and haki which i think oda deprived ace of.
The fire would simply move around the magma. Hence why Ace can take gunshots and other attacks without damage. They will simply pass through him. Think of punching through a flame, notice you can punch through it and the fire splits apart but it will reform back. Fire simply has no solid form. It should be able to regroup, just like how Aokiji can reform after breaking into pieces.
but logia users are solid too unless they make themselves logia. but it seems that element too plays important role in one piece that if a logia get hit by a logia of opposite element or a stronger element then their logia state will be cancelled. magma is around 10 times hotter than flame, if sakazuki was just lava i think ace wouldn't die.
akainu have 2 elements,ace have 1 element and smoker have 1
maybe that's it
2 element? he's just magma right?
But partially he did. Like you said, throwing magma in forest fire, the fire would go off in the spot where the magma is thrown. It can't burn without oxygen.
actually magma does not burn it melts, it melted rock/soil in liquid form.
and i stand corrected by my previous post, certainly magma would "burn" fire. as sad as it is, it can't be helped. as sakazuki said it, it's superiority of element.
what bothers me is it seem so easy that ace fall, i mean WB also got received the same blow if i remember correctly. why is he not dead, all he got was scratches. i think it's the haki and power level of the individual which make ace a weakling compare to WB/jinbei.
true magma is just a molten rock… and it's lava that burns. so therefore it shouldn't have killed ace. but i guess OP physics and real world's are different after all. it's really sad ace died but his exit was very effective and would imprint to the followers of the series. i just hope garp would go all out and kill sakazuki like a dog, which he is. damn, can't get over this death of ace, btw who was ace referring to in his flashback and wanted to give his regards? could it be roger?