@ Darth Vader
Don't know where you got that from, but I'm not a marine/akainu fan. Akainu is on list list of characters I dislike the most, and marine's actions only make me dislike them.
@ Darth Vader
Don't know where you got that from, but I'm not a marine/akainu fan. Akainu is on list list of characters I dislike the most, and marine's actions only make me dislike them.
I can tank some blood loss, and I'm not one piece character with insane endurance. WB did nothing on Akainu, the guy was good to go in battle and still fight. WB was going down the grave with each minute.
We need to clear something, BB din't kill WB, he killed almost dead WB that would still die in the end from the wounds he got before that. He just made a bit faster. You're crazy if you think WB would live if it wasn't for Blackbeard.
How did WB beat Akainu? Two hits from Akainu left WB with half a head and a huge hole in him. Akainu doesn't even have any visible wounds from his battle with WB.
It's sure one strange way to hype the final villain, make him run away from previous villains. BB and his full crew run away from Akainu and avoid any kind of confrontation.Oda portrayed BB as inferior to Akainu for a reason.It's like Doflamingo and his full crew would run away from Hody Jones.
Roci has no competition. The fact that he is marine just makes it even better.
So, in a manga about pirates that compete to find the one piece, the confrontation between the top 2 candidates will not be for one piece, but for some war hell knows what is about, when one of them will be king of the pirates, superior to the other and no real reason to still compete and fight in some mess of a war that has all factions.
No, not in a milion years, I can tell you that much.
Sure, vice admirals had defeats so far, would nami/chopper/ussop/brook do something, ever to law, doflamingo, sabo? No.
I could name you some pre ts vice admirals but considering the changes akainu made in the marines, there could be better new character options. The guy even got two new admirals that will play important roles till the end, don'tsee why same can't be for the vice-admirals.
Where was I…Oh yes, some random criminals from Impel Down, that have build no relation of whatsoever with SHs are better option then some vice admiras....ok, not.
Also, we are half way in the story, Oda has time to build the vice admirals and all, it's not like the final battle is at the door.
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Where was I...Oh yes, some random criminals from Impel Down, that have build no relation of whatsoever with SHs are better option then some vice admiras....ok, not.
Also, we are half way in the story, Oda has time to build the vice admirals and all, it's not like the final battle is at the door.
marines vs SHs:
Luffy vs akainu
Sanji vs Kizaru(for best leg fighter in the world)
Zoro vs fujitora( even build their relation from dressrosa)
Franky vs Kuma
rest of the SHs vs some vice admirals
Jimbei- either greenbull or I'm not sure at all about him
Come on dude, Akainu won't have 10 marines that Straw Hats will have personal beef with.
I'm sure BB won't have either.
Akainu Wanker. That is all.
I just think based on present facts, hints, that he is portraid as final enemy, that is all.
Ok now, how about a battle to decide who is final enemy of Luffy?
It's clear as hell that the final villain is also the stronger villain luffy will face. You think a guy that not only takes normal damage but double damage from attacks can resist much against the guy that burns body part with his lava like butter? Akainu would make short work of BB.
@Monkey:
Yes right up there with Luffy's most dastardly foe, his ten year old self.
Sure, compare battle earned scars that represents everything luffy faced at marineford, a memory of his brother death that will last forever with that joke luffy made on himself.
Also careful where you throw that logic, because it strengthens the case of Shanks being taken down by Blackbeard, which in turn strengthens the case of Blackbeard in the future far outstripping Akainu in the department of "people Luffy has grudges against".
I don't think BB can do that, even if he kills Shanks. Ace was like his family, brother that traded his life for luffy's life. Shanks is the guy who inspired luffy, but is also the guy luffy plans to defeat along with the other yonkous.
Yes, they are badasses in my book(at least 90% of them).
Whitebeard imply that BB is not the guy who Roger was looking for. That translated to me as: he is not the guy who will find the one piece. So luffy's and BB relation is related to one piece, whoever finds it, not the final war.
Also, the scar Luffy got from Akainu. How many scars did Luffy get so far in his many battles in one piece? So luffy is stuck with a lifetime big, ugly scar, that hurts only when you say Akainu's name, just because he is ONE OF THE MANY villains, not the main, ok guys.
Keep in mind Blackbeard's logia makes him take all his damage AND feel it extra. So everything is hitting him twice as hard and he's still tanking it anyway.
And the fact that he IS different from the typical stoic uber planning badasses is what makes him so interesting and so Oda. Lying, cheating, running, sneaking dirty tactics? Sounds like a pirate to me.
Most big guys in one piece are the typical badasses. From known yonkous, admirals, supernovas, other pirates and marines, warlords.
If we look back at what villains Luffy faced so far, the ones who are somewhat similar to BB are maybe Buggy, Caribou, Moria. The stronger ones he beat are the typical badasses.
@Cyan:
Half of it's a fucking act to make people drop their guard you moron.
The other half is because his fruit makes everything that hits him hurt even more.
So running from akainu was just a act to make him drop his guard, ok .
Blackbeard is too coward to be final villain. This guy runs from fights he can't win.
How good would the final battle be if BB runs when he notices he can't win and cries like a little baby from luffy's every hit?
@Monkey:
And as we all know everything Luffy sets out to do works out exactly as he wants.
! http://img.mangastream.to/manga/one-piece/573/One_Piece_573_16-17.png
Even then, luffy managed to do what he was there for, free ace and stop his execution. The only way he would be able to save ace even from Akainu was to beat him. But you can't beat your final enemy when you're not even half way in the story.
Also, the moments are different. Beat all yonkous is a long term plan, same as pirate king title, not a desperate time limit situation to save your brother in war where he had to die for plot reasons.
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What are you implying here. That Luffy is going to take down all four yonkou before becoming pirate king. To me, it implies nothing of that sort.
Taking down yonkous is part of the road to pirate king title. We don't even know if yonkous exist once there will be a pirate king, since they would have no point. And I don't see why the pirate king would still plan to take down inferior pirates.
The point of villains is that they are superior to luffy untill he faces them. Luffy was the underdog, underestimated, not the other way around.
Another reason why I can't see BB as final villain is that he's too wierd and funny for the main villain, his crew looks that way too. I would place him in the same team with buggy and caribou, except he is more important and stronger.
Dressroa like 10-15 chapters
Zou- 50
Wano-80-90
some other smaller arcs- around 50 each
the last warlord arc-70
first yonkou kaidou arc-100-110
bb and raftel arc - 110
war with marines and wg -70
Prediction: He is new character, has title of 'World's greatest martial artist' and is likely a future rival for Sanji.
Next on the list:
Shiki, I just don't think we saw the last of him.
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Your point? They're all still pirates regardless.
Dogs of the WG, if I may.They lost what pirates had more valuable, freedom you see in luffy and BB.
That's not true whatsoever. The overwhelming majority of villains in One Piece have been pirates, not marines. Why should that theme change in the end?
Not just regular pirates, pirate warlords, that go under WG, allies with marines.
Who was the former pirate king's main enemy and rival? Garp, a marine, way lower rank then Akainu, dog that serves the marines and gorosei, so much he din't even save ace from their hands. Marines and pirates are the opposing sides in one piece.
Luffy obviously recognizes the name, he has never failed to recognize BB. So yes, I think he doesn't hold him as responsible as Akainu. And I always got the impression that he still has some respect towards Teach for being a fellow dreamer, but maybe that's me.
Things might get a little worse if (when?) BB kills Shanks.
If he kills Shanks and it won't be like with Ace: he just defeats him while Akainu does the killing.
BB killed when he needed to get DF. Look at Magellan, almost killed him and his crew, close to end his dreams, he still din't kill him, just beat him up.
Has anyone been discussion the "offerings" brought up in the cover story?
From Stephen's translation in Shonen Jump.
"Suddenly the ruins destroyed our town, the creatures wrecked our ships, and the offerings disappeared."I wonder do the townsfolk just offer something their gods, is it a celestial dragon offering, or maybe an Emperor's Big Mom style offering?
I'm assuming someone has taken control of the sea beasts and used them to get these offerings. Someone related to Fishman Island however unlikely. Vanderdeckin(was that his name?) was mysteriously unseen in the prison later on after Fishman island but that could have just been nothing and he certainly had no control over the sea beasts. I don't know.
Kaidou, king of the beasts could likely have a power to control other beasts, even sea beast, where does Jimbei go in here, I don't know.
Luffy's reaction to Akainu:
Now, Luffy's reaction to BB:
Oh look! MORE FOOD!
It has to count for something…
Oda had ELEVEN supernovas. Not counting Luffy and Zoro… he could have sacrificed ONE of them to the needs of marines needing to be competent. Bonney was even already caught, and we haven't heard from Capone or Urouge at all!
It would have just taken ONE line... "Aikanu has been especially merciless to the Supernovas. Crews have been scattered, and _____ was captured" or "Blackbeard has been gaining power, but Aikanu has kept him from claiming all of Whitebeard's old territory" to give a smidge of credibility.
But nope, still all at large. Every last one of them, and their entire crews, including the captured one and new supernovas like Bart and Cavendish, just get away no problem. Any credit for messing with Yonkou has gone to Supernovas, and Law even became a Warlord.
Oda created that many characters, ONE of them could have been captured or beaten up by the New World. But nope. 100% incompetence rate.
Who is going to get the job done when you had to pick admirals from outside and the vice-admirals get defeated with every chance they get? Maybe there' s no talent left in the marines.
At this rate, Akainu has to go himself out there to get anything done.
@Monkey:
Such brilliant strategies such as "yelling at a guy as he runs away and making fun of his boss".
God you make Darth look like a nuanced genius by comparison.
Brilliant enough to get the job done, the execution of Ace, the event everyone was there for and almost killed the main character too.
I don't know about that, Sengoku doesn't look like that type of guy to use dirty tricks. Akainu also used his tricks on ace to convince him to stay and fight rather then keep running.
I just don't see SHs do nothing more then running. Sanji has to show what he got in two years except run skill. From now on, the strong members of SH have to beat yonkou commanders and yonkou himself, running is not in the options.
They way Tamago speaks french, has wierd long legs, two hints that he is enemy for Sanji, but not sure if for now or reserved for the future, if SH will deal with Big Mom.
And the third Admiral does what exactly? Bugger all? Murders all of the other Straw Hats?
As much as I love my marines, this ain't what's going to happen.
I think Green Bull will be defeated before the final war. Either by the hand of luffy alone or M3 combined.
There is also JIMBEI/lAW who could take him on, but I rather go with his defeat before the final war.
The final war most likely is SH and revolutionaries VS marines and WG. Don't even see why luffy needs anything else in there, like BB.
SH vs Admirals( kizaru vs sanji, luffy vs akainu, fujitora vs zoro) while dragon and sabo go for the gorosei.
And yes, this is a speculation, din't claim it's anything else.
. The inevitability of Blackbeard versus Shanks proves Just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean its speculation It was rather obvious, for one, that Whitebeard was going to die during Marineford. All the signs pointed to it, and you know what, it occurred. This is the same thing with Blackbeard versus Shanks; its been prophecied and its going to happen whether you like it or not. In most tales where there is a noble mentor of the protagonist, the antagonist kills the protagonist mentor, and don't tell me One Piece won't follow the trope, because One Piece has a history of following the tropes. It isn't speculation as well that Blackbeard is more important than Doflamingo; I know for fact that he is more important than Doffy simply because he done all the shit he's pulled.
The example with Dolfamingo was to point out that introduced early doesn't say anything. Many villains in one piece don't just show up in one arc and that's it.
Point is, Akainu has a list of facts while BB has yet to do anything major to Luffy. And we have yet to see if Akainu's list is over.
Monkey king, please, tell me how WB would live much with half a head and a huge hole in the chest, that it's not just for fashion, it also did some serious internal damage to WB.
The fact that the Blackbeards and the Red Hair have been set to fight basically proves the Blackbeard will kill Shanks. Akainu killing Shanks makes nno sense story wise. Blackbeard is far more important to the plot than Doflamingo ever will be , so your second point is moot.
I don't see how this is a fair duel if I bring arguments and facts and you only bring speculations.
Guess what, that guy is going to kill Shanks, the guy who called Luffy to adventure. Luffy won't be able to return the Strawhat and Luffy will hold a massive vendetta against him. Akainu, as I have already pointed, wasn't even planned to be in the story early on. Guess who was, Blackbeard.
Guess what, killing Shanks is still speculation, not fact. All we know, Akainu could kill Shanks.
Guess who was introduced early on, Doflamingo, and he will most likely get defeated now, when Luffy just got in the New world.
Small recap:
-Killed his brother in front of his eyes;
-almost killed him;
-have one big bad scar from him that hurts even when luffy hears his name;
-is top two leaders of the marines, direct enemy of the pirates;
Guess what, he isn't final enemy.
Instead, the final enemy is the guy that:
-defeated ace in a battle, and used him to get warlord rank;
-had some encounters with luffy;
-most likely rivals for the pirate king title;
-Luffy stated he wants to take the yonkous first, not find one piece first, logic.
Luffy-550.000.000 (:ninja:)
Law-500.000.000
Zoro-170.000.000
Sanji-169.999.999(:ninja:)
Usopp-~~500.000.000.~~60.000.000
Nami-50.000.000
Franky-90.000.000.
Robin-100.000.000
Chopper-51(:ninja:)
Brook-80.000.000
Doffy-none, he will be dead, killed by Meadows, also known as Kaidou
Where did this theory come from?
Law and luffy are going after kaidou.
It looks like x drake is with kaidou.
The 3 supernovas team up on Kaidou, and they take advantage of X drake's knowledge about kaidou.
If that is drake, then I take it as another confirmation about law-luffy-x drake alliance, and thta kaidou is the first yonkou they go after.
Also, Roci is such a great character, his death will be almost as sad as ace's death.
Prediction time: Drake helps cora-san escape. Cora runs to law to give him the fruit. Doflamingo shows up and kills cora, he had confirmation that he is a traitor when he saw the marine ships at the meeting place.
With his last strength, cora tells law to eat the fruit and run…
Like other admirals and vice admirals. If Akainu went there to kill/capture Blackbeard then he probably brought as much fire power as he needed.
They have like 3 admirals in total and they will send them after 1 pirate that wasn't even yonkou back then? Whatever are they going to do with the rest of the pirates. Who would protect marines if another whitebeard shows up?
Vice-admirals? They got defeated so many times at this point, people LoL when they hear that marine rank.
Another anti-BB final enemy hint would be that yonkous are luffy's current goal, not final, he started even now the alliance and the plan to take down one of the yonkous.
Also, BB and Luffy are like part of the same faction, pirates. Yes, call them rivals,enemies, but marines and pirates are the opposing sides here.
@Monkey:
Yet we are still seeing him build an empire, no one has ever said we've seen him come from the bottom.
Comparing what we've seen to Akainu gaining a rank is just pathetic stretching lol.
A marine doesn't have the freedom of pirates, he's does answer to someone. He got there by doing his job, the only way he can.
Also , one of the arguments for BB as final villain was that we got to see his rise like luffy, he was not on top from the first like Akainu.
False, BB could easy be second division commander of Whitebeard's crew, but he din't want to. He was also the guy to give scars to Yonkou Shanks.
He was a veteran pirate, he wasn't far from the top, not some rookie we got to see rise from low to top.
Even akainu, we saw him go from vice-admiral to fleet admiral.
Wait what ?
What? Final villan must give the most trouble to luffy, and most likely is the strongest. BB din't show that, as long as he runs away from the 'competition'.
And I think luffy's and BB fight would be better at Raftel, fight for the one piece and PK title, not final war, but that's just my opinion.
Blackbeard can't be final villan. He was running away with his full crew from Akainu with lightspeed.
Depth, dream are nothing if he doesn't also have the power to be final villain material.
Yeah, that what I thought too. Anyways, with the implication that Aokiji is part of the crew, wouldn't it be cool if Aokiji would fight Sanji in the end. Both have blue as their initial color, then you have the whole fire and ice contrast. EDIT: And then, to further imply that Aokiji has joined Blackbeard's crew, you have this http://www.onepiecebay.net/manga/One-Piece/699/8.
As much as I would like if Aokiji was Sanji's match up from the blackbird pirates, I don't think Sanji will ever be at the level to beat the guy who was like equal to akainu for 10 days.
The only thing I dislike about Sakazuki is that unexplainable haki resistance thing. That OP as shit, please nerf.
No, let's not nerf him just so luffy can stand a chance. Luffy better beat at least the version from the war, nothing less, and I'm curious as hell on how is he going to manage that without PIS.