Oda wouldn't make an important point and the cliffhanger for the week if its a joke.
remember Duval ??
Oda wouldn't make an important point and the cliffhanger for the week if its a joke.
remember Duval ??
the sanji's poster wanted only alive , i won't try to find complex explanations to it , it's probably a joke , Oda always do that with posters , maybe the one that was in charge of setting the bounties is an okama ?
as some people noticed , doffla got his glasses back :(
the chapter was great
i don't think its a castle nor do i think that trees aroynd him are bonzais , he have some similarities with oars , or maybe he is the same giant specie as moria , considering that moria have a grudge against him .
as for the hundred beast nickname as its been said before , maybe he eats a lot of smile fruits hence why he needed doffy , or he have a mythical zoan ( chimera ) , or maybe all his crew members are zoans
Actually no. There is no force to sustain the strings anymore, so they just "fall"
so they have to fall on the city and the citizen then ?? no ? ( i stated it was just a detail wanting to avoid any arguing over that but i can't help it now :ninja: )
I still don't think it can be chalked up that because the Cora flashback and Doflamingo as a villain are best-ever level quality.
that's your opinion , doffy as a villain is good , the best no sorry i find crocodile waaaay more charismatic , some of doffy's appearance were pretty well planned like when he gets whats law's plans and rush towards the mugis but even then i didn't feel the threat the danger that crocodile or even arlong had , i think its because we know dofflamingo from a long time ago and we saw his abilities at the marineford war , we got no surprise , the awakening stuff wasn't greatly portrayed , and of course let's not speak about the clones and birdcage , as for the law flashback its a good flashback keep in mind that law is like a mugi now ( i totally see him joining the crew , Luffy proposed to him no ? ) or at least an all time ally , so yeah he gotta have a good flashback we only had doffy's flashback because of his relations with Law and to be honest its not that great of a story not meaningful at all , maybe it will be useful later when we will know what's the secrets he knows about the celestial dragons .
I come from the future!
and all of that was released monthly with breaks .
Did you guys see how birdcage disappeared shouldn't it be retracting the other way ( towards doffy's clone ) yeah a small detail , this small detail however show that the author is slowly starting to not give a damn about his manga as long as it gives him money ( see guinness record , like i care about that )
yeah i am the party pooper or the always unsatisfied , or the grumpy reader whatever you want to call me , i don't like this chapter btw , call it a rest chapter a transition chapter it looks like filler to me , look hmuch time gatz takes to announce the winner , and that riku with his flashbacks again damn it
Wow, people really don't like it when Zoro doesn't just win and not break a sweat doing so.
not trying , not trying … just showing him unable to cut it , or the cage regenerating really fast would've been enough
i don't know if it has been said , in the flashback rayleigh tells luffy that gear 4 is too taxing for the body and he need to come up with something else but then its all g4 again ?
Yeah, worst logia ever. :ninja:
He just moved his whole skinny body in the upper part when Ussop hit him. The end.
there is also that moment where doffy call his executives for a reunion , trebol just falls off the roof on his head and it looks like some liquid splashed on the floor ( at least that's what it looks like ) .
I don't term this as spam as such, since whining serves somewhat of a purpose and is relevant to the subject matter of this thread.
However, let's just leave it at that before it does start cluttering.
it serves to put useless pressure on the provider of the spoils ?
and guys at least if you want to whine you gotta do it correctly , it spells ch'poilers when whining not spoilers , the ch' instead of the s have a more exasperating impact …
This thread is to discuss the chapter, not to whine that we don't have spoilers.
this rule do not apply on Wednesday
Ok guys don't be so hasty it's G5 but i ain't gonna tell you more :ninja:
Spoils come early when the Jump is on break, not Oda (I think).
really because i saw them :ninja:
seeing how spoilers are no out yet , even if OP was on break last week ( and we all know that after break spoils come as early as monday ) i'm betting something big is happening so spoils will ruin the chapter , my bet is on gear 5 :D
Does kinemon have the Tanuki Tanuki no mi?
More likely Inu Inu no mi: Model Kitsune.
Also, There is a Tanuki DF in Unlimited Adventure Red, but its not canon.
interesting, I could see it once you put it that way.
A weird one though, I'd expect him to do some actual transformations not just costumes if its a Kitsune. Tanukis are more comical which would fit with the costumes Kinemon provides.
this theory explain why kinemon's DF is more than just that
Also, the titan decapitator is pretty messed up and inefficient in my opinion.
i think its good to take out a huge amount of normal titans not the deviant , just luring them there and killing them without wasting lives or resources
@Wintermute:
Wasn't the 3D gear something new to the Ape Titan at his first appearance?
yeah so him shown like he know berthold and reiner makes me conclude that he met them after he killed mike , or else he would have known of the 3d gear , seems like he know more informations than those two . (i mean info from outside the walls )
The conclusion was just as disappointing as I feared…
I feel like Kingdom has been dropping in quality since the timeskip, it's probably mostly because Hara is speeding through events so quickly. I hope he slows down and get backs up to the standard of arcs like Bayou and Sanyou.
well this is it , this whole rebellion was gonna succeed or fail in one day anyway , they had only 30 000 men ( and most of them untrained ) , sei's faction had 10000 trained men ( and 1000 elite soldiers i think ) , + they only been able to invade kanyou thanks to traitors opening the gate , shouhei kun change of mind decided the battle , and it had to be a short and intense battle ( i personally felt the rush the characters were in ) .
now on to the next part where qin will unify all of china , this will be interesting ^^
I find it hard to understand why after all the weird abilities and powers we've seen in One Piece, that turning buildings into strings is somehow a line in the sand.
Especially when it's only been in this arc that the previously invincible and way too powerful Law has continually had his ass handed to him.
a paramecia DF have a specificity , luffy being a rubber man can't create rubber , mingo can create strings but not turn himself into strings , the fact that he turn building into strings is useless anyway , he can already do what he did without turning them into strings .
what does it add to the fight , nothing if you ask me .he could already raise strings from the ground , so i don't see the point in giving him that power which open up the way for even more bizarre abilities to come .
as for law his fruit is cheated , but that is not a regular paramecia , like brook sugar , moria , you have to expect that coming from a non regular fruit ( i consider mingo and luffy having regular paramecias their mechanics are simple to understand ) , and usually Oda explain how they work , as for gamma knife or eternal life for the ope ope no mi i don't see how it work , maybe gamme knife is a concentrated room ?
another question is what will happen if luffy awakens his fruit , will he turn everything into rubber … that's useless ...
edit: for birdcage i accepted it by believing its possible after awakening , and each DF have a super final move , mingo -> birdcage
law -> surgery for eternal life
brook -> ???
looks like filler to me , as some people said this chapter and the previous one could be blended into one chapter , Rebecca annoying as always , whole 2 first pages wasted for sh!t riku , building tension in a really artificial forced manner ( hate the idea of a countdown ) , bah i'm off for 2 months , dragOda is killing it …
@DHL:
If you prove points for a certain character or group you are regarded as a fanboy. If a fanboy all points must be disregarded.
good logic i like it :ninja:
just joking , i just made this assumption based on your avatar and on your last 50 posts lol (again just joking don't take it seriously )
@DHL:
Luffy wanted to use Gear 4 to finish OFF Doflamingo.
Doflamingo mentioned earlier Luffy couldnt stop bouncing. Its another drawback (if exposed). Luffy is basically a ball that kicks itself.
huge Doffy fanboy spotted , (Luffy was basically chilling in the air after he thought doffy was beaten otherwise he would smashed his head against the rocks behind him , this if this or if that discussion leads nowhere imo :ninja:
and whats wron with the guy in your sig he moves too much :blink:
Spoilers are delayed an hour every time you complain about it in the chapter thread.
really , then where are the spoilers ?????
Seems like fights are getting really sort of stupid. Too ridiculous to even entertain.
say that to mingo turning buildings into strings , then what turn zoro's swords into strings …
i tried to explain that by saying that the buildings were already strings of mingo , seeing that he is the king of dressrosa and maybe he did want to become the god of dressrosa , but after a few chapters it seems that he really turn stuff into strings , as you say its too ridiculous to even entertain
i agree this is taking the wrong direction ( i see why everyone hates power level discussion ) , i tought it would be helpful to guess who will fight who in the last clash with black beard pirates .
its not for power levels , as i don't want to know for the power trio , its only for brook franky and chopper whose strenght hasent been shown yet
edit : and i tought that cover page was going to use that logic this time , but in 3rd we had brook , maybe Oda decided to change things a little ?
what do you think is the order of the mugis using their effectiveness in combat as a scale ? ( i'm speaking post time skip )
my order : 1 Luffy
2 Zoro
3 forgot his name
4 Franky : 4 was chopper's seat just see ennies lobby's opponent for each one , but i think that after ts chopper didn't show much .
5 chopper
6 Brook : i'm really not sure about Brook , since he joined i never saw him in a real fight like all the mugis had , he never overcame ryuma for example
7 Robin : really strong but her power is poorly used
8 Ussop : he is still a coward , his success against sugar was great ( i'm talking about the second KO ) but i don't see him take on really strong opponents .
9 Nami
Sanji will fall behind and God Usopp will become third member of monster trio.
sanji already fell behind brook , look at cover pages order :(
@uniaka:
Don't get what's with all the zoro love. The guy did his job this arc, defeated one of the seats.
And don't get fooled by his overconfidence. His power is not on par with his confidence.
And DD could just parasite him and then go after Luffy.
don't wanna see zoro beat doffla , just that the " he is far away " reason to explain this is not a valid one .
some little details i noticed while reading the chapter again , because one thing bugged me , i wanted to know Zoro's location , Barto and friends is in the south east part ( shown by a mark ) , franky and the dwarves in the north west part ( by the way look at the marks this doesnt make sense :p , locations should be on complete opposite spots on the map ) so i wanted to figure zoro's location that hasn't been shown , by logic and if he wants to stop the bird cage he must be on a spot on the map that is opposing the other 2 , otherwise how can they stop it . Zoro was with franky 6 min ago ( in chap 787 ) so he did run the whole distance in 6 min , in those 6 min he could really well take on flamingo , this is just to respond to arguments saying that zoro is far away …
@DHL:
Its not just a stitch. He's not even done yet.
Basically the way strings or silk work in real life (string theory article explains this for doflamingo) is that it gives healing properties which can take up to years to perform
Once organs are destroyed, blood goes everywhere, acids and everything everywhere inside his body affecting other internal parts + gamma radiation poisoning.
You can't tell me he isn't nerfed?
i don't understand the string part :ninja: , but doffla still fight like he would be fighting if he was not hit by gamma knife , characters in one piece recover quickly , so no he is not nerfed
@HTC:
But he only covered the strings, no? Sure: it should take it's toll to create that much strings and big too, but once done and unless destroyed, they stand until the creator removes them, no? Plus, the cage was created quite a while ago, which means the haki he dispensed in creating it is already restored.
then zoro's swords are always covered with haki , no it don't seem right , bird cage strings are probably not covered with haki .
He also used his strongest moves against both (Gomu Gomu Storm at the time).
then we have no reason to say that fuji's meteors are his strongest move .
just to point one thing , about birdcage , yes its absurd and its overpowered the whole fight don't seem logical ( using the manga's logic ) , Oda just wanted to use his old recipe , a big event threatening many people on the island while Luffy have the final fight with the boss , except this looks forced this time , just forget about arguments for or against birdcage , i don't think it can be explained , the manga have been running for too long and DF abilities became insanely powerful , maybe Oda could've just forget about his old recipe because this just doesnt work , but this "big event threatening everyone " at least have some good sides which are the mugis getting new allies that wouldn't have joined the mugis cause if it wasn't for birdcage .
yes i agree with you there are many other possible ways to do that , except you forget that Oda is under big pressure and writing weekly , this can happen to any writer , with that in mind i accept the birdcage idea symbolically because there are no logical reasons for what is happening in dressrosa . ( and those fckng string clones just to use that cliffhanger when kyros cut doffla's head pfff )
for the chap 789 predictions , i think that viola will get powned , rebecca will try to save her but will get powned too , and finally we will have one of the strongest "allies" defending the ladies cavendish who will effectively stall doffla , but will be on the edge of losing and this will be the moment for Luffy to jump in the fray !
I did mention the meteors.
And really, I don't know how a meteor shower is considered a half-ass attack. He used it against Warlord Law and Revolutionary Commander Sabo. Sure he has stronger attacks, but for some reason, people think the meteors are a basic attack. They're pretty much his signature at this point.
When dealing with mooks, he used the sinkhole instead.
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Law can teleport out of the cage. The problem is that regular people can't do that.
We don't know what Kaido can do. He could end up being one of those mythical Logia-like Zoans such as Marco.
Luffy used gomu gomu no pistol against "warlord" crocodile and against "admiral" ao kiji , by your logic gomu gomu no pistol is a strong move then …
Oh, he understands the gravity of the situation, he just doesn't see it as a threat.
with his fruit he can easily understand the "gravity" of the situation :-°
maybe if they cut it , those strings that are stretched to the max will just snap ( like a guitar string ) and slaughter random citizen if not the attacker , maybe strings regenerate if cutted ( imagine zoro cutting it getting outside and it closes on him would have been a comic way to explain why cutting it is out of the question ), but oda didn't show any of this , he just rely on our imagination to fill the holes .
fuji is an admiral i don't think he don't have a good mastery of his fruit , he could push with his fruit power instead of that haki bullsh!t .
really sometimes i have doubts if its really oda still drawing or is it one of his assistants xD
@Miss:
So are we all in agreement here that A: this arc has dragged on way too long, B: this shit is really boring now, and C: all these stupid haki powers have gotten way out of control? That the general consensus around here? Cause hot damn, this arc needs to wrap up like.. two months ago.
And I always hated haki for this reason. I knew it would be a slippery slope to batshit dumb powers. Welp, here you have 'em now. I can't remember being this let down and bored with One Piece in a long time.
A) for a week by week type of reading , yes i agree , but if you read the whole arc in one go , the only annoying parts are the one with rebecca at the colosseum , and those last chapters where everyone tries to come up with the dumbest solution to stop birdcage
B) yes , but this chapter was necessary , the arc is already messed up so Oda shouldn't mess it even more
C) totally agree with you on that one , i was one of the big detractors back at the time , creating some drawbacks to powerful logias was a better option ( for me , but there is that will thing and oda probably was thinking of that since rogue town )
This stuff is really simple guy. The revived Gladiators are on the other side of town. The ones close to DD got impaled and are dead. No one else thinks they have a chance against DD so they're contributing to the effort of stopping the cage instead.
Viola has been tracking DD, like you she knows he's weak.
The one person who could've been there but isn't is Cavendish..y did law teleport down alone.
ah Cavendish , i have a feeling that we will see him next chapter when viola will be nearly slaughtered , and hop he saves the day :D
I'm still at a loss for just WHAT Fujitora could do with his powers though beyond maybe adding to the barricade. It may well be in that case his using haki is more effective in that instance.
cmon gravity fruit , he could just lift the whole ground under the birdcage .
beside that his power must be really cool , wonder if he can create a black hole ,or use some moves like centripetal or centrifugal gravity circling his opponents head with his hands and applying the power , boom … ( another fruit going to waste while mr strings have it all , but oh well whats the point in complaining we are close to the end of the arc )
overall i think the chapter was necessary , Luffy will win in 2 chaps or more
edit : no sanji in the horizon :( (cover page ) @sabinis:
Gap didnt widen. You will see soon enough.
My reaction would be probably like this
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Do you guys think if Oda could, he would go back in time and change DFs? The main 3 are Paramecia, Zoans, and Logias but Zoans really need a overhaul or something imo.
They just …suck. I love animals, but I just find them boring imo.
I really hope they expand more on them during the Kaido arc, but with smile they just became fodder weapons. The only interesting Zoans will be from Kaido himself (if he has one) and his crew (if they have some).
Awakening Zoans are mindless beasts, I have yet to see a zoan cause as much destruction as Logias, Some paramecias, haki, etc. The only hope seems to be mythical zoans
considering that Dragon have the strongest fruit amongst all and it is a zoan .
and no its not a dragon , its a den den mushi zoan type , A W A K E N E D , i already posted that on dumb predictions but i'm not trolling , the den den mushi zoan awakened will be too op , he can call anyone anywhere , call anything ( like clouds in rogue town ) , send radio waves , intercept any discussion , read other people mind ( can be possible by using the same logic for birdcage ) , and most importantly , transform into a super awesome snail !
if you want to know , no i didn't take any suspicious substance before writing that post
He shown Luffy first, then he went for Zoro cover, perhaps he will be playing with "order" of crew but I wouldnt be suprised if this time Oda would go in some rank/strength order.
knowing that you are a big fan of Sanji ( as i am , i hate that the gap between him and zoro widen ) i really wonder what would be your your reaction if its Franky or brook that is shown in the next cover page hahaha
Dragon ate the den den mushi no den den mushi no mi ( zoan type ) , and he can call anyone anywhere , also he have awakened his powers so he can call anything , in rogue town it was him who called clouds to make a storm and save Luffy .
dumber than this you die xD
@Mr.:
In that respect, puppet doflamingo may very well be a supernatural entity created by the fruit that cannot be explained in even the most vaguely rational way. This supernatural property of Doflamingo's powers is why the strings will disappear when Doflamingo gets KO'd (or killed).
that would be also the explanation for the birdcage , but even within the one piece world and one piece logic it seems off :/ , for the den den mushi thing yes i can easily accept it because its absurd to try to use logic to explain it , but admit it it looks like a forced thing to make dressrosa completely isolated . ( on a side-note when will we have a zoan den den mushi no den den mushi no mi xD )
Enjoyed this chapter very much, though the ridiculous nature of the birdcage continues to mystify me. I'm real good at ignoring that kind of stuff and suspending my disbelief, but Doffy's powers continue to be the most busted and illogical thing in the entire series. I know that the "awakened" thing was used to kind of hand wave all of the inconsistencies away, but it still sorta irks me, because it feels lazy and very un-Oda. It reminds me very much of the nanomachine excuse used to explain away all the nonsense in the MGS series.
Really hoping we're only a chapter or two away from the final blow now. I'm ready for the fallout.
thx for that comment it resumes exactly what i was thinking , if you want to enjoy this arc you have to use your brain as less as possible ( that concern all shonens , but this arc in particular you have to be a dummy to enjoy reading it , and when i tought gear 4 was going to save the day …. )
mansherry healed Law , let's not use real world reasoning here , that's a magical power that heals people who were on the brink of death , why is Law still lying on the ground , for people that will tell that the blood needs to flow in his arm i say that the time needed for that is a matter of seconds now 6 minutes have passed and mr Law is still lying on the ground , cavendish protecting from we do not know who .
this is just stupid , all those powers present at the island used in such a chaotic way , flamingo's fruit overpowered then useless for plot reasons , Burgess fighting Sabo and ignoring that the cage will slaughter him as well , fujitora that can do something about the cage ( not doflamingo ) but just stares at the sky ( btw his fruit of gravity always attracts meteors that's so weird but we cannot really complain about it i'm just stating the weirdness of it :p )
and the real ass pull here , the weirdest thing ! are den den mushi not working inside the birdcage , looooooooool lame just lame , very bad idea to build up tension , many better ways to do that
another plothole if doffy can accelerate his birdcage why didn't he do that before , so he likes to play at dangerous times
some people say that zoro cannot cut the strings because doffy's haki is stronger , so he is using haki this whole time and on a way larger surface than luffy and didn't tire out :( pathetic this is just patethic … no excuss oda !
Burgess clearly said in the last chapter your " GOMU GOMU NO MI " is mine , he was not going for the mera mera .
lot of contradictions in this chapter like barto and the band getting healed and are already up , wonder why Law is still lying on the ground pfff
this shows that this birdcage wasnt a very good idea , its full of plotholes , and burgess doesnt care about himself , doffy is threatening everyone on the island he should be dead a while back this dragging just shows that oda is not as inspired as he was .
the most awful fight of the serie in my opinion , lot of asspulls ( awakening , clones that can speak )
what if the gomu gomu no mi belonged to gol d roger before Luffy , reason why Burgess want it so bad , it would be a really bad thing for the story but i'm just guessing :ninja:
it's the first time i see all that hate for Sabo maybe some people just can't accept the fact that it was predicted by many people on this forum so they respond like kids to that situation , it was clear that sabo was going to play a role when luffy tires against doffy ( you didn't want doffy down so soon ) and the fact that it was predictable do not make his entry less amazing , oda doesn't have to always surprise us for the story to be good ( see this awakening sh!t for example)
that's right burgess is no longer BB right hand , i think shiryu took his place so that if BB crew ever face the straw hats , zoro will be paired with him , burgess is probably sanji level , i hope sabo will handle both doffy and burgess in the next chap to buy luffy some time .
Burgess is actually way weaker than Luffy otherwise why would he wait for Luffy to be in that state to attack him ?
on a side-note maybe Burgess wants the fruit so bad because another well known pirate used it before Luffy ( mmm .. maybe the same guy that had the straw hat :-° ) tough i don't like this destiny stuff