IIRC the newest databook suggested that Enel will come back. I've no idea what kind of role he would play in the story, but having him in down in the blue sea would definitely be interesting.
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RE: Things That You Would Like to See in the Manga
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RE: Official Fishman Island Discussion
I'm confused by people ranking the yonkou crews. As far as I could see, the story seemed to suggest that there was a sort of uneasy Mexican standoff between them, and implied, if I am not mistaken, that it existed in part becasue they were more or less similar in strength. I felt this was particualrly apparent when Shanks visited WB's ship to warn him about sending Ace after BB. I could be completely wrong though, so…
I'd be interested in hearing the rationale for the theory of rankings among the yonkou, or at the least why you pick the ones you do for strongest, second, etc., from anyone interested in telling me.
From what I know, people put the Whitebeards at the top because 1) Newgate was the strongest man in the world and 2) some databook apparently said that they were the strongest pirate crew in all the seas. I don't have a source on the latter, so take it with a grain of salt, but I'm fairly sure I've seen people use it to justify the WBs being the strongest.
Shanks is often considered the 2nd best because there seemed to be a degree of equality implied between him and Whitebeard, and because he's often viewed as one of the main character's greatest benchmark, perhaps second only to Gol D. Roger himself, so people think that it seems appropriate for Luffy to only surpass Shanks once he himself reaches the very peak - that is, the peak beyond being an Emperor, pirate king.
When it comes to Kaidou and Big Mam, nobody really thinks that they know anything for sure about them. I think it's fairly well agreed upon, though, what you said about them being reasonably similar in strength, that no Emperor has a vast advantage over another. In the end, only Whitebeard being the strongest has any truly substantial backing to it, and most people acknowledge as much. Even so, we were told that Kaidou was ready to attack Whitebeard, and then Shanks interrupted him and made him stop; it gives off the impression that they're all fairly close.
That's as much as I can say from my experiences of people discussing the strength of the Emperors.
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RE: Chapter 614, "What's Done is Done"
The only thing that was really dark about Thriller Bark was the whole Hogback reviving dead people part. While TB did have its serious moments, it wasn't a very deep arc which I'm 100% sure Fishman Island will be considering, you know, slavery.
Hey, I agree with you about Fishman Island being a lengthy and elaborate arc that won't have just have another bunch of misguided Fishmen supremacists for villains. Just jumping to Thriller Bark's defense a bit since I feel that it often gets unfairly ragged on. I dunno about dark - couldn't part of Brooke's flashback qualify? - but it certainly had its fair share of serious and great moments.
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RE: The Crew's Bounty
Neither of them have been given a post-retirement bounty yet.
To be fair, Oda did say in an SBS that Crocodile's bounty would've been at least double what he had when he was enacted into the Shichibukai. I know there's an at least in there, but that still speaks to it likely not being triple since he would've just said that. So, Croc's "proper" bounty could plausibly be reasoned out to lie somewhere in between 160 and 240 million, at the time of the war.
Personally I think that fits pretty well with his strength level, though, so as far as I'm concerned it's quite fine.
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RE: General Devil Fruit Discussion
He can (probably) move at that speed. He just can't control it, since he wouldn't be able to think fast enough to even begin to react to his own movements if he tried to use lightspeed perpetually. That's why uses those mirror things, to set a path for him so that he can move in a controlled fashion.
Or that's what I figure anyway. I guess OP light might be slower, as well.
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RE: General Devil Fruit Discussion
Speculating is fine. It's just not confirmed, yet, and you can't really be sure that Oda will necessarily follow real-life physics. It could go either way, really.
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RE: The Crew's Bounty
Ah, I know it's a bit nitpicky, and I do agree with you that Oda does use bounties as a way of indicating strength. Whenever he doesn't mean for a bounty to be indicative, he usually makes it pretty clear (i.e. Robin). I was only commenting that it would be fair to think that Luffy's (and Kidd's) bounty may have been a bit "inflated", at the time of Sabaody.
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RE: General Devil Fruit Discussion
I'm pretty sure that we do not take anime filler of that nature as canonical. It may be something that they've been told by Oda to do, it may not be, but we can't ever be completely sure (except in special cases like the coverstories of the SHs whereabouts).
If it wasn't shown to us in the manga that they can fly/hover/float, we shouldn't assume that they can because the anime shows it. I'm sure it wouldn't be the first time that the anime got something wrong. For example, Akainu easily blasting his way past Marco never happened in the manga, yet the anime decided to change the scene and add it.
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RE: General Blackbeard Thread
Well, for the warning to make much sense it'd either have to be that Shanks was already strong when it happened, so that BB's accomplishment actually means something for what kind of a threat he could become in the future, or that Shanks possibly saw what was "odd" about Blackbeard's body in their scuffle and that's what made him so cautious about him. I'm kind of leaning toward the latter, personally, though without going anywhere near the Cerberus-type theories I don't know what exactly that odd thing could be.
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RE: Theories That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread
It's also possible that Haki isn't possible to use coupled with long-range slashes like that. From what Ray said it seems like you have to "imbue" it into something physical, but a flying slash is just a razor wind.
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RE: The Crew's Bounty
The thought that Luffy's bounty was higher than his strength was totally thrashed with the first Sabaody arc.
I wouldn't necessarily say that. Don't you think that the fact that both 300m guys had something special going for them that would logically up their bounty - wrecking Enies Lobby and killing civilians - could've been a bit of a hint on Oda's part? Drake didn't seem weaker than Luffy from what we saw, yet his bounty was a lot lower. Law is usually thought of as being just as strong as Luffy and Kidd, yet he had only 200m.
I'd say that both Luffy and Kidd's bounty were somewhat "inflated" at Sabaody, if we try to take the possibility of that happening into account at all. However, of course that doesn't mean that Luffy actually "deserves" something like 120m, but I think it's wise to take into consideration the fact that he did do things besides just beating a really strong guy that would contribute to a high bounty. Maybe he would've been more around 250m or so, had it been properly "adjusted" to his strength… however much such a thing is actually possible, that is.
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RE: General Devil Fruit Discussion
Don't think that happened in the manga, though. He just jumped down from it, as far as I can tell.
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RE: General Blackbeard Thread
^It happened when Shanks was an apprentice on Roger's ship, and obviously much weaker than he is now, but Blackbeard could've been really strong even back then. That's the popular theory, as far as I know.
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RE: Chapter 614, "What's Done is Done"
TB wasn't a "completely" non-serious arc. Sure, it may have had more straight-up goofiness than something like Alabasta. But there were definitely great, serious moments in it, like Zoro vs. Ryuuma and the final confrontations with Moria and Kuma, as well as Brooke's flashback. Maybe the fact that it had an opponent like Oars made it come off as less overall serious, since he came off as goofy even when he was stomping the SH's lights out.
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RE: General Devil Fruit Discussion
Were Ener capable of flying he wouldn't have needed to use the gold from the Maxim as a base to travel upward in order to reach Luffy during their fight.
I always thought he did that to confuse Luffy and get in a surprise shot on him.
His "flying" seems to be like Kizaru's. He can travel through the air, but it's more of him zipping from one place to the next instantly rather than controlling his flight like a bird Zoan user. Which presumably is because he can't think fast enough to control his traveling at lightning speed? I'm not sure if he can float in mid-air, like Kizaru seemingly did when he attacked Whitebeard. I'm not sure about Crocodile, though. It seems to me as if Crocodile can control his hovering/flying to a greater degree, when he turns his lower body to sand, though I suppose he's only been clearly shown traveling close to the ground. But didn't he use that method to get up on the Moby Dick?
About Smoker – does anyone know if he's been shown to actually fly like in the extended filler fight between him & Luffy in the anime? I seem to vaguely remember him doing that in the manga as well, at a different time, but upon reviewing the Alabasta confrontations he only used the smoke to "launch" himself up onto a rooftop.
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RE: General Blackbeard Thread
It may be more accurate to call Zoro Luffy's right-hand man rather than first mate, if we're going by the real-life definition of the word. Zoro isn't really 2nd-in-command, per se. He doesn't have the authority to boss the others around when Luffy isn't around. But if there comes a situation in which a designated leader becomes absolute imperative, where someone has to step up and act the part of the captain when Luffy himself can not… it's going to be Zoro. Thriller Bark really showed that, in my opinion, when Zoro was the one who took on Luffy's pain. Luffy had already pushed himself to the limit protecting the rest of the crew, so when he wasn't there to do it again it fell upon Zoro. Not because he really has the absolute authority to do so - Sanji had no qualms about trying to stop him - but simply because he's the one that will do it. He's Luffy's first and most trusted* crewmember.
IMO you might as well call him first mate, but eh. I can sort of see where Al!na is coming from, he isn't precisely second-in-command. I'm not sure if OP really uses the term first mate as such, though, I get the impression that it may just mean right-hand man.
*I know that Luffy trusts all of his crewmates completely. But I'm thinking of it in a "he expects Zoro to take care of the others almost as much as he counts on his own strength to do it" kind of way - the scene where Luffy found Zoro and the others defeated and Nami taken away in Skypiea and exclaims "How could this happen when you were here!?" was quite telling, to me.
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RE: General Devil Fruit Discussion
Yes, I think he should be able to do that (regarding the Kuma/Whitebeard thing). I read the "deflect anything" as an absolute, sort of like how Luffy just can't be damaged by blunt force, or how you can't hurt a Logia user without Haki/YYnM/seastone no matter how hard you hit them. It may or may not be, of course, but that's my take on it at the moment.
Could Enel create a sword out of lightning? Like Kizaru and Aokiji can from their elements?
Is Enel able to surround his hand with electricity so that he can cut off someone's head for example?
Can Enel fly?
Could Enel kill a person instantly? Because all who were defeated by Enel were only unconcious and not dead.
If Kizaru could I imagine that Enel could as well, hypothetically speaking.
Dunno.
He hasn't shown the ability to "float" like, say, Crocodile. But he can move at lightning speed with perfect control, so he could effectively move through the air very easily if he ever required it.
If he touches a non-superhuman with his 200m volt thing and they aren't shielded by plot, I imagine that they would die. Even stronger people might; I tend to figure that there must be a reason why Oda didn't have him hit anyone except Luffy with those 60m+ volt attacks.
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RE: Things That You Would Like to See in the Manga
I always figured that Kuma basically had a special task as a member of the Revolutionaries, namely posing as a pirate to gain access to the Shichibukai and be able to somewhat infiltrate the government's ranks. That's why he gave himself over to Vegapunk, as well - to keep gaining valuable information, right to the very end. He never revealed himself as a follower of Dragon, unlike Ivankov who seemed well known. Even Doflamingo had no idea what kind of past that Iva & Kuma had together, IIRC.
I doubt that they would allow someone who they knew to be a former very high-ranking member of the Revs to not only become a Shichibukai but gain access to and knowledge of top-secret government technology. To me it all seems to fit like a glove that Kuma was a spy, that he became a Shichibukai and pretended to be fiercely loyal to the government to gain their trust and become Dragon's man on the "inside".
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RE: Things That You Would Like to See in the Manga
I mean look at Kuma he was once a revolutionary who fought with Dragon and they still offered him a position
I'm pretty sure they didn't know that Kuma was a Revolutionary. Being the son of Dragon is probably a no-can-do as far as becoming a Shichibukai goes, if I recall correctly there's a scene where Sengoku says that the only reason Garp is given leniency for being Dragon's father (and Luffy's grandfather)is that he is known as as a hero to the people as well as to lower ranked Marines. If he wasn't, they'd try to kill him or throw him in jail just because of his family.
At best they'd invite him only to call him over to Marineford in an attempt to lure him into a trap and capture him.
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RE: Things That You Would Like to See in the Manga
Honestly I'm really not sure that Lucci even mentioned innocents or defenseless people at any point. In accordance with Dark Justice I suppose that should've been his motivation, but he never acted much like it. He even suggested to Spandam that the thrill of killing was his driving force, although I suppose the CP9 cover story did indicate that he did have a legit sense of justice, just applied it very harshly.
Morgan would probably be the best example, though from what I can tell he just got greedy and power-hungry rather than his sense of justice becoming twisted, to be picky. And yeah, they obviously didn't accept behavior of that nature when it was within their power to stop it (they do let stuff like Doflamingo's human auction thrive despite knowing about it).
ISTBC: as I recall, Akainu blew up the ship with civilians because of the risk that a scholar was hiding on it. The scholars were proven criminals by the law - and in his own mind they were endangering the very world. So it's still a "kill a thousand to keep ten thousand safe" type of deal as far as his motives go in that situation. No excuses for spurring on the mindless slaughter at Marineford, though.
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RE: Things That You Would Like to See in the Manga
Some people do have a twisted sense of justice in this manga, such as Onigomu and Lucci. However Akainu does whatever it is he does, because he believes what he's doing is bringing safety to the world.
Lucci's is definitely pretty twisted, killing people for weakness and all. But Onigumo seems to be in the same boat as Akainu, to me…
Onigumo: Could you protect the future from a terrible criminal you allowed to escape in just a split-second's hesitation…?
Fire.It's pretty much the same thing as Akainu blowing up the ship with Ohara's civilians. Onigumo also does what he does for the sake of protecting the future and the civilians who can't defend themselves, though he may or may not share Akainu's intense hatred of pirates.
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RE: Chapter 614, "What's Done is Done"
^I figure that it could be the case as well. These fodder are just a diversion/distraction and next up Decken will throw Hodi and his band of officers, maybe the whole NFP, to get them past the bubble (however Decken's fruit actually accomplishes that, just really high speed I guess?). With Luffy gone, Neptune tied up and the strongest Neptune army officers locked out of the palace, it seems like a pretty solid time for them to successfully invade. Dunno how Decken himself will get there, but if he does it could lead to a scenario where he goes ape**** due to Shirahoshi being gone. Only problem for them, I suppose, is that Zoro is there…
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RE: Shichibukai Discussion Thread
I'm going to throw a wild guess and say that they betrayed and abandoned Crocodile and that's what cost him his hand and gave him the scar on his face. Since to paraphrase him from Alabasta (more than once if I'm not mistaken) - "trust… is the most worthless thing in the world!!". We know that he once wanted to be Pirate King and that he gained a "scar that doesn't easily heal" according to Daz Bones, so I feel that it's likely to be something along those lines. I'd agree that it probably wasn't something like "Whitebeard brutally slaughtered his whole crew and chopped off his hand", that just doesn't feel right.
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RE: Chapter 614, "What's Done is Done"
because it says 3億6千萬 in the chinease scanlation and it has the same meaning in japanese. :o pretty awesome if that is the case…
That would indeed be awesome. Bounties may not really mean a whole lot, but giving Zoro an increase of just 40m seems almost redundant, and if it was 360m then it would explain why Caribou seemed scared out of his mind of Zoro on the Sunny. He must have done something absolutely outrageous to have gotten an increase of that magnitude, though…
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RE: Chapter 613:"The Mermaid Princess in Koukaku Tower" Discussion
Pretty sure it was said or at least clearly implied that Vivi's mother had died some amount of years prior to the main storyline. agree that it doesn't have to be a very big deal, Vivi's mother certainly wasn't, but there's potential for there to be something to it so it's a solid observation regardless.
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RE: General Devil Fruit Discussion
I think you're misinterpreting what he said about darkness sucking everything in. Here's the quote:
"I just told you…!! Darkness sucks in everything.
Bullets, blades, blows, blazes and lightning blasts!!!
Unlike the rest of you, I can't just shrug off attacks!
My body sucks in and absorbs all pains greater than normal!"It seems like he's citing the Darkness sucking everything in as precisely the reason that he can't avoid attacks. He can't suck everything in and shrug of attacks; his very body sucks in and absorbs everything.
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RE: Most Disappointing Thing in One Piece
Yeah, it did seem as if the Vice Admirals did a lot of ordering fodder around and overseeing their defenses and whatever else. It's just curious that Oda barely ever showed a scene with any of them fighting while he did so for the captains, the commanders, the Shichibukai and the Admirals quite often. Either he's intentionally holding them back because they'll play a bigger role now in the New World, or they weren't important enough to show. I lean toward the former, though there may be a touch of the latter as well. Although Momonga and Dalmatian did go for Luffy at one point, which IIRC was when he started getting closer to Ace, so maybe they were kind of standing by and keeping a watchful eye on people getting too close?
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RE: Most Disappointing Thing in One Piece
Ah, I see. But how can you tell that he looks young when we can't see his face? Although I suppose I get that feeling, as well, now that I think of it; he doesn't have that battle-scarred veteran aura about him. Lacroix is the one I was thinking of, doesn't he look really young to you? Doesn't help that he was (partly) off-paneled by Oars Junior… seems to me like he's the "newbie" among the VAs.
It seemed to me that whenever we saw the VAs, save that opening shot, they appeared to be barking orders or just watching rather than actually engaging in combat themselves. Compare that to the captains from the New World or Whitebeard's commanders that were constantly seen fighting. Maybe they were a bit underworked in the war, apart from fighting in the bay at the beginning? Only the giant ones suffered any damage, from what I remember, none of the others looked like they had as much as a single scratch on them. I dunno.
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RE: Most Disappointing Thing in One Piece
Magellan isn't a Marine, true, but some people think that he'll take the spot anyway because 1) he's got the height, 2) he's got a "haxxed" Devil Fruit power and 3) none of the Vice Admirals seemed strong enough. Sentoumaru did apparently jump to a reasonably prestigious position among the Marines in two years from being employed directly under the WG, so Magellan could maybe do the same.
Not sure about the horn mask thing. But I do recall one of them looking oddly young… Lacroix, I think?
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RE: General Devil Fruit Discussion
I already answered that (bolded is my conclusion):
I'd think not because it would seem to defeat the entire point of him being incapable of avoiding attacks like other Logia users. But on the other hand, his darkness can absorb all manners of things, so who knows.
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RE: Most Disappointing Thing in One Piece
Strawberry is one of my favorites too. Not that he's done much, but he looks awesome. And yeah, I'm also really curious about the new Admiral. I've seen theories about Magellan, which I guess isn't entirely implausible, but I hope that it's one of the VAs. They all have cool designs and by the looks of it are battle-hardened Marine veterans, as an Admiral ought to be.
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RE: Most Disappointing Thing in One Piece
Onigumo has gotten a lot of attention indeed. His leaning toward Absolute Justice was emphasized at Enies Lobby, and he was the one in charge of Ace's escort from Impel Down, a rather prestigious mission to be sure. He also was the one that snuck up on and cuffed Marco in the war. It seems to me as if Oda has something in store for him considering these things.
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RE: Most Disappointing Thing in One Piece
I can't tell if you're complimenting his ability or denouncing it. I guess he wasn't very smart, thinking that he could sneak up on Whitebeard and land a hit. He must have been pretty strong though since he was a Vice Admiral, and clashed with Vista's group and came out unscathed.
Btw, that picture of Onigumo in your sig is so awesome. You also suspect that he may be one of the VAs that'll be more important to the story?
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RE: General Devil Fruit Discussion
No, that… really doesn't follow. He doesn't absorb (as in stop it from hurting him) damage per se, he absorbs that which causes the damage (if it's something like being on fire, or being struck by lightning, or whatever). You can't absorb getting your head cut off.
Blackbeard is clearly meant to be damageable (that a word?) without having to use Haki. If he only suffers pain but isn't damaged, then he isn't really damageable. Other Logias may also feel discomfort at being dismembered or whatnot, but they don't get damaged. Blackbeard does. However this works exactly, I don't know, but the bottom line should be that he does take real damage from attacks.
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RE: General Devil Fruit Discussion
He said that it can absorb "ice, lightning, fire" and etc. But the way that scene was set up gave off the impression that he first takes damage from it - since he also admitted that he can't avoid damage - and then he's able to absorb it. It sounds odd, but it's what it seems like to me.
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RE: General Devil Fruit Discussion
Marco can kick that hard because he's incredibly physically strong. That's about it really. His Zoan form may help a bit, but it's not that big of a deal, and I'd imagine that a bird Zoan mainly grants him greater speed moreso than physical strength.
I'd think not because it would seem to defeat the entire point of him being incapable of avoiding attacks like other Logia users. But on the other hand, his darkness can absorb all manners of things, so who knows.
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RE: Chapter 613:"The Mermaid Princess in Koukaku Tower" Discussion
Whitebeard was very peaceful however he made sure that people who killed his crew mates,hurt his friends/crew or attacked the islands he protected did not go unpunished the reason for this is because if Whitebeard did nothing then no point in putting his name on islands to protect them because no one would care if nothing would happen if they did it.
He also fought with Roger's crew countless times, though, and I don't think we should assume that no one ever died in those clashes. I really don't see this notion that Whitebeard was bordering on being a pacifist pirate. He was just a very intelligent person and realized that he could protect people with his name - because sure enough, he did care about people in general - but I never got the impression that he dreamed of a world of peace and happiness or some such.
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RE: Chapter 613:"The Mermaid Princess in Koukaku Tower" Discussion
His ultimate dream was to live in a pacified world.
Hm? I thought his dream was to have a family. Whitebeard never seemed to have any particular problem with battles and killing beyond that (as most people) he'd prefer not to have it over having it, far as I could tell, and of course that killing one of your own crewmates on his ship was unacceptable.
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RE: Chapter 613:"The Mermaid Princess in Koukaku Tower" Discussion
Hodi Jones would fit that just fine assuming that he's been a slave. I'm sure we're in for some further information and maybe flashbacks surrounding Fisher Tiger, at least. It's not that there has to be a third party, per se, because if Oda fleshes him out enough Jones (and the NFP) could end up being more interesting villains instead of the Arlong pirates 2.0 that they currently look like. But, well, they do currently look like Arlong's pirates 2.0. So that's partly why a lot of people have suspicions about a third party. And Decken… well, we pretty much know his full motive and just like Hodi's it's not too interesting at face value, but it feels to me as if Decken's currently has less potential to be fleshed out to fit an arc villain more. So if not a third party, then I'm currently leaning more toward Hodi as the "big" antagonist.
Now, it isn't as if the arc villain absolutely needs to have an "interesting" motive. But it's kind of a trend with Oda to not really reveal their big plan and motives until much later, like with Enel, Moria, Crocodile, Spandam and even Arlong. So the fact that we've both been introduced to these guys but also heard them spill what seems like their entire plan and motive in the first five chapters that we've been on the island... well, it feels a bit odd. But as I said, Oda could flesh it out more later on, and I feel that Hodi has more potential in that regard.
Still it isn't as though the "theme of the arc" so far really is slavery. It's more that a lot of fans expected it to be, I think, and sure enough it will have a role to play, but I think it's too early to really decide on that as the major theme. I do think it will be - slavery and the history between humans and fishmen, though probably more of the latter, initiated at Sabaody - but let's not speak too soon.
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RE: Chapter 613:"The Mermaid Princess in Koukaku Tower" Discussion
I certainly wouldn't say that we know the extent of Decken's ability. We know what his fruit does, sure. But it's not like we know all of, say, Akainu's tricks and techniques just because we know what his power is and we've seen him use it a fair few times. We're still not sure whether Decken is actually pretty damn strong physically speaking, or whether it was mainly because of his fruit that Luffy had such immense trouble stopping that axe. We don't know how he fights in a 1v1; people think that he's a "sniper", but for all we know he could mix it up with close range combat.
Decken still has plenty left to show, and so does Hodi – and let's not forget his officers, who all have interesting and cool designs. I'm one of those people who feel that there's more to this arc than those two, but if it turns out there's not Oda certainly has plenty of stuff to work with and make them into cool antagonists with entertaining fights, if not the most interesting motives.
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RE: Chapter 613:"The Mermaid Princess in Koukaku Tower" Discussion
Speaking of Caribou, while he is an idiot, we shouldnt be underestimating him, since a logia will always be a logia
I certainly wouldn't say that he's an idiot. He seems surprisingly smart to me for someone who you'd think would be an overconfident moron who thinks he's invincible because he's sitting on a Logia fruit; he understood that he was outmatched on the ship and bided his time, and now he's on the loose. And yeah, the fact that he's a Logia does make him extra dangerous, because most people have no way of damaging him. We don't know if Neptune and his sons are Haki users, but generally the odds that there's going to be someone nearby who can actually hurt him are low and he's a pretty ruthless one. He'll definitely shake things up a bit during the course of this arc.
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RE: General Devil Fruit Discussion
I have never heard anyone say the elemental state covers the "real body" when it is in play
Well, it doesn't necessarily work exactly like that. It was just the wording I used to try to convey what I meant. I can try again, though… basically I think we can all agree that when a Logia user is simply struck by a normal attack, no Haki, no seastone, no Yami Yami no Mi, they don't get hurt at all. Right? The fist/sword/whatever just goes through a bunch of magma/light/lightning or shatters some ice. But when Haki is applied, we see the Logia user's body visibly getting hurt; they get bruised and bleed real blood. So in some way, I don't know how exactly, what I take from that is that Haki (or one of the other methods) hits the "real body" instead of the "element body". Don't read too much into me using those exact terms, but you see what I mean?
So it seems to me that effectively, if not necessarily technically, the elemental state "covers" the real body. Because Logias still have real organs and skin which gets bruised and blood which they bleed when they get hurt; this has been shown on multiple occasions like Rayleigh vs. Kizaru, Jozu vs. Aokiji and Whitebeard vs. Akainu. It isn't as though they bleed "light blood" or "ice blood", right?
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RE: Chapter 613:"The Mermaid Princess in Koukaku Tower" Discussion
Nah, Neptune's a good guy. He's got such a cozy feel to him and is just hilarious. I could easily see his left and right ministers being up to something sinister, though… not alone, of course, but plotting together with some other faction.
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RE: General Devil Fruit Discussion
Logia's transform into an elemental state in which they can avoid damage and separate themselves, then they can transform back into their normal human bodies.
Not exactly. I'm pretty sure that what happens, technically speaking, is that the elemental state does not contain any of their actual organs and skin and such, so when it's struck by a regular attack the element itself simply breaks apart but their actual body is not harmed at all, since it's "beneath" the elemental state. And so they can simply reform themselves as their elements again.
I think that's how it works on a technical level.
As for Blackbeard, it seems like he can to some degree return his body to a state of merely darkness/gravity seeing how he definitely doesn't have two gaping holes in his chest from Ace's spears. But he still very clearly retains the actual damage done since you can see him all bloodied up and whatnot from Whitebeard's assault even several chapters later. I'm really not sure how that works to be honest, it doesn't make much sense to me when I put it like that.
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RE: Chapter 613:"The Mermaid Princess in Koukaku Tower" Discussion
@RobbyBevard:
This arc accomplishes nothing if Luffy just beats up a bunch of misinformed Fishmen, however evil their actions may be. Decker and Hodi seem to me to be potentially the Wipers of this arc, rather than the Arlongs.
Luffy's opponent is going to be bigger in scale than anyone we've met in the arc so far, and while it CAN be a fishman, it probably shouldn't be, with so many larger issues at stake.
After all the years of buildup, and MULTIPLE false lead ins, this arc is going to be at least a year long, two years wouldn't surprise me in the least, and I fully expect a lengthy Fisher Tiger flashback near the end of it. We're only, what, 5 chapters into this one? It's still waaay too early to be speculating where this arc is going to go and who is going to end up fighting who.
To use the easy example of Skypeia, Enel wasn't even teased until they'd been on Skypeia for 7 or 8 chapters, (And two volumes of Jaya before that) and didn't even appear until they'd been there for 18 chapters. Before that it was the warring factions and people beneath him. (And then Skypiea proceeded to run for another 50 chapters after that.)
We're still in the worldbuilding segment of this arc. We haven't even seen the Fishfolk part of town or where Franky is going, or any number of other things.
Completely agreed. This sums up my thoughts on the arc so far perfectly.
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RE: Chapter 613:"The Mermaid Princess in Koukaku Tower" Discussion
Oh, sorry, I didn't read very carefully. Thought you were talking about Hyouzou. Yeah, I guess Ryuuboshi might be using another type of weapon. That hilt also looks like a typical Oda sword hilt, though… and there's that little thing on it (dunno what it's called) that looks like what is usually on sabres. So I think I'll go with him being a swordsman as well for the time being.
Pictures of the hilts:
http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/609/15
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RE: Chapter 613:"The Mermaid Princess in Koukaku Tower" Discussion
I suppose, but the hilt looks a lot like Oda's usuals sword hilts and Luffy did call him a swordsman. I think we should assume for now that he's a swordsman.
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RE: Chapter 613:"The Mermaid Princess in Koukaku Tower" Discussion
Well yeah, he probably was in any case. But there's still the question of who the guy that he referred to as "that one man" is. Him specifically claiming to be the second strongest leaves the reader wondering who the one guy that he admits inferiority to is, whether he's really right about being the 2nd strongest or not, and Oda remembers these things (Sanji's eyebrows, anyone?).
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RE: Chapter 613:"The Mermaid Princess in Koukaku Tower" Discussion
Hachi is second strongest and Hyouzou is obviously stronger than he is.
Problem with that is that the right hand prince was also wearing a sword, and even if we didn't get to see him do anything I think it's pretty safe to say that he is also stronger than Hachi. So Hyouzou isn't necessarily the guy that Hachi was talking about. Given that he had been off the island for what, ten years, by the time he made that statement, things have likely changed since then. This 2nd strongest swordsman that Hachi knew of could be either Ryuuboshi or Hyouzou, or even someone else entirely (a member of Jimbei's crew?).