He is modelled after a famous actor, like the other admirals.
Oh I see, thanks! Out of curiosity, which actor is he modelled after?
He is modelled after a famous actor, like the other admirals.
Oh I see, thanks! Out of curiosity, which actor is he modelled after?
I haven't been following this thread, yet I see most people here convinced that the blind man is an admiral. I really can't figure out where this connection comes from; could anyone please explain how you guys came to this conclusion? Thanks!
Where is it stated that there will be a break next week? I can't find it.
- Chopper and Robin still don't have their "fifth/sixth person" chapters yet. We might get arcs centralized on them.
What do you mean by fifth/sixth person chapters?
The only duty I can see Jinbe having is the realisation of Otohime's dream. Meaning the successful request for migration at the Reverie.
This.
I don't know if most people here know something that I don't, because to me the answer regarding what Jinbe's "duties" are is pretty damn clear. It has been hinted several times during Jinbe's character development: he wants to fulfill Otohimes dream. In other words, his unfinished duty = Reverie. I believe this will unfold during the next chapter, somehow leading the SH's + Jinbe to Reverie, for an epic sub-arc (much like water 7 -> enies lobby).
I honestly don't understand why people have whined so much about FI, and this chapter.
I loved it. I honestly just think that people were expecting way too much, like Oda was going to change his style just because this arc had been hyped for so long. The crew kicked some ass, and are now celebrating - eating meat, drinking sake e.t.c., which is pretty standard for any other OP arc, and I don't think anyone here is opposed to that, since that has been "most" arcs have been with the SHs, and this was the first arc like that for a long, long time now.
At the same time, we got more revelations regarding the bigger picture; voy boy, the void century, ancient weapons… Major plot points that have been in play since the start of OP, and that we have finally gotten some (partial) answers to.
Go Oda!
Or maybe he told Usopp to duck in order to avoid his own attack, rather than Dosun's.
Sounds plausible. However I think there's something more to it than just that, since he did comment on the scent of an enemy before that. Also, I don't know if the mangastream trans is correct, but the scent is written is 'The "scent" of an enemy' (similar to how others would refer to 'The "voice" of an enemy'), perhaps further confirming the smell-"CoO" connection.
I've also just thought of another possible explanation, which could possibly explain this scenario even without CoO. I don't know if there's anyone here who reads Toriko, but for those who do; what if Chopper has developed his sense of smell to work something like Zebras "voice map", but in this case, a "smell map"? Perhaps his sense of smell is developed to the point where he can "see" (in close-to realtime) in places where his eyes cannot. This would mean that he would be able to know that Usopp had to duck, without being able to PREDICT it (like with CoO).
EDIT: PS. I am well aware of the fact that none of these have to be true, I'm just trying to get an interesting discussion going since I do think that it is a plausible theory that it could be something more than just his sense of smell involved in this case.
I don't think that Chopper possesses CoO right now, but I kinda like the notion that he maybe could add a little twist to CoO(when/if he learns it) with his nose in the same vein Enels DF enhanced his CoO.
I'm thinking something along these lines as well, that he has his own "twist" to CoO using his nose. The reason I'm not sufficed with him simply having a good sense of smell (to explain the above-mentioned scenario) is that he told Usopp to DUCK. This implies two things; 1) He knew the enemy is ATTACKING 2) He knew the correct course of action to take (duck) in order to dodge the attack. These two things cannot be explained by simply having a good sense of smell. With smell only, he could have known that an enemy is approaching Usopp, perhaps instigating him to say something like "Usopp, watch out!", but to tell him to actually DUCK means that he knew more than that.
I've posted something similar to this in the haki thread too but considering it is regarding this chapter, I thought I'd post it here too..:
Has Chopper developed some kind of CoO? I'm referring to when he was underground, and told Usopp to duck just before he popped out and KO:ed that fishman. If not for CoO, how could he have known that 1) Usopp was being attacked and 2) that Usopp should duck in order to dodge the attack while giving Chopper a clean shot to KO him? As I understood it he was underground and couldn't have "seen" this in any other way..
Am I the only one thinking Chopper has some kind of CoO? Considering the last chapter…
He is underground, yet says something like "the scent of an enemy.. Usopp, duck!". Now this could simply be a reference to his smelling sense, but then how would he know to tell usopp to DUCK? I'm thinking he has developed some kind of CoO in his training, perhaps a type of CoO which relies on his sense of smell somehow (we still don't know enough about CoO to know all the details on how it works, so this is entirely possible imo).
@Don:
I doubt that the people on Weatheria know everything about the NW.
They most likely just studied weather phenomena in the NW( for example the island Urouge was at with all the thunder they may know) and thats what Nami could have learned from them, but iam sure that the NW still has many weather related issues even the people of Weatheria still havent heard of. Actual navigation i think wasn
t something they could help her with, seeing that they travel anyways via their floating island, which makes it unnecessary to know how to sail in the NW for them.(but maybe some common things about travelling in the NW even they knew,but travelling through FI what normaly only outlaws do shouldn`t be known by scientist who sure took the road over Maryjoa).
What you say is true, however the people of Weatheria are scientists, and to me it would seem like a thing that they would like to study (ie how to navigate using a boat in the NW)… Idk I'm just hoping there's an explicit explanation on why Nami didn't learn how to navigate in the NW, as in, she doesn't even know something (seemingly basic) which seems to be obvious to everyone else on how to navigate in the NW... I just find it weird. Especially seeing as it was more or less her explicitly stated goal during her two years at Weatheria.
One thing I don't quite understand is… When Nami was in Weatheria (before her 2-year training regimen) she specifically said that she wanted to learn all about the New World (in terms of weather, navigation e.t.c.), yet, http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/614/4 it seems like she doesn't even know that a "simple log pose" won't work to get to the New World?
It seems unlikely that she wouldn't have learned that if it were true while in Weatheria… So why is she unaware of how to actually travel in the NW? Could something have changed (which Weatheria was unaware of) during these 2 years?
JonesDKing, you're wrongfully interpreting Rayleighs comment about "people not being able to awaken haki despite trying"; your interpreting it as "some people lack the genetics needed to awaken it" and in that case, yes, it would have been improbable for them all to have the genes required to awaken haki. Although this is not what Rayleigh says, nor do you have any idea who he's referring to when he says 'most'; by all definitions, the strawhats are NOT like 'most' people.
The reason people may try to awaken it but fail could be many, but it seems far-fetched to blame it on some kind of genetic advantage or a talent you're born with (this would make it hard to explain the Kuja for instance); rather it seems like it is hard for entirely different reasons, and whatever those reasons may be, it can be trained, either by proper tutoring or by being 'exceptional' in some sense, having high willpower for instance. And you said earlier that willpower does not relate to haki. I don't have any solid proof that this is the case, but there are certainly more things speaking in favor of willpower being related to haki, than against. As someone quoted: "The act of not doubting", willpower certainly does relate to not doubting. Again, the SHs are exceptional people, and already had, or by now have acquired substantial willpower and the ambition required to develop haki.
Does this mean ALL strawhats will develop haki? We don't know yet. But they certainly all have the potential to awaken it.
That would actually be a very plausible explanation for it, and it would also leave room for improvement (unless Luffy already knows how to use step 3 and just hasn't shown it yet)…
As you said, time will tell :)
You misunderstand (or rather, I didn't really explain myself well). I'm not saying that isn't what it is, but rather that it's simply the effect Haki naturally has on rubber. Because, well, it's rubber. Haki normally hardens limbs or objects or what have you, but in Luffy's case his body is made of rubber, so it reacts a little differently when he "hardens" it. I would find this, the idea that Haki interacts differently with different DF powers, more appealing than Luffy having both that and the "generic strength boost" thing. And it just makes a ton of sense for them to be one and the same for the reasons I outlined in my previous post.
I'd say that could plausibly fall under "Oda keeping it hidden at the time".
Ah ok, I see what you mean. True, that would be an interesting approach to it, perhaps that is what it is…
But there'll be one "unresolved" issue if that were true, remember when Rayleigh defeated that elephant when he was showing Luffy haki? He didn't actually touch the elephant with his hands, rather it was the invisible armor "touching" the elephant (you know, the open-palm haki move), also remember at Marineford when the admirals were protecting the execution stand with armor haki; in other words it seems like armor haki can be extended further than the reach of ones own natural body.
I just reread page 7 and saw JonesDKings post, which imo is a plausible explanation for both phenomena:
I think i know what the explanation behind the Haki blackening effect is.According to Rayligh you can do 2 main things with CoA haki.
1.create an invisible armor around your body.The Armor protects the body and can be used as weapon against others2.Harden objects.A good example is the Kuja arrows.
Normally the Hardening ability can only be used on objects not on ones body flesh but Luffy is different-he doesnt have body flesh hes made of Rubber.So he can use hardening on his own body unlike other Haki users.The hardening effect causes the blackening.
This would explain both: hardening when Luffy uses it to make his body become harder (and the blackness possibly from how it reacts with his DF as you said), while the "invisible armor" is the same type of haki, but used in a different way. We still don't have all the facts regarding haki so this would actually make a lot of sense imo.
That could be because Oda was intentionally keeping it hidden, through Jet Pistol being so fast we couldn't tell.
To me it would feel kind of redundant if Luffy had two separate ways of empowering attacks with CoA that do the same thing, attack power +5, and we can only tell when one is used and not the other. Why not have them just be the same and the black fist the sign of it so we don't constantly need to wonder if it was used or not? That's what makes sense to me anyway. Also, consider what is going on. It's "hardening" as seen when he blocked Hody's kick. That's what the "regular invisible kind" was, as well – remember Luffy's comment on the Kuja's arrows "Are those arrows made out of steel!?". Oda treats the way CoA boosts attacks as an extremely exaggerated "harder material means harder impact" concept. It just manifests this way for Luffy because he has a rubber body.
What are other people's thoughts on this way of seeing it? I kinda hope it is the case because that would make Haki nice and simple.
You're right, it might have been a way for oda to keep it hidden but then again Sentoumaru did comment on it :p
Either way the strongest reason for me to believe it is some kind of specialization is that the whole concept of Vulcanization http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulcanization (make sure you read link) fits in TOO well with Luffy being made of rubber, vulcanized rubber being black and harder et.c. for there not to be anything behind it. Idk atleast I'm hoping it is that way, I love it when mangakas use "real" science to describe stuff in their fictional universe.
EDIT: By the way, Luffy does hold out his arm (when he says Gear 2) before doing the Jet Pistol, so if there was a time for him to do hardening (the black version), wouldn't it have been there? So far from what we've seen he uses the black hardening thing while "charging" the attack so it wouldn't make sense for him to first do gear 2, then do the black armor mid-air… http://www.mangafox.com/manga/one_piece/v59/c601/12.html
Also, what's the confusion with Busoshoku Haki? Luffy uses it to harden his body like vulcanized rubber, it seems to be a specialized kind of Busoshoku. When Luffy first uses that technique with Gear 3, he calls it "Busoshoku: Koka (Hardening)". He doesn't announce it every time he uses the hardening technique but it seems like the same attack, a specialized kind of Armaments Haki that hardens his body and turns it black.
Ah, didn't think of this before. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulcanization for anyone interested, it actually makes perfect sense once you read that lol.
Also, Luffy doesn't always use the "hardening" method when using haki (so it's not like someone said just a way for oda to show when he's using haki): remember when he 1hit KO'd the Pacifista?
His arm didn't turn black then, but Sentoumaru commented "He used haki!", so obviously as Czechmate pointed out the black (vulcanization) is probably some kind of specialization, while Luffy also does know how to use the regular "invisible" kind.
The reason they are able to face 100 000 fishmen is because they are strong enough to do so-that has nothing to do with my piont.My piont was that not everybody has the talent to awaken haki,it was said so by rayleigh.
First of all,nowhere in the manga was it said that all the Kuja can use haki.It was shown that all the Kuja knew about haki and that some of the warriors could use it.Not everyone was said to be haki capable otherwise it would contradict what rayleigh said about people failing to awaken it.
My piont still stands-it would be too much of a coincidence if it so happens that Luffy had picked up crewmembers by random who all happened to be haki-capable.Why on earth would Nami,Usopp be one of the rare people in the world to awaken haki when many try and fail to do so?why would Franky even try to use it when he is a tech based fighter not some spirit user?why would Brook be capable of awakening it when haki is found only in every living creature and hes dead!
What im trying to get across here is that not all the stahats nneed haki when they could find alternative powers abilities.
For one, you're making the assumption that Rayleigh meant that it was some kind of genetical barrier or something stopping certain people from getting haki. I'm pretty sure that's not what Rayleigh meant, but that not all people are going to become determined enough, have enough willpower, to draw it out. So it isn't that Luffy just "got lucky" and picked certain people who would genetically, randomly, be able to awaken their haki; it is BECAUSE they joined his crew, that they will be able to do draw it out. See the difference?
EDIT: Besides… This is what Rayleigh says:
"Haki is a power that dwells inside everyone on earth… Sensation, fighting spirit, coercion... But most people never notice it or… They live and die without ever trying to draw it out".
So he's not actually saying that which you claim at all. The reason that most people can't use haki it would seem, is that most people never notice it or even try to draw it out. Nowhere does he say that a lot of people who do try to draw it out fail at it, in fact he's not even hinting at it. Maybe you are confusing Haki in general with what Rayleigh said about Color of the Conqueror haki?
I don't think it's necessarily that important that the entire crew become monsters of strength. Robin, Nami, and even Franky and Chopper, are probably more important to the crew for their non-fighting abilities. Sure, in each arc they'll have some token enemies to fight, but Luffy isn't going to become the Pirate King because his crew can out-fight Whitebeard's remnants or the Red-Hair Pirates thus necessitating that everyone be "significantly stronger." Instead, Luffy is probably going to become the Pirate King through a combination of being in the right place at the right time, having knowledge that other contenders lack (thank you Robin), and having more determination than anyone else. He'll certainly have to fight some key battles against very strong opponents along the way, but, in most cases, Oda has left the strength of contending crews scalable to match whatever levels the Straw Hat power level requires.
Most crews that we compare to the Strawhats have a clear Number 1 and Number 2 for Luffy and Zoro to fight and a probable Number 3 for Sanji. After that you get to skill match-ups (like a Sniper's duel between Usopp and Van Auger), and a host of nebulous characters that can be matched to whatever level the Strawhats require. If characters like Vasco Shot are so strong that they require haki to defeat, aren't they also strong enough to have their own haki to counter? If that's the case, do we need this haki spiral at all? Oda could decide that we do, and eventually give it to all the Strawhats as a symbol of their determination, but if he doesn't then the non-monsters will just continue to out-duel their opponents the same way they always have up until now–some combination of luck, technique, and raw determination.
You make a very good point. Indeed some of the crew members are important to the crew more because of things unrelated to their fighting abilities. However, the point I'm trying to bring up here is that even if Luffy Zoro and Sanji becomes monstrously strong and become capable of defeating even the strongest opponents, one of the main themes of the timeskip was that the crew should become strong enough so that they don't have to rely on Luffy all the time. They all became stronger to be able to actually support Luffy, instead of always having to be saved by him, thus becoming more reliable crewmates, and not having to rely on luck anymore.
Obviously this doesn't mean that they will all become strong fighters, but for instance, having just CoO can help tremendously in a defensive way. If Nami had CoO it wouldn't necessarily make her a super strong fighter, however it would increase her defensive capabilities by a lot. Also, it seems to me like CoO is the 'easiest' form of haki one can obtain (the skypiea girl, coby, queen of FI), and thus it doesn't seem far-fetched that even the weaker members of the SH would be able to develop this.
Basically what I'm trying to get at is that I don't think that it's just going to be Luffy, Zoro and Sanji having haki by the end of the series. As LKratos pointed out, having haki doesn't necessarily mean that you are a strong fighter, but it certainly does help a lot, even if only used defensively (CoO). I'm sure that the whole crew is either aware of haki now, or will be aware of it soon, at which point they'll most certainly will strive to develop atleast one form, if they're serious about becoming stronger for Luffys sake. I'm thinking probably more than half of the crew will know atleast one form of haki by the end of the series, but as you pointed out it's not necessary that each and every one of them knows how to use it.
Regarding the "haki-spiral" thing, I agree with you that it does defeat its own purpose if it's just haki vs haki cancelling each other out (however I do think it will be more complicated than that), but still, for continuousy, given that in the OPverse today most strong fighters use haki, they should still conform to that.
The concerns about Franky joining all over again. History repeats itself.
Imagine the kind of strength arguments you'd see if people were claiming Robin was going to join right after her (approximate) bounty was revealed.
I didn't read OP back then; did people have the same concerns as now with Jinbe? Even so, it would be different because we know more or less for a "fact" that pre-timeskip Jinbe was stronger than Luffy & Co, which does make this situation different. The question is then, if atleast the monster trio has become stronger than Jinbe in these past two years.
Ps. why is the title of this thread last TWO nakamates? I thought whoever joins now will be the last?
Edit: Just to clarify I'm not saying Jinbe isn't going to join… Just trying to discuss the whole power-balance thing :-)
The question also is, who long will OP go on after Luffy became PK… Oda could stop exactly at that point, show some "years after"-actions in one chapter, he could let it go on for several years... So far, we know that Luffy will reach his goal (C'mon, it's a manga afterall), but not if that'll be the end of OP. Oda could even finish OP with the message that Hancock is pregnant, creating OP:Z There're just too much unknown factors to say something about Luffy's lifespawn. Fact is, he shortens it by several things, but there's no way to tell how much...
When Luffy becomes PK, that would mean he found One Piece. It would also mean that they found the Rio Poneglyph. Due to several things being said in the past regarding both of these two (and how these things will CHANGE THE WORLD), I have a really hard time imagining that OP would end as soon as luffy becomes PK.
What I'm worried most about is how Jinbe joining will affect the power balance of the crew, as some of you have already pointed out. If he joins, it's obvious that even now Luffy is stronger than Jinbe; you can't have a pirate ship with a crewmate who's stronger than his captain. It doesn't happen. Also, I would like to think that in order to not upset the "monster trio" (even Oda himself has referred to Luffy Zoro and Sanji as the "strongest 3") it would mean that both Zoro and Sanji would have to be stronger than Jinbe in order to not upset this balance. This could mean that both Zoro and Sanji have also grown so much during these past 2 years, that they can both easily be considered to be stronger than Jinbe, or he won't join. I'm voting for the former alternative.
Rayleigh said many fail to awaken their Haki-some dont even try to.So it is rare to see someone succeed in awakening Haki.Like I said not every strawhat will awaken Haki.It will be the Monster Trio,Robin and maybe Chopper.
Then again, considering that the SH crew are supposed to become the crew of the pirate king, and they only consist of 10 members, it is all the more important that each individual member is VERY strong. You can't compare the SHs to for instance the WB crew; the WB crew had a lot of strong people (with divisions and whatnot), so to become as strong as them (and probably even stronger) the requirement would obviously be that each individual member is significantly stronger. In the OP world, we learn that more or less all of the strongest people (who aren't logias) seem to know how to utilize haki in some form. Also remember that there was a small GIRL in skypiea who had a ridiculously strong CoO.
These two things make me believe that most, if not all of the SHs will be able to use haki (atleast 1 form) by the end of the series. Most of them will have already begun learning atleast 1 form by now (or atleast be aware of what it is), so that it would make sense that they learn it well later in the series, or it would belittle Luffy (who supposedly is a haki prodigy, and it took him 1 ½ year being taught by Rayleigh).
Missing the point. You're saying the Pacifista's are possibly made out of the same material WB couldn't break and using the cutting argument to explain why Zoro could do it but ignoring that Luffy did, at least, bust its face with blunt force. Even if its different amounts of the same material Luffy accomplishing what WB did puts a damper on the idea.
I think that the amount of material certainly matters, a several meter-thick wall made of it is certainly going to be able to withstand significantly more punishment than 15-30cm of it (assuming that's the thickness of Kumas "bones"), so I don't think that makes WB look weak.
However…
So you think Kuma wasn't a cyborg at the first warlord meeting which was before or around the same time Waposteel came into existence? Not much timed passed between that meeting and the Drum arc so there really was no time for Wapol to develop the metal, the government to get the metal, develop parts for Kuma, and then for Kuma to be present at that meeting.
True enough, if he was a cyborg at that meeting there wouldn't have been enough time, in which case I guess he wasn't made of WSteel.
It does not mean its easier to cut than destroy with blunt force. Luffy destroyed it with blunt force and Sanji did good damage. Smart metals exist in real life and all they do is go back to their original state after being bent or stretched. Being cut is a bit different but the Pacifista still got done in by blunt attacks.
Metals harder than steel exist in real life like Titanium alloys. The Pacifistas could also be made out of Vegapunk's first attempts at creating a memory metal before discovering wapometal. How do you explain Kuma who should have had his body long before Wapo was even chased away by Teach?
A metal which can bend without breaking is obviously more resistant to blunt force attacks than it is to getting cut, this is basic physics so not going to argue this further. Luffy didn't destroy the metal, he destroyed the Pacifista (which does not equal to "he shattered every solid thing in its body with 1 punch"). Also, being more resistant to blunt force attacks does not equal being immune to it, I'd still expect Sanji to be able to break its neck.
And we have no info on when the experiments on Kumas body began, so how do you know he got that body before? He wasn't born with it, he was during the time already an ongoing "humans weapon system" project, still under development.
akagami7 beat me to it, but that just means that it returns to its original shape after you mess with it. If you bend metal, it stays bent. If you bend something made out of rubber, though, it snaps back to how it was before you touched it.
The theory doesn't mean wapometal would be EASIER to bend. It doesn't mean it's easier to cut. It only means that if you manage to stretch/bend it, it will snap back to how it was afterwards.
It would still mean that it's easier to cut than to destroy it with blunt force. The old Pacifistas already having it makes sense… Besides, if they didn't already have it, we'd have to wait for yet another explanation on what they were made of, since as Zoro pointed out, whatever they were made of was "way harder than steel".
Perhaps, but as you pointed out the WSteel is flexible, and thus would be much harder to just punch or quake through than to just cut it (combined with the fact that the thickness of the WSteel in Marineford can't even compare to the amount you'd have in one Pacifista, basically just making up the 'bones' of them).
edit: But yeah that would be interesting to see IF the Pacifistas don't already have WSteel, but then I'd be expecting an explanation on what kind of steel the original Pacifistas were made of to begin with… I still think they're already made out of it though.
But keep in mind Zoro post TS was able to cut right through that material. If as many theorize, Wapometal is what the siege wall at Marineford that Whitebeard's quake punch couldn't break was made out of, it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense for it to be the same material that the Pacifista are made of. It seems like Wapometal's primary quality is that it's flexible, rather than ultra hard (though I'm sure it is that as well). I really like Urogue's theory on how Wapol came up with the idea for it.
Then again, you can't compare the amount of Wsteel in a Pacifista with the huge,thick towering walls made of WSteel at Marineford. Also, Zoro was expecting the Pacifista to be that hard, I don't think WB knew how hard it was.
Also, if WSteel is flexible, I'd expect it to be easier to cut than to just punch/quake through, just as with Luffy (vurnerable to cutting attacks, not so much physical/blunt force ones..)
For unknown reasons, no one seems to have read what I wrote a few pages back :)
I think the Pacifistas ALREADY HAD Wapometal in them. Just check this:
http://www.mangareader.net/103-2592-7/one-piece/chapter-485.html Zoro even says "This hardness is way higher than steel's". Please do remember that the first announcement of Wapometal was in chapter 256 http://www.mangareader.net/103-2363-11/one-piece/chapter-256.html , giving Vegapunk enough time to use it in his very first Pacifistas.
I think Frankys comment saying he's realized Vegapunks dream has nothing to do with the heating system, Vegapunk probably also dreamt of creating some kind of 'transformer-like' robot, but didn't have the materials for it (at that time), but Franky, using Wapometal and Vegapunks blueprints, managed to pull it off.
It's really interesting that Oda had the whole "Wapo steel" thing planned from so many years ago.. http://www.mangareader.net/103-2363-11/one-piece/chapter-256.html a reminder, this is the chapter where it was first revealed (256)!
I don't understand why people are whining so much about NFP char development, after all isn't that the way it was in the beginning of the story? The only threats were Krieg and then Crocodile, the rest was basically fodderish just like the NFP are now, even though they got character development as well.
EDIT: Also, I don't think there will be new Pacifistas with 'transformer-like' abilities like Franky. Remember when Zoro cut a Pacifista the first time? He said it was harder than steel, in other words, the Pacifistas probably already had wapo steel in them to begin with. What Franky did was to REALIZE Vegapunks FORMER dream, of creating a transformer-like robot. It would really make Frankys achievement less of a big deal if he wasn't the first to create it. There's a possibility that there might be other robots like frankys later in the stories, but for now, I'm pretty sure Franky is the only one who has utilized the Wapo steel in such a way.
I also thought it a bit out of character for Luffy to say the things he did (about not wanting to be a hero e.t.c) at first, but then, I gave it some thought and realized that this is how he's always been. The difference is that he's never said it outright, it has just been reflected in his actions.
I like the fact that he didn't KO all of the 100,000 enemies with his CoTC, it leaves room for improvement, and we can use it in the future for comparison (if he ever gets put in a situation where he has to CotC more than 50,000 fodder again) to see how much he's grown.
Finally some confirmation regarding haki on the other mugiwaras. Robins reaction leads me to believe that she is familiar with haki, but hasn't learned it yet. Zoro/Sanji obviously know haki by now, anything else would be ridiculous, even if it wasn't more or less 'confirmed' by them commenting on Luffys CotC. Why? Consider this: It took Luffy 1 ½ years training with RAYLEIGH to learn all 3 forms of haki. If Zoro/Sanji hadn't learned haki by now, when exactly would they learn it before Luffy becomes Pirate King? Another timeskip? Because I doubt that they can learn it faster than Luffy did. This argument also leads me to believe that the SHs who aren't already familiar with haki/learned it to some extent, won't learn haki until Luffy is pirate king, as it would be really bad if any of them learned haki at a faster rate than Luffy, who had already shown disposition for it before he even learned it consciously. In other words, I'm hoping as many of the SHs as possible have learned haki by now, or are in the process of learning it. It seems like most top-tier fighters know haki, and if the captain of a crew of 10 people is ever to become Pirate King, it would be weird if only 3 of his crewmembers knew haki.
As for VDD's boat coming toward the island, I think it will be an 'Oda-moment', in other words nothing we can predict. However I liked the theory of Yowahoshi swimming out to touch the boat (and therefore stopping it), but again, I think it's impossible to predict how that will end.
Thanks to Aohige and Igosuki for clearing up the mistranslations; hopefully a revised translation of the manga will be reuploaded ASAP… Those mistranslations are extremely fatal, and what else is that those lines are very critical to the plot... Very bad job from the initial translator! Everyone will be misled now.
Hopefully they can fix the translations as soon as possible.
Regarding the chapter (with correct translations) : I guess as someone else stated that Hodi is actually much more dangerous than we just saw, his arrogance and overconfidence probably led him to underestimate Zoro greatly, which resulted in that quick defeat. But I'm sure he'll be serious now that he knows Zoro's true strength… Same goes for VDD. But I'm still unsure (even though it hasn't been stated that there are stronger people) if Hodi/VDD are going to be the main villains.
Perhaps what Nami was referring to when she said that "he thinks in dangerous ways" is that he (Hodi) would be capable of destroying fishman island just for the sake of 'winning'? I.e. destroying the bubbles to let water flood in just in order to win. This could be executed in cooperation with VDD, thus fulfilling the prophecy as well.
I didn't expect SHs to go training for 2 years and then have trouble with their opponents (in actual battle) in the first arc after time skip anyway, so this approach to 'threat incurred by enemies' would actually be new and interesting, since they are strong enough to beat them 1v1 relatively easy, unlike in previous arcs.
This is something which has been bugging me for quite a while… Regarding Kizaru in the war:
When Beckman points his gun at him, Kizaru takes his hands up, obviously meaning that he would get hurt if beckman wanted to hurt him...
And then, when Luffy & Co is escaping in the submarine, Kizaru starts spraying the water with attacks unhindered. What happened to beckman? I thought they would try to make sure that Luffy doesn't get hurt? "Don't move a muscle, Kizaru", what happened to that?
The idea that Arlong and Hachi are the same age is purely speculative (though it is a notion I agree with). You are right however, I was comparing Arlong and Jinbei in the sense that they were roughly the same age and growing up as training partner/rivals (Ash and Gary style).
I still don't think it's impossible that a very hungry 18 year old Arlong could challenge a more experienced late 30-something Jinbei in strength. That shit happens all the time in combative sports (not that-that has any bearing on the One Piece verse. Perhaps it is more akin to a 17 year old Luffy KOing Garp who is at least in his 50's with one punch.)
I thought Oda made it abundantly clear that Garp took that punch on purpose. He could easily have OHKO'ed luffy at that time if he wanted to.
@Mr.:
Maybe she's hodi's sister, or wife
or both….:ninja:
Zoro pledged that he would never lose again after he fought mihawk, although he lost to Arlong, Oz, Kuma....
All those fights weren't fair though, and he didn't challenge them with the intent of winning, rather just holding them off. Hence they weren't real duels. This fight is similar, so he may lose or he may be overwhelmed before someone saves him.
If I remember correctly, he pledged that he would never lose to another swordsman again.
Has anyone even considered that Shirley might be lying?
For instance, what if Shirley is connected to the "bad guys" in some way, and she actually predicted that Luffy will cause trouble to them in some way (not destroying the island), but makes up the story about Luffy destroying the island just to prevent it from happening. Notice that she goes out in the middle of the street and creates a real show (a lot of people gathering around her e.t.c.). Obviously that isn't proof that she's lying but it's something which should atleast be considered imo.
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I don't think so - if the bubbles recoated then on moving through into the 2nd bubble instead of going into the water it would have been re-coated.
Conversly even if they went out the same way the inner bubble would coat and the outer would just remove it again as I see it.
I like that counter-theory.
STOP IT THE NEW BOSS IS SOMEONE NEW STOP COMPARING PITURES AND THE NOSE IS DIFFERENT
on topic now
First of all I don't see in what way my post wasn't on-topic.
Second, I did say several times throughout the post that I knew that it wasn't likely that the boss is Squardo, I merely pointed at the fact that they looked very similar, and thought of a scenario that would explain him being the boss, whilst still saying that I knew it wasn't likely that he actually was.
Third, their noses are very similar.
Fourth, you don't have any more proof than I do that the boss is someone "new" (I'm not saying that it isn't, but if you're going to state something like that in all caps, it probably is a good idea to atleast have some facts to back you up).
Someone pointed out (can't remember who) that he actually looks more like Squardo than Arlong… So I looked it up. The results are scary O_O
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It looks… TOO MUCH like Squardo! Now I know that it doesn't make any sense at all for it to actually be Squardo but it is interesting to see how much they look alike... Everything from the nose shape to the jaw line is pretty much identical, even the long hair and the cheek bones. I'm starting to think it probably is Squardo.
And yeah, as so many others have already pointed out; it can't be Arlong (using Arlong-san and Boss in the same sentence -> two different people).
EDIT: I still know it doesn't make sense for him to be the boss of the new fishman pirates.. but what if he somehow thought that coming back to FI to "protect it" similarly to how Whitebeard did, was a way to redeem himself for what he did in the war?
Of course it is. I'm not saying the other SN's haven't improved; they must have improved (through battle experience etc.) but the amount of growth luffy should have done when trained by Rayleigh should simply be much greater than that.
@Vongola_Boss_XI:
Other supernovas have improved equivalent to Luffy.
That would be ridiculous. Luffy received intense training from Rayleigh - first mate on Rogers ship - for 1 ½ year. If the other supernovas had improved the same amount as luffy had that would really bother me.
Can't wait til next week
Finally I will see luffy fight a strong opponent
The fight won't happen in the next episode, when we just saw the "shadowed face" of the opponent. There has to be more build-up first I think.
Sanji was epic this chapter.. "Today.. must be the day that I die" rofl.
That's controversial, many people think that what happened to Zoro in that fight had nothing to do with haki.
I'm not arguing for either side, but what are the arguments for the "no haki" side? Considering he "felt" his sword and could slice iron…
Kudos to you.
I like the find about Genzo especially, the fact that they've been split into two sides with different ideals. Great post, keep updating as you find more :)
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Why would he decide not to? After all, they were trying to wreck/take over his restaurant, which was basically his dream… Why not protect your dream? I'm with you on this one, I just think it's weird that he decided not to do anything.
Also, how strong was he? Compared to the SH's now...
Speaking of Zeff… How strong was Zeff when he was an active pirate?
I think I remember something about him hurting luffy with his kicks, implying he had haki. Then again, that would be contradictory because if he was at a level where he could use haki, why not just wtfpwn Don Krieg and his men solo?
Something which bothers me is that if we assume that he was at least as strong as Sanji was pre time-skip, shouldn't he have been able to beat Don Krieg, even with a peg leg? He still has his left leg, and besides I'm pretty sure he could still do some damage even with his right leg...