The 3 Great Powers Of The World

Darkariel

You could say the same for the Schichibukai :getlost:

and the Marine dont work with Schichibukai :getlost:

No, I couldn't because the Shichi Bukai are employees of the W.G. even if they don't follow all the rules they still are W.G. employees

As the 4 Great Pirates don't have to respond to no one

The Marine HQ and Shcihi Bukai are on the same payroll so they kinda work together

And acording to what characters having being saying across One Piece the Marine HQ and the Shichi Bukai are the only ones capable of facing the 4 Great Pirates (mainly because they each have they're own agendas)

And that's why I say 4 Great Pirates working together are the stronger of the 3 Great Power

And since the 4 Great Pirates together are stronger it seems logical that Marine HQ and Shichi Bukai together = 4 Great Pirates (running there own private agendas) because if this wasn't the case the W.G. would probably already have taken the 4 Great Pirates by ordering the Shichi Bukai and Marine HQ to attack them together

Phenomenol

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Phenomenol

No, I couldn't because the Shichi Bukai are employees of the W.G. even if they don't follow all the rules they still are W.G. employees

As the 4 Great Pirates don't have to respond to no one

The Marine HQ and Shcihi Bukai are on the same payroll so they kinda work together

And acording to what characters having being saying across One Piece the Marine HQ and the Shichi Bukai are the only ones capable of facing the 4 Great Pirates (mainly because they each have they're own agendas)

And that's why I say 4 Great Pirates working together are the stronger of the 3 Great Power

And since the 4 Great Pirates together are stronger it seems logical that Marine HQ and Shichi Bukai together = 4 Great Pirates (running there own private agendas) because if this wasn't the case the W.G. would probably already have taken the 4 Great Pirates by ordering the Shichi Bukai and Marine HQ to attack them together

So, is that all…. or do you need to post anymore guess work?

It is stated that the three powers are ALL EQUAL in power, that means the Shichibukai, Admirals, and the Four Emperors.

Guess you don't understand how the Shichibukai and the Admirals DON'T work together, maybe you missed the part where Doflamingo was in "Holy Land" playing with government officials, maybe you missed the part where he was willing to start a WAR with SenGoku himself. Their is conflict between the Shichibukai and admirals and this was stated by Mihawk himself.

So please, rant on how the Emperors are the strongest and how the Shichibukai and admoirals work together just because their "on the same payroll" LOL! when none of this was stated.

WHITEBEARD

@WHITEBEARD:

Ok everybody seems to be on the yonkou nuts cuz they live like emperors in the new world. (or its cuz there a new overatedgroup or its cuz of Whitebeard)

now with that said lets envision if there was no shichibukai I bet there would be alot more emperors sailing around the grandline. (ID say about 11):getlost:

and the WG would not stand a chance with so many powerful pirates around that way I think the WG created the shichibukai(or made a deal with 7 pirates) so that could at least kill some pirates while they do as they please.

the point is if the schichibukai was not around then their would be more yonkou and then the wg would fall without a fighting chance.

they made the schichbukai so that noboby would win or lose it be equally :getlost:

SCHICHBUKAI CHANGING THE WORLD ONE DEAD PIRATE AT A TIME:getlost:

How many times do i have to qoute myself :sad:

Ronin

First of all the WG didn't make any Shichibukai. The shichibukai originally are pirates (they still are). But they grew stronger until they are too powerful the WG had to have a TRUTH with them. That's said the Shichibukai is regconized by the WG, they can legally do pirating if they like. The Marines won't touch them if they do their jobs. There are conditions though:

They can not attack a Kingdom under WG rules. (Remember there are many islands that doesn't have Government, or Kingdom that have but not regconized by WG)
They have the right to exterminate small fry pirates for bounty. (I don't think normal pirate can do that, considering they will be captured by marines the moment they appeared)
Shichibukai can't attack marine's ship and/or the WG officers

Ofcourse, since it is a TRUTH, it could be changed. And since Shichibukai are pirates, they don't really love the WG that much. They are pirates after all, and all pirates have their goals.

The way I see it, the One Piece world are divided into these small forces:

Small pirates (but lots of them) >><< Shichibukai and Marines
Independent Islands and/or Kingdom that doesn't join WG >><< Shichibukai + WG + Marines
The revolutionist >><< World Government
==>> All of them can be call the Fourth element, but since they are isolated and independent, they are not considered as the 4th Element. But they are still a very large and strong force.

Now Marines work for WG and is a part of it, right?
Shichibukai are pirates, (too powerful for WG to handle alone) but play by WG rules
But the Yonkou doesn't play with anybody rules, that's why they are so dangerous and considered as threat to the WG MORE THAN Shichibukai.

And so the WG let the Shichibukai take care of the Fourth element, so they are free to watch out the Yonkou (or the other way around, I don't know)
Shichibukai , World GOv >><< Fourth Element, Yonkou
That's how I see it

Phenomenol

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WHITEBEARD

@Ronin:

First of all the WG didn't make any Shichibukai. The shichibukai originally are pirates (they still are). But they grew stronger until they are too powerful the WG had to have a TRUTH with them. That's said the Shichibukai is regconized by the WG, they can legally do pirating if they like. The Marines won't touch them if they do their jobs. There are conditions though:

They can not attack a Kingdom under WG rules. (Remember there are many islands that doesn't have Government, or Kingdom that have but not regconized by WG)

They have the right to exterminate small fry pirates for bounty. (I don't think normal pirate can do that, considering they will be captured by marines the moment they appeared)

Shichibukai can't attack marine's ship and/or the WG officers

Ofcourse, since it is a TRUTH, it could be changed. And since Shichibukai are pirates, they don't really love the WG that much. They are pirates after all, and all pirates have their goals.

The way I see it, the One Piece world are divided into these small forces:

Small pirates (but lots of them) >><< Shichibukai and Marines

Independent Islands and/or Kingdom that doesn't join WG >><< Shichibukai + WG + Marines

The revolutionist >><< World Government
==>> All of them can be call the Fourth element, but since they are isolated and independent, they are not considered as the 4th Element. But they are still a very large and strong force.

Now Marines work for WG and is a part of it, right?
Shichibukai are pirates, (too powerful for WG to handle alone) but play by WG rules
But the Yonkou doesn't play with anybody rules, that's why they are so dangerous and considered as threat to the WG MORE THAN Shichibukai.

And so the WG let the Shichibukai take care of the Fourth element, so they are free to watch out the Yonkou (or the other way around, I don't know)
Shichibukai , World GOv >><< Fourth Element, Yonkou
That's how I see it

Thats why I said the WG made a deal with them :getlost:

and you know and I know they dont follow the rules they do as they please!

WHITEBEARD

@WHITEBEARD:

Why would you say something like yonkou are a real meance to the world? :wassat:

What have they done to threaten the world.:getlost:

So far we seen 1 shichibukai talk createing a new ear. (OR NEW WORLD)
and dont forget about Crocodile

SHICHIBUKAI CHANGING THE WORLD ONE DEAD PIRATE AT A TIME

WHY DO I HAVE TO CONTINUE TO QUOTE MYSELF:getlost:

Darkariel

@Phenomenol:

So, is that all…. or do you need to post anymore guess work?

It is stated that the three powers are ALL EQUAL in power, that means the Shichibukai, Admirals, and the Four Emperors.

Guess you don't understand how the Shichibukai and the Admirals DON'T work together, maybe you missed the part where Doflamingo was in "Holy Land" playing with government officials, maybe you missed the part where he was willing to start a WAR with SenGoku himself. Their is conflict between the Shichibukai and admirals and this was stated by Mihawk himself.

So please, rant on how the Emperors are the strongest and how the Shichibukai and admoirals work together just because their "on the same payroll" LOL! when none of this was stated.

I think you miss understood what I said (it's not guess work)

So to make it clear

It's not really stated that their are equal powers (the given arguments are ambigous)

Next never said the Shichi Bukai and Marine HQ work together, what I said is that their power combine is equal to the one of the 4 Great Pirates

What I did say was that they actually work for the same W.G. not that they understand or love each other

More what I was saying is that if Marine HQ = Shichi Bukai = 4 Great Pirates then the W.G. could send Marine HQ and Shichi Bukai attack the 4 Great Pirates

But they don't so I think the 4 Great Pirates are strong

By the way I'm not ranting about anything I just saying what I think

And it's stated that the Shichi Bukai work for the W.G. and so do the Marine HQ

Until Oda proves me right or wrong I stick to my opinions

So if you have anything against you rant all you want

WHITEBEARD

@Darkariel:

I think you miss understood what I said (it's not guess work)

So to make it clear

It's not really stated that their are equal powers (the given arguments are ambigous)

Next never said the Shichi Bukai and Marine HQ work together, what I said is that their power combine is equal to the one of the 4 Great Pirates

What I did say was that they actually work for the same W.G. not that they understand or love each other

More what I was saying is that if Marine HQ = Shichi Bukai = 4 Great Pirates then the W.G. could send Marine HQ and Shichi Bukai attack the 4 Great Pirates

But they don't so I think the 4 Great Pirates are strong

By the way I'm not ranting about anything I just saying what I think

And it's stated that the Shichi Bukai work for the W.G. and so do the Marine HQ

Until Oda proves me right or wrong I stick to my opinions

So if you have anything against you rant all you want

LIKE I SAID BEFORE HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO QUOTE MYSELF INFACT GO REREAD ALL MY POST :getlost:

YOU SEE THE LIGHT

Orange

@Darkariel:

I think you miss understood what I said (it's not guess work)

So to make it clear

It's not really stated that their are equal powers (the given arguments are ambigous)

Next never said the Shichi Bukai and Marine HQ work together, what I said is that their power combine is equal to the one of the 4 Great Pirates

What I did say was that they actually work for the same W.G. not that they understand or love each other

More what I was saying is that if Marine HQ = Shichi Bukai = 4 Great Pirates then the W.G. could send Marine HQ and Shichi Bukai attack the 4 Great Pirates

But they don't so I think the 4 Great Pirates are strong

By the way I'm not ranting about anything I just saying what I think

And it's stated that the Shichi Bukai work for the W.G. and so do the Marine HQ

Until Oda proves me right or wrong I stick to my opinions

So if you have anything against you rant all you want

aight, breakin it down (not to be an ass, for clarity)

1. you said that the power of the shichi bukai and the marines combined was equal to that of one of the pirates, was that a typo?

2.

What I did say was that they actually work for the same W.G. not that they understand or love each other

More what I was saying is that if Marine HQ = Shichi Bukai = 4 Great Pirates then the W.G. could send Marine HQ and Shichi Bukai attack the 4 Great Pirates

The Shichi Bakai dont work for the world govornment. In return for having their bounties removed and other unnamed benifits, they stop attacking the wg countries and spank pirates. Look how only 2 really showed up when the wg called them, does that suggest a signifigant level of command to you?

Even if the WG had the two groups working together,its not as simple as going out there and fighting them. Youre on the high seas in an area where navagation is an absolute bitch and the weather is iffy beyond belief. If you collect all your forces in one area you risk an incredible loss, nd you have no garuntee of catching the pirate. Luffy and co excaped from a buster call, but does anyone really think they equalled it in power? And while you are out chansing these pirates, the other pirate groups and pillaging since you had to drag away marines from their garrisons.

There are 3 great powers, but there are a shitload of little powers.

And i agree they arnt equal, but i think they are close enough to balance each other out some what.

If you assigned power levels shudder and gave the marines 100pts, SB 105, and the Yonkou 110 the yonkou would still be stronger in raw strength, but then all the external forces would come into play (such as politics)

To someone else earlier in this thread:
The Yonkou are no threat to the WG at the moment. A pain? Yes, they steal, probally enslave areas, and trample wg nations (drum country kinda) High level criminals. Like, the enron peoples wernt a threat to the US, but they caused probally for the govornment.

Darkariel

@Orange:

aight, breakin it down (not to be an ass, for clarity)

1. you said that the power of the shichi bukai and the marines combined was equal to that of one of the pirates, was that a typo?

2.

The Shichi Bakai dont work for the world govornment. In return for having their bounties removed and other unnamed benifits, they stop attacking the wg countries and spank pirates. Look how only 2 really showed up when the wg called them, does that suggest a signifigant level of command to you?

Even if the WG had the two groups working together,its not as simple as going out there and fighting them. Youre on the high seas in an area where navagation is an absolute bitch and the weather is iffy beyond belief. If you collect all your forces in one area you risk an incredible loss, nd you have no garuntee of catching the pirate. Luffy and co excaped from a buster call, but does anyone really think they equalled it in power? And while you are out chansing these pirates, the other pirate groups and pillaging since you had to drag away marines from their garrisons.

There are 3 great powers, but there are a shitload of little powers.

And i agree they arnt equal, but i think they are close enough to balance each other out some what.

If you assigned power levels shudder and gave the marines 100pts, SB 105, and the Yonkou 110 the yonkou would still be stronger in raw strength, but then all the external forces would come into play (such as politics)

To someone else earlier in this thread:
The Yonkou are no threat to the WG at the moment. A pain? Yes, they steal, probally enslave areas, and trample wg nations (drum country kinda) High level criminals. Like, the enron peoples wernt a threat to the US, but they caused probally for the govornment.

No matter how I try to explain you guys don't seems to understand what I try to say

I said the Shichi Bukai work for the W.G. because they do, it's stated (you can discuse if they accept orders or not) but they still are considered workers of the W.G. (because they do actually follow some of the rules)

Next Mihawk said Marine HQ and Shichi Bukai are equal in Power but didn't refer to 4 Great Pirates

So I wondered, next Garp said that only Marine HQ and Shichi Bukai are capable of handling the 4 Great Pirates so I tought if Marine HQ and Shichi Bukai are needed to handle the 4 Great Pirates then they are stronger

But I come up with 3 possibilities (remember this is a scale of power)

1 - Marine HQ = Shichi Bukai (was individuals) = 4 Great Pirates (was individuals)

2 - Marine HQ weaker then Shichi Bukai (together) = 4 Great Pirates (together)

3 - Marine HQ and Shichi Bukai = 4 Great Pirates (was individuals)

I know that nothing of this will happen because I can't see Shichi Bukai working together or 4 Great Pirates working together

Now I'm tired of having to explain myself and having the forum disconnect me before I submit my post, so no more big answers from me just small phrases

P.S. - This will be my last big post in the whole forum

Orange

okay, i think i can agree with that

and i know how ya feel on the long posts

WHITEBEARD

@WHITEBEARD:

One thing you have to keep in mind all 4 yonkou faces were shown (we know the strongest one out of the four):getlost:

As for the shichibukai we only seen 4 and got name (JINEBEI)

And last but not least the Admirals we seen 1 and heard of the other 2 (we know the strongest one out of the three)

The point is we see the strongest for the other 2 powers but the Shichibukai have yet to show there faces to the world. and we dont know the strongest out of the seven :getlost:

THE SHICHIBUKAI ARE THE STRONGEST ASK ME WHY :getlost:

Kakashizero

@WHITEBEARD:

THE SHICHIBUKAI ARE THE STRONGEST ASK ME WHY :getlost:

Ok.

…so, why are the Shichibukai the strongest, then?

I've always thought that the world powers were meant to be fairly balanced, myself. Until recent events shifted favor to the Emperors a bit, anyway.

Kuzan

@Aldrich:

As for Kuzan's theory; it is never said anywhere the balance of the world would crumble if one of the powers, whichever it is, fell. The way I understand it, the only power threatening the world's balance is the Yonkou; the other two are here to oppose it. If one of these two opposing powers was destroyed, the world government would fall.

Yeah it is never stated but to qualify as a true balance of three and not a balance of two (being one of the parts simply divided) it has to be that way, because how is it then different of a balance of 14 (emperors, shichibukai, admirals) or a balance of the thousands (of people involved)?

If you have in a scale of two trays one weight of 2 kilos on one side and two weights of 1 kilo on the other side is it a balance of three? What if you use four weights of 0.5? It is a balance of five then? You can say that yes it is but physically it is the same balance, and I say it is a balance of two, because there is only two strings you can cut to break it.

Graphically:

The balance B is a true balance of three, there are three strings you can cut to bring everything down. In the balance A there is only two, so it is a balance of two. Conclusion, in a perfect balance of three if you remove any of three parts bad things happen (bad things being pirates of any kind overpowering the wg).

And I'm not saying it is this way in one piece, I'm not sure about that, I'm just saying that the way I see it I will find it more interesting because of the balance thing.

EDIT: Dunno why I wrote WB in the pic instead of Yonkou, I meant the four emperors.

WHITEBEARD

@Kakashizero:

Ok.

…so, why are the Shichibukai the strongest, then?

I've always thought that the world powers were meant to be fairly balanced, myself. Until recent events shifted favor to the Emperors a bit, anyway.

I dont how anything shifted to the favor of the emperors:getlost:

and I dont feel like typeing an eassy like some fools:getlost:

all I have to say is Hawkeyes is stronger then shanks

Hawkeyes is shanks KRYPTONITE

and by the looks of the last chapter the soon to be Shichibukai Blackbeard
is whitebeard KRYPTONITE :getlost:

I hope you get the picture if not please prove me wrong :getlost:

AD-HD Pirate

No, Yonkou´s are more powerful than Shichibukai´s.
Shichibukai´s needs three admiral if they want to win Yonkou´s.

WHITEBEARD

@AD-HD:

No, Yonkou´s are more powerful than Shichibukai´s.
Shichibukai´s needs three admiral if they want to win Yonkou´s.

what did you not read my last post ?:getlost:

and where does it say that? :getlost:

and the Schichibukai dont need (or work with the admirals)

get off of the yonkou nuts:getlost:

and if the schichibukai didnt exist there be alot more Yonkou sailing around:getlost:

AD-HD Pirate

@WHITEBEARD:

1.and where does it say that? :getlost:

2.and the Schichibukai dont need (or work with the admirals)

3.and if the schichibukai didnt exist there be alot more Yonkou sailing around:getlost:

1: Garp says that. And if Garp says that, then Oda says that.

2: Yes they have to, if they want to beat Yonkou. Of course, there is inviduals, like mihawk. But not every Shichibukai have to be like Mihawk.

3: I don´t think so.

WHITEBEARD

@WHITEBEARD:

I dont how anything shifted to the favor of the emperors:getlost:

and I dont feel like typeing an eassy like some fools:getlost:

all I have to say is Hawkeyes is stronger then shanks

Hawkeyes is shanks KRYPTONITE

and by the looks of the last chapter the soon to be Shichibukai Blackbeard
is whitebeard KRYPTONITE :getlost:

I hope you get the picture if not please prove me wrong :getlost:

IF THE SCHIHIBUKAI HAS ONE GUY THAT IS AS STRONG AS THE YONKON

2nd STRONGEST WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU:getlost:

AD-HD Pirate

@WHITEBEARD:

IF THE SCHIHIBUKAI HAS ONE GUY THAT IS AS STRONG AS THE YONKON

2nd STRONGEST WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU:getlost:

Did you even read my post? Come down, man.

Not every Shichibukai hast to be just like Mihawk.
It is stated in One Piece that Yonkous are strongest pirates in the world.
Get it?

onemoment

You know, I realize that the manga has both said that the three world powers are equal yet also said that the Admirals and shichibukai are needed to match them. It's kind of confusing isn't it?

Well, I just think it varies–everyone in the world powers is a strong as hell guy, so I don't think it would be an easy fight for either side. Plus, there's too many variables.

Can the WG control the shichibukai? Do they work together? Are the emperors strong because of their captains or because of their crews, and if so, what does this mean when the shichibukai have no known crew?

Really, I'd just assume they're all strong guys, who for whatever reason are at a stalemate in power. Or rather, not every side is organized or motivated enough to take down the other. Look at Whitebeard and Shanks, they just party all day it seems.

Still, we shouldn't be surprised to see even fights between one member of each power, or even a total one-sided fight. Mihawk seems to be on par with Shanks or Red hair as a shichibukai, yet Crocodile seems to be powerless against such people. Meanwhile, some people have speculated Aokiji as being Emperor level. But really, I think the point is that they're all strong now, and won't attack each other until one side has the advantage.

WHITEBEARD

@AD-HD:

Did you even read my post? Come down, man.

Not every Shichibukai hast to be just like Mihawk.
It is stated in One Piece that Yonkous are strongest pirates in the world.
Get it?

IF THATS TRUE WHY IS HAWKEYES STRONGER THEN SHANKS :getlost:

and you guys act as if you see all the seven warloads of the sea we only seen 4 and heard of one JINBEI

get off the yonkou nuts:getlost:

rusashi

I think Croc could've been stronger then we thought. Its just Luffy had the "spirit" to beat him. I mean, he had full control over his powers, its just Luffy found out his weakness.

Same goes for Ao Kiji, once Luffy finds out his weakness, hes dead. (though I dont thiink the fight will happen)

I know Croc had a low bounty, but I dont think we can base it on bounty anymore.

I think we'll be able to tell how much bounty effects power when we see the Strawhats new bounty's. If someone like, Nami, or anyone gets a higher bounty then Croc, we can judge how strong these people are then (Flamingo, Kuma and Croc at least.)

WHITEBEARD

@WHITEBEARD:

I dont how anything shifted to the favor of the emperors:getlost:

and I dont feel like typeing an eassy like some fools:getlost:

all I have to say is Hawkeyes is stronger then shanks

Hawkeyes is shanks KRYPTONITE

and by the looks of the last chapter the soon to be Shichibukai Blackbeard
is whitebeard KRYPTONITE :getlost:

I hope you get the picture if not please prove me wrong :getlost:

and lets not forget about this little qoute form myself still no one has porved me wrong

and as soon as whitebeard goes the yonkou will be nothing :getlost:

onemoment

Hey, weren't the Admirals considered stronger then the shichibukai when they came out? I think that's it–this is a fad. Ultimately, the three forces are probably equal, it's just that the yonkou are new.

Kakashizero

@WHITEBEARD:

I dont how anything shifted to the favor of the emperors:getlost:

and I dont feel like typeing an eassy like some fools:getlost:

all I have to say is Hawkeyes is stronger then shanks

Hawkeyes is shanks KRYPTONITE

and by the looks of the last chapter the soon to be Shichibukai Blackbeard
is whitebeard KRYPTONITE :getlost:

I hope you get the picture if not please prove me wrong :getlost:

Balance was shifted in favor of the Emperors when the Shichibukai lost a member and the Navy Marines lost, or were bested at anyway, Enies Lobby.

Hawkeye is stronger than Shanks, I would assume. Or at least a better swordsman.

Blackbeard is probably going to be one of the strongest villains in the whole series, I think, yes.

WHITEBEARD

@AD-HD:

1: Garp says that. And if Garp says that, then Oda says that.

2: Yes they have to, if they want to beat Yonkou. Of course, there is inviduals, like mihawk. But not every Shichibukai have to be like Mihawk.

3: I don´t think so.

and where does it say that they are the most powerful pirates INFACT show me :getlost: and please dont tell me its your fanboyism talking (no its not your just on the yonkous nuts something strong:getlost:)

All grap said is that they live like emperors in the other half of the grand line.

(I would have been impressed if they owned that part of the grand line but they dont)

so yea even with your lies and high fanboy power level you still cant win :getlost:

WHITEBEARD

@Kakashizero:

Balance was shifted in favor of the Emperors when the Shichibukai lost a member and the Navy Marines lost, or were bested at anyway, Enies Lobby.

Hawkeye is stronger than Shanks, I would assume. Or at least a better swordsman.

Blackbeard is probably going to be one of the strongest villains in the whole series, I think, yes.

you act as if the cp9 are top dogs there not and the buster call did all the damage.

WHITEBEARD

@onemoment:

Hey, weren't the Admirals considered stronger then the shichibukai when they came out? I think that's it–this is a fad. Ultimately, the three forces are probably equal, it's just that the yonkou are new.

This is what i mean when i say get off there nuts :getlost:

Kakashizero

@WHITEBEARD:

you act as if the cp9 are top dogs there not and the buster call did all the damage.

No, let me try to explain another way.

Let's say, as a theory, that the Shichibukai, Emperors, and Navy Marines are in balance.

The Shichibukai lost a member. For a seven-member team, that's quite the blow until that spot is filled.

The Navy Marines lost Enies Lobby, which was situated between the first half of the Grand Line and the New World, and also the site of much of their judicial power in the Grand Line, and they also failed to achieve the aim of a Buster Call, and they also had the CP9 beat down, and Aokiji even admitted it was a complete and utter loss.

The damage of these events could be undone…if not for the fact that TWO of the three powers recently suffered such setbacks obviously unbalances things slightly in the favor of the third.

onemoment

@Kakashizero:

Balance was shifted in favor of the Emperors when the Shichibukai lost a member and the Navy Marines lost, or were bested at anyway, Enies Lobby.

Hawkeye is stronger than Shanks, I would assume. Or at least a better swordsman.

Blackbeard is probably going to be one of the strongest villains in the whole series, I think, yes.

No, that's not quite it. Remember how the goursei refered to the loss of Crocodile:

"We cannot permit any hole in the 3 powers. Not even a small one."

Or something like that. It sounds like in the grand scheme of things, even Crocodile isn't that much.

Also, Enies Lobby was a powerful marines base, but it wasn't part of the "3 powers."

Kakashizero

@onemoment:

No, that's not quite it. Remember how the goursei refered to the loss of Crocodile:

"We cannot permit any hole in the 3 powers. Not even a small one."

Or something like that. It sounds like in the grand scheme of things, even Crocodile isn't that much.

Also, Enies Lobby was a powerful marines base, but it wasn't part of the "3 powers."

If I recall right, the Navy Marines are one of the three powers. So wouldn't one of their most important bases, from what I understand, be a heavy loss? Or their secret service squad being beat down? Or them losing face from a, technically, failed Buster Call? A pirate crew escaping five of their Vice Admirals and the CP9?

I'd say that was a large enough setback to tip things in the favor of the Emperors even just a little, and if you also include the loss of a Shichibukai, the scales are tipped even more so.

onemoment

@Kakashizero:

If I recall right, the Navy Marines are one of the three powers. So wouldn't one of their most important bases, from what I understand, be a heavy loss? Or their secret service squad being beat down? Or them losing face from a, technically, failed Buster Call? A pirate crew escaping five of their Vice Admirals and the CP9?

I'd say that was a large enough setback to tip things in the favor of the Emperors even just a little, and if you also include the loss of a Shichibukai, the scales are tipped even more so.

No, I think this has no bearing on that. The army in Enies Lobby never leaves the base, remember? It's a big prison.

Anyway, it's the Marine Admirals that are the power, along with any marines under them (I'm assuming it would be the strongest VAsand a good amount of troops). Enies Lobby has no relation to that.

And the Buster Call is still just as powerful, despite failing. But that's not a weapon to defeat one person anyway.

Kakashizero

@onemoment:

No, I think this has no bearing on that. The army in Enies Lobby never leaves the base, remember? It's a big prison.

Anyway, it's the Marine Admirals that are the power, along with any marines under them (I'm assuming it would be the strongest VAsand a good amount of troops). Enies Lobby has no relation to that.

And the Buster Call is still just as powerful, despite failing. But that's not a weapon to defeat one person anyway.

Ok, I'll take your points one by one.

The army in Enies Lobby may never leave the base, but they were still beat down and that's a loss of power for the Navy Marines. Also, five of their Vice Admirals failed to capture one pirate crew. Even if they restrict the flow of information so no one finds out, people still will hear rumors anyway and that's a huge loss of face…especially if it's ever revealed that it's the same crew that took out Crocodile.
Yes, the Admirals are the most powerful of the Navy Marines, but as a world power even the lowest soldier counts. Same with an Emperor's crew or those a Shichibukai associates with, although least so in the case of the Shichibukai.
No, the Buster Call is meant to wipe out an entire area. So the Navy Marines used it to wipe out their own area...and also failed to kill any of those originally targetted. Yes, that was brilliantly done.

FireFistAce 0

@Kakashizero:

If I recall right, the Navy Marines are one of the three powers. So wouldn't one of their most important bases, from what I understand, be a heavy loss? Or their secret service squad being beat down? Or them losing face from a, technically, failed Buster Call? A pirate crew escaping five of their Vice Admirals and the CP9?

Ah, but CP9 is employed by the government. It's not part of the marines. If I recall correctly, the employees on Enies Lobby were a mixture of marines and WG agents. If that's correct, then that means that the destruction of Enies Lobby hinders the WG, and not directly the marines.

Quite frankly, Kuzan is using the marines as his own personal toy. He was testing the Strawhats, as well as Robin's ability to place her faith in someone. Kuzan and Garp probably had quite a few exchanges back in the day, so it's readily apparent that Kuzan sees the potential in Garp's grandson. Especially when you consider his father, Dragon. Garp and Dragon are both outrageous individuals in their own way, and so is Luffy. They've all created big headlines all over the world, Garp by cornering Roger and nearly capturing him, Dragon by causing revolts and insurgencies all over the globe.

That said, the Buster Call was not a failure. It was Kuzan's decision to end his experiment. It's extremely selfish and consquential of him to put other people's lives on the line and have their resources destroyed in order to test something, but who knows? The end result MAY justify the means.

That said, the Marines have not lost any of their power. The reputation is probably splattered, but as for the Strawhats defeating CP9, I doubt that was reported. After all, CP9 isn't supposed to exist. They're covert ops. They're "Ghosts". If One Piece was a lot more graphic, they'd probably blow themselves up after losing. It's even a crime to leave a corpse to identify for some things that covert ops do.

The Yonkou are disorganized. The Marines are not. As for the Shichibukai, they CHOOSE to work with each other, or not to. It's their choice. They have the same boss. I suppose if the boss said, "Mihawk, Jimbei, go to so and so and kill so and so, and we'll pay you both.", they would most likely work together since they have the same assignment. Otherwise, their fraternization is kept to a minimum.

Phenomenol

For the love of God do people actually read the manga instead of just looking at the pictures.

First someone SHOW me where Oda states that the four Emperors are the strongest out of the three?

Lets see what the The World Governments Highest Authority THE "GOROUSEI" say….

"If the "Three Great Powers" were to collapse, the very world would unravel at the seams."

Lets see what Garp says....

"These pirates, who rule above all others almost as an emperor does, are called the Four Emperors, or Yonko!!! It is only Marine Headquarters and the Seven Armed Seas that can withstand their might!! These "Three Great Powers" form a precarious balance that keeps the world from destruction, lest it fall."

So… I don't see the Emperors stated as being the strongest here, you know why? because it states that all the powers are equal.

Now on the subject of who is stronger. Mihawk is STRONGER than Shanks, Shanks is a swordsman and Mihawk is the "Greatest Swordsman." They did rival each other that could mean that they both are EQUAL as well.

Kakashizero

@Fire Fist:

Ah, but CP9 is employed by the government. It's not part of the marines. If I recall correctly, the employees on Enies Lobby were a mixture of marines and WG agents. If that's correct, then that means that the destruction of Enies Lobby hinders the WG, and not directly the marines.

Quite frankly, Kuzan is using the marines as his own personal toy. He was testing the Strawhats, as well as Robin's ability to place her faith in someone. Kuzan and Garp probably had quite a few exchanges back in the day, so it's readily apparent that Kuzan sees the potential in Garp's grandson. Especially when you consider his father, Dragon. Garp and Dragon are both outrageous individuals in their own way, and so is Luffy. They've all created big headlines all over the world, Garp by cornering Roger and nearly capturing him, Dragon by causing revolts and insurgencies all over the globe.

That said, the Buster Call was not a failure. It was Kuzan's decision to end his experiment. It's extremely selfish and consquential of him to put other people's lives on the line and have their resources destroyed in order to test something, but who knows? The end result MAY justify the means.

That said, the Marines have not lost any of their power. The reputation is probably splattered, but as for the Strawhats defeating CP9, I doubt that was reported. After all, CP9 isn't supposed to exist. They're covert ops. They're "Ghosts". If One Piece was a lot more graphic, they'd probably blow themselves up after losing. It's even a crime to leave a corpse to identify for some things that covert ops do.

The Yonkou are disorganized. The Marines are not. As for the Shichibukai, they CHOOSE to work with each other, or not to. It's their choice. They have the same boss. I suppose if the boss said, "Mihawk, Jimbei, go to so and so and kill so and so, and we'll pay you both.", they would most likely work together since they have the same assignment. Otherwise, their fraternization is kept to a minimum.

I was linking the World Government and Navy Marines together with the latter as an extension of the former…although I suppose, in the most literal sense, yes, the CP9 are agents of the World Government rather than the Navy Marines.

And no, information on the CP9 wouldn't reach the general public. Those in power, though, like the Emperors or the Shichibukai, will probably hear the rumors though. And aside from that, the loss at Enies Lobby is a stain on the Navy Marines' reputation, and that can matter a lot.

Yes, the Navy Marines still have the advantage in terms of organization. I was noting, however, that while the Emperors are still feared and revered, the Navy Marines and Shichibukai have had some setbacks lately.

Polygon

**Schichbukai = Younkou = 3 Asmirals

And yes, I'm aware that's it's the marine HQ and not just those 3. But you don't hear anyone saying the Youkou and crew.**

onemoment

@Kakashizero:

Yes, the Navy Marines still have the advantage in terms of organization. I was noting, however, that while the Emperors are still feared and revered, the Navy Marines and Shichibukai have had some setbacks lately.

Well, maybe, but the SHs haven't met them yet. In fact, no one can since they're in the second part of the Grandline, except for maybe a few Admirals and shichibukai.

I suppose you could say, however, that if the yonkou represent "pirates," then the SHs weakened piracy overall by defeating several strong pirates in East Blue. But that's a stretch.

FireFistAce 0

@Octogon:

**Schichbukai = Younkou = 3 Asmirals

And yes, I'm aware that's it's the marine HQ and not just those 3. But you don't hear anyone saying the Youkou and crew.**

Well, we haven't seen any of the Yonkou's crewmembers fight yet. Hell, until now, we didn't even see Shanks or Whitebeard fight.

I take that back. We did see Beckman fight, but it was cut off. He sure beat the holy living crap out of those bandits, though.

Phenomenol

@Fire Fist:

Well, we haven't seen any of the Yonkou's crewmembers fight yet. Hell, until now, we didn't even see Shanks or Whitebeard fight.

I take that back. We did see Beckman fight, but it was cut off. He sure beat the holy living crap out of those bandits, though.

And what is this post suppose to imply? I hope you aren't saying what I think you are saying….

WHITEBEARD

@WHITEBEARD:

Yea where the fun in that, BUT ITS CALLED SAVEING YOURSELF.:getlost:

At this point no one can take out whitebeard.

But Hawkeye could take shanks out and that leaves only 3 left.

And i hope you guys are not hypeing up the yonkou cuz of there crews cuz in the world of one piece number mean nothing one of the Shichibukai (Hawkeye) taught us this.

and you guys act as if the all the member of the Shichibukai are lone wofls like Hawkeye.:getlost:

JINEBEI IS A CAPTAIN OF HIS FISH MAN CREW (info episode 30 or 31:getlost:)

and hes Schichibukai and I bet he still captain of his crew, doflamingo has a crew facts the Deceased BEllamy was in his crew. so this shoud end all that bull about Schichibukai haveing no crew :getlost:

yea well as i said befor numbers/crews dont mean anything when it comes down to it

WHITEBEARD

@WHITEBEARD:

I dont how anything shifted to the favor of the emperors:getlost:

and I dont feel like typeing an eassy like some fools:getlost:

all I have to say is Hawkeyes is stronger then shanks

Hawkeyes is shanks KRYPTONITE

and by the looks of the last chapter the soon to be Shichibukai Blackbeard
is whitebeard KRYPTONITE :getlost:

I hope you get the picture if not please prove me wrong :getlost:

No one want to coment/dissagree on this well well seems Ive prove my point:getlost:

Polygon

WHITEBEARD, you're a very weird individual.

Le Lawliet

:getlost::getlost::getlost::getlost::getlost::getlost::getlost::getlost::getlost:

Just because you say it doesn't mean it's automatically true WHITEBEARD. :getlost:

Phenomenol

@Le:

:getlost::getlost::getlost::getlost::getlost::getlost::getlost::getlost::getlost:

Just because you say it doesn't mean it's automatically true WHITEBEARD. :getlost:

Wow, great argument their le Lawliet….

Pants-eater

IGNORING ALL DISCUSSION SO FAR:

Aren't the Schichibukai just really uber strong bounty hunter-like musclemen who are semi-approved by the government?

Phenomenol

@Pants-eater:

IGNORING ALL DISCUSSION SO FAR:

Aren't the Schichibukai just really uber strong bounty hunter-like musclemen who are semi-approved by the government?

Yep, something like that.