Are you serious? Characters got killed all the time, excluding the main cast, and violently I might add.
Genkai and Kuwabara stand out for me.
Are you serious? Characters got killed all the time, excluding the main cast, and violently I might add.
Genkai and Kuwabara stand out for me.
how so?
Luffy: we're leaving Merry, i care about your lives more.
Usopp: fuck that son! without merry i'd dying.
Luffy: come on Usopp, it's over.
Usopp: fuck that and you're a shit captain too.
Luffy: wtf!?!
Usopp: matter of fact, it's on, i challenge you for control of the crew…i mean ship
Usopp: whatever...
¦ Later That Night
Usopp: you don't deserve it
Luffy: wtf ever
Usopp: hah i'm beating you
Luffy: ok i've finished reminiscing, buh-bye and take the shitty ship you freak.
¦ The Next Day
Usopp: the love of my life is back
Luffy: yay Merry's back
Usopp: all aboard my ship
Luffy: we all love Merry
¦ The Morning After
Merry: we're on the sea of Adventures
Luffy: i'm drowning
Usopp: at least i'm going to die with my ship
Merry: i can't go to heaven because of some overgrown kids fetish
Usopp: i love you merryIn short, seriously, if Usopp couldn't accept leaving merry at the Water 7 docking point, after the fight with luffy, after losing all his nakama for his fetish, after being shown the broken keel by franky and even after kaku disposed of it. what makes you think he's going to now?
Well, because the ships going to sink soon. Trust me, they're getting a new ship. I can see into the future for this one. No, really.
Anyway, "fetish?" You know, this is a pirate manga, and pirates like their ships dammit. It's like a pimped out car or something, except this "car" took them all the way to the Grandline.
I mean, it's okay if we don't care about it, sure, I wouldn't have minded having the Merry stay dead (on the other hand, since we never directly saw it this, this possibilty was always open.), but a pirate crew has to love it's ship.
In short, there nothing wrong with a boat fetish. It's a healthy and natural part of every growing pirates lives.
Also, I don't like your "Usopp treats Luffy like a shit captain" theory. Sure, Usopp disagreed with this decision, but the other crewmates treat Luffy like crap themselves, every now and then–or are you forgeting the weekly beatings from Sanji and Nami? Or the fight between Luffy and Zoro? Or Nami hitting Luffy for even thinking of going to Upper yard? Where's the respect there?
In short, seriously, if Usopp couldn't accept leaving merry at the Water 7 docking point, after the fight with luffy, after losing all his nakama for his fetish, after being shown the broken keel by franky and even after kaku disposed of it. what makes you think he's going to now?
Luffy had no idea about the K-mann. He needs to know that there was a spirit in the ship who was looking out for the crew. Do you expect Usopp to just go up to Luffy and tell him about it? Usopp saw both sides of the argument (the GM as a beloved posession, and the GM as a nakama), while Luffy only saw his own side (the GM as a beloved posession).
And don't tell me that it was 'just a ship' when it clearly showed up and was communicating with the crew.
@Cap'n:
Genkai and Kuwabara stand out for me.
I can't remember anything about Kuwabara's "death" but the main characters are automatically less inclined to kick the bucket (except in the case of Genkai, but then again this is a spirit-themed show); however, at least the villans like Goki, Rando, Genbu, Byakko, Suzaku, Seiryuu, Elder Toguro, Younger Toguro, Tarukane and Sakyo all ended up dead. Thus far, minor characters in OP in flashbacks who died are Bellemere, Kuina, Hiliruk, Clover, Olvia and Saul.
I'm beginning to get fed up with Oda not killing anything in the present time.
I can handle Gally La + Giants + Franky Family surviving through the Buster Call.. as they gave the explanation of Paulie using his ropes to make a net to catch them, and the giants took on all the shots… Which isnt too unfathomable.. I imagine that the Giants would be extremely wounded ,but still alive, which they are)But now that Going Merry has shown up at Enies Lobby, even though its supposed to be pretty much useless now.. is just plain ANNOYING.
I'm getting sick of seeing people "Die" then come back, it ruins the moment.. Oda should either kill someone, or not even bother making it look like they died. Its ruining the story for me.. Before I was like "HOLY SHIT PELL SACRIFICED HIMSELF!!!" and now I'm like "oh.... Paulie + others died.... well, they didnt, I know that for sure, they'll be back later..."
I wish Oda didnt fake-kill people, it is ruining the impact of moments for them to just come back a few chapters afterwards.
Yeah, I'm with you. Fuck trimph and hope. -_-
Waaaaaaaa!!!!! I want Oda to kill people!!!!! Waaaaaaaaa!!!!!!
ooookaaayyyyy! (alfalfa style)
Does somebody (Pell for example) have to die in order for his sacrifice to mean anything?
since you refer to pell,a huge mistake by oda was made with the way he treated pell
pell sacrificed himself to save everyone,for me his courage surpassed by far luffy's since he was sure he was going to get killed to save everyone,if he didn't do that everybody would die except of croc,the kingdom would have been destroyed,the rebelion would have kept going untill croc took the throne
and how was he treated from oda? not a single statement about pell in vivi's speech,not a statue dedicated to the man who saved everyone by throwing away his life,i am almost sure vivi didn't even cry in that chapter since she definately didn't later,not to say pell was forgotten one chapter later,yeah that's a way to treat a hero
and don't tell me i am wrong
And I personally think Merry will die very soon, which is why this scene of her coming to the crew's rescue is all that much more touching. We all heard how and why Merry could never sail again, but it's like everyone forgot how the Klabautermann fixed the ship in Skypeia just to help out the crew. Why would it be impossible to believe that the Klabautermann did another quick fix job to save the crew one last time? It doesn't mean Merry's injuries wern't life threatening, it just shows Merry's intense will to save her friends overpowered her debilitating injuries. Would Luffy or any of the others do any differently? Based on what we know about Merry's injuries, I doubt Merry will survive much longer after she saves the crew, but if she does than so be it. This is Oda's story, not mine.
so klabautermann leaded merry to ennies lobby? what about aqua laguna? what about the speed that merry would have to reach EL 30 minutes later than rocketman? what about the waterfall in EL? or the gunshots near luffy and not being spotted by the marines?
So all the haters can just keep on whining about how the story they love isn't cool enough since enough people don't die. I prefer to enjoy the story for what it is; a fantastic adventure about following your dreams and protecting your friends.
haters of what?:wassat: of not killing in a manga? you say it like it's a crime. and who said that one piece would transform in something else if pell or coni's dad died? wouldn't the sacrifices actually be sacrifices if someone died? and you are the one whinning,
people get irritated when a character prefers to protect something he loves with his life and instead of a hero's treatment and a funeral that serves his heroism he reappears and everythink is ok since he lived and his acts are forgotten
also the manga would have more drama and romance and would be more realistic,people say why it would be better if coni's dad,pell and merry actually died along with foes or other characters,not conspire in order to kill oda
and please,if those things actually happened you would have complained about other people complaining about the killings,not to say that you wouldn't post a thread like "WHY DID THEY DIE?". so basically you wouldn't give a damn if they were killed just cuz oda wrote it.
stop the odaism,oda is a person,his work is his manga and he is judged by us,the readers,if we didn't cared about one piece oda would be much more poorer,since his work is a manga and we read it,we may have some arguments with the storyline,some facts may be based in principles defferent from some people's,if oda spoils the story he is gonna pay it with the fans ignorance like in dragon ball
and please respect other people's opinions,i totally disagree with why you posted that cuz you did it only to flame and judge people that don't swear loyalty to odaism
ps. since pell survived that huge explosion then doesn't he overshadows the BC? he lived after a much more destructive power than the cannons of ten warships,so why couldn't luffy or anyother SH? why robin be afraid at the first place? since much weaker people survived much bigger destrutive powers then what is the meaning of her fear?
Just because you put your life on the line and are willing to sacrifice it, does not automatically mean that you must die. Oda has the Strawhats put their lives on the line all the time for what they believe in. And nobody dies. Big friggin' deal. It doesn't make it as if they wern't willing to sacrifice their lives, they just happen to live in the end.
The story isn't about death, it's about life. Get over it. One Piece is not some dark, morbid story and never has been, but I come to this board and feel like there are so many people here now who want One Piece to be just that. I personally like the lighthearted nature of the story and have no problem with Oda telling a story where the good guys always make it through and don't need to sink to the level of the bad guys.
I really don't see how killing people off would make the story ooooh so much more emotional. The only time killing characters off makes a story more emotional is when you kill off a character that the readers have grown to love, and even then it needs to be done in a manner where the reader can respect the reason that the character had to lay his life down. I was not satisfied with Merry's death because Oda had just confirmed that Merry was a true member of the crew, and then she was killed in an uneventful, pathetic way. I knew since then that Merry would return because her death meant nothing. If Merry does die, it will be in a blaze of glory saving her friends lives, and that will be emotional.
Killing off side characters like you propose is simply gratuitous and serves no purpose except to please the whiners who say One Piece is not realistic enough that such people could possibly live. Killing Conis' dad or Pell or Franky Family members serves no purpose except to please people who want characters to die. Everytime a character has died in One Piece, the death has been an important event for character development. None of these side characters dying would serve as anything except gratuitous violence.
I stand firmly by my Waaaaaaa statement. There is way too much of it going on among the fans here.
Just because you put your life on the line and are willing to sacrifice it, does not automatically mean that you must die. Oda has the Strawhats put their lives on the line all the time for what they believe in. And nobody dies. Big friggin' deal. It doesn't make it as if they wern't willing to sacrifice their lives, they just happen to live in the end.
i was refering to koni's dad and pell that with one piece rules and the impression we were given were supposed to die but when coni's dad returned he was forgoten by oda himself and pell never took any credit at all
you learn about life through death also,not only through life,like the SH did,it would have been nicer if they said more wise words (although pell's speech and flashback were pretty amazing) and their heroism was meant to be remembered,not only major characters deserve credit,i personally feel like their efforts weren't apreciated at all,it's almost as if oda doesn't want to overshadow the people in flashbacks and mistreats other characters
The story isn't about death, it's about life. Get over it. One Piece is not some dark, morbid story and never has been, but I come to this board and feel like there are so many people here now who want One Piece to be just that. I personally like the lighthearted nature of the story and have no problem with Oda telling a story where the good guys always make it through and don't need to sink to the level of the bad guys.
totally agree with you about how one piece should be,nobody questioned one piece's attitude but you know my feelings about certain people's "resurections"
I really don't see how killing people off would make the story ooooh so much more emotional. The only time killing characters off makes a story more emotional is when you kill off a character that the readers have grown to love, and even then it needs to be done in a manner where the reader can respect the reason that the character had to lay his life down. I was not satisfied with Merry's death because Oda had just confirmed that Merry was a true member of the crew, and then she was killed in an uneventful, pathetic way. I knew since then that Merry would return because her death meant nothing. If Merry does die, it will be in a blaze of glory saving her friends lives, and that will be emotional.
merry is a ship for the most readers,chapter 428 was emotional for me too but that doesn't make merry's arrival less idiotic
Killing off side characters like you propose is simply gratuitous and serves no purpose except to please the whiners who say One Piece is not realistic enough that such people could possibly live. Killing Conis' dad or Pell or Franky Family members serves no purpose except to please people who want characters to die. Everytime a character has died in One Piece, the death has been an important event for character development. None of these side characters dying would serve as anything except gratuitous violence.
ok since those deaths don't affect the story or "resurection" events come natural answer those questions that i asked you before:
number one
"so klabautermann leaded merry to ennies lobby? what about aqua laguna? what about the speed that merry would have to reach EL 30 minutes later than rocketman? what about the waterfall in EL? or the gunshots near luffy and not being spotted by the marines?"
number two
"since pell survived that huge explosion then doesn't he overshadows the BC? he lived after a much more destructive power than the cannons of ten warships,so why couldn't luffy or anyother SH? why robin be afraid at the first place? since much weaker people survived much bigger destrutive powers then what is the meaning of her fear?"
I stand firmly by my Waaaaaaa statement. There is way too much of it going on among the fans here.
oooooookaaaaaaayyyyy! just understand that people are discussing about something they like and how it would have been better,people that "whine" are not less fans of one piece from people that accept it as it is.in life you try to change the things you like for the better and although oda decides what happens in one piece,we say what we like or don't like just to take it out of us
I've done my share of bitching in other topics about the Franky Family, Giants, Galley-La Shipwrights, Yokozuna and Going Merry surviving. It's irritating, but nonetheless One Piece is a great story.
It would be nice to see death, in real time, once in a while. You guys articulated these sentiments much better, so I won't do any bitching here. You guys made the points already! XD
BTW, if Paulie (the APForum member, not the character) is here then I would like to apologize for being an ass in the Chapter 428 spoiler. I was just frustrated with the whole "Going Merry coming back" thing. I'm over that now!
As long as Oda has some way of explaining his choices, it's fine.
I feel compelled to as this: if and when a main or secondary character dies in real-time, what would you think?
BTW, if Paulie (the APForum member, not the character) is here then I would like to apologize for being an ass in the Chapter 428 spoiler. I was just frustrated with the whole "Going Merry coming back" thing. I'm over that now!
hahahahahaha,you are one hell of a guy!!!!! you are so…so...:cwy:
i was refering to koni's dad and pell that with one piece rules and the impression we were given were supposed to die but when coni's dad returned he was forgoten by oda himself and pell never took any credit at all
As for Conis' dad, I didn't feel Oda put all to much effort into any of the Skypeia characters. I don't think he neccessarily just forgot about him, Oda just had too much of a story to tell to waste time on an unimportant character. With Pell, he made a serious sacrifice, and it is one that is remembered by all One Piece fans. I don't see how him living makes people forget about it. It's always seemed to me that it is a moment few fans forget.
merry is a ship for the most readers,chapter 428 was emotional for me too but that doesn't make merry's arrival less idiotic
Merry was just a ship for most readers until chapter 351, Klabautermann. At that point it should have been clear to all readers that Merry was also a loved member of the crew. That's why I was not the least bit surprised that Merry returned after such an uneventful death. A member of the Strawhats isn't going to die in that manner.
number one
"so klabautermann leaded merry to ennies lobby? what about aqua laguna? what about the speed that merry would have to reach EL 30 minutes later than rocketman? what about the waterfall in EL? or the gunshots near luffy and not being spotted by the marines?"
The only real danger Rocketman faced coming through Aqua Laguna was that the tracks went under the giant wave, Merry did not have to follow the tracks and could just go over the wave. Difficult yes, impossible no. Buster Call took 30 minutes to arrive after Spandam pushed the button. It could have been hours since the Strawhats had departed Water Seven, plenty of time for a determined Merry to make it there. As for the waterfall, Merry went around it, not too far a strech there. The Marines probably should have spotted the boat, but they were too concerned with the raging battle at Enies Lobby to notice a ship that is like the size of an ant compared to the ships they were on.
number two
"since pell survived that huge explosion then doesn't he overshadows the BC? he lived after a much more destructive power than the cannons of ten warships,so why couldn't luffy or anyother SH? why robin be afraid at the first place? since much weaker people survived much bigger destrutive powers then what is the meaning of her fear?"
I always got te impression that Pell was immensly strong. Maybe not Luffy or Zoro strong, but he was no weakling. I guess he jst stood a better shot at surviving the blast than the standard no name, background character. Robin was afraid of the Buster Call because it wiped out everyone on her homeland. Her home was an island of scholars. None of them seemed to be all that strong. The Strawhats, Franky Family, Galley-La, Oimo, and Karsee all have combat experience. It's not unreasonable to think that they would stand a fighting chance against the Buster Call for a short period at least.
I don't know what to say other than that Oda won't gratuitously kill people just for the sake of it. People have got to accept that about One Piece. As cool a story it is, it is still just a lighthearted kid's adventure story.
Has the idea ever been posited that Luffy is the reason characters don't die within the framework of the series? So far, when someone important to the story died-plot advancement, certainly-Luffy was not around. Whenever anyone dies in the story at this point, it's because he wasn't around or didn't care either way. While 'the hero who wins against all odds without losing a single life' is not as popular as it used to be, it still has its fans. Given that the main crew has been portrayed as superhuman, everyone surviving because the hero didn't want them to die shouldn't be outside the realm of the superhuman. After all, superhuman simply means "beyond human". Limiting it to incredible strength, unnatural durability, or impossible speed and agility is to make superhumanity something less.
@_Meh_:
Has the idea ever been posited that Luffy is the reason characters don't die within the framework of the series? So far, when someone important to the story died-plot advancement, certainly-Luffy was not around. Whenever anyone dies in the story at this point, it's because he wasn't around or didn't care either way. While 'the hero who wins against all odds without losing a single life' is not as popular as it used to be, it still has its fans. Given that the main crew has been portrayed as superhuman, everyone surviving because the hero didn't want them to die shouldn't be outside the realm of the superhuman. After all, superhuman simply means "beyond human". Limiting it to incredible strength, unnatural durability, or impossible speed and agility is to make superhumanity something less.
Yes, it has. Check my post #40.
In short Luffy's and therefore everyones luck is simply a necessary part of Luffy's strength and fate. An essential part of being Pirate King is how you are remembered and leaving a lot of corpses behind is not very admirable. The fact is it's getting worse and worse to the point of absurd, and the SHs would never make it without this ridiculously incredible luck all the time.
It’s great that Oda can tell such a story without death. I love that OP doesn’t feature death heavily (if at all), I love the fun and adventure and that I don’t have to constantly worry about the characters, once in a while though – hardly ever – it should have happened (with obvious examples like Pell and Pagaya and maybe a couple of Franky Family members).
I don’t want Merry to die for the sake of something dying, but after all the scenes of it getting broken, fixed and the comments on its condition, I don’t want it to be all fine in the end. I want all the hints to actually go somewhere, that’s why I don’t like the idea of the ship staying for the whole series. The scenes at Water 7 with the shipwrights were the final nails. And I guess by Enies Lobby I was already used to it being gone, so when it just came back, I was a bit disappointed, though I suppose it did need more closure. I’m pretty sure Merry’s going down soon though…